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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
February 04 2010 18:32 GMT
#321
On January 31 2010 21:10 Xinliben wrote:
I'm expecting good things from Really, his play has been so good lately.


yeah, really loving his game play (lol)
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 04 2010 18:54 GMT
#322
On February 05 2010 03:10 adelarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2010 02:55 Shikyo wrote:
On February 05 2010 02:11 adelarge wrote:
On February 04 2010 23:57 Shikyo wrote:
On February 04 2010 23:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On February 04 2010 22:16 Shikyo wrote:
On February 04 2010 22:04 Fx_ wrote:
On February 04 2010 09:10 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
On February 04 2010 06:00 SuperArc wrote:
On February 04 2010 04:54 dnosrc wrote:
kinda funny that msl is suddenly more important than osl when jaedong wins it ...


It isnt, beating super Flash in a bo5 on imba maps is.

+1

Forgot
With Power Outage's help...

Yup, it helped him gg 20 seconds earlier than he might actually have


When most the good players like Idra or Artosis around here say "he was at a disadvantage but definitely still in the game," how does that translate to him being on the absolute verge of GGing?

By them both being terran


You know, playing for one race doesn't automaticaly make you a retarded biased fanboy which lack any objectivity whatsoever. But that's probably too hard to imagine, right?

That's the only reason I could think of for such good players to be so wrong, but it appears that they didn't even say so in the first place and this guy was just making it up.


You did the same thing with Miracle (and Flash and Fantasy too I think) opinion about the maps. Dismiss player opinion just because they play one particular race is rather silly.

Oh that's a map balance thing, although I wasn't being too serious there. Still, when talking about map balance they all make it seem like the maps are worse for their race than they actually are. For example, I'm sure a Zerg player wouldn't say MP and FS are Z>T.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 04 2010 20:48 GMT
#323
Flash, during his interview after beating Jaedong in OSL, pointed out how he thought Fighting Spirit was T favored and that he had to win it, otherwise he'd be in trouble because HBR was Z favored. You can most certainly expect some players to be truthful about how hard it is to play on a map.
Remember Violet.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
February 04 2010 21:18 GMT
#324
On February 05 2010 05:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash, during his interview after beating Jaedong in OSL, pointed out how he thought Fighting Spirit was T favored and that he had to win it, otherwise he'd be in trouble because HBR was Z favored. You can most certainly expect some players to be truthful about how hard it is to play on a map.


So we have Flash saying FS is T favoured, but he didnt want to play twice on the map and Miracle is saying its Z>T.

I think we cant trust anything progamers say...
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-04 21:44:04
February 04 2010 21:29 GMT
#325
Well he didn't specifically say FS was T>Z, but he thought his chances were good on it.

Progamer interviews are always ambiguous. But yeah there's a little double standard on here. It could just be that MIRACLE is bad on the maps.
Remember Violet.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-05 01:41:28
February 05 2010 01:41 GMT
#326
Flash thumbed down FS against Jaedong and Kwanro, and he 8raxed in both games - I don't think he likes the map very much
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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
February 05 2010 01:51 GMT
#327
Also, at the beginning of last season, after he won against Kwanro in the proleague he said in the interview that he think FS is difficult for Terran against Zerg.

Flash really doesn't like HBR. I think he meant that FS is much more Terran friendly than HBR. But who knows. A lot might have been lost in the translations.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 05 2010 06:32 GMT
#328
On February 05 2010 10:41 Plexa wrote:
Flash thumbed down FS against Jaedong and Kwanro, and he 8raxed in both games - I don't think he likes the map very much

Well... when the rest of the map pool is like that, how much can you judge from that, though? I guess he could thumb down match point, but...
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 05 2010 06:37 GMT
#329
Thumbing down FS meant he thought Match Point was better for TvZ than it, but that doesn't really say everything.
Remember Violet.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 05 2010 07:40 GMT
#330
On February 05 2010 15:37 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Thumbing down FS meant he thought Match Point was better for TvZ than it, but that doesn't really say everything.

I know. My point was that looking at the rest of the map pool, it doesn't mean much if he thumbs down Fighting Spirit, since with the other maps I'd just leave my thumb down unused since they are so good for T.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
February 05 2010 08:25 GMT
#331
I thought that it was finally clear to everyone that JD was winning that game, oh well...
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
nimoraca
Profile Joined February 2007
Serbia84 Posts
February 05 2010 08:49 GMT
#332
Nobody is questioning third game (except hard core Flash fans). Forth game was a joke. There's no way in hell Flash could play that at the top level after what happened few minutes earlier. But again, JD fans need to believe that it was a fair game, couse anything else would mean that JD actually won a Bo3 match.
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2227 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-05 10:43:56
February 05 2010 10:42 GMT
#333
On February 05 2010 17:49 nimoraca wrote:
Nobody is questioning third game (except hard core Flash fans).

And Flash himself.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
February 05 2010 10:51 GMT
#334
No one will know why he always thumbs it down until he says so himself.

Just see July and what he thinks of himself and HBR. If July was in a boX zvp and thumbs downed HBR then everyone would be like omg wtf?? Flash and FS could just be a mental block. Who knows.

- You showed a good play in the final set
▲ I think I'm just bad on Heartbreak Ridge. I think I played okay on Byzantium 3. I think Heartbreak Ridge just doesn't fit me. All the other Zerg players seem to win on that map. I don't know why I lose even though I watch my replays.
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Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4838 Posts
February 05 2010 11:02 GMT
#335
On February 05 2010 19:51 Harem wrote:
No one will know why he always thumbs it down until he says so himself.

Just see July and what he thinks of himself and HBR. If July was in a boX zvp and thumbs downed HBR then everyone would be like omg wtf?? Flash and FS could just be a mental block. Who knows.

Show nested quote +
- You showed a good play in the final set
▲ I think I'm just bad on Heartbreak Ridge. I think I played okay on Byzantium 3. I think Heartbreak Ridge just doesn't fit me. All the other Zerg players seem to win on that map. I don't know why I lose even though I watch my replays.

The other three maps were more favorable to Terran than Fighting Spirit, it's natural that Flash would rather thumbs down Fighting Spirit.
My strategy is to fork people.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
February 05 2010 11:18 GMT
#336
On February 05 2010 10:41 Plexa wrote:
Flash thumbed down FS against Jaedong and Kwanro, and he 8raxed in both games - I don't think he likes the map very much


Its also the map where he 7raxed Calm in the ace match and almost lost in the OSL Ro4 against Calm.

Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-05 14:36:43
February 05 2010 14:36 GMT
#337
This is the Power Rank not the BO5 Rank. Flash was clearly more powerful in January, playing in TWO Starleague finals. Unfortunately the Jaedong fanboys in this thread are incapable of accepting this.

EDIT: Month clarification.
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-05 18:33:10
February 05 2010 18:31 GMT
#338
Flash stated in his interview that Z was a hard race to play. There you have it from one of the best players to ever play the game.

Jaedong didn't just get over map imba. He got over race imba, hands imba (Flash has bigger hands. Also, Jaedong is forced to use only the 1-7 keys because of his small hands) and even playability imba. (Flash himself said Zerg is a hard race to play).

I have no beef with the power rankings. But the reasoning about impromptu BO5s does not hold water. The entire careers of pro-gamers revolves around maps and opponents. The only time one doesn't really know his opponents beforehand is the Winner's league where a winning player has to all-kill and he has no idea who's coming next. Every other league gives a player ample time to prepare. In my opinion, the impromptu comment doesn't hold water.
WWJDD??
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-05 18:35:47
February 05 2010 18:35 GMT
#339
On February 05 2010 23:36 J1.au wrote:
This is the Power Rank not the BO5 Rank. Flash was clearly more powerful in January, playing in TWO Starleague finals. Unfortunately the Jaedong fanboys in this thread are incapable of accepting this.

EDIT: Month clarification.


Movie is not that good against T. So winning over movie is not that impressive. Especially because this is not Flash's first final. If he's really better than the Dong, he should have won the MSL when it was in his favor. Even then I have no beef with the rankings thanks to the ridiculous play of Power Outage.

In a way if you look at it, this is the best possible outcome. Flash fanboys like you can claim he's better and Dong fanboys like me can claim that the Dong is clearly better.
WWJDD??
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
February 05 2010 19:11 GMT
#340
On February 05 2010 23:36 J1.au wrote:
This is the Power Rank not the BO5 Rank. Flash was clearly more powerful in January, playing in TWO Starleague finals. Unfortunately the Jaedong fanboys in this thread are incapable of accepting this.

EDIT: Month clarification.

There is a pretty simple argument to make.
Flash was in the OSL final thanks to good wins in PREVIOUS months.
THIS month Jaedong has a better win % and beat Flash in a Bo5.

Now you can argue that Flash still played at a higher overall level (I don't agree) but still you can't deny the validity of the argument as simply "fanboy".
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