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SiskosGoatee
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Albania1482 Posts
June 21 2013 00:53 GMT
#21
On June 21 2013 09:24 Whiplash wrote:
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On June 20 2013 09:39 SiskosGoatee wrote:
On June 20 2013 09:00 Whiplash wrote:
Don't really agree with the fact that you are unable to forge FE on this map, if you added rocks or something to the ramp then I could see it working though.
So let me get this straight, you don't agree with a strategy which pretty much everyone agrees bores the game up, leads to little interaction between players, and isn't needed for balance isn't possible on a map?

I thought the job of mappers was to eliminate such strategies from the game or at least severely discourage them. Not change the concept of a map to suit them?


part of the strength of 1 gate FE vs zerg is your opponent never being 100% sure if you are going for that or the forge expand. This takes 100% of the guesswork away and allows zerg to abuse that type of play a lot easier, the map isn't balanced this way.
There are protoss players who gate FE every game and are known for it. I don't buy it. If you drone scout with it like you really should you also aren't going to get 3-hatch-before-pool'ed.

And still, that doesn't eliminate all the other openers I mentioned.
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 24 2013 16:55 GMT
#22
On June 21 2013 03:57 SiskosGoatee wrote:
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On June 21 2013 02:18 opisska wrote:
On June 20 2013 10:42 SiskosGoatee wrote:
There are more ways to expand than forge FE. Gateway expands have been extremely popular lately and thank god because they generate more interaction than a pylon block in the first 9 minutes of the game.


There are no "more ways", there is exactly one more way to play, which is 1-gateway expand with slight modifications depending mainly on your level of greed and courage.


Nonsense, in PvZ you can do forge expand, 1 gas gateway expand pressure, 2gas gateway expand, oracle expand, 2gate stalker pressure expand, dt expand.


Can you point me to any high-level (GSL/OSL/SPL) games with successfull DT or Oracle-based expands (that is, when the DTs or Oracles are not on the back of an FFE?). I haven't seen any, but that may be just my ignorance and in such a case, I would be willing to partially retract my comment. (I still hold that any gateway pressure is not very good for this map).
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