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nimoraca
Profile Joined February 2007
Serbia84 Posts
February 05 2010 21:38 GMT
#341
Just look at the power rank in august. JD lost to Calm in MSL semis, lost to Fantasy in PL Finals, lost to Stork in Korea WCG, lost to Hyuk, but won the fucking OSL. He was first in Power Rank and nobody complained. Flash lost only to JD in January (in a weird MSL finals) won the OSL, played great in PL and WL. Why are we even discussing the number one spot?
ComradeDover
Profile Joined November 2009
Bulgaria758 Posts
February 05 2010 21:50 GMT
#342
Lol@ At all the Dong fanboys who seem to think this is the MSL Finals Power Rank and not the January 2009 Power Rank.
Bring back 2v2s!
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
February 06 2010 03:44 GMT
#343
If you want a rank decided by statistics, I suggest you check out the ELO. Flash is #1 on that too.

If Jaedong had won his OSL games versus Flash, he would've been in two finals. I strongly suspect, that he would've won the OSL and lost the MSL to Flash under these circumstances. I'd also guess that none of you would be here arguing that Flash deserves the #1.
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-06 03:48:24
February 06 2010 03:44 GMT
#344
On February 06 2010 04:11 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2010 23:36 J1.au wrote:
This is the Power Rank not the BO5 Rank. Flash was clearly more powerful in January, playing in TWO Starleague finals. Unfortunately the Jaedong fanboys in this thread are incapable of accepting this.

EDIT: Month clarification.

There is a pretty simple argument to make.
Flash was in the OSL final thanks to good wins in PREVIOUS months.
THIS month Jaedong has a better win % and beat Flash in a Bo5.

Now you can argue that Flash still played at a higher overall level (I don't agree) but still you can't deny the validity of the argument as simply "fanboy".


You're being foolish if you think that good play from a previous month shouldn't influence who is hot this month. A power rank that is only who plays best for 1 month at a time is worthless. No gamer plays enough games in a single month for you to draw any statistical conclusions (people get lucky sometimes). A power rank that considers only who historically is the best ever is worthless too. The real key is some sort of blend, particularly for the high ranking positions. Myself I think that it should be loosely weighted something like this 55% this month, 35% last month, 10% 2 months ago.

Don't just dismiss me as a Flash fan here, I stick to my viewpoint. Look back at the October* PR, I argued that after Flash's 10-0 October he should be ranked below Jaedong because JD won the last 2 OSLs.

*Edit, It was October, I was discussing what the rankings would be for November
InFdude
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Bulgaria619 Posts
February 06 2010 08:12 GMT
#345
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 06 2010 08:45 GMT
#346
I'm still not sure if HiyA deserves to be on the rankings D:
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
February 06 2010 09:09 GMT
#347
On February 06 2010 17:12 InFdude wrote:
Oh yeah ? In previous months Jaedong has 5 SL titles .How much does Flash have ? Imo the rank is OK Flash did win in WL (which in fact was more Jaedong loosing in WL ) so let him be first . But quit brining back old stuf.

There's so much wrong with your post, but I'll ignore the spelling. Jaedong won his 5 SL titles over three years (I guess you could count it in months, but nobody does that when you can do it in years). He's three years older than Flash, but debuted only a year earlier. Jaedong won his first SL at age 17. Flash at 17, already has two to his name.
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
February 06 2010 09:25 GMT
#348
On February 06 2010 18:09 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2010 17:12 InFdude wrote:
Oh yeah ? In previous months Jaedong has 5 SL titles .How much does Flash have ? Imo the rank is OK Flash did win in WL (which in fact was more Jaedong loosing in WL ) so let him be first . But quit brining back old stuf.

There's so much wrong with your post, but I'll ignore the spelling. Jaedong won his 5 SL titles over three years (I guess you could count it in months, but nobody does that when you can do it in years). He's three years older than Flash, but debuted only a year earlier. Jaedong won his first SL at age 17. Flash at 17, already has two to his name.


JD won 5 titles in 2 years >.>, the fastest record to ever do that. The age argument is too speculative and meaningless, as only history will tell. Flash is certainly a prodigy of BW, probably one of the greatest to ever play the game. However, so is JD who is fighting for the GOAT position now only 3 people have 5 or more SL wins, and the other two are the greatest and most dominant players to play the game.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-06 09:41:21
February 06 2010 09:37 GMT
#349
Yeah, Jaedong won Ever 07 in Decemer 22nd.

Though he was a recognized threat since 2006. You can look at it as him winning 5 titles in the last 2 years, or 5 titles over the +3 years of his career.

Flash won a title only a yearafter his debut, more or less, like Jaedong. And has obviously not gotten 5 titles yet.

To be fair, if he keeps up this rate of 1 title a year, he'll end up having 5 titles by the time he's 20 like Jaedong, as well. SC2 will probably stop it before then, though.
Remember Violet.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
February 06 2010 11:12 GMT
#350
If Flash's recent performance is anything to go by, he will most likely have more than 5 SL titles by 20. Not to take anything away from Jaedong, but he is getting old. If anything, his career will be downhill from here. Flash however, is far from it. The only thing I can see limiting him from being the greatest ever is the death of Starcraft.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
February 06 2010 16:08 GMT
#351
G-Chizzle and Light deserve to be ranked this upcoming month (assuming they don't crash horribly). Gawd have they been dishing it out.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
February 07 2010 07:43 GMT
#352
Firebathero is da bomb!
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
February 07 2010 11:27 GMT
#353
after reading through this entire thing, i remembered why i try and avoid PR threads.

thanks for the good work though, plexa!
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
February 08 2010 22:14 GMT
#354
I sense a triumphant return to the PR from a certain two time OSL finalist...
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
February 08 2010 22:33 GMT
#355
On February 09 2010 07:14 tree.hugger wrote:
I sense a triumphant return to the PR from a certain two time OSL finalist...


Triumphant depends on if he can qualify for SLs or not. But yeah if he keeps his form in WL he should get at least #10.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
February 09 2010 01:37 GMT
#356
On February 07 2010 20:27 LosingID8 wrote:
after reading through this entire thing, i remembered why i try and avoid PR threads.

thanks for the good work though, plexa!


I could never write PR. I'm just not that good at arguing, nor have the foresight to preemptively argue against all the SKT1 players.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
February 09 2010 23:36 GMT
#357
On February 06 2010 04:11 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2010 23:36 J1.au wrote:
This is the Power Rank not the BO5 Rank. Flash was clearly more powerful in January, playing in TWO Starleague finals. Unfortunately the Jaedong fanboys in this thread are incapable of accepting this.

EDIT: Month clarification.

There is a pretty simple argument to make.
Flash was in the OSL final thanks to good wins in PREVIOUS months.
THIS month Jaedong has a better win % and beat Flash in a Bo5.

Now you can argue that Flash still played at a higher overall level (I don't agree) but still you can't deny the validity of the argument as simply "fanboy".


He won a gold and got a silver. There is no discussion necessary. It's a fanboy argument, especially considering the schedules, Flash's later win against Jaedong and the like. Please...
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
February 09 2010 23:52 GMT
#358
On February 06 2010 06:38 nimoraca wrote:
Just look at the power rank in august. JD lost to Calm in MSL semis, lost to Fantasy in PL Finals, lost to Stork in Korea WCG, lost to Hyuk, but won the fucking OSL. He was first in Power Rank and nobody complained. Flash lost only to JD in January (in a weird MSL finals) won the OSL, played great in PL and WL. Why are we even discussing the number one spot?

That was because no one was playing at his level. At the moment, Jaedong and Flash are pretty even.
GANDHISAUCE
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
February 10 2010 06:42 GMT
#359
JD going through his post championship slump as usual. Losing a string of ZvZs to no-name scrubs like Effort.

And by scrub I mean slumping.

+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry effort fangirls. Losing to Lomo is slumping.
WWJDD??
Redshirt
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
434 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-10 08:20:15
February 10 2010 08:17 GMT
#360
lol if we're only going by month by month basis for Power Rank, I don't think Jaedong or Flash should be 1st or 2nd. Jaedong's best effort was a 3 kill and Flash is basically a bench warmer because KT is pretty much demolishing everyone left and right. Both players have had pretty uneventful months so far.

Seriously, I think Guemchi deserves to be in the power rank either way. Yeah he'll probably do poorly in individual leagues but the kid is seriously saving Woongjin's ass in proleague.
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