EPT[PL] 05-22 Weekly Stats Report! - Page 2
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BleuNuit
Canada44 Posts
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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DennizR
Sweden653 Posts
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uppTagg
Sweden473 Posts
TvZ is the most entertaining matchup imo, so it's too bad it isn't played more often :< | ||
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Uraeus
France1378 Posts
So far, Z are 11-20 against T. I think it is pretty dismal (compared to 12-14 against P). Even great Zerg players (read : Jaedong and Lux) cannot counter an SK build on a regular basis, even though JD had a scary ZvT not so long ago. I think I only saw a couple games where T did not go SK against Z. On the other hand, I have seen Z go hydra, lurkerling, mutaling, ultraling, using various builds : no bo has proved to be really effective, hence coaches playing safe and not sending Zergs on "Terran" maps like Othello. Zergs badly need to find a counter to SK terran, and more generally to renew their play. Otherwise their decline in PL and xSL will get even worse. We need a Zerg Revolutionnist NOW. | ||
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kyjori
371 Posts
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Jolle
Norway185 Posts
On May 23 2008 06:45 uppTagg wrote: A feeling I've had all the time while watching pro-sc is that zerg always feels like the underdog going in >< Feels so bullied against protoss storm and terrain infantry... :< That's why it always feels pretty nice when a zerg wins even though I'm a T player ^^ TvZ is the most entertaining matchup imo, so it's too bad it isn't played more often :< uhm did you see progaming a few years ago? Protoss was the little weak kid you bullied in the park laughing at his "+1-I-hope-this-works-timing-attack"... The maps don't favor Zerg, but I don't realy think it's all about the maps. There is a lack of good Zergs now, but as BW has shown before things change, in a few months the stats might look different. You only need one Flash, Savior, Bisu, Oov to turn it around. | ||
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Kakashi[Black]
84 Posts
Jaedong is certainly not the player to do this though, as the reason for his "dominance" is due to extreme mechanics and tactics, not really smart, easy to use builds. The twins are better at those things (trying things like spire->lurks and muta->ultras builds), but we'll have to wait and see if anyone rises to the challenge. "Jaedong is certainly not the player to do this though, as the reason for his "dominance" is due to extreme mechanics" : O go die plz T.T His extreme mechanics also but it isn`t the reason , many pro have extreme mechanics and still suck hard xd " not really smart, easy to use builds" Jaedong modified zerg bo vs Bisu build and somehow made it work, no other zerg countered it like him ... he was first zerg to counter Bisu build and beat its author himself ; o his mutas in zvp , no zerg before used mutas zvp like this, his zvt all-in muta/muta + guardian builds he managed to made this strategies work somehow, geez you just fucking can`t say that he didn`t refresh zerg race :o "The twins are better at those things (trying things like spire->lurks and muta->ultras builds), but we'll have to wait and see if anyone rises to the challenge" spire-> lurks muta-> ultras are old builds, Savior used them, they don`t work well in a long run T.T They are better at nothing. These builds aren`t new and it isn`t their builds. They fail to make this builds work and using unusual builds which don`t work doesn`t mean that they are more creative. Its otherwise imo, Jaedong is much more insightfull and creative , as it comes to bo`s itself , he has much better bo`s and it is him who comes out with somethin new working. I can atack with my first 4 drones I ll be more creative than any pro ever was ;o even if just for you ;> How can u say such things -,- if not Jaedong the zerg would dissapear completely ;] | ||
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Kakashi[Black]
84 Posts
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Barbarne
Sweden458 Posts
On May 23 2008 08:00 Kakashi[Black] wrote: "Jaedong is certainly not the player to do this though, as the reason for his "dominance" is due to extreme mechanics" : O go die plz T.T His extreme mechanics also but it isn`t the reason , many pro have extreme mechanics and still suck hard xd Thanks for the flames... Sure you might say that extreme mechinics isn't what defines skills, but I haven't seen many games where jaedong has won except for rushes or 3hatch (basically what sAviOr used to do) builds executed with perfection. His game sense is incredible and his decisions are top notch, what I mean is that I don't think there's anything easily definable where you can say: "that's why he's so good". In the end (or is this the end ???) sAviOr was no way near innovative. He used the same build over and over again, but when he came he showed the world a whole different kind of zerg that was totally unstoppable, then people learned how to counter it and by then his innovation days were over. (although I hope he will do a nada comeback with a new crazy macroautowin-build and start working on that golden mouse) On May 23 2008 08:00 Kakashi[Black] wrote: " not really smart, easy to use builds" Jaedong modified zerg bo vs Bisu build and somehow made it work, no other zerg countered it like him ... he was first zerg to counter Bisu build and beat its author himself ; o his mutas in zvp , no zerg before used mutas zvp like this, his zvt all-in muta/muta + guardian builds he managed to made this strategies work somehow, geez you just fucking can`t say that he didn`t refresh zerg race :o If his style versus bisu is an easy copyable build please tell me what that easy build is. What i see is a very hard game of exact balance between workers/units/expand/tech and of course the all important reacting to what your opponents do. I have no idea whatsoever where to start to copy his build. On May 23 2008 08:00 Kakashi[Black] wrote: "The twins are better at those things (trying things like spire->lurks and muta->ultras builds), but we'll have to wait and see if anyone rises to the challenge" spire-> lurks muta-> ultras are old builds, Savior used them, they don`t work well in a long run T.T They are better at nothing. These builds aren`t new and it isn`t their builds. They fail to make this builds work and using unusual builds which don`t work doesn`t mean that they are more creative. Its otherwise imo, Jaedong is much more insightfull and creative , as it comes to bo`s itself , he has much better bo`s and it is him who comes out with somethin new working. I can atack with my first 4 drones I ll be more creative than any pro ever was ;o even if just for you ;> How can u say such things -,- if not Jaedong the zerg would dissapear completely ;] Sure their builds aren't either their own or new (although the ultra one is far from old IIRC) but at least they try them and don't go into every game saying "I will win because my mechanics and decision making are better than yours", but instead try new things to make sure that the terran race is not able to think every game "wonder if he's going 3hatch?" and be right every time. The only one I've seen capable of doing the mutas->ultras build convincingly is luxury, but you might have missed those games and can only relate to the last time he used it and unfortunately lost. (sea, that retarded little bastard with the ugliest grin in progaming (don't ban me stevie)) In my opinion I'd say he's done nearly nothing for the zerg race, except maybe make bisu slump. Other than that, I think his legacy will be as a very strong player, but no way the one who changed the tide for zergs everywhere (which will happen sometime I'm sure). | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27180 Posts
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EGoldman
United States110 Posts
p.s. Go go Samsung Khan!! | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On May 23 2008 09:04 EGoldman wrote: why can't you watch PL games? Just use the Potplayer or go to the small vods thread. they got all the stuff up there. p.s. Go go Samsung Khan!! I'm sure Mani is perfectly capable of getting the stream and everything running. It's just he can't put in the time or something similar. Anyways, Pure is on an amazing tear, as is Ruby. I wonder which proleague game both of them will finally win. Nice Article! | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On May 23 2008 09:04 EGoldman wrote: why can't you watch PL games? Just use the Potplayer or go to the small vods thread. they got all the stuff up there. p.s. Go go Samsung Khan!! i think he was refering to his schedule not allowing him the time to do so not a lack of know how | ||
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wurm
Philippines2296 Posts
I do believe that July is on his way back to the top. Ever since his move to STX I believe he hadn't dropped a game (correct me if im wrong, though I think he lost in a 2v2). If STX can capitalize on this and put him in the 1v1 rotation, they could be the team to beat. Hwasin, July, Kal, Calm, Sheis. Regarding the lack of Zerg, my pick for next up and comer is HuskaL. The Zerg player who put up quite a fight with TvZ specialist Hwasin at the GOMtv tournament. | ||
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TaDa1.
655 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
Zergs badly need to find a counter to SK terran, and more generally to renew their play. Otherwise their decline in PL and xSL will get even worse. We need a Zerg Revolutionnist NOW. Maybe our next savior will revolutionize Queen use :D. Regarding the lack of Zerg, my pick for next up and comer is HuskaL. The Zerg player who put up quite a fight with TvZ specialist Hwasin at the GOMtv tournament. I saw that game and I too was impressed with Huskal's creativity. I think if he improves his macro/multitasking he'll be one to look out for. | ||
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911wasaLIE
United States44 Posts
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nerium
Philippines512 Posts
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yutgoyun
Canada46 Posts
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