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purple[time]
Profile Joined February 2009
13 Posts
February 08 2009 23:21 GMT
#181
am I the only one that feels Hwasin should be moved up since he beat Flash and Jaedong?
meerh
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
February 09 2009 00:10 GMT
#182
On February 09 2009 08:21 purple[time] wrote:
am I the only one that feels Hwasin should be moved up since he beat Flash and Jaedong?

How could you be?, the last two pages of this PR was flaming about who said Hwasin should be on the PR and when Hwasin should be on the PR and who got it right about who said what.

So, no.
Jaedong
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
February 09 2009 02:57 GMT
#183
he should probably be moved onto the pr if he keeps this level of play up, yeah. but we have more than a month to go, so why bother posting this? It's like making arguments over leta bisu jaedong or flash for #1 in a month. It's a month, who the hell knows what will happen?
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
February 09 2009 03:32 GMT
#184
On February 09 2009 09:10 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2009 08:21 purple[time] wrote:
am I the only one that feels Hwasin should be moved up since he beat Flash and Jaedong?

How could you be?, the last two pages of this PR was flaming about who said Hwasin should be on the PR and when Hwasin should be on the PR and who got it right about who said what.

So, no.

Haha, first post too.
GANDHISAUCE
Drazzzt
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany999 Posts
February 09 2009 14:40 GMT
#185
Stay cool guys. I just asked about Hwasin as he was in the last PR and not in this one even though his record became even better.
Anyways, I know Manifesto used another ranking system and it's his decision alone whom he ranks or not.
But I hope that Hwasin will keep up his good performance and will be ranked properly next PR.
PEACE~
Be Nice, Be Fair, Be Mannered.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
February 09 2009 22:32 GMT
#186
On February 05 2009 17:19 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2009 07:13 JohnnyCash wrote:
On February 02 2009 13:17 OneOther wrote:
Jangbi has the unique ability to not only beat anyone in the world, but lose to anyone as well.


I disagree. Jangbi is one of the most consistent players right now, especially out of the Protoss pool. His losses come rarely in Proleague; he pulls through every time in individual leagues.Everyone drops unexpected matches at times, that's just the nature of the game. This is certainly not a unique quality, because it happens to everyone. What about Bisu? Could you say the same thing for Bisu then? He lost verses Zergs he was supposed to beat. I also remember when Jaedong lost to guys like Tempest in a best out of three, but that doesn't all of sudden make him a player "that can beat anyone in the world, but lose to anyone as well." I don't know, I feel like you are using an unfair criteria for Jangbi regarding this when it's not a distinctive quality.

As for Stork being at the bottom, eh, I guess I can't argue much about it because he went on that losing streak in Proleague. But him handling forGG/go.go to easily advance from the group, then beating NaDa on infamous Rush Hour III and then taking down Mind shows he's still the greatest PvTer in the world. Hopefully it's also a sign that he's back to his normal form.

Other than that, I really enjoyed this Power Rank, particularly your writing style. Thanks Mani!



I agree 100%, with all three points.
On the JangBi inconsistency, even though I know it doesn't mean much, I remember when he had a 90% win-ratio on iccup (one of the best ratios I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong). Even if there aren't only progamers, it's still a very high level of play and this to me is a proof that he's the kind of guy that hates losing and is always capable of finding a way to victory against a lesser opponent.


He pulls trough individual leauges while Bisu doesnt? Let's see,
Bisu: OSL (with wildcard though), GOM;
Jangbi: MSL, GOM (with the luckiest, easiest road possible)

I dont see how do you use idinvidual leagues against Bisu and in favor of Jangbi

Uhh sorry for the late reply but you completely misunderstood my post. I didn't say anything even close to what you are talking about. My point is that Jangbi is a consistent player in both Proleague and individual leagues, not that he pulls through while Bisu doesn't. Bisu was just an example that I picked to show that even the best players can lose to random opponents. You are on a different planet here.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
February 11 2009 03:17 GMT
#187
On February 09 2009 23:40 Drazzzt wrote:
Stay cool guys. I just asked about Hwasin as he was in the last PR and not in this one even though his record became even better.
Anyways, I know Manifesto used another ranking system and it's his decision alone whom he ranks or not.
But I hope that Hwasin will keep up his good performance and will be ranked properly next PR.
PEACE~

I feel like a few of his really important wins came after the PR for this month was already created.
See: + Show Spoiler +
vs Best

Maybe next month we will see him on it again.
+ Show Spoiler +
especially if he wins his group 2-0
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
FireEagle
Profile Joined January 2009
Romania171 Posts
February 11 2009 12:55 GMT
#188
(P)Bisu should be number one right now. Won the GOM, Kespa #1, ELO #2, looks strong in the OSL.
(T)Leta #2 for his performances which are very solid both in the Proleague as in the individual leagues.
(P)JangBi #3 for hisGOM Silver, as well for goin 2-0 in the MSL.
(T)Flash #4, for being impressive in the Proleague and winning in the MSL
(Z)Jaedong #5 for winning in the OSL constanly, but lost to (T)Flash
(T)Hwasin #6 2-0 in the MSL Group of Death, beating Best in the OSL
(Z)sAviOr #7 He is on a good winning streak, beat some very good players
(Z)Luxury #8
and the rest of the spots have no rightful owner
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
February 11 2009 13:54 GMT
#189
flash should be 3, or even 2. He looks unbeatable again. :\
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
February 11 2009 14:06 GMT
#190
On February 11 2009 21:55 FireEagle wrote:
(P)Bisu should be number one right now. Won the GOM, Kespa #1, ELO #2, looks strong in the OSL.
(T)Leta #2 for his performances which are very solid both in the Proleague as in the individual leagues.
(P)JangBi #3 for hisGOM Silver, as well for goin 2-0 in the MSL.
(T)Flash #4, for being impressive in the Proleague and winning in the MSL
(Z)Jaedong #5 for winning in the OSL constanly, but lost to (T)Flash
(T)Hwasin #6 2-0 in the MSL Group of Death, beating Best in the OSL
(Z)sAviOr #7 He is on a good winning streak, beat some very good players
(Z)Luxury #8
and the rest of the spots have no rightful owner

Take off Savior and I would agree. Maybe Hwasin > Jaedong atm.
Peace~
t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
February 11 2009 15:11 GMT
#191
On February 11 2009 21:55 FireEagle wrote:
(P)Bisu should be number one right now. Won the GOM, Kespa #1, ELO #2, looks strong in the OSL.
(T)Leta #2 for his performances which are very solid both in the Proleague as in the individual leagues.
(P)JangBi #3 for hisGOM Silver, as well for goin 2-0 in the MSL.
(T)Flash #4, for being impressive in the Proleague and winning in the MSL
(Z)Jaedong #5 for winning in the OSL constanly, but lost to (T)Flash
(T)Hwasin #6 2-0 in the MSL Group of Death, beating Best in the OSL
(Z)sAviOr #7 He is on a good winning streak, beat some very good players
(Z)Luxury #8
and the rest of the spots have no rightful owner


Flash should be 2.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just look at what he did to STX last night. He's 12-2 this month...
"Look, don't congratulate us when we buy a company, congratulate us when we sell it. Because any fool can overpay and buy a company, so long as there is money to buy it." --Henry Kravis
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
February 11 2009 15:31 GMT
#192
I also see no reason why Yarnc would be dropped.
Calyx
Profile Joined January 2009
United States49 Posts
February 11 2009 16:18 GMT
#193
Watch Jaedongs games tonight (against ACE - the one vs sunny - and in OSL) - it seems to me like he should be higher. He is either far better than JangBi, or I dislike JangBi far more than I thought.
Your mind has been transported back in time... and to Mars.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
February 11 2009 16:50 GMT
#194
While Jaedong may or may not be better than Jangbi, I don't know why you use his win against Kal and Sunny as examples. If anything, those games prove squat.

If Sunny was even an average TvZer who practices normally, Jaedong would've lost that game. Sunny lost that game because he just doesn't have the late-game terran control of a normal progamer. As for OSL, winning ZvP on Tears of the Moon doesn't exactly require gosu skills.

That said, I wouldn't mind putting Jaedong above Jangbi.

On February 12 2009 00:31 Darth Peter wrote:
I also see no reason why Yarnc would be dropped.


Yarnc may or may not be worthy of the PR next month, but his failure tonight to respond to Stork's one base tech doesn't help matters.
Meh
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-11 18:24:59
February 11 2009 18:19 GMT
#195
On February 12 2009 01:50 baubo wrote:
While Jaedong may or may not be better than Jangbi, I don't know why you use his win against Kal and Sunny as examples. If anything, those games prove squat.

If Sunny was even an average TvZer who practices normally, Jaedong would've lost that game. Sunny lost that game because he just doesn't have the late-game terran control of a normal progamer. As for OSL, winning ZvP on Tears of the Moon doesn't exactly require gosu skills.

That said, I wouldn't mind putting Jaedong above Jangbi.

Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 00:31 Darth Peter wrote:
I also see no reason why Yarnc would be dropped.


Yarnc may or may not be worthy of the PR next month, but his failure tonight to respond to Stork's one base tech doesn't help matters.

Yeah,but that's one game. Everybody fucks up once in a while. But he is in both league,is good in WL and has decent chances in MSL,although having to face Bisu doesn't increase his chances of qualifying in the OSL,but still,I think Yarnc is an impressive player,and doesn't deserve to be dropped from the PR,yet(there are still at least two weeks). As for Jaedong,as much as I am a fan of his and am happy that he finally beat Kal and FBH after two fails against each of them in PL,I am not sure that he should be placed above Jangbi,and definitely not above Flash. I was sad that Flash stomped him twice and I was sad after his losses against Hwasin and Free too. It just seems to me that JD is better than the majority of players,but he doesn't win against the big guns,much liek how Flash was too months ago. His games against Bisu will be a good indicator,and I really hope he finally finds his edge because I am a fan of his.
EDIT: As for Jangbi,I don't know what to think. He has to be one of the luckiest gamers ever. I mean seriously,he had to beat pepe,had a free win against Backho in the Gom and now he is facing Frozean(are you kidding me????? he's 0-7 in PL) in the MSL. When he plays against lesser opponents,he just makes them look like noobs. And he can stand against the best and has great P v P and P v T. But his P v Z I think is overrated. Everybody comes with stuff like how strong is Jangbi's P v Z,but I didn't see him win an impressive P v Z ever. I mean he loses to almost every player that Bisu lost to,people just don't bitch about that because they didn't meet in a Starleague,so they just say,well,that was only in Proleague,shit happens. But when Bisu lost in Starlagues against Zergs everybody started like Bisu has bad P v Z. Prove me wrong Jangbi,I really hope,I just want you to beat Flash and Bisu(wait,I don't want that,but you get the point),and you are not just capable of beating pepe and players like that.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
February 11 2009 20:44 GMT
#196
On February 11 2009 23:06 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2009 21:55 FireEagle wrote:
(P)Bisu should be number one right now. Won the GOM, Kespa #1, ELO #2, looks strong in the OSL.
(T)Leta #2 for his performances which are very solid both in the Proleague as in the individual leagues.
(P)JangBi #3 for hisGOM Silver, as well for goin 2-0 in the MSL.
(T)Flash #4, for being impressive in the Proleague and winning in the MSL
(Z)Jaedong #5 for winning in the OSL constanly, but lost to (T)Flash
(T)Hwasin #6 2-0 in the MSL Group of Death, beating Best in the OSL
(Z)sAviOr #7 He is on a good winning streak, beat some very good players
(Z)Luxury #8
and the rest of the spots have no rightful owner

Take off Savior and I would agree. Maybe Hwasin > Jaedong atm.
why the hell would you take savior off? Eight game win streak, possible msl advancement. I think thats what it hinges on, his ability to defeat upmagic.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
February 12 2009 02:11 GMT
#197
On February 12 2009 01:50 baubo wrote:
While Jaedong may or may not be better than Jangbi, I don't know why you use his win against Kal and Sunny as examples. If anything, those games prove squat.

If Sunny was even an average TvZer who practices normally, Jaedong would've lost that game. Sunny lost that game because he just doesn't have the late-game terran control of a normal progamer. As for OSL, winning ZvP on Tears of the Moon doesn't exactly require gosu skills.

That said, I wouldn't mind putting Jaedong above Jangbi.

Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 00:31 Darth Peter wrote:
I also see no reason why Yarnc would be dropped.


Yarnc may or may not be worthy of the PR next month, but his failure tonight to respond to Stork's one base tech doesn't help matters.

His game vs Kal may not prove anything but his game vs Suny definitely shows his skill. Yes, it was his fault that he got into the mess vs Suny, but it was his skill that pulled for him in the end. Who can't just say he beat a crappy player. That game showecased a lot of strength from both players.
Jaedong
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-12 05:32:50
February 12 2009 05:26 GMT
#198
1.(P)Bisu Just on fire lately. Won GOM finals and came back in MSL. No questions asked.
2.(T)Leta Even though his performances did not go down, Bisu took the #1 spot from playing better. Leta is still very solid player, impressive number of consistent wins
3.(T)Flash Dismantling STX players and all-killing the strongest Team Oz is very impressive, and we can expect no less from Flash.
4.(Z)Jaedong Despite dropping out of MSL, his loss verse Hwasin seems more like a dumb mistake of being sunken greedy that cost him the game, which cost him the MSL. He thrashed players that he recently and previously did not do well verse, such as FBH, Kal, Casy. Also a +1 for all-killing ACE.
5.(T)Hwasin Did awesome in MSL group, and even went to beat Best (who I regarded as the favorite over him)
6.(P)JangBi # He's shown positive results lately but losing to Bisu was expected. Since he got a free ticket out of semi finals, I can't really give him credit for winning silver in GOM. He also gets +1 for beating Zero, who has vastly improved his ZvP

EDIT: Well, I'm having 2nd thoughts on putting Flash below Leta. I just can't decide
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
xxsaznpride
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States506 Posts
February 12 2009 07:08 GMT
#199
^
Has Leta even done anything in the past month to warrant him being above Flash and Jaedong? (serious question)
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FireEagle
Profile Joined January 2009
Romania171 Posts
February 12 2009 07:17 GMT
#200
Jurs realised something. JangBi has the second best vT in history, looking at the ELO. And he won his last match vs both Leta and Flash, although those matches were far away. And about the question: who is better: Flash or Leta?, I think we will find out soon
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