Action
I like Action, I really do. He was my favorite player to watch on eSTRO, and it hurt to watch him fail so hard early on in the season. Thankfully, it seems like Action is regaining a bit of momentum. He 2-0ed his MSL group containing Sea and ZerO and he's starting to play better in Proleague (handing Bisu his second loss of the season), so perhaps we'll be seeing a bit more Action hype later on in this season.

Action didn't 2-0 out of his group. Zero did.

Grettin

42381 Posts

January 02 2011 15:18 GMT

#162

Great read and great power rank!

GOGO BISU

happy new year all

plan3t

Canada75 Posts

January 02 2011 16:11 GMT

#163

Now, I've always been a Protoss player.
When I first started getting big into the Starcraft proscene, my favorite players were, right away, Stork and Bisu. That was probably back in early 2008.
I've watched them go through their ups and downs over the years (and man have the two had their share of both) and seeing them both at the top pleases the young Protoss fanboy in me.
These guys were the first pro players who I really attached myself at and seeing them play as well as they ever had is amazing.
I love this month's rankings so fucking much.
STORK FIGHTING~

oneofthem

Cayman Islands24199 Posts

January 02 2011 16:42 GMT

#164

this is a rather ridiculous power rankings. the sample size is too small to warrant drastic revaluing of true talent level.

Holgerius

Sweden16951 Posts

January 02 2011 16:51 GMT

#165

Since when has the PR been about ''true talent level''?

oneofthem

Cayman Islands24199 Posts

January 02 2011 16:54 GMT

#166

true talent level determines expected wins. so if it's about the power of winning games, then true talent level is the obvious measure of choice.

the idea here is that there shouldn't be a drastic change of one's evaluation of a player's strength just based on a handful of games.

night terrors

China1284 Posts

January 02 2011 17:04 GMT

#167

But then the power rank would almost never feature changes? When should, for example, Flash be dropped then?

oneofthem

Cayman Islands24199 Posts

January 02 2011 17:09 GMT

#168

that's not true at all. power rank should indeed weigh recent performance more, so volatility is still there because players fall in and out of form quite often.

flash is a special case because his strength is rather far away from everyone else. if he goes from .750 to .600, it may still be the highest rating. of course, if flash does indeed slump or decline hard enough, then he won't be having the highest expected wins.

suppose you are a betting man. do you bet according to this power rankings? i'd think not.

Crisium

United States1618 Posts

January 02 2011 17:17 GMT

#169

Is true talent losing in every matchup and being eliminated from both leagues?

7 of the 10 were here last month. No one moved more than 5 spaces. What a sad state of affairs when dropping 4 places is "drastic". The fact that he failed in the Ro16 and Ro32 and still kept top 5 is a testament that his true talent is being considered. Sea made dual Ro8 last season and never got higher than number 5. Flash is getting a hell of a bone for "true talent".

4vvhiplash7

South Africa392 Posts

January 02 2011 17:27 GMT

#170

Flash...

Good to see Kal where he is!

-dash

Netherlands103 Posts

January 02 2011 17:38 GMT

#171

On January 03 2011 02:09 oneofthem wrote:
that's not true at all. power rank should indeed weigh recent performance more, so volatility is still there because players fall in and out of form quite often.

flash is a special case because his strength is rather far away from everyone else. if he goes from .750 to .600, it may still be the highest rating. of course, if flash does indeed slump or decline hard enough, then he won't be having the highest expected wins.

suppose you are a betting man. do you bet according to this power rankings? i'd think not.

The Power Rank isn't indicative of what is to come, but, instead, shows us what has been. It's not that hard, people.

johanes

Czech Republic2229 Posts

January 02 2011 17:43 GMT

#172

Good power rank, but anyway if you ask which player is able to beat flash in Bo5, then the answer is pretty much still the same as during the whole last year...
+ Show Spoiler +

Hazard

Norway594 Posts

January 02 2011 18:11 GMT

#173

On January 03 2011 02:43 johanes wrote:
Good power rank, but anyway if you ask which player is able to beat flash in Bo5, then the answer is pretty much still the same as during the whole last year...
+ Show Spoiler +

Ye it's same with Hyuk man - nobody beat him in the BO5, just those BO3 and mostly groups.

Mortality

United States4790 Posts

January 02 2011 19:57 GMT

#174

Just so everyone is clear, the original purpose of the Power Rank was to measure hotness. This has mostly been interpreted as "who is the strongest player right now" or "based on recent results, who would you choose to win a bo5."

I also on general principle advocate this kind of interpretation, because any player no matter how skilled can experience bumps in the road. But the significance of those bumps is something that also must be taken into consideration. Let's ignore last season and all the other season before. What's a more significant bump in the road: a proleague loss or a Starleague loss that prevents advancement to the next round?

League advancement has always been a critical element of Power Rank. Always. In large part because it measures skill, but also because Starleague and SPL Playoffs (not regular season) are where glory is found.

Flash will not be finding glory this season. No matter how much that upsets you, it's the truth. Flash set a new record for worst drop in Starleague performance from one season to the next. Right now, Flash is not very hot.

Kenpachi

United States9908 Posts

January 02 2011 20:53 GMT

#175

what a lovely PR. i absolutely love it. :D

StylishVODs

Sweden5331 Posts

January 02 2011 21:00 GMT

#176

Flash dominates everything for a year but he still lost games here and there, its only natural since 70-80% winratio isn't 100%.
This time the games he lost mattered, but he didn't fall to preassure he just happened to lose those games at the wrong time, coz we already know he doesn't fall to preassure.
It doesn't tell you that his skill has fallen or risen because the samplesize is too small. He would still be the favourite in a BoX against any of these until we get some proof that his skill has fallen lower than any of those above him on the ranking.

Ranking is fine though, this is how PR works. It doesn't always show the best player but the player who is doing better right now. Some off you might say well how can we know Flash is still better, well you can't but you surely can't say those above him are better based on a few losses that will occur soner or later when you play bw.

I just want to point this out because some of you are talking as if Flash is slumping or something which is yet definately not the case. If he keeps his ratio up, he simply had very bad luck with his loss-timings this time.

I'm actually abit glad Flash is out because it gets abit more exiting that way...

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21244 Posts

January 02 2011 22:20 GMT

#177

You gotta relax it bro, Calm's winning the MSL.

Goragoth

New Zealand1065 Posts

January 02 2011 23:10 GMT

#178

A lot of the confusion in PR threads seems to be caused by the fact that it is really mislabeled. Perhaps it should be renamed to the TL Top 10, or the Who's Hot Chart, or something. I think for many people the word "Power" has nothing to do with who's on a hot streak right now. Instead, many (most?) feel that the more "Powerful" player is the one that would be favoured to win an imaginary best of 10000 series in a given month based on perception of past performance (of course there will be a lot of disagreement there too, especially past the first few spots).

While it is true that there is often an overlap between the most powerful players and those doing particularly well in a given month, often there is some divergence and that's when the discussions get most heated.

gk_ender

United States717 Posts

January 02 2011 23:45 GMT

#179

On January 01 2011 14:50 Black Gun wrote:

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i think u mean game 5 of their msl finals, on loki. the best pvp of all times.

afaik stork forgot to research goon range in that one, which made him lose all the early game skirmishes slightly, which then snowballed into a bisu win.

yeah and remember that osl where storks reaver micro out shined bisu, and he had better builds and timings?
Its not so easy to call one way or the other