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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9801 Posts
October 16 2010 17:29 GMT
#361
i want best to stop flash in the semis would be so epic ^^
boomer hands
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 16 2010 20:02 GMT
#362
On October 16 2010 19:44 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 18:55 blade55555 wrote:
On October 16 2010 18:38 Holgerius wrote:
On October 16 2010 18:09 SuperArc wrote:
On October 16 2010 18:05 Holgerius wrote:
Then do so in a less annoying way. Like, you didn't make a single comment in the LR-thread until KT lost when you all of a sudden came in and made a smug and sarcastic comment.


I am in uni, couldnt watch the games...

Aww, that sucks. PL is off to a great start! ^__^

Flash's ace game streak is quite intruiging. I'm not too bothered by it though; of course he's beatable in Bo1's when his opponent can prepare specifically for him (although losing that many in a row is remarkable). I fully expect him to be unstoppable in the Starleagues though (if there are any). ^__^ Unless he gets lazy.


So you would call it lazy if he lost in a starleague? Well I guess Jaedong is being super lazy lately.

I firmly believe, and I have evidence to back it up, that Flash is currently (and has been for the last year) the best player in the world. What I mean is I think it will remain that way, unless Flash gets arrogant and plays like he did vs Best today (which reminded me so much of how he played back in 08-09 when he kept losing to S-class tosses). If he doesn't underestimate his opponents, and still has motivation and inspiration, Flash will get dual golds once again IMO.


Ah well guess you'll be dissapointed Jaedong's coming back stronger then ever this season IMO if he plays Flash in the finals again he'll win but I have a feeling Flash won't make it to the finals again this season.
When I think of something else, something will go here
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
October 16 2010 23:17 GMT
#363
Lotta people said that last season after he beat Jaedong in Hana Daetoo 3-0. Then Flash made Jaedong his Chojja.
Remember Violet.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 16 2010 23:31 GMT
#364
Yup. JD was indeed stronger than ever last season (dual finals for the first time) but Flash still won both Starleagues by beating him. ^__^
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 17 2010 01:40 GMT
#365
On October 17 2010 08:31 Holgerius wrote:
Yup. JD was indeed stronger than ever last season (dual finals for the first time) but Flash still won both Starleagues by beating him. ^__^


See he was for the most part. But against Flash he kept doing 8 hatch no units build and losing. So I wouldn't say he was playing better then ever ^^
When I think of something else, something will go here
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
October 17 2010 18:19 GMT
#366
Snow beat BackHo.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
zcxvbn
Profile Joined August 2009
United States257 Posts
October 17 2010 22:50 GMT
#367
On October 18 2010 03:19 SuperArc wrote:
Snow beat BackHo.


You mean Jesus xD
NA: proberecall
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
October 18 2010 03:16 GMT
#368
Alright, seeing as how Jaedong has won 100% of his games recently and Flash hasn't won any, the Dong should be getting #1 this month.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 05:03:27
October 18 2010 05:02 GMT
#369
On October 18 2010 12:16 danl9rm wrote:
Alright, seeing as how Jaedong has won 100% of his games recently and Flash hasn't won any, the Dong should be getting #1 this month.

Didn't (T)Flash beat (Z)n.Die_soO?
:)
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
October 18 2010 09:12 GMT
#370
On October 18 2010 14:02 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2010 12:16 danl9rm wrote:
Alright, seeing as how Jaedong has won 100% of his games recently and Flash hasn't won any, the Dong should be getting #1 this month.

Didn't (T)Flash beat (Z)n.Die_soO?

You call that a game?
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 14:31:58
October 18 2010 14:31 GMT
#371
On October 17 2010 08:17 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Lotta people said that last season after he beat Jaedong in Hana Daetoo 3-0. Then Flash made Jaedong his Chojja.


I think TvZ is a bit too imba (and Flash obv is too good!). But if a toss can take out Flash, Jaedong will be back on the throne
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
October 19 2010 03:53 GMT
#372
On October 18 2010 23:31 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 08:17 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Lotta people said that last season after he beat Jaedong in Hana Daetoo 3-0. Then Flash made Jaedong his Chojja.


I think TvZ is a bit too imba (and Flash obv is too good!). But if a toss can take out Flash, Jaedong will be back on the throne

Unless of course that toss is Bisu because Bisu is awesome PvZ.
I'm really loving the rise of Bisu/Best this time around.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Tempest[OEC]
Profile Joined February 2010
United States417 Posts
October 20 2010 01:53 GMT
#373
On October 19 2010 12:53 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2010 23:31 Elroi wrote:
On October 17 2010 08:17 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Lotta people said that last season after he beat Jaedong in Hana Daetoo 3-0. Then Flash made Jaedong his Chojja.


I think TvZ is a bit too imba (and Flash obv is too good!). But if a toss can take out Flash, Jaedong will be back on the throne

Unless of course that toss is Bisu because Bisu is awesome PvZ.
I'm really loving the rise of Bisu/Best this time around.

Bisu to take out Jaedong and Best to take out Flash so we can have the first PvP OSL finals in like 7 years.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
October 20 2010 03:41 GMT
#374
Ugh, Jaedong's game against Stats was so messy. Stats didn't really play exceptionally, but Jaedong played worse than usual.
It really makes me start to think, "Is this the skill that made dual finals?" Because his near losses to Light and Stork made him look like the inferior player. No wonder he couldn't beat Flash.
Yes, he does still have his skill, and he showed a pretty amazing comeback in WCG. But after that he showed us that his decision making is a bit off this time around.
Did carrying his team take its toll on him? Because as it stands, I don't think he's even the favorite against Fantasy/Light/Bisu right now. Of course he still has his S class skill, but ever since that series with Kal in the MSL?, I feel like his decision making has been Fantasy-esque.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
October 20 2010 09:29 GMT
#375
i started watching a bit into that game (maybe 10ish minutes in), but i thought jaedong did pretty well that game. he positioned lurkers and lings before stats managed to use dropped zealots to attack, and he also saw how stats got his third and 4th respectively and took them out in timely fashion while distracting stats with his ling lurker army.
the only big "mistake" i can think of was when JD lost his morphing 5th (or 6th, bottom left corner expo) to some 7ish zealots, but at that point the game was sealed and JD shortly thereafter sent some lings to deal with it. ofc he lost a couple of lings here and there but they do get picked off like that in PvZ.
Hey! Listen!
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
October 20 2010 09:42 GMT
#376
On October 20 2010 12:41 Lightwip wrote:
Ugh, Jaedong's game against Stats was so messy. Stats didn't really play exceptionally, but Jaedong played worse than usual.
It really makes me start to think, "Is this the skill that made dual finals?" Because his near losses to Light and Stork made him look like the inferior player. No wonder he couldn't beat Flash.
Yes, he does still have his skill, and he showed a pretty amazing comeback in WCG. But after that he showed us that his decision making is a bit off this time around.
Did carrying his team take its toll on him? Because as it stands, I don't think he's even the favorite against Fantasy/Light/Bisu right now. Of course he still has his S class skill, but ever since that series with Kal in the MSL?, I feel like his decision making has been Fantasy-esque.

I think he played that game perfectly fine, he got shafted on the initial build (mutas\scourge vs mass +1 sairs) and had to spend a lot of time catching up and turtleing after that. Still he had a pretty much perfect defense, and was prepared for the drops before they even came and lost minimal vs them. Once he got his 4th base and the macro with it up and running he just rolled Stats.
God Hates a Coward
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 14:12:48
October 20 2010 14:04 GMT
#377
On October 20 2010 18:42 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 12:41 Lightwip wrote:
Ugh, Jaedong's game against Stats was so messy. Stats didn't really play exceptionally, but Jaedong played worse than usual.
It really makes me start to think, "Is this the skill that made dual finals?" Because his near losses to Light and Stork made him look like the inferior player. No wonder he couldn't beat Flash.
Yes, he does still have his skill, and he showed a pretty amazing comeback in WCG. But after that he showed us that his decision making is a bit off this time around.
Did carrying his team take its toll on him? Because as it stands, I don't think he's even the favorite against Fantasy/Light/Bisu right now. Of course he still has his S class skill, but ever since that series with Kal in the MSL?, I feel like his decision making has been Fantasy-esque.

I think he played that game perfectly fine, he got shafted on the initial build (mutas\scourge vs mass +1 sairs) and had to spend a lot of time catching up and turtleing after that. Still he had a pretty much perfect defense, and was prepared for the drops before they even came and lost minimal vs them. Once he got his 4th base and the macro with it up and running he just rolled Stats.

I'll have to look at that in the VOD once it's out. Looked a bit messy to me, but maybe I just wasn't paying attention to it. The games against Stork were undeniably horrible and Light seemed to play better than him in the late game, and of course Flash beat him pretty handily.
Although I am quite disappointed in Jangbi right now and in January's dcision to send him.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
October 20 2010 18:16 GMT
#378
On October 20 2010 23:04 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 18:42 Oystein wrote:
On October 20 2010 12:41 Lightwip wrote:
Ugh, Jaedong's game against Stats was so messy. Stats didn't really play exceptionally, but Jaedong played worse than usual.
It really makes me start to think, "Is this the skill that made dual finals?" Because his near losses to Light and Stork made him look like the inferior player. No wonder he couldn't beat Flash.
Yes, he does still have his skill, and he showed a pretty amazing comeback in WCG. But after that he showed us that his decision making is a bit off this time around.
Did carrying his team take its toll on him? Because as it stands, I don't think he's even the favorite against Fantasy/Light/Bisu right now. Of course he still has his S class skill, but ever since that series with Kal in the MSL?, I feel like his decision making has been Fantasy-esque.

I think he played that game perfectly fine, he got shafted on the initial build (mutas\scourge vs mass +1 sairs) and had to spend a lot of time catching up and turtleing after that. Still he had a pretty much perfect defense, and was prepared for the drops before they even came and lost minimal vs them. Once he got his 4th base and the macro with it up and running he just rolled Stats.

I'll have to look at that in the VOD once it's out. Looked a bit messy to me, but maybe I just wasn't paying attention to it. The games against Stork were undeniably horrible and Light seemed to play better than him in the late game, and of course Flash beat him pretty handily.
Although I am quite disappointed in Jangbi right now and in January's dcision to send him.


I haven't seen the game yet so I don't know how Jaedong played, but I think he tends to be sloppy when he plays protosses that don't have any realistic chance of beating him (Jaedong - Stats: 6:0). In the games against Stork I think you fail to recognize how well Stork was playing - but it wasn't one of Jaedong's best series (he said so himself in the interview). When it comes to the series vs Light I disagree: I think Jaedong played very well and he beat Light at a time when a lot of people thought he had the best tvz in the world on maps that Sea said was impossible for zerg to win on if the terran played correcly. And losing against Flash isn't anything you can blame some one for imo...!
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 20 2010 23:08 GMT
#379
let's throw some preliminary ranks out after 1 week of proleague

- swap stork/fantasy
- swap sea/light
- drop kal to 10, have zero/best at 8/9 (in some order) replacing effort/leta

haven't really seen enough to make too many changes imo
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
October 21 2010 01:37 GMT
#380
On October 21 2010 03:16 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 23:04 Lightwip wrote:
On October 20 2010 18:42 Oystein wrote:
On October 20 2010 12:41 Lightwip wrote:
Ugh, Jaedong's game against Stats was so messy. Stats didn't really play exceptionally, but Jaedong played worse than usual.
It really makes me start to think, "Is this the skill that made dual finals?" Because his near losses to Light and Stork made him look like the inferior player. No wonder he couldn't beat Flash.
Yes, he does still have his skill, and he showed a pretty amazing comeback in WCG. But after that he showed us that his decision making is a bit off this time around.
Did carrying his team take its toll on him? Because as it stands, I don't think he's even the favorite against Fantasy/Light/Bisu right now. Of course he still has his S class skill, but ever since that series with Kal in the MSL?, I feel like his decision making has been Fantasy-esque.

I think he played that game perfectly fine, he got shafted on the initial build (mutas\scourge vs mass +1 sairs) and had to spend a lot of time catching up and turtleing after that. Still he had a pretty much perfect defense, and was prepared for the drops before they even came and lost minimal vs them. Once he got his 4th base and the macro with it up and running he just rolled Stats.

I'll have to look at that in the VOD once it's out. Looked a bit messy to me, but maybe I just wasn't paying attention to it. The games against Stork were undeniably horrible and Light seemed to play better than him in the late game, and of course Flash beat him pretty handily.
Although I am quite disappointed in Jangbi right now and in January's dcision to send him.


I haven't seen the game yet so I don't know how Jaedong played, but I think he tends to be sloppy when he plays protosses that don't have any realistic chance of beating him (Jaedong - Stats: 6:0). In the games against Stork I think you fail to recognize how well Stork was playing - but it wasn't one of Jaedong's best series (he said so himself in the interview). When it comes to the series vs Light I disagree: I think Jaedong played very well and he beat Light at a time when a lot of people thought he had the best tvz in the world on maps that Sea said was impossible for zerg to win on if the terran played correcly. And losing against Flash isn't anything you can blame some one for imo...!

I can't really say Stork played that well because he shouldn't have lost, 2 of his losses weere because of cannon skimping. And Stork really just played normally with Jaedong playing terribly for an S-class.
The big thing about his games against Light was that he really didn't overcome any imbalance or skill or anything; he just won twice with lings and once with an interesting timing attack. I'm not implying that those are unfair, but certainly no show of skill.
He should be 50/50 at the very least against Flash, not be losing to him constantly. That's just not consistent with his skill.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
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