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bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
January 02 2011 13:30 GMT
#161
(Z)Action
I like Action, I really do. He was my favorite player to watch on eSTRO, and it hurt to watch him fail so hard early on in the season. Thankfully, it seems like Action is regaining a bit of momentum. He 2-0ed his MSL group containing Sea and ZerO and he's starting to play better in Proleague (handing Bisu his second loss of the season), so perhaps we'll be seeing a bit more Action hype later on in this season.


Action didn't 2-0 out of his group. Zero did.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
January 02 2011 15:18 GMT
#162
Great read and great power rank!

GOGO BISU

happy new year all
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
plan3t
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada75 Posts
January 02 2011 16:11 GMT
#163
Now, I've always been a Protoss player.
When I first started getting big into the Starcraft proscene, my favorite players were, right away, Stork and Bisu. That was probably back in early 2008.
I've watched them go through their ups and downs over the years (and man have the two had their share of both) and seeing them both at the top pleases the young Protoss fanboy in me.
These guys were the first pro players who I really attached myself at and seeing them play as well as they ever had is amazing.
I love this month's rankings so fucking much.
STORK FIGHTING~
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 16:49:02
January 02 2011 16:42 GMT
#164
this is a rather ridiculous power rankings. the sample size is too small to warrant drastic revaluing of true talent level.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 02 2011 16:51 GMT
#165
Since when has the PR been about ''true talent level''?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 16:59:18
January 02 2011 16:54 GMT
#166
true talent level determines expected wins. so if it's about the power of winning games, then true talent level is the obvious measure of choice.

the idea here is that there shouldn't be a drastic change of one's evaluation of a player's strength just based on a handful of games.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
night terrors
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China1284 Posts
January 02 2011 17:04 GMT
#167
But then the power rank would almost never feature changes? When should, for example, Flash be dropped then?
Through high and low, bisu boy, through high and low.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 17:10:18
January 02 2011 17:09 GMT
#168
that's not true at all. power rank should indeed weigh recent performance more, so volatility is still there because players fall in and out of form quite often.

flash is a special case because his strength is rather far away from everyone else. if he goes from .750 to .600, it may still be the highest rating. of course, if flash does indeed slump or decline hard enough, then he won't be having the highest expected wins.

suppose you are a betting man. do you bet according to this power rankings? i'd think not.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 17:23:30
January 02 2011 17:17 GMT
#169
Is true talent losing in every matchup and being eliminated from both leagues?

7 of the 10 were here last month. No one moved more than 5 spaces. What a sad state of affairs when dropping 4 places is "drastic". The fact that he failed in the Ro16 and Ro32 and still kept top 5 is a testament that his true talent is being considered. Sea made dual Ro8 last season and never got higher than number 5. Flash is getting a hell of a bone for "true talent".
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
4vvhiplash7
Profile Joined December 2010
South Africa392 Posts
January 02 2011 17:27 GMT
#170
Flash... Good to see Kal where he is!
-dash
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands103 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 17:44:27
January 02 2011 17:38 GMT
#171
On January 03 2011 02:09 oneofthem wrote:
that's not true at all. power rank should indeed weigh recent performance more, so volatility is still there because players fall in and out of form quite often.

flash is a special case because his strength is rather far away from everyone else. if he goes from .750 to .600, it may still be the highest rating. of course, if flash does indeed slump or decline hard enough, then he won't be having the highest expected wins.

suppose you are a betting man. do you bet according to this power rankings? i'd think not.


The Power Rank isn't indicative of what is to come, but, instead, shows us what has been. It's not that hard, people.
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2229 Posts
January 02 2011 17:43 GMT
#172
Good power rank, but anyway if you ask which player is able to beat flash in Bo5, then the answer is pretty much still the same as during the whole last year...
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Hazard
Profile Joined September 2009
Norway594 Posts
January 02 2011 18:11 GMT
#173
On January 03 2011 02:43 johanes wrote:
Good power rank, but anyway if you ask which player is able to beat flash in Bo5, then the answer is pretty much still the same as during the whole last year...
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Ye it's same with Hyuk man - nobody beat him in the BO5, just those BO3 and mostly groups.
"Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
January 02 2011 19:57 GMT
#174
Just so everyone is clear, the original purpose of the Power Rank was to measure hotness. This has mostly been interpreted as "who is the strongest player right now" or "based on recent results, who would you choose to win a bo5."

I also on general principle advocate this kind of interpretation, because any player no matter how skilled can experience bumps in the road. But the significance of those bumps is something that also must be taken into consideration. Let's ignore last season and all the other season before. What's a more significant bump in the road: a proleague loss or a Starleague loss that prevents advancement to the next round?

League advancement has always been a critical element of Power Rank. Always. In large part because it measures skill, but also because Starleague and SPL Playoffs (not regular season) are where glory is found.

Flash will not be finding glory this season. No matter how much that upsets you, it's the truth. Flash set a new record for worst drop in Starleague performance from one season to the next. Right now, Flash is not very hot.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 02 2011 20:53 GMT
#175
what a lovely PR. i absolutely love it. :D
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 21:03:44
January 02 2011 21:00 GMT
#176
Flash dominates everything for a year but he still lost games here and there, its only natural since 70-80% winratio isn't 100%.
This time the games he lost mattered, but he didn't fall to preassure he just happened to lose those games at the wrong time, coz we already know he doesn't fall to preassure.
It doesn't tell you that his skill has fallen or risen because the samplesize is too small. He would still be the favourite in a BoX against any of these until we get some proof that his skill has fallen lower than any of those above him on the ranking.

Ranking is fine though, this is how PR works. It doesn't always show the best player but the player who is doing better right now. Some off you might say well how can we know Flash is still better, well you can't but you surely can't say those above him are better based on a few losses that will occur soner or later when you play bw.

I just want to point this out because some of you are talking as if Flash is slumping or something which is yet definately not the case. If he keeps his ratio up, he simply had very bad luck with his loss-timings this time.

I'm actually abit glad Flash is out because it gets abit more exiting that way...

According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
January 02 2011 22:20 GMT
#177
You gotta relax it bro, Calm's winning the MSL.
TranslatorBaa!
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
January 02 2011 23:10 GMT
#178
A lot of the confusion in PR threads seems to be caused by the fact that it is really mislabeled. Perhaps it should be renamed to the TL Top 10, or the Who's Hot Chart, or something. I think for many people the word "Power" has nothing to do with who's on a hot streak right now. Instead, many (most?) feel that the more "Powerful" player is the one that would be favoured to win an imaginary best of 10000 series in a given month based on perception of past performance (of course there will be a lot of disagreement there too, especially past the first few spots).

While it is true that there is often an overlap between the most powerful players and those doing particularly well in a given month, often there is some divergence and that's when the discussions get most heated.
Creator of LoLTool.
gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
January 02 2011 23:45 GMT
#179
On January 01 2011 14:50 Black Gun wrote:
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On January 01 2011 14:39 ymir233 wrote:
Although I lament for JD's fall, Birdnests (new name for Stork's carriers) can apparently carry up to 12 interceptors. I think Bisu will overtake Stork if Bisu's epic "make as little mistakes as possible" starsense comes into play. Never forgot that one (I think MSL?) game with Stork in white and Bisu in yellow where Bisu just kept taking the high, kept storming better, kept taking the little advantages while he could and rolled Stork. Such a good player when up to it.




i think u mean game 5 of their msl finals, on loki. the best pvp of all times.



afaik stork forgot to research goon range in that one, which made him lose all the early game skirmishes slightly, which then snowballed into a bisu win.

yeah and remember that osl where storks reaver micro out shined bisu, and he had better builds and timings?
Its not so easy to call one way or the other
Taek Bang
kefkaesque
Profile Joined September 2010
United States34 Posts
January 02 2011 23:51 GMT
#180
Glad to see my man FBH at least got a shout out, he's really just getting better and better, I really hope he makes it to the actual top 10 some day.
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