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Here are some interviews from your TSL Ro16 players.

Check back for more!




A1 - ToT)Mondragon(
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Congratulations!
Thanks. I did not expect to advance that easy, especially not vs Rafa, but I'm happy that I could win him 2-0. Was kinda close and I don't have any clue how I could win the Longinus game o.o

In the first ZvZ game against ToT)GOsia(, you won with 12hatch against 9pool.
I don't really have a clue how I could beat it. He probably made some severe micro mistake in that game, else I cannot explain that.

In the second game against ToT)Gosia(, you also had a build order disadvantage, but it ended up in a very close game.
I don't know why you think I had a build order disadvantage in the second game. I am kinda sure that we used same BO, just that I built 1 or 2 drones more before I started building lings?! Thus I kinda had an advantage I think and of course the game became close in the end because Rafa is just a plain amazing player who totally deserved to advance as second.

MIStrZZZ played very safe in your match with him.
I think he prepared a lot considering his play. It seemed that he was scared of a 2 hatch hydra rush follow up on Blue Storm and he intended to play very, very safe. He wanted to counter my bo which did not work out that well and in the end I won in a close match.

You have said it’s impossible to win ZvP on Longinus, but you won vs MIStrZZZ on that map.
Everyone knows that Longinus is one of the most imbalanced maps I guess and winning ZvP is even tougher than winning ZvT there. Zerg really needs to play 150% to gain the edge in a ZvP there and P must lack some things in order to give Zerg a chance to win ... and of course luck is very important.

In the Blue Storm game, MistrZZZ came out with Sair/DT/Reaver at a weird timing. Do you think the new "Bisu"-style counters you better than the +1/Legspeed style?
Don't really know, I am fine with anything.

How far will you and ToT)Gosia( make it in the TSL?
I think both Rafa and me MIGHT make it far, but it's tough to predict with such an amazing player lineup. Anything can happen and those new maps are kinda debatable as well... In order to survive those I need a lot of luck to beat anyone.

Your first opponent will be MYM.Dreiven.
Especially against Dreiven it will be very tough since he's a very good player and a very cool dude. Will be fun to watch and I hope I can rely on my luck.


A2 - ToT)GOsia(
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You started with a loss to your teammate ToT)Mondragon(. Did the fact that he's on the same team make it less harsh?
No it didn’t, even though I'm not a confident person, I love to win like everyone does. I don’t really know how could I lose 9 pool vs 12 hatch .

You then played Legionnaire. In the first game you delayed his third expansion quite a bit.
Yes, that probably won me the game.

Were Legionnaire’s Carriers scary?
Nah, not really. At that point of the game I had a huge advantage so I didn’t really care about carriers anymore. Threw away so many units as you can see, but still I had enough to come out at the top ;p.

Looking at your pre-game interview, you consider MIStrZZZ a better player.
I didn’t say that he’s better. Just said that I don’t feel confident and I didn’t really think that I could make it. I thought either Mistrz or Leg would make it instead of me.

You lost the first game to MIStrZZZ after he scouted your fast lurker build. But you came back to win 2-1.
Actually I messed up the 1st game badly. First I gave vision to mistrz instead of an admin. Then my lack of control cost me the game. In 2nd game I knew he was gonna do the same bo, so I did a perfect counter and won without any biggest problems. I had few ideas how to play the last remaining game, after all I decided to do that funny 2 hatch hydra rush.

You will be playing T.SQD)Kr in your next game.
No I don’t expect to win that match. Lets just hope I'll be lucky enough to steal the win


B1 - Retired_Draco
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You are the only qualified player without a team?
I don't feel anything special. I've been playing StarCraft for so many years and I've been in so many teams that it doesn't really make any difference for me.

You played standard against ScT-HoRRoR while he did some tricky builds.
I guess he thought that his chances to beat me with standard builds aren't as high as with all-in builds. I was expecting that so I tried to play a little bit more safe.

You seem to be involved in some drama on the TSL forums with ToT)ClouD(, and you beat him 2-0 in your group.
There's no drama. Simply ClouD has been teasing with me for a long time and finally my nerves couldn't stand it. It felt just like any other win.

You face MYM.Strelok first round of TSL. Two of the Terrans are in your part of the bracket.
Strelok has been active for a long time and I'm pretty sure that he'll be well prepared. Anyway I hope that I will be able to win this match with my experience. I'm happy as long as I don't have to play most unpredictable match up - PvP - so every terran is welcome on my way to the finals.

Though you are famously 'Retired' despite your continued strong performances, who do you practice with in order to prepare for TSL?
I named my id "Retired_Draco" not without a reason. I played two practice games since the ladder stage was finished. I don't know if I will find the time to practice against Strelok so most probably I will have only one practice partner - computer, right before the match.

Who do you think will go far in the tournament? Are there any surprises?
No predictions.

Any last words to your fans?
Do I still have some? :-P


B2 - ToT)ClouD(
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Congratulations! The cookie monster Protoss has advanced to TSL!
Surprisingly many people are supporting me. I love you all and I'll try my best to go as far as possible, you give me a lot of motivation!

Your natural choke dual gateway build against ALF was quite aggressive.
I just thought, since he knew I was confident I could win, that he would never expect me to proxy gate in the first game. His build was like the worst one he could do against zealot rush so in the end my strategy worked pretty well.

How did you practice for the Ro32 games?
I practiced with Mondragon every day. He helped me improve a lot and I'm very grateful for that. Thanks so much Dissy <3

Unfortunately, you were defeated 0-2 by Draco.
Well I just knew I had to play my best to defeat Draco. I feel like I could do better but in the end he deserved to win so I don't have regrets about it. Actually I'm quite happy I lost against him, I think I overrated my PvP a lot before that and now I have better motivation to practice and become a better player.

You faced ALF again, and this time you played longer macro games.
Well I thought about rushing him again but his games before that match were a lot longer than mine. He must have been very tired after the series against Horror so I decided a straight up play in both games would have been the best choice to fight him.

You face Canadian Protoss Excello.IefNaij first round of TSL.
He is the favourite for sure and I have great respect for him, but I believe in myself and I'll practice to beat him. If he doesn't give his best against me he will lose.

Who do you think will go far in this tournament?
I think and hope Mondragon wins the tournament. There won't be surprises since all players are well known and everyone expected them to make it so far. I'm quite disappointed Squall, Xiaozi and Infernal didn't make it and I'm very amazed by Rondo who came out of that super hard group. Really nice job by him


C1 - ret[Media]
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Congratulations!
Thank you, I'm happy I made it this far, but it's unfortunate that not our whole group could get played.

You advanced with a W.O over Castro and a win over Yayba.
Yeah, I was hoping to play TvZ, I practised it a lot and I felt ready to play Castro. I felt very insecure against Yayba but the games went better than expected, I think it wasn't Yayba's best day.

You played very impressively against Yayba. How did you practice for the Ro32?
I mainly practised TvZ with Squall, a little bit with DinOt and some other guys like Incontrol and Machine. I hadn't practised ZvP at all, except for a few games vs Infernal a week prior to the group. Those actually kinda helped.

You play TvZ ZvT ZvP, please rank your matchups in order of their strength.
That would probably be ZvT, TvZ, ------------------------ ZvP at the moment. I basically don't have any Protoss friends I'm close to so I never play the matchup, all my best friends are either T or Z.

Many Media players entered the tournament, but only two advanced to the TSL.
Getting into the TSL is no easy task and many players failed to qualify. Even getting top48 was a good accomplishment, and they simply had hard opponents, and some others bad luck that stopped them from qualifying. They are still great players.

You are playing Excello.NonY. What are your predictions for this match?
It's probably the hardest opponent for me in the whole bracket. His PvZ is really strong. However if I play well I can put up a good fight and I am going to try my best to win.

Who do you think will go far in this tournament?
Mondragon, JF, Nony and Draco will probably make the final 4. I would expect Mondragon to take this home. I guess Rondo and Kr making the top16 is somewhat surprising, but they are great players and definately deserve it.

Any final words for your fans?
Thank you all for still being my fans even if it took me a while to get my skill back


C2 - HayprO
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Congratulations!
I'm very happy that I advanced and was very nervous all the time.

There was an unfortunate incident with you and one "oblivion" replay a few months ago. Is this a chance to prove yourself?
Yeah, I'm happy I got this chance to show that I can win too.

You lost the first time you played Yayba, but you won when you played him again.
Well after I won the first game on Longinus I was so confident in my skill that I played really bad in the following two games. So it was good that I got a second chance to play him.

You struggled very hard in the games against Yayba, coming from a very difficult position after his cannon rush.
Actually I was about to gg but then I looked closely and saw that a sunk would kill the pylon and that the 2nd pylon wouldnt be able to resupply the cannons with energy so I did that. That game pretty fun too cuz he kept sending zealots to kill my 20 hp hatchery but I kept blocking them and that let me come back in the game.

You play TvZ ZvT ZvP, please rank your matchups in order of their strength.
ZvP has always been my weakest mu but since I've playing it a lot lately I think its my best. My ZvT and TvZ are equal and come in 2nd place.

You are only one of two players (Draco is other) who has no team. Who did you practice with for the Ro32 games?
Well I'm still playing with the guys I used to play with before I became clanless so the only downsides are not being able to play wtgcl or iccl, but since I'm banned from both it doesnt matter if I have a clan or not. Me and ret practice with each other but this time we couldn't so I had to practice with other players, for ZvT I played with Strelok and with Zpux for ZvP and for TvZ i played with the swe-a player Naugrim.

You are playing Russian Terran, RoX.BRAT_OK.
I dont know anything about Brat so its gonna be very hard for me, because I don't know him and can't prepare how to counter his playstyle.

Who do you think will go far in this tournament? Are there any surprises?
Strelok and Mondragon will go far, and I'm suprised to see Rondo and Kr. I was expecting Xiaozi/Notforu and A2/Squall instead.


D1 - MYM.DinOt
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Congratulations! Many fans are glad that you advanced to TSL.
I wanna thanks them for they support.

Your games against KwaK and Idra were very impressive.
They did it to this far, so they must be good players, in my games they showed greats skills.

How did you practice for the Ro32 games?
I trained with many people, 5 games approx., and with the ones who I played more like 15 games.

You went 2-0 in your group.
I didn't really know how it would go, since I didn't play Kwak ever before and Idra is training with koreans.

You are playing fuSion.Rondo in the Ro16. He is a Protoss player from Russia that many people did not expect to get this far.
If he did this far he must be a strong player, so I won't look down any player, they are all dificult. I hope I win.

Who do you think will go far in this tournament?
Strelok, Mondragon and Draco without doubt.

Any final words to your fans?
I wanna thanks the ones who helped me with training, to the TSL crew for making this perfect and to the ones who have followed me, especially Chileans who have supported me.


D2 - Idra[Media]
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Congratulations! Your play in the TvPs was quite impressive. How has the Korean practice at eStro made you better?
Mainly more confidence, I believed I could outplay them in the long run and so played more conservatively/safer early on, assuming I could earn back any disadvantage. That worked to my advantage against hannigan, but unfortunately Zerg can make their units invincible.

You played 5 games against NT.hanniGan, and his style was particularly risky in both series.
We've played multiple times in the past. He knew he wasn't going to outplay me in a long game so he took his chances with allins. Like last time, that’s to be expected in a tournament like this.

How did you practice for the Ro32 games? Did anyone in eStro know about TSL? I played a lot with tosslife[fou] on blue storm, that was mainly for courage practice but it helped for this too as he played a fairly similar style to hannigans (although executed much better).

Unfortunately, you were defeated 0-2 by MYM.DinOt.
First game I thought he was dead after I killed his 2 expos, his double gas was going to deplete soon as he took it very early. Because of this I mostly stopped tank production and switched to sk terran to have more mobility to deal with him running around trying to harass and sneak expos. Unfortunately my macro slipped and I lost an army to ultra/defiler and wasnt able to hold off his followup attack. Second game I saw he didn't have speedlings in front of my wall so I thought it was safe to move out, apparently speed finished immediately after that.

You are in quite a difficult bracket, playing MYM.White-Ra first and then MYM.Strelok or Draco second.
I’m confident vs White-Ra, we played in the ladder and split the games I think, but most of my losses were due to stupid mistakes on my part. Having Othello and Wuthering Heights in the map pool gives me a distinct advantage, as I'm sure I've practiced them more than anyone else in the tournament and they are pretty good maps for TvP.
Strelok/Draco will be difficult, I don't know how much of his old shape Draco has regained but its not hard to brush the rust off of PvT. I don't know if I've ever seen Strelok TvT, but my TvT is still kinda suspect. A lot will depend on the maps I guess.

You are one of two Americans who qualified, and one of the few Terrans.
Well winning consistently with Terran requires skill, so not a whole lot of foreigners play it and even less play it well. As for the Americans, quite a few made it to the ro48 and then lost for various reasons. Skew is mentally retarded, Artosis doesn’t know how to attack, Incontrol had a good opponent as did lzgamer. Machine got jewed. On a different day I think we could have had 6 Americans go through.

Who do you think will go far in this tournament?
I think the final four will be Iefnaij Mondragon Nony and myself, although that could change depending on who advances from C. I could imagine ret advancing from Mondragon's bracket if he gets C2. I don't really see any upsets happening, although the eurotrash will consider it an upset when me and Nony advance.

Any final words to your fans?
Thanks for your support.


E1 - MYM.White-Ra
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Congratulations!
Yes, I am happy, but I did not show my best game.

You were a favorite in your group and you advanced easily 2-0. However, both Notforu and Xiaozi did not qualify.
They lost because they thought that they will win against Rondo without difficultly.

How did you practice for the Ro32 games?
ICCup and friends, I try play in day minimum 4 hours.

You play Idra[Media] in the Ro16. He is currently practicing in Korea, and TvP is his best matchup.
It will be a very hard game for me because last time I did not play many PvT. I shall play my standard game.

Four MYM players qualified – Dinot, Dreiven, Strelok, and you – the most from any one team.
MYM is a very active team and we have many great players. We practice when we have time together.

Who do you think will go far in this tournament?
Mondragon must, but 100% hard to say.

Any final words to your fans?
Thanks all for the great encouragement since 2002! I respect all of you! Starcraft is more than just a game!!!


E2 - fuSion.Rondo
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Congratulations!
Thank you! Also thanks to all who support me, especially to my clan - fuSion team. When I won the deciding game, our whole team gathered in channel to congratulate me. Very nice! Of course I'm happy that I qualified to top16. However, I didn't expect it.

You were an underdog in your group, but surprised everyone by qualifying. Please tell us a little bit about yourself.
Okay. My name is Egor Kolchin, I live in Ural. It's quite far from capital of Russia, but it's not hampers the beating all I'm 20 years old. I'm playing Starcraft not so long time - relatively 3 years. I learn to lawyer, working at energy company, like electro music and often visit nightclubs.

You used cannons in both your series against Xiaozi and Notforu. Did you plan to cannon rush?
Nope, I wasn't planning cannon rush at all! In game against Notforu, drone prevented to make nexus and I decided to try to build canons under the mineral line. Xiaozi hasn't built pool a long time, and I've noticed that the hole between minerals can be blocked by one pylon, so I took the opportunity.

You defeated Xiaozi and Notforu to qualify.
Xiaozi and Notforu are two of the best non-korean Zerg-players. Their style is very similar - they both aren’t scared to use non-standard and risky strategies. It's respectable, because the most of current Zerg players trained sickly one strategy and always use it on any of maps.

How did you practice for the Ro32 games?
I've trained with many players little by little. But all I've prepared to Ro32 was playing ladder and watching replays of my opponents. Intensity was usual - near 10-15 games a day.

You play MYM.DinOt in the Ro16.
As far as I know Dinot is 15 years old now. Sorry if I made a mistake. Also I know that he has reached high ranks at PGTour. Very strange, is it possible to play in 12 years old such as that? :D Generally, I played with him at last seasons at on ICCup and often lost. That's why it's impossible to predict results.

You are one of two Russian players (BRAT_OK is the other) to qualify.
I would like to congratulate Brat_ok with confident move from 1st place. He also is very active now and our result is quite appropriate. Although, third had to be Notforu, but luck wasn't on his side...

Who do you think will go far in this tournament?
It's very hard to predict any results. I can only say that a Protoss will be in finals

Any final words to your fans?
We are really need support of fans! Believe in our victory and we will certainly win!


F1 - RoX.BRAT_OK
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Congratulations!
Thanks. I am glad that I have fans Thanks for everything!

You are relatively "unknown." Everyone originally thought you were Androide, Ex, or A2. You are the only Russian Terran to qualify.
Hmm Androide , EX , A2 play better me when they prepare, but I still carried the games with NonY and Tarson . I was Top 8 WCG Russia 2006, and I also won a few lesser tournaments. I am a simple Russian terran

Who did you practice with for the Ro32 games?
3D.Temujin and NT.Hannigan

You won your group 2-0.
It was not easy, but my opponents made more mistakes than I did. NonY is a good player, with such opponent it is always difficult.

You were behind in your first game against Tarson, but you came back.
Yes, it was difficult.

You face HayprO in the Ro16.
I hope will win.

Who do you think will go far in this tournament? Are there any surprises?
Anyone can win. If I shall enter in top 4, it will be a surprise.


F2 - Excello.NonY
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Congratulations!
Thank you! I'm very thankful to the fans who are cheering for me. I'll try to play excellently in the TSL to remind them why they're my fans ! I'm very happy I qualified but I am far from satisfied. It's still a long road to the finals.

You had to beat ToT)iNfeRnaL( twice to qualify. Your PvP seems very strong – who did you practice with?
I mostly practice with Koreans on ICCup.

You lost to BRAT_OK 1-2 in the winners match.
He seems like a pretty unpredictable guy. I think him and I are similar as we're both showing very strong recent results and we're coming into the TSL with a lot of momentum and confidence. But the field of TSL is so strong that I can't say for sure that he'll go far. I can imagine some very difficult matches for him in the Ro16, Ro8 and Ro4. It'll be a great chance to prove himself and instantly establish himself as a top foreigner.

You are one of the two Americans (Idra[Media] being the other) who qualified for the TSL.
I'm glad two Americans made it this far. I think we have a strong group of players who deserve representation in a league like this.

Who do you think will give exciting games in the TSL? Who do you think will go far?
I think Draco will have the most exciting games. My predictions for the semifinals are Mondragon, JF, Idra and myself.

You play ret[Media], Excello.CaStrO, or LRM)Yayba as your first opponent. What do you think of these players? Who would you want to play?
I guess I'd most like to play Yayba. Castro is a current teammate and Ret is a former teammate and we wouldn't want to have to eliminate each other.

Who do you think will go far in this tournament?
Dinot might do surprisingly well but I guess it's not much of a surprise anymore after he has shown good results throughout the qualifiers.

Any final words to your fans?
Thanks for the support!


G1 - Excello.IefNaij
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Congratulations! Despite dropping your first game, you advanced #1 in Group G.
It was good but I honestly didn't expect to beat Strelok, I've always lost versus him. I gained some confidence after beating him.

In game 3 against Temujin, you displayed your signature harass style.
Well, I just felt that harassing is a very good counter vs fast dts, so I just did what would be best.

The earliest you can expect to face another Terran is the semifinals.
I'm quite convinced that my PvT is my weakest matchup and winning Strelok was a big surprise for me. There aren't many Terrans in this tourney, so I'm quite happy.

You are facing the Cookie Monster Protoss ToT)Cloud( in your Ro16 match.
At this point of the tourney, everyone's quite strong and there will be no easy games. I think me and Cloud are quite even.

Who do you think will go far in this tournament? Are you surprised by any of the results?
I think Draco or Mondi has the most potential in making the finals. No major upsets thus far.

Any last words for your fans?
I don't even think I have any fans, but I will play my best.


G2 - MYM.Strelok
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Congratulations!
Thanks. I was sure I'll make it. But it was a bit harder then I expected. Nevertheless, I feel no emotions yet, because my aim is much higher then Top-16.

You were down 0-1 to 3D.Temujin in the deciding match.
I was fully concentrated, no fear, thoughts what would be if I loose, etc.

In the final game, Temujin chose to Dark Templar drop. When did you know you had won?
I didn't know he made so early forge and so late 3rd base, that's why I thought he was slightly ahead all the game. That's why I became sure I won only after he left. But when I saw rep, I realized I was ahead all the game.

You also played iG.Slider and Excello.IefNaij.
Games vs Slider appeared to be easier then I expected, games vs JF harder then I expected. Maybe against JF I was too overconfident in win and made some mistakes I shouldn't make.

You had three Protoss in your group.
I'd prefer to have 3 terrans or 3 zergs, but yes, when all opponents are 1 race, it's much easier... I practiced mainly with White-Ra.

As one of the sole remaining Terrans, you face Draco in the first round of TSL.
I do not want to think who wins from us, but I will practice hard to beat him.

Who do you think will go far in this tournament?
I think Mondragon and Gosia with best ZvP matchup have huge chances to go far, because of the very many Protoss users. I can name Iefnaij as a favourite in his 1/4 of grid too. But TSL brings so many surprises, that even these guys have to work to reach top-4.


H1 - T.SQD)Kr
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Congratulations on qualifying! You are a bit of an unknown player.
My name is Kristijonas Barisas and I am living in Lithuania. I’m on my way to finish the school, only 1 month left there. I’ve been playing BW for like 5 years now. Have been playing for the best team ever for 3 years or so (you already know that is T.Sqd) don’t you ?). That’s it.

You got W/O in the match against MYM.Dreiven.
I hoped for some good and fun games against Dreiven. But the fact that he didn’t showed up helped me to qualify more easily and I’m happy of that

In the first game against ToT)SquaLL(, you put up 4 more cannons quickly. Is this because Squall is known as an aggressive “crazy zerg?”
I scouted that early hydra den, that’s why I made four more cannons. And no, I didn’t knew anything about "crazy zerg," I thought he will just try to play safely.

You won the second game with solid play and constant pressure – qualification seemed quite easy.
Just did what I can! Nah, I got lucky with Dreiven not showing up. That’s why I qualified easy. Not sure how everything would have went if Dreiven had come on time.

Your first opponent in the TSL will be ToT)GOsia(.
My chances are very slim. But I will do my best and try to win this!


H2 - MYM.Dreiven
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Congratulations! Not the most ordinary barbecue you had today.
Yeah BBQ . In Poland we had holiday break and I was sitting with my family at the cottage for a few days.. Thats why I completely forgot about the TSL group stage .. If TSL admin not call me I think
I wouldn't be there to play.

After you had a default loss to T.SQD)Kr, you had to play RoX.Advokate in the loser's match.
I was prepared that I will start with loss.. I haven't been playing cuz of that BBQ and I wasn't sure if can play at my normal level.. 1st game was some kind of a warm up for me and advo suprised me with that push he played but I managed to survive though.. In the 2nd game I was sure about the loss cuz of the map where I lose 95% of my PvT

The third game you made an awesome comeback.
I always fight to the end.. I never felt I was lossing this that map and just went on playing my game. It was quite a nice game

You faced Squall in the finals. Did you expect him to do something as risky as lurkdrop in the first game?
It was really a suprise for me.. I was expecting some mutas acutally but I think I did good job defending those lurks.

Your Sair/Reaver/Dt build didn't have that much success in the beginning. Why did you decide to keep shuttle harassing even when scourges were out?
That strategy is based on shuttle harrasing, I made a big mistake loosing that sairs too early but shuttle with speed is very deadly weapon.. If u have train a bit with speed shuttles u learn to control them well + u can do some great storms there Its always better for u if zerg makes drones instead of fighting units

Did the burgers taste better combined with the smell of victory?
Thanks! I was a bit nervous about making to the top16 but it was really great feeling to achive it ! Thats why every burger tasted twice as good as normal one !!

You will be facing off Mondragon, rumoured to be the strongest foreign ZvP player. Are you confident?
I'm confident about the loss but I never give up. I'll prepare as much as I can for it ! If I win beers for mondi on next WCG will be on me
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Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
May 06 2008 00:02 GMT
#2
Dissy is modest to a fault in interviews. T_T Can't wait for the games though
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Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
May 06 2008 00:06 GMT
#3
Great interviews...thanks a lot!
Super serious.
OrderlyChaos
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1115 Posts
May 06 2008 00:07 GMT
#4
Mondragon is too modest. He's probably going to rock this thing :p

This field is really strong. I can't wait for the games!
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
May 06 2008 00:10 GMT
#5
lol Idra.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
May 06 2008 00:14 GMT
#6
DREIVEN
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IPS.ZeRo
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany1142 Posts
May 06 2008 00:15 GMT
#7
nice interviews
aka DTF-ZeRo
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
May 06 2008 00:17 GMT
#8
mondi and cloud interviews win!
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United States386 Posts
May 06 2008 00:18 GMT
#9
On May 06 2008 09:10 Chill wrote:
lol Idra.


My favorite interview by far.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
May 06 2008 00:18 GMT
#10
Thanks a lot, loved the different questions for different progamers btw.

Go USA!
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p4fn2w
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
383 Posts
May 06 2008 00:26 GMT
#11
I think I understand the language of Mondragon... just replace "luck" with "skill" and everything makes sense.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
May 06 2008 00:27 GMT
#12
I wish IdrA would try to be a little less bm in his interviews...

Cloud and Mondi are legit, and I always like to hear from NonY.

Good luck everyone!
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Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
May 06 2008 00:32 GMT
#13
nice interviews!
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Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
May 06 2008 00:33 GMT
#14
Where's the official annoucement for the maps to be used in the round 16?
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Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
May 06 2008 00:46 GMT
#15
idra amazing interview. very professional!
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United States20661 Posts
May 06 2008 00:50 GMT
#16
Some peoples' standards of 'professional' apparently differ from mine ;p

Nice interviews, though.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
May 06 2008 00:52 GMT
#17
On May 06 2008 09:46 Artosis wrote:
idra amazing interview. very professional!


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Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
May 06 2008 00:59 GMT
#18
lol loved them
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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
May 06 2008 00:59 GMT
#19
"Skew is mentally retarded, Artosis doesn’t know how to attack"

lol

And whats up with Dracos lame attitude, acting like he has no fans. GET A GRIP!
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Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States551 Posts
May 06 2008 01:04 GMT
#20
I don't really see any upsets happening, although the eurotrash will consider it an upset when me and Nony advance.


Let the flaming begin. hahaha
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Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
May 06 2008 01:08 GMT
#21
Lol, invincible units.
We make signature, then defense it.
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Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5435 Posts
May 06 2008 01:32 GMT
#22
I think Mondragon has the best shot at winning this. But good luck to all :O
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
May 06 2008 02:00 GMT
#23
Damn I hope Mondragon wins this. He is incredibly mannered despite having huge skills and running a top clan - which would make most other foreigners (read: idra) arrogant pricks, if they werent already.
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0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 06 2008 02:12 GMT
#24
I loved Idra's interview! I think it was hilarious as opposed to being intentionally arrogant (as many of you are putting it).
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
May 06 2008 02:19 GMT
#25
Any last words to your fans?
Do I still have some? :-P


Next to Idra's interview, Draco's was the best because of that line.

Though, my favorite line was "zerg can make their units invincible"
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talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
May 06 2008 02:19 GMT
#26
don't see how dinot thinks both draco and strelok can make it far...
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
May 06 2008 02:24 GMT
#27
I hope someone knocks Mondi out of this. Hes strong, but theres a shitload of potential contenders too.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2007
1133 Posts
May 06 2008 02:33 GMT
#28
fucking rofl at idra.
Do terran proud, fuck the other races
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Cbone
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada5 Posts
May 06 2008 02:50 GMT
#29
ToT players seem very modest =) especially mond
kramus
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1259 Posts
May 06 2008 02:51 GMT
#30
of course iefnaij has fans!!
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
May 06 2008 03:02 GMT
#31
Draco was being sarcastic.

IdrA had the best one liners this time around:


You are one of two Americans who qualified, and one of the few Terrans.

Well winning consistently with Terran requires skill, so not a whole lot of foreigners play it and even less play it well. As for the Americans, quite a few made it to the ro48 and then lost for various reasons. Skew is mentally retarded, Artosis doesn’t know how to attack, Incontrol had a good opponent as did lzgamer. Machine got jewed. On a different day I think we could have had 6 Americans go through.


***

lol

Blunt, but I like it. Just telling it the way it is.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
May 06 2008 03:30 GMT
#32
iefnaij I STOOD FOR U
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HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
May 06 2008 03:36 GMT
#33
Idra's lines vwere amusing, tbh. Good to see him shoving back a little at the people who flame him/trashing people out. After all, nobody else is. : p

Going to be an interesting RO16.
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tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
May 06 2008 03:45 GMT
#34
these were great interviews, somewhat reminiscent of the ones koreans give except a little less playful/personal.
Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
May 06 2008 03:45 GMT
#35
Not sure why everyone seems to have issues with Idra. I would have thought we'd all be behind him as our rep in the world of korean progamers. Lots of big names to root for like Mondi, Draco, etc and some of our very own TLers like Nony and Idra.

I play T and I'm from the US, so I think I have to cheer for Idra haha.
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nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
May 06 2008 03:47 GMT
#36
"I will have only one practice partner - computer, right before the match." - Draco
hahaha
And once again. mondi and Para being emos. I'd rather hear someone overrating themselves then underrating.
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CoL_Drake
Profile Joined March 2005
Germany455 Posts
May 06 2008 04:39 GMT
#37
<< iefnaij fan xD
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
May 06 2008 04:41 GMT
#38
Well, mondi can afford to be humble because he knows that everyone knows that all the talk about luck is just BS.
Mondragon said:
In the first ZvZ game against ToT)GOsia(, you won with 12hatch against 9pool.
I don't really have a clue how I could beat it. He probably made some severe micro mistake in that game, else I cannot explain that.

Yeah that was pretty wow. I saw at least one micro mistake that Gosia made: he wasted several early seconds when he had lings and mondragon didn't, using all of his lings to attack an egg, of all things. Complete waste of time.
On May 06 2008 13:39 CoL_Drake wrote:
<< iefnaij fan xD
Me too!
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Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
May 06 2008 04:47 GMT
#39
Wow Mondragon SO manner

Almost seems fake ^^;;
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Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
May 06 2008 05:01 GMT
#40
IefNaij and NonY - I'm your greatest fan!!!
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
May 06 2008 05:05 GMT
#41
I want BRAT_OK's interview! I hope he goes to the finals . Terran love baby.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 06 2008 05:06 GMT
#42
the interviews are good, nice to see people displaying some personality to make the matches more interesting.
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
May 06 2008 05:26 GMT
#43
Good interviews, very nice to see what people are thinking as they progress through the ladder. Thanks!
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sasal
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany74 Posts
May 06 2008 06:30 GMT
#44
I had to grin as I was reading Idras interview. When you know more about players its even more entertaining to watch games. For example when you see some nice wtf?! moments and stuff.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
May 06 2008 08:15 GMT
#45
Great job with the interviews.
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
May 06 2008 08:20 GMT
#46
nice interviews thank you
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HanN00b
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany1441 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 08:42:30
May 06 2008 08:40 GMT
#47
IDRA:
Who do you think will go far in this tournament?
I think the final four will be Iefnaij Mondragon Nony and myself, although that could change depending on who advances from C. I could imagine ret advancing from Mondragon's bracket if he gets C2. I don't really see any upsets happening, although the eurotrash will consider it an upset when me and Nony advance.


Thats half true. I epxect Nony to come far but not you idra!
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Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
May 06 2008 08:48 GMT
#48
go go idra
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Lenwe
Profile Joined March 2008
Netherlands757 Posts
May 06 2008 09:08 GMT
#49
On May 06 2008 13:39 CoL_Drake wrote:
<< iefnaij fan xD


Amen, if Ret doesn't win this I hope he does.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 12:19:53
May 06 2008 09:16 GMT
#50
Idra's interview sounds just blunt to other Terran players. Too bad it sounds whiny/arrogant to players of any other race though. Notice how he's the only one of the 16 to "predict" himself in the finals.

Nice interviews. Iefnaij fan here too, I hope he makes it to finals.
YuMMie
Profile Joined April 2008
Sweden46 Posts
May 06 2008 09:19 GMT
#51
Europe > USA

Americantrash
nom nom nom
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
May 06 2008 09:21 GMT
#52
I love his little 'eurotrash' comment.

He really shines as a grown up, mature and considerate representative for non-Korean progaming. Thumbs up.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 09:26:59
May 06 2008 09:26 GMT
#53
Yes, I prefer 'eurotrash' to most people living in this silly country we call the US of A.

For the record, I am supporting all the Tawts.
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Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
May 06 2008 09:36 GMT
#54
On May 06 2008 18:19 YuMMie wrote:
Europe > USA

Americantrash

Come on, we don´t get offended so easily, do we?
And he has a point: While a lot of americans overrate him, a lot of europeans do underrate him.
rest_less
Profile Joined January 2007
Germany142 Posts
May 06 2008 09:44 GMT
#55
<< Draco fan!
There is nothing more ridicoulus than "trying".
sephiroth85
Profile Joined January 2007
New Zealand87 Posts
May 06 2008 09:53 GMT
#56
1 thn 4 sure, if idra plays da way he did, he'll get eaten 2 mondi or other zrgs soon o later.
What is difference between ignorance and apathy?? i dont know and i dont care..
BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
May 06 2008 10:06 GMT
#57
Mondragon just chooses to retrain him and wins a lot more so less to be pissed off about. Mondragon goes for a different image and does that well. I really think people that think he is just more humble and good mannered than all other players underestimate him.
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
May 06 2008 10:20 GMT
#58
Mondi isnt humble..
He is making 50 % fun of us
and 50 % logic : If u always say u will have a hard time.. u take away the pressure.. u arent as mad when u lose ect..

If u say : this guy , that one and me will probably make it.. u have pressure..

ok some players need this.. whatever..

Idra's just a bit .. strange.. dunno..

T_T
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
May 06 2008 10:27 GMT
#59
I understand Idra hate for everyone, he was probably mistreated a lot in his childhood for his uber geek look, but well he is chosing the wrong path and now he's disrespectful towards everyone. It's hard to think bad of him when you kinda imagine that background, however his comments are an hard challenge to people nerves T_T
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HanN00b
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany1441 Posts
May 06 2008 10:31 GMT
#60
Mondragon:
Your first opponent will be MYM.Dreiven.
Especially against Dreiven it will be very tough since he's a very good player and a very cool dude. Will be fun to watch and I hope I can rely on my luck.

I really recomment this match too. Dreiven is always spectacular to watch. His macro is korea like which makes his games very cool to watch.

And he is using dark archons in pvz. I love that staff.

but I had that grid. Mondragon and Dreiven are the two players I am cheering for
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
May 06 2008 10:33 GMT
#61
On May 06 2008 13:47 Seraphim wrote:
Wow Mondragon SO manner

Almost seems fake ^^;;

it is

by eurotrash i didnt mean all europeans are trash, i was referring to the gg.net-esque europeans.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 10:35:13
May 06 2008 10:34 GMT
#62
mondragon is going to rape dreiven and we all know it.

he's proven time and time again he excells @ tournaments and he's just flawless vs protoss.
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 10:38:09
May 06 2008 10:37 GMT
#63
On May 06 2008 18:21 Twisted wrote:
I love his little 'eurotrash' comment.

He really shines as a grown up, mature and considerate representative for non-Korean progaming. Thumbs up.

well there was that one guy who was underestimating idras potential, maybe he get`s a lot of that from the european community (i personally haven`t seen it but i don`t go to gg.net so i don`t know).

either way there are a lot of europeans who support him so it was a regrettable comment

edit: oops idra posted while i was writing this - now this is a bit redundant
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True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3424 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 10:52:51
May 06 2008 10:39 GMT
#64
Mondragon's ZvP in TSL so far is *flawless*; he just doesn't make mistakes. As much as I'd love for Dreiven to come out on top, since I just adore him <3, I don't think it's possible. I'm quite sure Dreiven won't even practice for it.

Frankly, 1st round of TSL is pretty easy to predcit. Every pair looks like this: a very skilled gamer and one that is a level above him.

Mondragon > Dreiven (perfect ZvP vs Dreiven's worst mu)
Brat < Ret / Yayba / Castro (Brat's ok, but he's no superstar yet, if you know what I mean)
lefnaij > Cloud (PvP)
DinOt > Rondo (that's an exception from what I've said above)
Gosia > Kr (but only if Paranoid will practice, if he's out of shape again it's likely he'll slip up)
Nony > Ret / Yayba / Castro (Nony really impressed me, he improved a lot the past few months; a terran has to beat him)
Draco > Strelok (PvT, Strelok's TvP looked weaker than usual in the ro32)

...and unfortunately:

Idra > Ra (I don't think I ever saw Ra beating Idra, his PvT isn't his best and Idra's just better. Though, you know, it might lag a bit!)
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 10:46:44
May 06 2008 10:40 GMT
#65
On May 06 2008 19:27 iG.ClouD wrote:
I understand Idra hate for everyone, he was probably mistreated a lot in his childhood for his uber geek look, but well he is chosing the wrong path and now he's disrespectful towards everyone. It's hard to think bad of him when you kinda imagine that background, however his comments are an hard challenge to people nerves T_T

it`s entirely classless to go after someones looks on a gamer forum.

if you want to be a shallow fuck then go join www.bodybuilders.com

EDIT: this post may come off as harsh but Cloud was in the thread where naruto was underrating idra so he of all people should of understood that idra's "eurotrash" comment may have been nuanced
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
May 06 2008 10:41 GMT
#66
thats to be expected
cloud is among the trash i was referring to
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 10:56:11
May 06 2008 10:45 GMT
#67
On May 06 2008 19:40 a-game wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2008 19:27 iG.ClouD wrote:
I understand Idra hate for everyone, he was probably mistreated a lot in his childhood for his uber geek look, but well he is chosing the wrong path and now he's disrespectful towards everyone. It's hard to think bad of him when you kinda imagine that background, however his comments are an hard challenge to people nerves T_T

it`s entirely classless to go after someones looks on a gamer forum.

if you want to be a shallow fuck then go join www.bodybuilders.com

I'm not going after his look. Actually I'm very bad looking too and I never judge someone on the looking. I was just pointing out a possible reason of why Idra is such a bad hater.
And judging from his answer it seems I hit the jackpot
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
May 06 2008 10:47 GMT
#68
i added an edit sorry
you wouldnt feel that way if it was your magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon • I am merely guest #13,678!
Elric
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1327 Posts
May 06 2008 10:49 GMT
#69
Sorry for being so late in the show, but LOL @ Idra's interview. And a big thumbs up to the good mannered nature of the rest of the interviews..
sephiroth85
Profile Joined January 2007
New Zealand87 Posts
May 06 2008 11:20 GMT
#70
Ahn Nyoung Ha Se Yo Ira!
What is difference between ignorance and apathy?? i dont know and i dont care..
sasal
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany74 Posts
May 06 2008 11:28 GMT
#71
Of course in percentage americans support Idra more because he is a compatriot. Same thing would be reverse if he would have born somewhere else. But you got always some kids, haters and gloating persons everywhere when you try to achieve something. Unfortunately you cant change anything about it. Thats mankind. So I hope Idra just doesnt give them all to much attention and orientates more on the people that supports him.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 13:01:19
May 06 2008 12:34 GMT
#72
On May 06 2008 20:28 sasal wrote:
Of course in percentage americans support Idra more because he is a compatriot. Same thing would be reverse if he would have born somewhere else. But you got always some kids, haters and gloating persons everywhere when you try to achieve something. Unfortunately you cant change anything about it. Thats mankind. So I hope Idra just doesnt give them all to much attention and orientates more on the people that supports him.

I'd like you to name me one Mondragon hater. Predicting yourself into the finals has to be one of the most arrogant responses you can make, regardless of your abilities.
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
May 06 2008 12:56 GMT
#73
There are close to none ?

Its just ridicolous.. Idras behaviour is a bit childish.. i mean u literally wrote.. well u know what u did write man..
and this is so useless and out of place in an interview thats been made in a ''semi'' professional league where money is on the line..

next time when the autho asks you : anything else u want to add '' .. u will come up with stupid flames towards single persons ??


hatred outlives the hateful
sasal
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany74 Posts
May 06 2008 13:06 GMT
#74
Actually there is no cause to talk much about Mondragon since he is known for staying on the top for years and is just still playing not more not less. But if he would start something new and decide to go to Korea for sure there would be also some negative analysis and some who wouldnt support him as much as others.
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
May 06 2008 13:10 GMT
#75
no..
hatred outlives the hateful
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 13:14:29
May 06 2008 13:13 GMT
#76
On May 06 2008 22:06 sasal wrote:
Actually there is no cause to talk much about Mondragon since he is known for staying on the top for years and is just still playing not more not less. But if he would start something new and decide to go to Korea for sure there would be also some negative analysis and some who wouldnt support him as much as others.

Of course, just look at all those Draco haters, right? And don't forget the swarms of Grrr and Elky haters out there. Jesus.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
May 06 2008 13:22 GMT
#77
the question i ask who cares?
a starcraft player is a starcraft player, whats with all the love and hate lol
sasal
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany74 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 13:32:35
May 06 2008 13:31 GMT
#78
@teamsolid:
So you think this sarcastic and ironic way to talk a other one is mannered instead?
Dont exaggerate so much since I saw one youtube Mondragon diss vid. I also saw somebody criticise him as promoting himself much. A other one even called him a arrogant kid in one thread. So even if you dont give a reason it doesnt automaticly means you are loved by everyone.

I have not been so long in bw to know about all those people. Idra for sure got a more difficult personality than others. But the point is I dont feel offended by his interviews and take it to serious. But I would much more if I try to attempt something and there were gloating people who are abusive towards me in a personal way.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 13:46:56
May 06 2008 13:43 GMT
#79
On May 06 2008 22:31 sasal wrote:
@teamsolid:
So you think this sarcastic and ironic way to talk a other one is mannered instead?
Dont exaggerate so much since I saw one youtube Mondragon diss vid. I also saw somebody criticise him as promoting himself much. A other one even called him a arrogant kid in one thread. So even if you dont give a reason it doesnt automaticly means you are loved by everyone.

I have not been so long in bw to know about all those people. Idra for sure got a more difficult personality than others. But the point is I dont feel offended by his interviews and take it to serious. But I would much more if I try to attempt something and there were gloating people who are abusive towards me in a personal way.

Hey, I never claimed that I was mannered. But if I was in an interview, I would never answer with BM. I'm not offended by his interview at all, since I'm not "eurotrash", as was so kindly pointed out.

So basically, his responses aren't earning him much respect from the people reading it. I did get a nice laugh out of it though.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 13:58:19
May 06 2008 13:50 GMT
#80
On May 06 2008 19:33 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2008 13:47 Seraphim wrote:
Wow Mondragon SO manner

Almost seems fake ^^;;

it is

by eurotrash i didnt mean all europeans are trash, i was referring to the gg.net-esque europeans.


You really should have specified, IdrA.
Fully agree btw It is however very relative, because your views of people who deserve that 'title' are of course very subjective. You would gain much more if you would be a tad more mannered(actually, disregard 'good manners', simply being more professional would do), but hey, nobody's giving you advice, do what you want.

good luck to everyone, this tournament is turning up to be fucking insane
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
May 06 2008 13:52 GMT
#81
On May 06 2008 19:39 True_Spike wrote:


Idra > Ra (I don't think I ever saw Ra beating Idra, his PvT isn't his best and Idra's just better. Though, you know, it might lag a bit!)



HAHAHAH lol

I kind of agree with mostly everything you said, on another note
HaiVan
Profile Joined April 2005
Bulgaria1698 Posts
May 06 2008 14:47 GMT
#82
On May 06 2008 19:45 iG.ClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2008 19:40 a-game wrote:
On May 06 2008 19:27 iG.ClouD wrote:
I understand Idra hate for everyone, he was probably mistreated a lot in his childhood for his uber geek look, but well he is chosing the wrong path and now he's disrespectful towards everyone. It's hard to think bad of him when you kinda imagine that background, however his comments are an hard challenge to people nerves T_T

it`s entirely classless to go after someones looks on a gamer forum.

if you want to be a shallow fuck then go join www.bodybuilders.com

I'm not going after his look. Actually I'm very bad looking too and I never judge someone on the looking. I was just pointing out a possible reason of why Idra is such a bad hater.
And judging from his answer it seems I hit the jackpot


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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
May 06 2008 15:08 GMT
#83
On May 06 2008 22:50 minus_human wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2008 19:33 IdrA wrote:
On May 06 2008 13:47 Seraphim wrote:
Wow Mondragon SO manner

Almost seems fake ^^;;

it is

by eurotrash i didnt mean all europeans are trash, i was referring to the gg.net-esque europeans.


You really should have specified, IdrA.
Fully agree btw It is however very relative, because your views of people who deserve that 'title' are of course very subjective. You would gain much more if you would be a tad more mannered(actually, disregard 'good manners', simply being more professional would do), but hey, nobody's giving you advice, do what you want.

good luck to everyone, this tournament is turning up to be fucking insane

specified?
i said "eurotrash" that shouldnt offend anyone unless they believe they are trashy europeans.
if i had said "the europeans, since they are trash" then youd have a point.
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uNiGNoRe
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Germany1115 Posts
May 06 2008 15:30 GMT
#84
Best interviews so far.
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
May 06 2008 15:49 GMT
#85
haha Dreiven is cool ^^
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gentile
Profile Joined August 2007
Switzerland594 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 15:49:46
May 06 2008 15:49 GMT
#86
hoping idra will fail hard. sry to say as a terran player.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42791 Posts
May 06 2008 15:54 GMT
#87
You all took IdrAs interview way too seriously. He was obviously joking around. Lighten up.
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LorD_AreS
Profile Joined April 2007
Canada208 Posts
May 06 2008 15:55 GMT
#88
Ok I had to say this for the interview with Draco (very frustrating) ok maybe he's retired, but thinking that he has no "fans" wow, he's one of the protoss who has made l a big impact for the protoss race.
Great player I love is style, the guy just has the skill I wish him all but luck and sucess for the TSL

b(O.o)p
Profile Joined November 2004
699 Posts
May 06 2008 16:10 GMT
#89
On May 06 2008 23:47 HaiVan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2008 19:45 iG.ClouD wrote:
On May 06 2008 19:40 a-game wrote:
On May 06 2008 19:27 iG.ClouD wrote:
I understand Idra hate for everyone, he was probably mistreated a lot in his childhood for his uber geek look, but well he is chosing the wrong path and now he's disrespectful towards everyone. It's hard to think bad of him when you kinda imagine that background, however his comments are an hard challenge to people nerves T_T

it`s entirely classless to go after someones looks on a gamer forum.

if you want to be a shallow fuck then go join www.bodybuilders.com

I'm not going after his look. Actually I'm very bad looking too and I never judge someone on the looking. I was just pointing out a possible reason of why Idra is such a bad hater.
And judging from his answer it seems I hit the jackpot


WTF are you talking about? You're a sexy beast!

[image loading]


Eurotrash FTW!


GOLD!!! couldn't stop laughing!

nice interviews btw..... i'm really looking forward to see the matches!
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Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
May 06 2008 16:31 GMT
#90
On May 06 2008 21:34 teamsolid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2008 20:28 sasal wrote:
Of course in percentage americans support Idra more because he is a compatriot. Same thing would be reverse if he would have born somewhere else. But you got always some kids, haters and gloating persons everywhere when you try to achieve something. Unfortunately you cant change anything about it. Thats mankind. So I hope Idra just doesnt give them all to much attention and orientates more on the people that supports him.

I'd like you to name me one Mondragon hater. Predicting yourself into the finals has to be one of the most arrogant responses you can make, regardless of your abilities.

Plenty of people predicted they would get far. MistrZZZ predicted himself to the finals as well and plenty of people said in their interviews that they expected to get out of their groups or make it to a certain round. No one gave them flak for that.

Nothing wrong with being modest but plenty of people tell themselves that they expect win the whole thing if for nothing else than confidence. If I remember correctly Oov himself said to enter each match expecting to rape.

"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape. If you do that, you’ll at least get a win. If you decide to go to Seoul, at least you’ll get as far as Kyeon-gi province (the province Seoul is located in)." - Oov
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
May 06 2008 16:50 GMT
#91
not to mention i predicted myself in the semi finals, not the finals
(but i intend to make the finals too)
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
May 06 2008 16:51 GMT
#92
On May 07 2008 01:31 Phyre wrote:
....

"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape. If you do that, you’ll at least get a win. If you decide to go to Seoul, at least you’ll get as far as Kyeon-gi province (the province Seoul is located in)." - Oov


-/- saying stupid stuff in interviews

hatred outlives the hateful
Random()
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
May 06 2008 17:20 GMT
#93
On May 07 2008 00:08 IdrA wrote:
specified?
i said "eurotrash" that shouldnt offend anyone unless they believe they are trashy europeans.
if i had said "the europeans, since they are trash" then youd have a point.

For example, if someone says "I hate [country]-an idiots", isn't it more likely that he implies "I hate [country]-ans because they are idiots" and not "I hate those [country]-ans who are idiots"? I think so, because it's unlikely that he likes idiots from some other country better.

The same with your usage of "eurotrash", that's why people are right that you should be more careful with your wording.
tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
May 06 2008 17:38 GMT
#94
another example would be saying "i hate homosexuals" and then acting all surprised when people call you out on it. i mean, if you're not actually gay why would you be offended? so silly, really.
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 17:45:35
May 06 2008 17:45 GMT
#95
After reading the interviews, I'm a ToT)Cloud( fan. I'm not an IdrA fan any more. Cookie Monster fighting!
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LeafHouse
Profile Joined June 2007
United States185 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 17:55:08
May 06 2008 17:53 GMT
#96
I just rewatched Dreiven's TL attack... between that and his interview here he's definitely one of my new favorites.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 19:28:31
May 06 2008 19:07 GMT
#97
On May 07 2008 01:31 Phyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2008 21:34 teamsolid wrote:
On May 06 2008 20:28 sasal wrote:
Of course in percentage americans support Idra more because he is a compatriot. Same thing would be reverse if he would have born somewhere else. But you got always some kids, haters and gloating persons everywhere when you try to achieve something. Unfortunately you cant change anything about it. Thats mankind. So I hope Idra just doesnt give them all to much attention and orientates more on the people that supports him.

I'd like you to name me one Mondragon hater. Predicting yourself into the finals has to be one of the most arrogant responses you can make, regardless of your abilities.

Plenty of people predicted they would get far. MistrZZZ predicted himself to the finals as well and plenty of people said in their interviews that they expected to get out of their groups or make it to a certain round. No one gave them flak for that.

There's a world of difference between answering, "I hope I make it far" or "I think I can make it to the finals" when the question being asked was "How far do you think you will make it?", and answering "I think I will be in the finals" when being asked for predictions about who will go far in the tournament. The second question really means, "Which other players do you think will make it far"? Plus, mistrzzz isn't exactly the most respected foreigner on the scene anyways, especially after the whole map hacking fiasco.
Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 19:22:23
May 06 2008 19:17 GMT
#98
It would be easier to take Idra's interviews as jokes if there wasn't so much history and evidence of his saying similar things in all seriousness after losing games.

On May 06 2008 19:33 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2008 13:47 Seraphim wrote:
Wow Mondragon SO manner

Almost seems fake ^^;;

it is

by eurotrash i didnt mean all europeans are trash, i was referring to the gg.net-esque europeans.



comments like this especially just make me think Idra is mad that Mondragon posted those super rude comments Idra made after losing to paranoid

I can't even support him as a foreigner representative to Korea because he is so rude all the time, you saw Ali insulting his opponents but he wasn't calling them trash and saying they cheat and calling them faggots
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-06 20:24:09
May 06 2008 20:23 GMT
#99
On May 07 2008 04:17 Gandalf wrote:
It would be easier to take Idra's interviews as jokes if there wasn't so much history and evidence of his saying similar things in all seriousness after losing games.

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2008 19:33 IdrA wrote:
On May 06 2008 13:47 Seraphim wrote:
Wow Mondragon SO manner

Almost seems fake ^^;;

it is



comments like this especially just make me think Idra is mad that Mondragon posted those super rude comments Idra made after losing to paranoid

Honestly, it's hard to believe that Mondragon really believes that it's all luck, and everyone has an equal chance of advancing [except that his chances are somehow 10% (he said that in the last interview), which would imply that Mondi is a lot worse than the others]. The point is, when you're number 1, humility is the best way to toot your horn. In articles in scientific journals, the earlier an author's name is listed, the more important he is, EXCEPT that the really important people put their names last. It's saying, "I'm so renowned that I don't need to list myself as first author: everyone knows who I am anyway."

In any case, I'd rather read interviews like IdrA's than the old boring:
"Everyone's good."
"Don't know who will win."
"Tough to predict."
"If they made it to this round, they must deserve it."
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Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
May 06 2008 20:29 GMT
#100
On May 07 2008 05:23 qrs wrote:
In any case, I'd rather read interviews like IdrA's than the old boring:
"Everyone's good."
"Don't know who will win."
"Tough to predict."
"If they made it to this round, they must deserve it."


This is very much true.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
May 06 2008 20:37 GMT
#101
Interviews are complete now, all of them are up.
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tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
May 06 2008 22:03 GMT
#102
On May 07 2008 05:23 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2008 04:17 Gandalf wrote:
It would be easier to take Idra's interviews as jokes if there wasn't so much history and evidence of his saying similar things in all seriousness after losing games.

On May 06 2008 19:33 IdrA wrote:
On May 06 2008 13:47 Seraphim wrote:
Wow Mondragon SO manner

Almost seems fake ^^;;

it is



comments like this especially just make me think Idra is mad that Mondragon posted those super rude comments Idra made after losing to paranoid

Honestly, it's hard to believe that Mondragon really believes that it's all luck, and everyone has an equal chance of advancing [except that his chances are somehow 10% (he said that in the last interview), which would imply that Mondi is a lot worse than the others]. The point is, when you're number 1, humility is the best way to toot your horn. In articles in scientific journals, the earlier an author's name is listed, the more important he is, EXCEPT that the really important people put their names last. It's saying, "I'm so renowned that I don't need to list myself as first author: everyone knows who I am anyway."

as far as peer-reviewed journal articles go, it has more to do with precedence and standards than whatever you just said. it is understood that the last listed author is the primary investigator, or basically the professor or research group head that is in charge. on the other hand, the first listed author is actually the primary author, who has written the bulk of the paper or contributed the most to the work. so i guess if by "importance" you meant everything i just said, then ok.

and as far as Mondragon's overstated humility, i think one reason may be the language barrier; he genuinely wants to be modest, but does not know how to express himself in the most fashionable manner with all the accepted nuances of english writing
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
May 06 2008 22:28 GMT
#103
On May 07 2008 05:23 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2008 04:17 Gandalf wrote:
It would be easier to take Idra's interviews as jokes if there wasn't so much history and evidence of his saying similar things in all seriousness after losing games.

On May 06 2008 19:33 IdrA wrote:
On May 06 2008 13:47 Seraphim wrote:
Wow Mondragon SO manner

Almost seems fake ^^;;

it is



comments like this especially just make me think Idra is mad that Mondragon posted those super rude comments Idra made after losing to paranoid

Honestly, it's hard to believe that Mondragon really believes that it's all luck, and everyone has an equal chance of advancing [except that his chances are somehow 10% (he said that in the last interview), which would imply that Mondi is a lot worse than the others]. The point is, when you're number 1, humility is the best way to toot your horn.

Really? I thought looking down on others or claiming you're #1 is the best way to toot your horn.

On May 07 2008 05:23 qrs wrote:
In articles in scientific journals, the earlier an author's name is listed, the more important he is, EXCEPT that the really important people put their names last. It's saying, "I'm so renowned that I don't need to list myself as first author: everyone knows who I am anyway."

Actually the last author is usually the PI who just puts his name on everything that comes out of his lab. Authors are usually written in order of contribution to the research, not by importance.

On May 07 2008 05:23 qrs wrote:
In any case, I'd rather read interviews like IdrA's than the old boring:
"Everyone's good."
"Don't know who will win."
"Tough to predict."
"If they made it to this round, they must deserve it."

It's the FBH effect. When you BM, it provides a bit of fun, but (almost) everyone hates you for it after.
omnigol
Profile Joined April 2008
United States166 Posts
May 06 2008 22:33 GMT
#104
On May 06 2008 19:27 iG.ClouD wrote:
I understand Idra hate for everyone, he was probably mistreated a lot in his childhood for his uber geek look, but well he is chosing the wrong path and now he's disrespectful towards everyone. It's hard to think bad of him when you kinda imagine that background, however his comments are an hard challenge to people nerves T_T


Are you throwing out insults and trying to cover it up as if you care about idras well being with the psychology angle? More balls next time plz.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 06 2008 22:39 GMT
#105
retje fighting!! Ro8 go!
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isbunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
May 06 2008 22:39 GMT
#106
DREIVEN AND HAPYPRO TRALALALALALALLA!!!111q11
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qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
May 06 2008 22:46 GMT
#107
yeah, I didn't mean to say that Mondragon was being arrogant or BM or anything. Just that I don't think he seriously means what he says, and that when you're as dominant as he is, saying humble things is the best way to make yourself look good. No one actually takes Mondragon seriously when he says it's just luck, but this way, people talk about his humility as well. (It's the same way with Roger Federer.)

As for the scientific journals, here's a quote I just found by Googling "last author" journal, and then I'll drop it, since it was only an example:
Following informal practices in the biomedical sciences, the last author often gets as much credit as the first author, because he or she is assumed to be the driving force, both intellectually and financially, behind the research. -PLoS
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
May 06 2008 22:56 GMT
#108
On May 07 2008 07:33 omnigol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2008 19:27 iG.ClouD wrote:
I understand Idra hate for everyone, he was probably mistreated a lot in his childhood for his uber geek look, but well he is chosing the wrong path and now he's disrespectful towards everyone. It's hard to think bad of him when you kinda imagine that background, however his comments are an hard challenge to people nerves T_T


Are you throwing out insults and trying to cover it up as if you care about idras well being with the psychology angle? More balls next time plz.

No actually I was trying to find a decent reason behind his behaviour. Couldn't think of anything else seriously.
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Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
May 06 2008 22:59 GMT
#109
Haha, some nice interviews. I really liked the Dreiven interview. Dreiven fighting!
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kaisr
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada715 Posts
May 06 2008 23:24 GMT
#110
IM YOUR FAN IEFNAIJ!!
b(O.o)p
Profile Joined November 2004
699 Posts
May 06 2008 23:30 GMT
#111
On May 07 2008 07:46 qrs wrote:
yeah, I didn't mean to say that Mondragon was being arrogant or BM or anything. Just that I don't think he seriously means what he says, and that when you're as dominant as he is, saying humble things is the best way to make yourself look good. No one actually takes Mondragon seriously when he says it's just luck, but this way, people talk about his humility as well. (It's the same way with Roger Federer.)

As for the scientific journals, here's a quote I just found by Googling "last author" journal, and then I'll drop it, since it was only an example:
Show nested quote +
Following informal practices in the biomedical sciences, the last author often gets as much credit as the first author, because he or she is assumed to be the driving force, both intellectually and financially, behind the research. -PLoS


exactly.
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b(O.o)p
Profile Joined November 2004
699 Posts
May 06 2008 23:36 GMT
#112
btw, thx for the missing interviews - great job!
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Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 00:04:07
May 07 2008 00:02 GMT
#113
On May 07 2008 07:46 qrs wrote:
yeah, I didn't mean to say that Mondragon was being arrogant or BM or anything. Just that I don't think he seriously means what he says, and that when you're as dominant as he is, saying humble things is the best way to make yourself look good. No one actually takes Mondragon seriously when he says it's just luck, but this way, people talk about his humility as well. (It's the same way with Roger Federer.)



Ok, fair enough. I think he does know that he is a talented player and its not just "luck" that is enabling him to beat other top players -- but #1, I do not think hes specifically saying that just because hes hoping people will point out how modest he is/make himself look good. It has been his policy in every interview, written or spoken (he has a couple on youtube with WCG guys), to be very good mannered and I find it hard to believe its all part of a secret craving for attention. And #2, he has the ability to be blunt as well, for example saying that Gosia simply had to make a huge micro error for him to win, basically laying out the truth, but also going on to say that Gosia is very skilled and should go far in the tournament, so still very mannered.

Its also worth noting that despite it seeming obvious that the best way to show your skill and win support is to be humble and show it on the game and not in interviews, some people still insult others, predict their own victories, and give no thought to sportsmanship. So giving Mondi a bit of acknowledgement for never going to that level -- for whatever reason, or however good it makes him look -- shouldnt be considered a bad thing.

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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
May 07 2008 00:20 GMT
#114
When Mondragon acts like it's all luck, that's really a way of tooting his horn. It may sound humble, but anyone who knows better can read between the lines.
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Blue
Profile Joined July 2004
Norway359 Posts
May 07 2008 00:33 GMT
#115
brats interview so short -_-
mysterious guy : )
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Jolle
Profile Joined June 2007
Norway185 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 00:43:47
May 07 2008 00:39 GMT
#116
I wan to like idra, but geez, what's up with beeing inmature and bm?
And all the comments afterwards, let it go man... what do you expect after that interview, lol.
So hard supporting him as a progamer. I wanna like idra, but I just see a sad person.

There's more to beeing a pro, than just having signed a contract..........
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
May 07 2008 01:03 GMT
#117
I think Mondragon knows exactly how good he is and what his chances are, he just chooses not to say anything controversial.
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anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
May 07 2008 01:03 GMT
#118
gogogogo idra

the interview made me lol

I don't see what all the hate is about.
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
May 07 2008 01:35 GMT
#119
Oh man, sure Idra was BM to a continent of people (though he says he just means "gg.net-esque Europeans), but it's all in the spirit of competition! Unless he's insulting their family name or something, it just adds to the desire for Europeans to crush him. I'm sure he'll have the skill to back up his claims, but now that he's gone and said this, imagine if White-Ra beats him in the first round.

I like comments like these because he immediately has to put up or shut up (though he could do neither I suppose), and the matches become more exciting because he's put his balls on the line.

Idra fighting!.. but White-Ra winning, Idra has Korea now.
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KoaLa
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada6 Posts
May 07 2008 02:54 GMT
#120
JF I'M UR BIGGEST FAN!@#!@#!@$$%$^%$&%*^&*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
May 07 2008 03:09 GMT
#121
On May 07 2008 10:35 Ancestral wrote:
Oh man, sure Idra was BM to a continent of people .

only if you consider eurotrash a reference to all europeans in which case you're being far more bm to them than i was.
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littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
May 07 2008 03:37 GMT
#122
its like saying white trash doesn't mean all white people, just the trash!
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radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
May 07 2008 03:38 GMT
#123
On May 07 2008 10:03 Hot_Bid wrote:
I think Mondragon knows exactly how good he is and what his chances are, he just chooses not to say anything controversial.


i agree, i'm sure he just does it to not put pressure on himself.

ppl seem to cream themselves over that false modesty though. so even though his interviews are usually pretty bland and devoid of any interesting info, at least he's making some people happy

impatience is a virtue
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
May 07 2008 03:40 GMT
#124
On May 07 2008 12:37 littlechava wrote:
its like saying white trash doesn't mean all white people, just the trash!


Agreed. I don't think many people are taking your statement to refer to all Europeans, but saying 'Eurotrash' demonstrates prejudice nonetheless.

Is it OK if I call a black man a nigger? 'Oh, but I wasn't saying that of all black people, just that one!'
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Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
May 07 2008 04:10 GMT
#125
On May 07 2008 12:09 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2008 10:35 Ancestral wrote:
Oh man, sure Idra was BM to a continent of people .

only if you consider eurotrash a reference to all europeans in which case you're being far more bm to them than i was.

Thanks for reading in between the parentheses! And I'm trying to say that what you said wasn't as bad as people are making it out to be, sorry if I said it wrong.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
May 07 2008 04:33 GMT
#126
it wasnt bad at all, the people who are getting pissy about it are just as dumb as the group i intended to insult in the first place.
people directly insult all americans on here all the time just because our president is a retard, people dont get nearly as bent out of shape over that.
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OctoPuSs
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Canada5279 Posts
May 07 2008 04:38 GMT
#127
I'm calling a dance-off between IdrA and Europe.
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tttt
Profile Joined February 2008
United States386 Posts
May 07 2008 04:45 GMT
#128
On May 07 2008 13:33 IdrA wrote:
it wasnt bad at all, the people who are getting pissy about it are just as dumb as the group i intended to insult in the first place.
people directly insult all americans on here all the time just because our president is a retard, people dont get nearly as bent out of shape over that.


QFT.
Jive-
Profile Joined May 2008
Denmark9 Posts
May 07 2008 05:39 GMT
#129
On May 07 2008 13:33 IdrA wrote:
it wasnt bad at all, the people who are getting pissy about it are just as dumb as the group i intended to insult in the first place.
people directly insult all americans on here all the time just because our president is a retard, people dont get nearly as bent out of shape over that.


Yes it was bad at all. People are not "dumb" for considering "eurotrash" an idiotic word usage in an interview like that.
And defending the word use by using the "people hate on Americans" argument here - just makes you look even more stupid.

But yes, that comment has certainly added even more excitement to the upcoming matches

go white ra



Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
May 07 2008 06:23 GMT
#130
The context is entirely different. None of the European players talked about 'dumb Americans' in their interviews.

I still fail to see your logic in this matter.
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 07 2008 06:31 GMT
#131
boo-fucking-hoo

If someone takes a statement like "eurotrash" seriously they need to pull the fucking stick out of their asses. Even if he was being serious he is generalizing some billion people. Great, he's a fucking moron. And if he wasn't (which he wasn't) then he is probably trying to solicit a response from those that would ever consider such a statement meaningful in anyway. It's like saying "starcraft player's are nerds." Great, someone has their head in the sand and generalized an impossibly large group of people in a single fucking line. I cannot fathom anyone actually being offended by such an insanely outrageous statement.

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anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
May 07 2008 06:37 GMT
#132
On May 07 2008 15:31 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
boo-fucking-hoo

If someone takes a statement like "eurotrash" seriously they need to pull the fucking stick out of their asses. Even if he was being serious he is generalizing some billion people. Great, he's a fucking moron. And if he wasn't (which he wasn't) then he is probably trying to solicit a response from those that would ever consider such a statement meaningful in anyway. It's like saying "starcraft player's are nerds." Great, someone has their head in the sand and generalized an impossibly large group of people in a single fucking line. I cannot fathom anyone actually being offended by such an insanely outrageous statement.

I hate kittens! Now watch all the pussies I offend. haha punny

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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
May 07 2008 06:44 GMT
#133
On May 07 2008 15:23 Last Romantic wrote:
The context is entirely different. None of the European players talked about 'dumb Americans' in their interviews.

I still fail to see your logic in this matter.

Uh, pretty sure he is referring to the European fanbase i.e Mistrzz/Draco fans who just constanly mash words online.
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Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
May 07 2008 06:55 GMT
#134
Hehe mondragon isn't just humble in interviews, he's constantly super insecure about losing to someone making up all kind of excuses like 'I have a bad hangover' or simply 'I suck'. So it isn't some kind of ploy, he just underrates himself massively .

Reason he doesn't post on public forums is because he doesn't like the e-drama that these forums often consist of.
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
May 07 2008 06:56 GMT
#135
IdrA is training trashtalk for OSL/MSL group selection.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
May 07 2008 06:56 GMT
#136
On May 07 2008 15:56 G.s)NarutO wrote:
IdrA is training trashtalk for OSL/MSL group selection.

FBH vs Idra gogogoog
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
May 07 2008 06:57 GMT
#137
On May 07 2008 15:55 Twisted wrote:
Hehe mondragon isn't just humble in interviews, he's constantly super insecure about losing to someone making up all kind of excuses like 'I have a bad hangover' or simply 'I suck'. So it isn't some kind of ploy, he just underrates himself massively .

Reason he doesn't post on public forums is because he doesn't like the e-drama that these forums often consist of.


Mondragons interviews are filled with sarcasm and irony .. He you to feel like he's the underdog. Unfortunately no one believes what he says (referring to "I suck.. " etc) :D
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Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
May 07 2008 08:16 GMT
#138
Someone buy Mondragon a pair of balls. I swear if he says he's lucky once more in an interview, I will kill a kitten... or two.
sasal
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany74 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 08:55:53
May 07 2008 08:49 GMT
#139
I believe in that what Hotbid said. He doesnt want to produce any controversials or dramas. The same thing when you see interviews about him from wcg were he gives big credit towards the korean players and talks for example his victory over savior as small as possible when he is asked about it.

When he take the favorite roll for himself there would be a bunch of people who would say he is arrogant or he is disesteeming his enemys. Either way you cant please everyone. So as If I would be a player then I would choose the most comfortable way for me. For some its this underdog role for others to see themselves already in the final and to carry this also outside.

Even for Mondragon it wont be a walk in the park. Claiming something else is IMO more fanboy worship and exaggerating than true. There are also Protoss that are able to beat him bo 3. You saw loosing him vs JF bo 3 and that White_ra gave him also a hard time in the ladder stage.
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
May 07 2008 10:43 GMT
#140
you can share your honest thoughts and opinions and do so in a humble manner (example: Cloud), mondragon takes it to the extreme which just makes it seem like mocking his opponents.
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sasal
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany74 Posts
May 07 2008 11:26 GMT
#141
Yes i think its partly to extreme too. You can interpret it this way in a other context and when you are expecting more the negative. But in this context it doesnt read like this. Since he is talking in both interviews about the games with his clanmate, points out that on this stage of the tournament everyone is capable to win and so on.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
May 07 2008 11:55 GMT
#142
On May 07 2008 14:39 Jive- wrote:
And defending the word use by using the "people hate on Americans" argument here - just makes you look even more stupid.

it is not a defense or an excuse. just pointing out that people are reading into the comment what they want to. those who dislike me are using it as an excuse to flame, regardless of what it actually means.
if froz or some other popular american had made the same comment people would be saying "you know hes right there are a lot of dumbfucks who hate on american players for no reason and the vast majority of them are european".
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
May 07 2008 12:56 GMT
#143
On May 07 2008 20:55 IdrA wrote:
"you know hes right there are a lot of dumbfucks who hate on american players for no reason and the vast majority of them are european".


NO
hatred outlives the hateful
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28674 Posts
May 07 2008 13:47 GMT
#144
mondi definitely thinks he is better than what he comes off as thinking in interviews. :p
he knows how good he is.. everyone who is good does. I can't speak for his motivation, but he's not answering the way he does "because he's just this humble".
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jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
May 07 2008 16:13 GMT
#145
On May 07 2008 20:55 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2008 14:39 Jive- wrote:
And defending the word use by using the "people hate on Americans" argument here - just makes you look even more stupid.

it is not a defense or an excuse. just pointing out that people are reading into the comment what they want to. those who dislike me are using it as an excuse to flame, regardless of what it actually means.
if froz or some other popular american had made the same comment people would be saying "you know hes right there are a lot of dumbfucks who hate on american players for no reason and the vast majority of them are european".


They didn't make the comment though, you did.

No finger pointing or saying "if someone else did this..."

Stand by your comments and let people hate, because they are going to anyways.

Don't drag anybody else's name into this though.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
May 07 2008 16:24 GMT
#146
sigh
stop being dumb please
i am not trying to sidestep it or shove blame elsewhere as i believe there is no blame to be had. i take no offense when people mock white trash, as i do not consider myself white trash. for the same reason i see no reason for anyone but the idiots i was referring to to take offense, and i dont give a shit if THEY take offense.

and i only used him as an example of how it would be perceived differently if people were not out looking to pick a fight. you would have to be incredibly stupid to think it sullies his name.
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Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
May 07 2008 16:30 GMT
#147
This one goes out to all my Eurotrash hommies! <3 ;b

Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
drift0ut
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United Kingdom691 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 16:36:35
May 07 2008 16:33 GMT
#148
Who do you think will go far in this tournament?
MYM.DinOt: Strelok, Mondragon and Draco without doubt.

well let's hope he plays bw better than he reads brackets
(see as how one of strelok and draco will be out in the first round)

gl all
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
May 07 2008 17:03 GMT
#149
On May 08 2008 01:24 IdrA wrote:
sigh
stop being dumb please
i am not trying to sidestep it or shove blame elsewhere as i believe there is no blame to be had. i take no offense when people mock white trash, as i do not consider myself white trash. for the same reason i see no reason for anyone but the idiots i was referring to to take offense, and i dont give a shit if THEY take offense.

and i only used him as an example of how it would be perceived differently if people were not out looking to pick a fight. you would have to be incredibly stupid to think it sullies his name.


I don't blame you for being defensive or using words like "dumb", "stupid", or "idiots" with such repetition that one might suspect the Idra FR-29 Drum Machine was set to 255 BPM.

There just isn't really much of a point in mentioning someone else's name in hypothetical situation though is there, when it is obvious they have a problem with you and your actions?

No matter how many insults you attempt to conjure to make yourself feel better in any way, shape, or form will change that it was poor usage and I saw it as distasteful.

Anyone who has studied debate or read Weissman's book on answering questions would agree.

NEWSFLASH: Not everyone is against you and some feedback is meant to be constructive. You don't have to try to give the reasons for every action you make, just accept the feedback and move on.

I expect men to have the balls to stick by everything they say or have balls to give a formal apology. Spend less time saying "I don't give a shit" and actually stop giving a shit is the answer.

You have good play in this game, that should be enough to know that the haters are beneath you and will most likely hate you out of nationalism regardless. That's part of sports history.
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SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 17:31:23
May 07 2008 17:31 GMT
#150
jeddus posting that post makes you a total hypocrite of what u just posted.
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
May 07 2008 17:42 GMT
#151
I didn't know Teamliquid employed so many psychologists.
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aqui
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany1023 Posts
May 07 2008 18:33 GMT
#152
im ashamed constantly for all the stupid and arrogant hate against the USA which i have to read when surfing on almost any forum, especially form europeans. The average US poster is much less BM in my experience. i always like to see, americans fighting back, its at least not that onesided then.
Jive-
Profile Joined May 2008
Denmark9 Posts
May 07 2008 19:01 GMT
#153
It has nothing to do with nationalism, stupid remarks deserve hate regardless of where the remark comes from.
Note: the hate came AFTER the remark, not the other way around.

And who the hell in Europe consider themselves Eurotrash
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
May 07 2008 19:46 GMT
#154
On May 08 2008 03:33 aqui wrote:
im ashamed constantly for all the stupid and arrogant hate against the USA which i have to read when surfing on almost any forum, especially form europeans. The average US poster is much less BM in my experience. i always like to see, americans fighting back, its at least not that onesided then.

Well I don't know in the rest of europe but in Italy no one hates or thinks americans are morons. Only bad generalization I have heard about americans is that their mid and high schools suck and that they dont study much in there (hence american high schoolers are ignorant), but then again it's not like everyone thinks americans are ignorant fucks. In the end generalizing is meaningless and even answering to people who do so is kind of stupid.
But well I guess I just wrote some very obvious stuff [image loading]
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Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 20:32:14
May 07 2008 19:55 GMT
#155
On May 08 2008 04:01 Jive- wrote:
It has nothing to do with nationalism, stupid remarks deserve hate regardless of where the remark comes from.
Note: the hate came AFTER the remark, not the other way around.

And who the hell in Europe consider themselves Eurotrash


Or even, who the hell in Europe consider themselves European? (explaination: it's a simplification so that dumbass US Americans can look at a map or have a geography class without fainting).

I don't "hate" americans, I just consider themselves selfabsorbed and full of themselves as if their individual importance was somehow connected to the US role in a global perspective..


But I do hate the:
.. french (use soap, you have the biggest manufacturers fochrissakes!)
.. italians (chill, and stop spouting gibberish and get all agitated over nothing..)
.. spaniacs ((chill, and stop spouting gibberish and get all agitated over nothing..)
.. portuguese (chill, and stop spouting gibberish and get all agitated over nothing..)
.. balkans (seriously - chill! ..and put that knife down..)
.. greeks (you can steal the french peoples soap since you're poor, so you're not excused either)
.. germans (invade the netherlands and steal their culture, and while you're at it, study their social interaction and get a clue about humor)
.. brits (You don't matter anymore. There, there, don't cry. Keep up with the accent thing, it's.. quaint.)
.. Norweigians (get over your littlemans complex already, and no, we don't want you back even if you give us the winter olympics medals and oil!)
.. eastern block (stop lagging my games dammit! PS: send moar hot chicks!)
.. Suisse (4 languages and different cultures under one flag, and you're soo proud! More like No-one bothered to invade those mountains, and you're the leftovers!)
.. Finns (Come on. You're making that up as you go along, that can't be a real language..)
.. Russians (No, I don't understand what you're saying, it doesn't help if you speak slowly, and it certainly doesn't help if you're intoxicated to the point of being flammable.)
.. Danes (It's been proven once and for all: danish children have a harder time understanding their parents language than swedish ones. Danish is not a language since you can understand us just fine - it's a Carlsbergish dialect.)
.. etc





Yeah I kid, I kid :D

Come june, I may end up hating Spain, Greece and Russia for a few weeks though (Euro 2008)

Disclaimer: Again, a joke on stereotypes. You can never be too careful!
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
May 07 2008 20:01 GMT
#156
On May 08 2008 04:55 Luhh wrote:


Or even, who the hell in Europe consider themselves European? (explaination: it's a simplification so that dumbass US Americans can look at a map or have a geography class without fainting).

I don't "hate" americans, I just consider themselves selfabsorbed and full of themselves as if their individual importance was somehow connected to the US role in a global perspective..


So basically you have a vendetta against americans. Right, thanks. Next time just say that straight up.
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JoxxOr
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden1502 Posts
May 07 2008 20:03 GMT
#157
On May 08 2008 04:46 iG.ClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2008 03:33 aqui wrote:
im ashamed constantly for all the stupid and arrogant hate against the USA which i have to read when surfing on almost any forum, especially form europeans. The average US poster is much less BM in my experience. i always like to see, americans fighting back, its at least not that onesided then.

Well I don't know in the rest of europe but in Italy no one hates or thinks americans are morons. Only bad generalization I have heard about americans is that their mid and high schools suck and that they dont study much in there (hence american high schoolers are ignorant), but then again it's not like everyone thinks americans are ignorant fucks. In the end generalizing is meaningless and even answering to people who do so is kind of stupid.
But well I guess I just wrote some very obvious stuff [image loading]

Well in my country, and other countries aswell around Europe i think there is a lot of false and stupid opinions about America and Americans but calling it "hate" is a bit to much.

I've always found it funny that most of the things that my friends talk about (Tv shows, computer games, music and other culture things) are always from America and they always say they love their shows.
But when it comes for their general opinion about American culture and the American people they usually respond that they hate it and would never want to watch a fat American making a TV Show
Gör om, gör rätt
Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
May 07 2008 20:04 GMT
#158
On May 08 2008 05:01 H_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2008 04:55 Luhh wrote:


Or even, who the hell in Europe consider themselves European? (explaination: it's a simplification so that dumbass US Americans can look at a map or have a geography class without fainting).

I don't "hate" americans, I just consider themselves selfabsorbed and full of themselves as if their individual importance was somehow connected to the US role in a global perspective..


So basically you have a vendetta against americans. Right, thanks. Next time just say that straight up.

Whoosh!
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
Jive-
Profile Joined May 2008
Denmark9 Posts
May 07 2008 20:08 GMT
#159
What luhh ??, a Swede bashing countries without mentioning Denmark.

You are clearly a fake Swede! now run home and do your "snus" and pass out after drinking the one beer your friend brought you home from Denmark.

Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
May 07 2008 20:10 GMT
#160
On May 08 2008 04:55 Luhh wrote:
Disclaimer: Again, a joke on stereotypes. You can never be too careful!


Dude your post rawked.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
May 07 2008 20:15 GMT
#161
On May 08 2008 05:08 Jive- wrote:
What luhh ??, a Swede bashing countries without mentioning Denmark.

You are clearly a fake Swede! now run home and do your "snus" and pass out after drinking the one beer your friend brought you home from Denmark.



One for the danes:

- You have to try it!
- Why?
- Because it's special!
- Uhm, it's red all right.
- It's moar than that, we even applied and had it sanctioned by the European Community.
- It's still just a fucking hot dog!
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
aqui
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany1023 Posts
May 07 2008 20:57 GMT
#162

It has nothing to do with nationalism, stupid remarks deserve hate regardless of where the remark comes from.
Note: the hate came AFTER the remark, not the other way around.


i did not refer to the discussion after his interview, rather the "hate" provoking the imo deserved eurotrash comment..

.. germans (invade the netherlands and steal their culture, and while you're at it, study their social interaction and get a clue about humor)

why should we, humor is britains task.
LetMeBeWithYou
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada4254 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-08 00:17:40
May 07 2008 22:04 GMT
#163
On May 08 2008 01:24 IdrA wrote:
i take no offense when people mock white trash, as i do not consider myself white trash.


That's funny, insults never accurately describes someone as the words you're insulting with. Eurotrash can clearly be seen as a insult to the people in europe; it can be understood as you're libeling Europeans as trash. Perhaps you didn't mean it but what happened to "mr.i gotta act like a good person and represent and promote esport"? Pretty sure you said something similar in your interview thread.

Maybe you'd like to avoid borderline retard insults so you don't come off like some arrogant cunt getting his shit stomped in Korea.

All Those beneath an angry star
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-08 00:06:56
May 07 2008 22:12 GMT
#164
Fuck man, I wish Castro had advanced
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Jolle
Profile Joined June 2007
Norway185 Posts
May 07 2008 22:46 GMT
#165
On May 08 2008 05:04 Luhh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2008 05:01 H_ wrote:
On May 08 2008 04:55 Luhh wrote:


Or even, who the hell in Europe consider themselves European? (explaination: it's a simplification so that dumbass US Americans can look at a map or have a geography class without fainting).

I don't "hate" americans, I just consider themselves selfabsorbed and full of themselves as if their individual importance was somehow connected to the US role in a global perspective..


So basically you have a vendetta against americans. Right, thanks. Next time just say that straight up.

Whoosh!

You need to do the hand gesture over the head. when u say that lol
Jolle
Profile Joined June 2007
Norway185 Posts
May 07 2008 22:47 GMT
#166
On May 08 2008 05:01 H_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2008 04:55 Luhh wrote:


Or even, who the hell in Europe consider themselves European? (explaination: it's a simplification so that dumbass US Americans can look at a map or have a geography class without fainting).

I don't "hate" americans, I just consider themselves selfabsorbed and full of themselves as if their individual importance was somehow connected to the US role in a global perspective..


So basically you have a vendetta against americans. Right, thanks. Next time just say that straight up.


rtfp
HotZhot
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Colombia677 Posts
May 08 2008 03:01 GMT
#167
Too bad for Castro, gogo all remaining zergs, good luck to you all.
I only smile in the darK [] sAviOr//JaeDong Fan 4 Ever ~ CJ Entusman # 7
tttt
Profile Joined February 2008
United States386 Posts
May 08 2008 05:24 GMT
#168
For all of the outrage about the term "Eurotrash" it's sad that not one person in this thread has any clue what it refers to. Let's start with what the term DOESN'T mean:

- Poor, uneducated Europeans (like the European equivalent of "white trash" as IdRa incorrectly compared it to)

-Europeans in general.

-People from a specific region in Europe.


"Eurotrash" is a term that refers to very wealthy European 20-somethings who travel around the world on their parents dime. I believe it was originally coined by New Yorkers who were less than impressed with their general disdain for everything and their aversion to working for a living.

I highly doubt any European on this board fits that definition anymore than the Americans on the board fit the stereotype of a fat, obnoxious American tourist eating at a McDonald's even though he's in a new country for the first time in his life.
LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
May 08 2008 08:32 GMT
#169
I liked the interviews, they were cool!! GoGo NonY!

Oh, this is political discussion, sorry, I'll find my own way out...
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
Makhno
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Sweden585 Posts
May 08 2008 15:07 GMT
#170
Haha it's not like people living in Europe have any sense of patriotism for the continent, and in my country extremely few people have any sense of patriotism at all which at least I find nice. It makes it much easier to just don't care at all when someone trashtalks your country/region/whatever.

"Sweden sucks, fucking commie social democratic morons!"

"Okay sure, I don't really agree but im sure you have lots of info to back your opinions up, so you probably have point, I don't really care because I could've been born in Canada, USA, Iraq or (god yes) South Korea."

Cloud owns, come on Cloud!
"If I think, everything is lost"
Bub
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States3518 Posts
May 08 2008 17:55 GMT
#171
On May 06 2008 09:18 Titusmaster6 wrote:
Thanks a lot, loved the different questions for different progamers btw.

Go USA!


they're progamers?
XK ßubonic
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
May 08 2008 19:08 GMT
#172
Lol Idra's interview is win.

BTW. Eurotrash is actually an American term referring to a specific type of Europeans, not all Europeans in general. Jeez and people think the Chinese get offended easily.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
May 08 2008 19:40 GMT
#173
yeah when i think Eurotrash i just think Romania
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
May 08 2008 19:59 GMT
#174
On May 09 2008 04:40 CultureMisfits wrote:
yeah when i think Eurotrash i just think Romania


[image loading]


I hope you can tell me if you enjoyed your trip.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
May 08 2008 20:01 GMT
#175
Who cares what eurotrash ACTUALLY means.
What I guess matters is who Idra is referring too, who people believe it refers to, and in which context. Regardless I find it comical that a little kid would act so bad ass on the net.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
May 09 2008 01:42 GMT
#176
On May 09 2008 04:59 FirstBorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2008 04:40 CultureMisfits wrote:
yeah when i think Eurotrash i just think Romania


[image loading]


I hope you can tell me if you enjoyed your trip.


:7 im only kidding.... or am i
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
May 09 2008 02:11 GMT
#177
Pink castle = BAD ASS

.......Wait
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
DrywMz
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States394 Posts
May 09 2008 07:13 GMT
#178
On May 07 2008 15:56 G.s)NarutO wrote:
IdrA is training trashtalk for OSL/MSL group selection.

Clearly all IdrA wants is a free PSP!



GOGO HAYPRO!!
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
May 09 2008 08:57 GMT
#179
i just noticed this from dinot's interview:

"Who do you think will go far in this tournament?
Strelok, Mondragon and Draco without doubt."

point of interest being strelok and draco are playing against each other
Moonlight Shadow
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
May 09 2008 19:01 GMT
#180
He clearly means whoever wins out of that match. And for that question, its more of a "who do you think are the strongest players in the tournament" rather than asking them to make specific bracket predictions. It's not a big deal if their opinions don't match specifically with the brackets, obviously he understands that both Draco and Strelok can't get to the finals.
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
May 09 2008 19:53 GMT
#181
Why does everyone have to be mannered in their interview? If anything, the TSL interviews and players should be MORE interesting than the Korean pros. Obviously it doesn't have the same level of skill, but it's entertaining nonetheless.

And besides, it's not as if the Korean pros haven't done similar things, just sometimes in subtler ways.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 09 2008 20:05 GMT
#182
ya fuck manner.

FUCK YOU ALL.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Slorm
Profile Joined March 2008
Chile14 Posts
May 09 2008 22:54 GMT
#183
GO Dinot!!!!!!!" the chilean people are waiting view you in the finals.

He use zergs my favorite race :D
i'm the worst starcraft player, maybe i will be better in Sc2 :D
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
May 10 2008 18:50 GMT
#184
Would someone be up for live-reporting the games that'll start in a bit?
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
omnigol
Profile Joined April 2008
United States166 Posts
May 10 2008 19:04 GMT
#185
On May 11 2008 03:50 Southlight wrote:
Would someone be up for live-reporting the games that'll start in a bit?


They are going to be streaming the matches.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
May 10 2008 19:08 GMT
#186
On May 10 2008 04:53 darktreb wrote:
Why does everyone have to be mannered in their interview? If anything, the TSL interviews and players should be MORE interesting than the Korean pros. Obviously it doesn't have the same level of skill, but it's entertaining nonetheless.

And besides, it's not as if the Korean pros haven't done similar things, just sometimes in subtler ways.


Well, if you bm, then bm in style.

'What is a yawn rape?'
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
May 10 2008 19:29 GMT
#187
On May 11 2008 04:04 omnigol wrote:
They are going to be streaming the matches.


... I know this?

To clarify myself, then.

Will someone be up for live reporting the matches, like people do for the Korean games, for people who aren't in a position to watch/listen to streams, be it because they're at work or because their computer died?

Thanks~
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
omnigol
Profile Joined April 2008
United States166 Posts
May 10 2008 20:14 GMT
#188
On May 11 2008 04:29 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2008 04:04 omnigol wrote:
They are going to be streaming the matches.


... I know this?

To clarify myself, then.

Will someone be up for live reporting the matches, like people do for the Korean games, for people who aren't in a position to watch/listen to streams, be it because they're at work or because their computer died?

Thanks~

I misunderstood you, but I still don't understand. If you don't have access to a computer what are you going to listen to? I don't know how they do it for korean games, I'm assuming you don't mean commentary.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-11 03:01:47
May 11 2008 03:01 GMT
#189
Who do you think will go far in this tournament?
I think the final four will be Iefnaij Mondragon Nony and myself, although that could change depending on who advances from C. I could imagine ret advancing from Mondragon's bracket if he gets C2. I don't really see any upsets happening, although the eurotrash will consider it an upset when me and Nony advance.
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