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NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
February 04 2009 00:30 GMT
#121
This power rank makes my OGN fan side happy. Thank you for this - it's always informative and fun to read.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
brjdrb
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States577 Posts
February 04 2009 03:24 GMT
#122
i do agree that leta is hot, but i think the fact that he hasn't yet proven himself in an individual league should stop him from being #1. of course, that's just because i believe darth vader would make it a bo5.
Stork's biggest fan
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
February 04 2009 03:45 GMT
#123
On February 03 2009 20:34 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2009 14:55 baubo wrote:
On February 03 2009 12:37 I_L_Jl wrote:
On February 03 2009 12:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
programmer?


Fine Professional SC Player


No, he's talking about you mistyping progamer for programmer.

If we're talking about programming, I'd easily pwn all these noobs on the PR. P

On February 03 2009 12:18 I_L_Jl wrote:
On February 03 2009 11:29 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Flash is still the best Terran. Leta is just hotter. He deserves the spot more, but there is really no question as to who would go farther in a starleague, or who has more skill.


Leta is just hotter?

Take out his first few months (his first 10 games) and Leta has achieved an unbelievable 50-17(75%) record over slightly more than a year . No championships yet, but he hasn't been a programmer as long as flash.


Umm... Flash and Leta came up to the A team at about the same time. It's just that one sucked while the other instantly became successful.

And trying to compare a Proleague specialist with Flash, the player with the heaviest workload among all progamers PLUS being a high schooler, is a really disservice to Flash.



Flash doesnt have that much work recently as in the previous season


I don't understand your point. Neither I nor the person I responded to was talking about recently. We're talking about over the past year.
Meh
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
February 04 2009 06:31 GMT
#124
Great write-up, props.

Bisu #1!
Peace~
muramasa
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada1299 Posts
February 04 2009 08:45 GMT
#125
Jangbi's taking back the #1 spot next month. Bisu is the #2 Protoss in town.
Hong Jin Ho. Nevar forget.
Uraeus
Profile Joined February 2008
France1378 Posts
February 04 2009 12:08 GMT
#126
Thanks for placing Anytime in the PR.
He deserves credit for pulling away such results while being in ACE.
I bet next month wills Savior coming back from oblivion too.
You are lucky I don't have a banhammer
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
February 04 2009 16:20 GMT
#127
The power rank doesn't take consideration of Bisu's elo of 2312 above Leta's elo which is only 2250?
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
February 04 2009 16:26 GMT
#128
On February 05 2009 01:20 LunarDestiny wrote:
The power rank doesn't take consideration of Bisu's elo of 2312 above Leta's elo which is only 2250?

Did you read the explanation that Mani linked? No? Go read it. Thanks.
Peace~
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-04 17:49:17
February 04 2009 16:38 GMT
#129
On February 05 2009 01:20 LunarDestiny wrote:
The power rank doesn't take consideration of Bisu's elo of 2312 above Leta's elo which is only 2250?


then answer is NO, PR is totally diferent than ELO or Kespa rankings
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
JohnnyCash
Profile Joined February 2006
France244 Posts
February 04 2009 22:13 GMT
#130
On February 02 2009 13:17 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
Jangbi has the unique ability to not only beat anyone in the world, but lose to anyone as well.


I disagree. Jangbi is one of the most consistent players right now, especially out of the Protoss pool. His losses come rarely in Proleague; he pulls through every time in individual leagues.Everyone drops unexpected matches at times, that's just the nature of the game. This is certainly not a unique quality, because it happens to everyone. What about Bisu? Could you say the same thing for Bisu then? He lost verses Zergs he was supposed to beat. I also remember when Jaedong lost to guys like Tempest in a best out of three, but that doesn't all of sudden make him a player "that can beat anyone in the world, but lose to anyone as well." I don't know, I feel like you are using an unfair criteria for Jangbi regarding this when it's not a distinctive quality.

As for Stork being at the bottom, eh, I guess I can't argue much about it because he went on that losing streak in Proleague. But him handling forGG/go.go to easily advance from the group, then beating NaDa on infamous Rush Hour III and then taking down Mind shows he's still the greatest PvTer in the world. Hopefully it's also a sign that he's back to his normal form.

Other than that, I really enjoyed this Power Rank, particularly your writing style. Thanks Mani!



I agree 100%, with all three points.
On the JangBi inconsistency, even though I know it doesn't mean much, I remember when he had a 90% win-ratio on iccup (one of the best ratios I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong). Even if there aren't only progamers, it's still a very high level of play and this to me is a proof that he's the kind of guy that hates losing and is always capable of finding a way to victory against a lesser opponent.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
February 05 2009 08:19 GMT
#131
On February 05 2009 07:13 JohnnyCash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2009 13:17 OneOther wrote:
Jangbi has the unique ability to not only beat anyone in the world, but lose to anyone as well.


I disagree. Jangbi is one of the most consistent players right now, especially out of the Protoss pool. His losses come rarely in Proleague; he pulls through every time in individual leagues.Everyone drops unexpected matches at times, that's just the nature of the game. This is certainly not a unique quality, because it happens to everyone. What about Bisu? Could you say the same thing for Bisu then? He lost verses Zergs he was supposed to beat. I also remember when Jaedong lost to guys like Tempest in a best out of three, but that doesn't all of sudden make him a player "that can beat anyone in the world, but lose to anyone as well." I don't know, I feel like you are using an unfair criteria for Jangbi regarding this when it's not a distinctive quality.

As for Stork being at the bottom, eh, I guess I can't argue much about it because he went on that losing streak in Proleague. But him handling forGG/go.go to easily advance from the group, then beating NaDa on infamous Rush Hour III and then taking down Mind shows he's still the greatest PvTer in the world. Hopefully it's also a sign that he's back to his normal form.

Other than that, I really enjoyed this Power Rank, particularly your writing style. Thanks Mani!



I agree 100%, with all three points.
On the JangBi inconsistency, even though I know it doesn't mean much, I remember when he had a 90% win-ratio on iccup (one of the best ratios I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong). Even if there aren't only progamers, it's still a very high level of play and this to me is a proof that he's the kind of guy that hates losing and is always capable of finding a way to victory against a lesser opponent.


He pulls trough individual leauges while Bisu doesnt? Let's see,
Bisu: OSL (with wildcard though), GOM;
Jangbi: MSL, GOM (with the luckiest, easiest road possible)

I dont see how do you use idinvidual leagues against Bisu and in favor of Jangbi
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
amanet
Profile Joined December 2007
Croatia334 Posts
February 05 2009 09:41 GMT
#132
puting Leta 1st is ridiculous .. he cant beat bisu
JohnnyCash
Profile Joined February 2006
France244 Posts
February 05 2009 10:54 GMT
#133
On February 05 2009 17:19 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2009 07:13 JohnnyCash wrote:
On February 02 2009 13:17 OneOther wrote:
Jangbi has the unique ability to not only beat anyone in the world, but lose to anyone as well.


I disagree. Jangbi is one of the most consistent players right now, especially out of the Protoss pool. His losses come rarely in Proleague; he pulls through every time in individual leagues.Everyone drops unexpected matches at times, that's just the nature of the game. This is certainly not a unique quality, because it happens to everyone. What about Bisu? Could you say the same thing for Bisu then? He lost verses Zergs he was supposed to beat. I also remember when Jaedong lost to guys like Tempest in a best out of three, but that doesn't all of sudden make him a player "that can beat anyone in the world, but lose to anyone as well." I don't know, I feel like you are using an unfair criteria for Jangbi regarding this when it's not a distinctive quality.

As for Stork being at the bottom, eh, I guess I can't argue much about it because he went on that losing streak in Proleague. But him handling forGG/go.go to easily advance from the group, then beating NaDa on infamous Rush Hour III and then taking down Mind shows he's still the greatest PvTer in the world. Hopefully it's also a sign that he's back to his normal form.

Other than that, I really enjoyed this Power Rank, particularly your writing style. Thanks Mani!



I agree 100%, with all three points.
On the JangBi inconsistency, even though I know it doesn't mean much, I remember when he had a 90% win-ratio on iccup (one of the best ratios I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong). Even if there aren't only progamers, it's still a very high level of play and this to me is a proof that he's the kind of guy that hates losing and is always capable of finding a way to victory against a lesser opponent.


He pulls trough individual leauges while Bisu doesnt? Let's see,
Bisu: OSL (with wildcard though), GOM;
Jangbi: MSL, GOM (with the luckiest, easiest road possible)

I dont see how do you use idinvidual leagues against Bisu and in favor of Jangbi


Hmm, I was more making a point about the initial argument that "JangBi can lose to anyone". All progamers can lose to anyone (including Bisu, just an example picked by OneOther..), but someone with a good sense of seeing cheeses coming and coming back from a BO disadvantage is less likely to do so. To me the 90% win ratio on Iccup proves that JangBi is in this category, not just a player with good mechanics which will get outsmarted from time to time by lesser opponents.
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
February 05 2009 11:06 GMT
#134
On February 05 2009 19:54 JohnnyCash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2009 17:19 Geo.Rion wrote:
On February 05 2009 07:13 JohnnyCash wrote:
On February 02 2009 13:17 OneOther wrote:
Jangbi has the unique ability to not only beat anyone in the world, but lose to anyone as well.


I disagree. Jangbi is one of the most consistent players right now, especially out of the Protoss pool. His losses come rarely in Proleague; he pulls through every time in individual leagues.Everyone drops unexpected matches at times, that's just the nature of the game. This is certainly not a unique quality, because it happens to everyone. What about Bisu? Could you say the same thing for Bisu then? He lost verses Zergs he was supposed to beat. I also remember when Jaedong lost to guys like Tempest in a best out of three, but that doesn't all of sudden make him a player "that can beat anyone in the world, but lose to anyone as well." I don't know, I feel like you are using an unfair criteria for Jangbi regarding this when it's not a distinctive quality.

As for Stork being at the bottom, eh, I guess I can't argue much about it because he went on that losing streak in Proleague. But him handling forGG/go.go to easily advance from the group, then beating NaDa on infamous Rush Hour III and then taking down Mind shows he's still the greatest PvTer in the world. Hopefully it's also a sign that he's back to his normal form.

Other than that, I really enjoyed this Power Rank, particularly your writing style. Thanks Mani!



I agree 100%, with all three points.
On the JangBi inconsistency, even though I know it doesn't mean much, I remember when he had a 90% win-ratio on iccup (one of the best ratios I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong). Even if there aren't only progamers, it's still a very high level of play and this to me is a proof that he's the kind of guy that hates losing and is always capable of finding a way to victory against a lesser opponent.


He pulls trough individual leauges while Bisu doesnt? Let's see,
Bisu: OSL (with wildcard though), GOM;
Jangbi: MSL, GOM (with the luckiest, easiest road possible)

I dont see how do you use idinvidual leagues against Bisu and in favor of Jangbi


Hmm, I was more making a point about the initial argument that "JangBi can lose to anyone". All progamers can lose to anyone (including Bisu, just an example picked by OneOther..), but someone with a good sense of seeing cheeses coming and coming back from a BO disadvantage is less likely to do so. To me the 90% win ratio on Iccup proves that JangBi is in this category, not just a player with good mechanics which will get outsmarted from time to time by lesser opponents.


Or that he tries harder than the other pros playing there? Wasnt magma A+ with like 2-4 losses last season?
God Hates a Coward
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
February 05 2009 13:34 GMT
#135
On February 05 2009 18:41 amanet wrote:
puting Leta 1st is ridiculous .. he cant beat bisu

It's not about who can beat who, it's about who can beat the most players in the proscene today, in how dominating a fashion, and how consistently. FBH was on the PR many times even though he would probably lose to every Protoss on the list (generally).
Peace~
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
February 05 2009 13:52 GMT
#136
On February 03 2009 12:37 I_L_Jl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2009 12:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
programmer?


Fine Professional SC Player


A programmer is somebody who programs something, the progamers do no such thing.
Hi.
Drazzzt
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany999 Posts
February 05 2009 14:23 GMT
#137
Where is Hwasin? This guy is really hot right now. Wait until he owns all in MSL/OSL
Be Nice, Be Fair, Be Mannered.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
February 05 2009 14:26 GMT
#138
exactly, wait until he owns all in MSL/OSL and then he'll be ranked
Terran & Potato Salad.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
February 05 2009 15:35 GMT
#139
On February 05 2009 23:26 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
exactly, wait until he owns all in MSL/OSL and then he'll be ranked


9-1 in his last 10 games, wins over S class progamers in their good/best MUs, he needs nothing more to prove he belongs to PR. Maybe not very high, but he's on fire
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
February 05 2009 16:38 GMT
#140
On February 05 2009 18:41 amanet wrote:
puting Leta 1st is ridiculous .. he cant beat bisu
He has already... even though it was before Bisu made his comeback. Still, if they meet in the OSL, I think Leta has a good chance.


They can't meet in the MSL, because Bisu failed hard there, which is why he's not number one in the power rank.
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