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On June 11 2008 06:03 ScarFace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2008 18:31 raga4ka wrote:On June 10 2008 07:12 ScarFace wrote:On June 09 2008 07:41 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On June 09 2008 02:47 ScarFace wrote:
Yup, GSL should not be factored at all. Its not a legitimate league. I don't even watch it, because of that. The GSL should be considered as much as any other random special event tourny, as in, not much at all. Some of the GSI games have been amazing, that's a pretty shitty reason not to watch it. The GSI was a legitimate event. And yes, GSL should count, but not drastically. Its such a convoluted mess that many top tier players could [and I think have?] get eliminated before they should have, and its not even a real starleague. If a player does shit in the GSL, but alright in PL or osl/msl, he should not drop. On that same measure, if someone does great in the GSL but mediocre everywhere else, he should not rise. GSL should never be a deciding factor, more of a "icing on the cake" sort of thing. Well if it wasn't for GSI last season JD would have been # 1 back then and not Flash ... OSL/MSL> GSI tipped the balance. Read the damn PR next time, it is even specifically stated.
I know what the PR said back then , i'm telling you what the truth is . JD was a freaking god back then even if Flash managed to beat him in OSL and JD did not respond well to the mech build on katrina. If it wasn't for flash's brilliant play in the GSI , JD would have been # 1 .I know that OSL/MSL>GSI but that did not play much of a big factor back then , especially not as much as Flash's rapeing all big shots in that tournament .
As for the Gomtv Avaretec Intel Classic no one is takeing seriously as the GSI.
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LOLZ everyone hates backho so much, no one even wants to mention him =P he did 2-0 kal in GSL, i'm not arguing for him or anything, but i think its funny that he gets 0 recognition for even being lucky, poor kid.
anyway, i would put Midas in CBNC, and jangbi as well (even tho i dislike him)
i also agree with what a lot of people are saying about Mind, he's placed too low, he is very very consistent, and only takes losses from players that are really better than him (ie Flash, JD, Best, etc) at the same time he can beat these players on a regular basis, i think his even win-loss ratio really reflects his ability to contend with the best. Much, on the other hand, is very inconsistent, and has played MUCH easier opponents (sorry about that =) ) I don't know if i would change the ranking itself though, since Much did beat Mind for the OSLRo8 spot, i ono,
All in all, i feel that all the ranks 4-10 are kinda sketchy, and trivial at the same time. ATM no one can compete with Flash, JD, and Best, thats all that really matters.
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On June 11 2008 06:18 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2008 06:03 ScarFace wrote:On June 10 2008 18:31 raga4ka wrote:On June 10 2008 07:12 ScarFace wrote:On June 09 2008 07:41 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On June 09 2008 02:47 ScarFace wrote:
Yup, GSL should not be factored at all. Its not a legitimate league. I don't even watch it, because of that. The GSL should be considered as much as any other random special event tourny, as in, not much at all. Some of the GSI games have been amazing, that's a pretty shitty reason not to watch it. The GSI was a legitimate event. And yes, GSL should count, but not drastically. Its such a convoluted mess that many top tier players could [and I think have?] get eliminated before they should have, and its not even a real starleague. If a player does shit in the GSL, but alright in PL or osl/msl, he should not drop. On that same measure, if someone does great in the GSL but mediocre everywhere else, he should not rise. GSL should never be a deciding factor, more of a "icing on the cake" sort of thing. Well if it wasn't for GSI last season JD would have been # 1 back then and not Flash ... OSL/MSL> GSI tipped the balance. Read the damn PR next time, it is even specifically stated. I know what the PR said back then , i'm telling you what the truth is . JD was a freaking god back then even if Flash managed to beat him in OSL and JD did not respond well to the mech build on katrina. If it wasn't for flash's brilliant play in the GSI , JD would have been # 1 .I know that OSL/MSL>GSI but that did not play much of a big factor back then , especially not as much as Flash's rapeing all big shots in that tournament . As for the Gomtv Avaretec Intel Classic no one is takeing seriously as the GSI. As I said, the GSI and his amazing performance pushed him over the edge, he would not have otherwise. Look for example Stork, besides getting second place in the GSI he still dropped, because he was not playing to his full potential else where- though he did the GSI final, again, as noted in the PR. GSI/GSL do have weight, more than PL, but they are the decider only when its a close call, or its something extreme [i.e flash's near undefeated stint through the GSI]
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I think Mind is placed low too, but who cares? He'll rise in the PR next month if he's strong. PR imo isn't just a list of the most skilled players, but considers the dynamics of who's going up and down, it guesses and whatnot, and turns out right more often than not.
I also think Jangbi should also be on the close but no cigar if not the PR itself.
Why do people like Lucifer?
Who the hell is Pure?
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On June 06 2008 11:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Light is TERRIBLE.
you just became my favorite mod.
also glad to see nada back on PR, while jangbi getting the hell out.
mm..... something's bothering me about the list, but i can't think of it right now.
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On June 12 2008 15:39 goldenkrnboi wrote:you just became my favorite mod. also glad to see nada back on PR, while jangbi getting the hell out. mm..... something's bothering me about the list, but i can't think of it right now.
Maybe the fact that Pure's streak on PL is the only considered, while Lucifer's streak is not and Lucifer was in two leagues at the time PR was made?
Just my two cents
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On June 12 2008 23:42 Phradamon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2008 15:39 goldenkrnboi wrote:On June 06 2008 11:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Light is TERRIBLE.
you just became my favorite mod. also glad to see nada back on PR, while jangbi getting the hell out. mm..... something's bothering me about the list, but i can't think of it right now. Maybe the fact that Pure's streak on PL is the only considered, while Lucifer's streak is not and Lucifer was in two leagues at the time PR was made? Just my two cents
It is maybe that they both don't belong here 
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On June 12 2008 23:42 Phradamon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2008 15:39 goldenkrnboi wrote:On June 06 2008 11:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Light is TERRIBLE.
you just became my favorite mod. also glad to see nada back on PR, while jangbi getting the hell out. mm..... something's bothering me about the list, but i can't think of it right now. Maybe the fact that Pure's streak on PL is the only considered, while Lucifer's streak is not and Lucifer was in two leagues at the time PR was made? Just my two cents
How many times am I going to address this? If you simply look at who has won how many games over what period of time, you shouldn't be posting in the Power Rank thread. Pure is a MUCH stronger player than Lucifer. Watch some games once in a while, would you?
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I mean really, what do you think I do all day when I'm working on the Power Rank? You think I just arbitrarily choose one player who is doing well in ProLeague and slap him in the tenth spot? There are reasons and justifications for every player's rank. Lucifer is not ranked because he isn't one of the ten strongest players right now. Pure is ranked because he is.
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And exactly who were those players that Pure beat on his way to PR?
Coz Lucifer beat Nada (who is on PR), Hwasin (who is on PR)
Who beat Pure? Oh no... he was beat by Bisu, the guy with injured hand?
And what about their games? You said Lucifer wasnt close to Pure as good, but did you see his stellar dt's? Or his wins on GSL?
Get real ...
I mean, for Best it counts he beats Flash (higher than him on PR), but for Lucifer doesnt count. Also doesnt count he was on two leagues. It only counts for Much but not for him
Do you see the irony?
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On June 13 2008 19:44 Phradamon wrote:
And exactly who were those players that Pure beat on his way to PR?
Coz Lucifer beat Nada (who is on PR), Hwasin (who is on PR)
Who beat Pure? Oh no... he was beat by Bisu, the guy with injured hand?
And what about their games? You said Lucifer wasnt close to Pure as good, but did you see his stellar dt's? Or his wins on GSL?
Get real ...
I mean, for Best it counts he beats Flash (higher than him on PR), but for Lucifer doesnt count. Also doesnt count he was on two leagues. It only counts for Much but not for him
Do you see the irony?
i saw the irony of him loseing 2 gates to a 12 hatchery with the first 6 zerglings not used to defendt by JD
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 13 2008 19:44 Phradamon wrote:
And exactly who were those players that Pure beat on his way to PR?
Coz Lucifer beat Nada (who is on PR), Hwasin (who is on PR)
Who beat Pure? Oh no... he was beat by Bisu, the guy with injured hand?
And what about their games? You said Lucifer wasnt close to Pure as good, but did you see his stellar dt's? Or his wins on GSL?
Get real ...
I mean, for Best it counts he beats Flash (higher than him on PR), but for Lucifer doesnt count. Also doesnt count he was on two leagues. It only counts for Much but not for him
Do you see the irony?
Do you watch StarCraft or do you just scour TLPD for numbers?
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Unless I'm mistaken about a different game why is everyone touting Lucifer's win over NaDa?
He went for a proxy DT and he nearly didn't pull it off. It was hardly magnificent lol.
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So what? It was a victory. Period. If people praise fast carriers for Best, why in the hell is something bad for Lucifer when he goes dt's?
@ FakeSteve
Yes, i watch and i have arguments for my posts, Your only answer is questioning me if i watch Starcraft games? Lol
I dont give a damn for counting posts, please make TL to show me with zero posts if its possible.
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On June 14 2008 00:05 Phradamon wrote:
So what? It was a victory. Period. If people praise fast carriers for Best, why in the hell is something bad for Lucifer when he goes dt's?
@ FakeSteve
Yes, i watch and i have arguments for my posts, Your only answer is questioning me if i watch Starcraft games? Lol
I dont give a damn for counting posts, please make TL to show me with zero posts if its possible.
If you cannot tell how clearly superior Best is to Lucifer from watching their games, you really don't have credentials to make an argument about the PR. It doesn't help to just look at statistics and judge them by who they beat. It also doesn't help to judge them by 1 play per game because doing 1 pimp thing per game while being mediocre for the rest of the game doesn't make him that great. Also, Lucifer's "stellar" DT's as you called them aren't that amazingly stellar. He'll get credits for being innovative enough to use them in that manner, but it's not like Best, if he wanted to use the same strategy, couldn't have pulled it off better. By contrast, Best actually used his carriers brilliantly (or so I hear) during that game against Flash, something Lucifer wouldn't have been able to do as well if he went for the same tactic. How do we know this? Extrapolating information based on watching their games and evaluating their overall play, not just a single one, and having the knowledge and insight to actually be able to TELL who is better. Best has clearly better mechanics and game sense, and things he doesn't aren't just 1-trick ponies that catch enemies off-guard. Lucifer by all means isn't bad in those departments, he just isn't as good.
Btw, why aren't you also pitching for Backho? I mean, look at who HE beat this month, makes Lucifer's achievement look like crap doesn't it? I mean, he beat Jaedong, Casy, Much AND Bisu. Plus, he's in OSL! Backho needs to be in the PR. The TLPD agrees with me, so I'm sure you do too.
But yes, did you actually watch the games? All of them? FS did, so go do the same, watch every game from Best, Lucifer, and Pure and then come back and try to make an argument that isn't just based on information obtained from live reports.
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I think its more about Lucifer only seeming to be able to win PvT's. Pure and Best are much better rounded than Lucifer is, you can't deny.
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next month, luxury needs to climb a few rungs for beating flash like that.
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On June 13 2008 10:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
I mean really, what do you think I do all day when I'm working on the Power Rank? You think I just arbitrarily choose one player who is doing well in ProLeague and slap him in the tenth spot? There are reasons and justifications for every player's rank. Lucifer is not ranked because he isn't one of the ten strongest players right now. Pure is ranked because he is. I think you just get really drunk and then you throw some dice to rank the players and write some random comments to justify the ranks.
Am I close?
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On June 14 2008 06:01 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2008 10:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
I mean really, what do you think I do all day when I'm working on the Power Rank? You think I just arbitrarily choose one player who is doing well in ProLeague and slap him in the tenth spot? There are reasons and justifications for every player's rank. Lucifer is not ranked because he isn't one of the ten strongest players right now. Pure is ranked because he is. I think you just get really drunk and then you throw some dice to rank the players and write some random comments to justify the ranks. Am I close?
hahaha 
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Luxury should be higher next month, even if he looses 1-2 to flash, the 1 game he just took from his is good enough to be pushed way the fuck up there. Such a great fucken game by luxury ^^
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