I don't know how to say this (I don't want to) but JangBi might return to PR since I can remember. I might be hallucinating that JangBi is actually doing moderately well.

oldgregg

New Zealand1176 Posts

June 17 2011 02:18 GMT

#264

yea jangbi is doing pretty well lately

Dakkas

2550 Posts

June 17 2011 02:26 GMT

#265

Sorry but his fellow paewang, Best is doing even better. If Jangbi somehow gets a position on the PR then it will have to be below Best

flamewheel

FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts

June 17 2011 03:37 GMT

#266

And Horang2 is doing even better.

hacklebeast

United States5090 Posts

June 17 2011 03:45 GMT

#267

On June 17 2011 12:37 flamewheel wrote:
And Horang2 is doing even better.

Horang has a win over current form JD and Bisu, but the rest of his wins are all over scrubs. After best's 2 flash wins he at least has some against other good players mind, bogus, and really.

And if we restrict it to just this month (as I think we should) than horang really is only playing the bottom of the barrel.

Mortality

United States4790 Posts

June 17 2011 05:36 GMT

#268

If we restrict ourselves to just this month then who exactly is Jaedong again?

The fallacy of the "let's restrict ourselves to just this month" argument is that you aren't restricting yourself to just this month: you are judging Horang2's opponents entirely by their past accomplishments. If we restrict ourselves to just this month then Horang2 is 4-0 against players who are 2-2, 0-1, 0-1 and 1-1 respectively. To give a comparison, Jaehoon is 4-0 against players who are 0-3, 0-1, 0-2, and 2-1. By this standard, there is no difference between beating Midas and beating Lazy (both of whom are 0-1 on the month).

PR ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS HAS TO BE REPEATED AGAIN looks at results in the context of history and qualitative in-game performance. Otherwise there is NO POINT AT ALL to having this ranking.

And here's Horang2's recent history:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=630&part=games&vs=all&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2011&from_month=3&from_day=8&to_year=2011&to_month=6&to_day=14&action=Update

Which puts priority on Horang2 over Best or Jaehoon.

hacklebeast

United States5090 Posts

June 17 2011 06:34 GMT

#269

On June 17 2011 14:36 Mortality wrote:
looks at results in the context of history and qualitative in-game performance. Otherwise there is NO POINT AT ALL to having this ranking.

Well, in the context of history, Best is most known for being an OSL finalist, and Horang2 is known for being the guy with a number in his name.

In game performance: Best's macro is one of the most beautiful things ever seen in a starcraft game. Horang's style is nondescript enough for me to not have anything to write here.

And If you are going to arbitrarily say that 3 months is recent, then I'm going to arbitrarily say 3 years is recent. Therefore best has a better record.

TwoToneTerran

United States8841 Posts

June 17 2011 07:47 GMT

#270

Ahaha, you just called Horang2 nondescript. That is the biggest joke I've ever seen.

Also yes, Best was good 3 years ago and Horang2 was good 3 months ago, clearly best is the superior player.

Dakkas

2550 Posts

June 17 2011 08:12 GMT

#271

After watching what Best did in the Pro-Am games...........he betrays me like this. I had so much faith in him as well

zlosynus

Czech Republic339 Posts

June 17 2011 10:41 GMT

#272

On June 17 2011 03:27 gostunv wrote:

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W..... T..... F.......

someone should slap you upside the head for this.

obviously Yellow should be placed in the NUMBER TWO spot!

Actually, I would put him as number one. He really deserves this spot in his career, at least once. It is quite sad that KT could not win him gold in the WL finals.

b0lt

United States790 Posts

June 17 2011 13:50 GMT

#273

On June 16 2011 13:47 Mortality wrote:
A class / S class isn't just about % wins, especially not when you're considering a sample size of 10 games or less. Even if you win only 30% of your games the probability that you will go on a 10 game win streak over a career of 100 games is surprisingly high.

It's 4%

Crisium

United States1618 Posts

June 17 2011 15:05 GMT

#274

So how will Bisu being terrible in the OSL prelims hurt his placement? I mean it's now downright shameful how bad he is in individual leagues.

hacklebeast

United States5090 Posts

June 17 2011 15:10 GMT

#275

On June 17 2011 16:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Ahaha, you just called Horang2 nondescript. That is the biggest joke I've ever seen.

Also yes, Best was good 3 years ago and Horang2 was good 3 months ago, clearly best is the superior player.

How would you describe his play?

Also yes, Horang2 was good 3 months ago and best is good now, clearly horang2 is the superior player.

Crisium

United States1618 Posts

June 17 2011 15:15 GMT

#276

They are both good now and both deserve a shot. They both failed in the OSL, but actually only 4 of the current 10 PR players have made it to the final 28 OSL players left.

Holgerius

Sweden16951 Posts

June 17 2011 16:43 GMT

#277

This should definitely have some effect on Bisu's rank. There's no ''He would've gone all the way if he hadn't been forced to play Flash twice'' excuse here, is there? His strongest match-up, relatively bad player, Bo3.

On the other hand, which players are showing consistency enough to be placed above him?

DarkMatter_

Canada1774 Posts

June 17 2011 18:45 GMT

#278

n.Die_soO probably deserves a spot. He made it out of the OSL qualifiers and he's got a Perfect PL record with victories against (P)

Stats and

Stork.

Same with (T)

BaBy and

JangBi.

Holgerius

Sweden16951 Posts

June 17 2011 18:51 GMT

#279

Can't believe Mr. Jangbang is back to being a contender for a PR spot.

Makes me happy.

Mortality

United States4790 Posts

June 17 2011 19:11 GMT

#280

On June 17 2011 15:34 hacklebeast wrote:

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Well, in the context of history, Best is most known for being an OSL finalist, and Horang2 is known for being the guy with a number in his name.

How many YEARS ago was Best a finalist?

In the context of history Best has just broken from the worst slump of his career and had been an inch away from retirement. In the context of history, Best has only shown us that his strongest match has returned to form.

In the context of history, Horang2 has been a ferocious sniper who is now showing dominance in a second match.

And If you are going to arbitrarily say that 3 months is recent, then I'm going to arbitrarily say 3 years is recent. Therefore best has a better record.

Engage in fan wank elsewhere please. I like Best -- I argued for him on PR more than 3 years ago. But if you think the Best of today has proven himself to be the same as the Best of Ever 08 OSL then you are sadly delusional.

On June 18 2011 00:10 hacklebeast wrote:

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How would you describe his play?

Also yes, Horang2 was good 3 months ago and best is good now, clearly horang2 is the superior player.

Horang2 is 4-0 so far this month, 9-1 in his last 10 games. Do you even pay attention to progaming at all?