EPTGSL Finals Winner?
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Hulavuta
United States1252 Posts
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brokenLoL
United Kingdom419 Posts
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Esk23
United States447 Posts
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
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ackbar
United States94 Posts
He has to be the favorite at this point. | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On May 16 2012 08:00 brokenLoL wrote: Squirtle's PvT is not that good as demonstrated in his loss to aLive at IPL Losing to aLive doesn't mean that you're somehow "not that good" at a match-up, especially one that aLive is super dominant at while you're playing on the other side of the world from where you are used to playing. At that event he also beat Bomber, MKP, MMA and aLive in a Bo3 (in the finals). Then this GSL he's beaten MMA, Maru, and Taeja (granted as far as MMA and Taeja are concerned, I think that is their weakest match-up, but at the level of play that those guys are at "weakest match-up" doesn't mean bad). That being said I think Mvp is still the favorite just because he has more experience and will be able to deal with pressure better, but at the same time in a match-up like TvP crazy stuff can happen. While skill becomes more and more of a factor the later you go, the early game of TvP can often come down to build order. | ||
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NekoFlandre
United States497 Posts
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Jongl0
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brokenLoL
United Kingdom419 Posts
On May 16 2012 08:10 The Final Boss wrote: Losing to aLive doesn't mean that you're somehow "not that good" at a match-up, especially one that aLive is super dominant at while you're playing on the other side of the world from where you are used to playing. At that event he also beat Bomber, MKP, MMA and aLive in a Bo3 (in the finals). Then this GSL he's beaten MMA, Maru, and Taeja (granted as far as MMA and Taeja are concerned, I think that is their weakest match-up, but at the level of play that those guys are at "weakest match-up" doesn't mean bad). That being said I think Mvp is still the favorite just because he has more experience and will be able to deal with pressure better, but at the same time in a match-up like TvP crazy stuff can happen. While skill becomes more and more of a factor the later you go, the early game of TvP can often come down to build order. Didn't you read the article by Demuslim and incontrol? Protoss becomes significantly easier to play the later the game goes. | ||
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Wheva
United States13 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
Legend of the Spring inc | ||
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saltymango
United States120 Posts
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Berceno
Spain401 Posts
On May 16 2012 08:24 brokenLoL wrote: Didn't you read the article by Demuslim and incontrol? Protoss becomes significantly easier to play the later the game goes. seriously, did you undertood that article? | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
On May 16 2012 08:00 brokenLoL wrote: Squirtle's PvT is not that good as demonstrated in his loss to aLive at IPL Losing to aLive dosn't mean you have weak PvT... that's like saying losing to MVP means you're trash against terran as well... :l | ||
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jeeneeus
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Befree
695 Posts
That single matchup completely renewed my excitement in the Protoss race and made me a Squirtle fan to this day. I have hopes that this final will be able to match the innovation and beauty of that great GSTL match. Even with how much respect both of these players are given for their skill, I still consider them to be underrated. Please be the greatest final ever!! (GSTL Feb. 2011 Final, Match 8 is the game I'm talking about by the way) | ||
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
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doffe
Sweden636 Posts
On May 16 2012 08:24 brokenLoL wrote: Didn't you read the article by Demuslim and incontrol? Protoss becomes significantly easier to play the later the game goes. While I do not disagree with the point that protoss is significantly easier to play lategame then terran thats not entirly the point. Its more likely that skill has played a role in a longer game even so since its been alot more situations where skill comes into play. Sure, given that both players does nothing until 200 and then one engagement decides it skill probably wont play as much a role as a short one but how likely is that. I do feel the mu is broken in several ways but it does that a huge amount of skill to GET TO lategame against a player of MVPs caliber. probably more skill then 2raxing or something of the sort. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
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OrD_SC2
United States247 Posts
MVP is one of the best, but I think the bo7 series will push his injury past its breaking point. | ||
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Bismillah
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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niilzon
Belgium105 Posts
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Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
but it could go either way really, because i doubt squirtle will aim at the lategame as parting always wanted, instead i believe both players will confront each other with early-midgame timings, could be one hell of a watch wenn offense and defense blurs into one all-out-war. | ||
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Qwizzyx
Sweden44 Posts
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FrigolitH
134 Posts
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
On May 16 2012 17:13 endy wrote: Flash will be the first one winning 4 titles of a same Starleague. Not MVP. Brace yourselves! The flash fanbois are coming! | ||
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Kerwin
United States220 Posts
On May 16 2012 12:51 Dontkillme wrote: Rooting for MVP. I want a Terran Boss. Please redfine the matchup MVP plox. <3 You'll get your wish as long as you consider "1-base and 2-base all-ins / pressures" redefining the matchup  | ||
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babybell
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xxgeffxx
United States119 Posts
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JMDj
United States454 Posts
Mvp <Entombed Valley> Squirtle Mvp <Antiga Shipyard> Squirtle Mvp <Cloud Kingdom> Squirtle Mvp <Metropolis> Squirtle Mvp <Dual Sight> Squirtle Mvp <Atlantis Spaceship> Squirtle squirtle 4-2 | ||
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
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NKB
United Kingdom608 Posts
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Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
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-shArk-
Germany150 Posts
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YourGoodFriend
United States2197 Posts
On May 16 2012 08:24 brokenLoL wrote: Didn't you read the article by Demuslim and incontrol? Protoss becomes significantly easier to play the later the game goes. What he means is the mid game, and also just because two people say something doesn't mean that it is end all be all of the discussion. | ||
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IskarSC
Bulgaria2 Posts
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GAFFELTRUCK
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
A part of me does want to see MVP get another title, but not this time. | ||
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power-overwhelming
Canada306 Posts
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
On May 16 2012 07:58 plasmidghost wrote: Come on Squirtle, it's time to evolve into Blstoise! He'll have to evolve into Wartortle first. Sorry, maybe next season! MVP fighting! | ||
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Sakkreth
Lithuania1096 Posts
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GhostLink
United States450 Posts
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Lord_Maximus
Denmark46 Posts
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Exya
Canada54 Posts
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TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
On May 16 2012 08:14 NekoFlandre wrote: Rooting for MVP here. He needs his third. It would be his fourth GSL win. I am rooting for him as well. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On May 16 2012 12:34 Befree wrote: Do you guys remember the first GSTL final when Squirtle first faced MVP on Terminus? That was the best match I can remember seeing up to that point and still one of the greatest I've seen to this point. At a time when 2 base colossus seemed to be the only thing any protoss was doing, Squirtle came out with this amazing hallucination/immortal/high templar usage and slowly picked apart MVP's amazing macro in a long epic match, beating the greatest Terran in the world (only to lose the ace match to the greatest zerg in the world, sadly). That single matchup completely renewed my excitement in the Protoss race and made me a Squirtle fan to this day. I have hopes that this final will be able to match the innovation and beauty of that great GSTL match. Even with how much respect both of these players are given for their skill, I still consider them to be underrated. Please be the greatest final ever!! (GSTL Feb. 2011 Final, Match 8 is the game I'm talking about by the way) I remember like it was yesterday. This was the only thing I'd ever bought a season ticket for just for Squirtle's GSTL run and the match vs mvp. I feel like MVP probably remembers too and has a score to settle, which makes this all the more exciting. | ||
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zumpy
United States122 Posts
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
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CrappyHippo
Canada275 Posts
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kyllinghest
Norway1607 Posts
On May 17 2012 04:10 power-overwhelming wrote: MVP won't be able to cheese his way out of a bo7. Sorry Terran/MVP fanboys but Squirtle is going to just pure outclass MVP. 4-0 Im pretty sure class isn't something MVP is lacking in sc2 man, those three GSL titles kinda proves a point. Squirtle might win sure, but one does not simply outclass MVP. | ||
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snively
United States1159 Posts
On May 16 2012 07:58 plasmidghost wrote: Come on Squirtle, it's time to evolve into Blstoise! this would be a better first post if you spelled blastoise right | ||
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NET
United States703 Posts
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MadNeSs
Denmark1507 Posts
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
On May 16 2012 07:58 plasmidghost wrote: Come on Squirtle, it's time to evolve into Blstoise! Blatant ignorance of Wartortle. I disapprove. | ||
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krnboyxjin
United States98 Posts
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Raiquer
Sweden98 Posts
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
Squirtle might be the "better" player depending on definition, but he cannot take MVP in a bo7. | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
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HououinKyouma
Australia152 Posts
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
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Winterfrozz
Sweden357 Posts
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
On May 16 2012 08:00 brokenLoL wrote: Squirtle's PvT is not that good as demonstrated in his loss to aLive at IPL This statement is absolutely ridiculous. He went toe to toe with aLive (one of the better TvPers in the world, mind you) and beat several more top-class Terrans on the way to the finals, including a 3-0 victory of TaeJa. | ||
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benKji
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On May 16 2012 08:14 NekoFlandre wrote: Rooting for MVP here. He needs his third. Fourth. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
On May 16 2012 20:39 Swagasaurus wrote: Mvp <Daybreak> Squirtle Mvp <Entombed Valley> Squirtle Mvp <Antiga Shipyard> Squirtle Mvp <Cloud Kingdom> Squirtle Mvp <Metropolis> Squirtle Mvp <Dual Sight> Squirtle Mvp <Atlantis Spaceship> Squirtle squirtle 4-2 I like this, although I think due to the short rush distance, MVP will try a 1-1-1 on Dual Sight or something like that, win, and then take the series to a game 7. Atlantis Spaceship is a big map though, so Squirtle should win that one in a long macro game. | ||
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
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loginn
France815 Posts
MVP Fighting though ! | ||
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SCVarsity
United States4 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
I don't really want either of them to win, but i think mvp. | ||
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AveranceEU
Germany23 Posts
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
It's destined. | ||
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CeriseCherries
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
On May 16 2012 11:38 Catatonic wrote: Losing to aLive dosn't mean you have weak PvT... that's like saying losing to MVP means you're trash against terran as well... :l Losing to Alive means your not GREAT versus terran. Beating Parting does mean you have GREAT TvP. | ||
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Aserrin
Uruguay231 Posts
On May 18 2012 00:42 kochanfe wrote: This statement is absolutely ridiculous. He went toe to toe with aLive (one of the better TvPers in the world, mind you) and beat several more top-class Terrans on the way to the finals, including a 3-0 victory of TaeJa. TaeJa himself said that his TvP is awful. Some time ago he got so mad at his TvP that he played an entire korean weekly using random every time he faced protoss. And this, two terran nerfs/protoss buffs after that time, doesn't seem to have changed for the better. What I mean is that beating TaeJa in PvT isn't a huge success. At all. He's not the best T, and nowhere near the best TvPers. 3-0ing TaeJa doesn't mean anything considering he'll be up against Mvp. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On May 17 2012 06:21 TheSwamp wrote: It would be his fourth GSL win. I am rooting for him as well. I'm rooting for Squirtle's third personally, if you get my drift.  | ||
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INTOtheVOID
United States225 Posts
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SecondHand
United States329 Posts
On May 16 2012 12:23 jeeneeus wrote: I liquibetted against MVP the last two rounds, which were the only times I've ever liquibetted against him. I've learned my lesson. damn right | ||
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Cylluus
United States153 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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hangene92
Canada258 Posts
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HonorZ
France858 Posts
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
MVP has the mental edge but Squirtle is currently the better player !_! | ||
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wolferick
Belgium13 Posts
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og8456
Korea (South)26 Posts
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SKiller
Poland39 Posts
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quaffle
United States249 Posts
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UnRivaled.
United States18 Posts
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metho
Germany28 Posts
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TenJin`Lucian
Costa Rica158 Posts
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Lord_Maximus
Denmark46 Posts
On May 18 2012 10:25 Luepert wrote: Losing to Alive means your not GREAT versus terran. Beating Parting does mean you have GREAT TvP. Cheesing out Parting in one bo5 doesn't make you a GREAT TvP'er. Squirtle, while not historically a very good PvT player, has torn most terrans up lately | ||
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plutonowy
Afghanistan287 Posts
im going for Squirtle Ya will see | ||
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Fogger
United States55 Posts
On May 19 2012 05:53 Lord_Maximus wrote: Cheesing out Parting in one bo5 doesn't make you a GREAT TvP'er. Squirtle, while not historically a very good PvT player, has torn most terrans up lately ^ This. While MVP has beaten some of the best (if not the best) protoss players lately he has not done it super convincingly doing a couple of cheeses to take the matches. Furthermore Parting mostly wins in the late game and against MVP he only got there once (and won). MVP did win but he did so doing some major risks. Major risks i'm sure squirtle will be prepared for. Standard vs standard squirtle wins easy. Only chance mvp has is the 1 base/2base all ins (i dont think he is comfortable against protoss in the late game). I think squirtle takes it but who knows mvp is pretty unpredictable and good at playing mind games. | ||
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liberal
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LytR
Canada75 Posts
MVP has taken out some arguably superior PvT players in the RO8 and RO4. I think MVP should be able to secure his 4th title tonight. | ||
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Dyme
Germany523 Posts
MVP will cheese a few games off him, but not quite enough. It will be a typical GSL final. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
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DaveVAH
Canada162 Posts
On May 18 2012 07:50 Whatson wrote: MVP It's destined. It is known. Mvp 4-2 | ||
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undyinglight
United States611 Posts
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polyphonyEX
United States2539 Posts
On May 18 2012 07:50 Whatson wrote: MVP It's destined. Squirtle 4-0 MVP | ||
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Gihi
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[aNti]
Sweden4 Posts
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DE4DhunTer
22 Posts
On May 16 2012 07:58 plasmidghost wrote: Come on Squirtle, it's time to evolve into Blstoise! Wartortle then Blastoise. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On May 21 2012 13:28 Gummy wrote: I voted after the match ended. *laughs villainously* i voted squirtle after the match ended! edit: cause I'm too cool for your stupid polls mwhahahaha | ||
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iiGreetings
Canada563 Posts
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j1nzo
Germany367 Posts
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Maserati
Canada12 Posts
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Belgium2048 Posts
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