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If Dinot or Gosio wins, we'd have every race in the semifinals; something quite unexpected! Though I wouldn't bet on either of these happening. lefNaij and NoNy are just so strong...
Gosia is unstable in his skills so, if today is a good day for him, maybe he can make it through?
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Go lefNaij. Make Canada proud!
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when does it start in gmt hours (what mean CEt ..TT)
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On May 19 2008 03:35 MisterKatosS wrote:
when does it start in gmt hours (what mean CEt ..TT)
CET is Central European Time = GMT + 1
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it would be beautiful to have every race in the semifinals..
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On May 19 2008 03:35 MisterKatosS wrote:
when does it start in gmt hours (what mean CEt ..TT)
Theres a huge timer at the top of the page????
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United States20622 Posts
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Prettyboy gonna rape some rafa!
FUCKING GO   NonY!
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![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.gif) fighting
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gosia and dinot fighting  zerg power baby
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Nony fighting!!!! But for this first round between DinOt and Leftnaij, DinOt fighting!!!
When I downloaded the first round in today's VODS they didn't have the commentary before that little technical glitch where the stream went offline for 1 minute or so, but they didn't even start even after 10 seconds the timer went down to zero! Oh well, gives everyone else a chance to connect I guess, but it's annoying how you have to keep refreshing the Windows Media Player or the VLC player to get a chance to connect. 
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DinOt STOMP JF GO ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZUUUUUUUUUUUURGGGGGGSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
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Voting  JF
Rooting for   DinOt
Voting NonY
Don't really mind who advances from NonY and  Paranoid
A semi with all 3 races will be good :D
P and T are taken care of. I want either zerg to pass
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Zergs better start taking over you hear? Or else there will be too much BBQ and beer.
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HAHA!! I'd gladly eat some BBQ right now. I'll pass on the beer though, wouldn't want any of that stuff poisoning my blood stream.
I know Dreiven was late for his first match because he went to a BBQ beforehand, but people have been refering to "BBQ" as some sort of play that Dreiven did. Could someone explain this to me? I'm so confused right now.
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On May 19 2008 05:15 Attolite wrote:
but people have been refering to "BBQ" as some sort of play that Dreiven did. Could someone explain this to me? I'm so confused right now.
Hmm i don't know about any of that :S
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On May 19 2008 05:15 Attolite wrote:HAHA!! I'd gladly eat some BBQ right now. I'll pass on the beer though, wouldn't want any of that stuff poisoning my blood stream. I know Dreiven was late for his first match because he went to a BBQ beforehand, but people have been refering to "BBQ" as some sort of play that Dreiven did. Could someone explain this to me? I'm so confused right now.
its just that he is invincible on BBQ and beer
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exactly
nothing more
its a new ritual to drink beer and have a bbq before matches.
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BBQing zerg units under his perfect storms
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Oooooh, thanks guys. I guess it's sort of like the drunken master stuff in Japan.
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DINOT!!
Nony is gonna rape paranoid. 
I don't see how he could possibly make it.
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Better one zerg and one protoss advance so we will have more entertaining games the next rounds!! go!
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Was live but then it died.
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^^ stream down but go DINOT !
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where is the intern livestream?
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Crap, they havn't started yet, but I know that they're doing they're best though.
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Stream isn't working for me yet. :\
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Stream not working for me, are we live?
EDIT: Humming now
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On May 19 2008 05:34 charcute wrote:
gosia look like an elf
At least hes not a troll ;]
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up for me 
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j-f and nony got this easely
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Hoping for Dinot and Gosia, voted Dinot and Nony.
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On May 19 2008 05:36 charcute wrote:
j-f and nony got this easely
Don't be so sure
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Actually, it's still having problems. I was only able to see 5 seconds of streaming and then it froze.
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Volume seem low for anyone else? Maybe it's just the music but I don't remember it being that way yesterday
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It's going for me now; still the intro, though. Cheerfuls showing.
edit: yeah, volume is kinda low
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is the stream very quiet for everyone else? I'm afraid of something outside of VLC beeping I have to jack my speaker so high.
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Netherlands6056 Posts
Lol @ Cheerfuls. Yer volume a bit low.
HF everyone
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Music is awesome!
but no one is talking.
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Hope to see some awesome PvZ games!
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ahaha the flash - diont cheerful was nice! "coincidence?" i Hope not...
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O.O
missed all the TSL's before.
damn. the intro is fuckin pimp.
JF AND NONY FIGHTING!
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Only Chill/Artosis this time around?
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yes! hot_bid can hit it without breaking it!
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo
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Im being disconnected from the stream every minute? Yesterday everything was perfect! WHY? T_T
My TSLLLL!!!!!!!!
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it worked perfectly, try gom player dude
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omg noob muta control! this should have been over already!
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i am not impressed by zerg at all. getting his drones killed by zealots harassment, getting all his mutas getting killed by 2 storms, that could easily be dodged.
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Sweden1368 Posts
Yea its so hard to storm mutas standing still
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also is dinot macroing poorly he has 1.2k gas
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Looks like JF is just too good
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Also looks like Dinot has ways to go before being able to beat JF
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ah, missed the first 13 mins of the first game.
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wow why is everyone jumping on the "sick storms" bandwagon?? it was basically over, dinot fucked up HUGE by losing all mutas to 2 storms, every C Zerg in that situation knows that all he has to do is to keep mutas alive and its GG, but dinot obviously is too nervous or smth.
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lol.
TSL-intrigue has left the game.
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dang. nice storm dodges by dinot
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Dinot has a shitload of gas oO
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his macro is pretty bad though. =[
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dinot has sooooooooo much gas.
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Dinot is going to lose, there are no ways he can win this, very bad situation
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Lol, he doesn't want JF to get more gas than him.
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Dinot needs to macro more..
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oooouch.
162 to 90 supply. in favor of JF
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dinot just doesn't have the macro and it seems he doesn't like to expand either...
low eco style zerg just doesn't work.
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haha. JF mined out at main and nat and doesn't know it yet
jk. he noticed when i was writing this.
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On May 19 2008 06:07 kiendudu wrote:
170 > 67
yeeep, that should be a gg if this drop doesn't work.
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85 vs 190 supply
it's over..
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Good try at dropping. He needs to expand.
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Why would Dinot make mutalisks and not watch them in the base. He dodged storms with hydras and not with mutas, not a good sense of priority.
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Awesome play by Dinot. There was no way he couldve lost that game. JF imba
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Dinot needed ALOT MORE LURKERS and defilers. If he had fully upd lings and lots of lurkers with defiler, he can secure both gases n bototm left and then transition into ultra
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Is it me or is Chill's mic blasting a lot? Would be nice if they could turn it down a bit ...
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please Hot_Bid be gentle with it!
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DinOt got a preety good early adv imo, with JF having like 5 probes not gathering and DinOt not even being agressive with lings lol
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James Bond probe. Awesome.
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On May 19 2008 06:18 Pads wrote:
DinOt got a preety good early adv imo, with JF having like 5 probes not gathering and DinOt not even being agressive with lings lol
two probes were waiting for nexus to finish, the other three were positioned to block a runby.
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"JF has blown his cover on his James Bond Probe". lolz.
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Haha, <3 Artosis.
No love for probes.
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Probes don't go to heaven, they're robots. Rape.
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Canada9714 Posts
lol artosis, reproaching chill: "probes don't go to heaven, they're robots"
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Whoa, first time watching, and the commentary is awesome! GJ guys!
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Dinot is using infolisks™.
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"DinOt wants blood". lolz again. Go bloody DinOt!! XD
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Sup, i don't lose reavers.
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looks like dinot learned how to macro again.
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I think PvZ is unbalance because of storm
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wtf with that contain ; o
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Macro dinot
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and he forgot how to macro again. -_-
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wow JF is playing really well
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i don't think he (dinot) expands enough to win...
he always seems to stop expanding when he gets the 3rd/4th.
and unless he crushes protoss at the right time, he gets run over horribly.
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dinot need to be greedy and do a heavy upgrade lurker mass build
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GG Dinot 0-2 JF
macro was better by Dinot, but upgrades really killed him that game
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Common DinOt, give us at least 4 maps! Don't make this end so fast!!!
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I love when Artosis says 'too too good'.
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Does Dinot just choke his macro every match? -_-
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MYM suck, their players can't compete other players, look at Dinot and Dreiven T.T
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I sense two 3-0's coming today.
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dinot has great micro, but from this series and his games last week, hes lacking a bit in macro and his style is still kinda scrappy. if he polishes his game, he'll become a zerg to be reckon with.
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JF is so awesome. Forget his sick micro, sick macro, and sick multitasking: he just adapts so well to whatever his opponent does. He's not one of these autopilot one-BO mechanical players.
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Hong Kong20296 Posts
wowow rape lol dinot lacking in macro for sure i'd say, 1000+ minerals all the time >_> ^
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C'mon, we need at least one zerg in the semis!
edit: btw, what are they calling IefNaij?
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Next map is Wuthering Heights, NO CHANCE at all for dinot.
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Question: How do you find out how many people voted for JF and DinOt in the Liquibet?
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On May 19 2008 06:35 kiendudu wrote:
MYM suck, their players can't compete other players, look at Dinot and Dreiven T.T
I seriously hope you're kidding. If that's your opinion, keep it to yourself because Dinot and Dreiven are great players. If want your saying is that Dreiven beat Mondi by luck then you're full of shit and that's a lack of respect to both players. As for Dinot, I think he has improved a lot since his game against Rondo last week.
Don't say other people suck and "can't compete" when they could own you playing with one hand.
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On May 19 2008 06:35 kiendudu wrote:
MYM suck, their players can't compete other players, look at Dinot and Dreiven T.T
fuck off troll
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Jf is simply better. I see two 3-0 pvz rapes coming up today. So sad :\
PS: Ya White-Ra, Strelok, Dreiven, F91, Gentleman, DinOt all bad players. Very bad lineUp. MYM cant compete all their players are noobs.
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On May 19 2008 06:37 Attolite wrote:
Question: How do you find out how many people voted for JF and DinOt in the Liquibet?
In Liquibet, click on the comment number to the left of the portraits. The numbers only show after the match is over however.
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On May 19 2008 06:35 kiendudu wrote:
MYM suck, their players can't compete other players, look at Dinot and Dreiven T.T
go back to your bridge!
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On May 19 2008 06:35 kiendudu wrote:
MYM suck, their players can't compete other players, look at Dinot and Dreiven T.T
MYM dominated the Ro16 (except Strelok) and now are getting taken out in the Ro8...
Edit: Btw, I have to disagree with you. MYM players are awesome
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I just came in at game 2 and all I saw was rape!
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Dinot is behind, I think it's gonna be 3-0
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fucking sweet, sniping those pylons
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Wow I thought DinOt was fucked but he lives on to one more game. Props to him
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never never never never ever lol
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Hey im not watching. Wtf is happening :O
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Well cheese wont work 3 times in a row but I am sure 1-2 soon.
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Dinot changing map stats for Wuthering Heights! lol
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wasn't that the same thing yellow did on this map?
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On May 19 2008 06:46 o3.power91 wrote:
Hey im not watching. Wtf is happening :O
World's craziest build where Dinot just turned JF's natural into his main.
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klol 9 kill dt JF is back almost.
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On May 19 2008 06:44 useLess wrote:
slow drop into base :O
On May 19 2008 06:45 ydg wrote:
Holy crap nice drop.
On May 19 2008 06:45 Jyvblamo wrote:
Crazy play by Dinot.
On May 19 2008 06:45 Vasoline73 wrote:Wow I thought DinOt was fucked but he lives on to one more game. Props to him
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really low unit count game. dinot shouldve microed against those zealots
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Dinot hasn't won yet, he hasn't finished it.
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On May 19 2008 06:48 Titusmaster6 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 06:46 o3.power91 wrote:
Hey im not watching. Wtf is happening :O World's craziest build where Dinot just turned JF's natural into his main.
WOW ROFL LMFAO!!!!11 XD
I HAVE GOT TO SEE THAT
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JF's building placement is screwed over by the lack of room, hydras picking off vital buildings.
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France231 Posts
Smart play by Dinot, wow.
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Reaver got out JUST in time.
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Wow close call on the robo. Cmon Dinot, finish it.
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wow, that robo snipe was so close
crazy low econ micro game...
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wow
this game...
is just....
wtf....NICE DINOT LOOOOOL WTF!!!!
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I've now seen chill's 30 'craziest' games ever.
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dinot better take this game. JF is basically contained, and dinot has map control.
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On May 19 2008 06:51 allowicious wrote:
crazy low econ micro game...
Looks like that's Dinot's only chance of beating JF
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i don't see how JF is gonna come back from this. Looks like 2-1
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This is the smallest scale reaver sair ever.
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Sweden1368 Posts
Pure mass muta with armor upgrade and the game is over....
Mass hydra and the game is over...
Just dont screw it up
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phew. dinot didnt get shut out. strange, but successful build by him
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If dinot wins with strange builds ill laugh lol xD
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finally over.
very clever build, slow quick hydra drop
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Hong Kong20296 Posts
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United States16963 Posts
that was the weirdest build ever from dinot. Luck
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OH YEAAAA, go DinOt. Now we'll see more from DinOt now.
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United States20622 Posts
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dinots games are the most entertaining ever!
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i doubt dinot will be able to pull off 2 more of those type games
anyways nice to see innovative builds, gg
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Nice build from dinot. Pretty sure there was a pro zvp on GomTV where the exact build was used. It's pretty surprising if you've never seen it before.
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I think it was Yellow who did somewhat of a similar slow drop except with lurkers in the Intel Classic. Eitherway, a pretty innovative strat.
Edit: LR beat me.
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>.< JF will win Zodiac
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That'd be awesome if Dinot gets this series.
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I think Yellow used this kind of bo in the intel classic tournament.
edit: hehe too late
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Man, that was the best match I ever saw cuz it was so entertaining. XD
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JF is a fairly creative player himself, but yeah...DinoT and his oddball strats. Fun series to watch.
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HEY! WHAT HAPPEN TO THE TEAMLIQUID.NET GG GUY?
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I find this game more entertaining then the pro scen
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haha. what is this, 12 pool? one two three four...
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Well dinot's build was a copy of tosky[s.g]'s build vs nal_ra in the gomtv thing, except it actually worked. I don't think he has a chance on zodiac though!
Win it for the dota players, iefnaij.
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On May 19 2008 06:59 city42 wrote:
Well dinot's build was a copy of tosky[s.g]'s build vs nal_ra in the gomtv thing, except it actually worked. I don't think he has a chance on zodiac though!
Win it for the dota players, iefnaij.
Yup thats the game I was thinking of. In that game rA had a cannon in his main already which helped a lot.
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JF will win if it turns into a straight up macro game.
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On May 19 2008 07:00 grobo wrote:
JF will win if it turns into a straight up macro game.
Thats what Dinot needs to avoid
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dinot practically gave away his third base by moving those drones over while chasing that zealot
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On May 19 2008 07:01 useLess wrote:
dinot practically gave away his third base by moving those drones over while chasing that zealot
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Is this the 4th game? I'm not watching
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Hong Kong20296 Posts
On May 19 2008 07:01 useLess wrote:
dinot practically gave away his third base by moving those drones over while chasing that zealot
jf can probably gues anyway >_>
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On May 19 2008 07:02 o3.power91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 07:01 useLess wrote:
dinot practically gave away his third base by moving those drones over while chasing that zealot ? Is this the 4th game? I'm not watching
Yes, on Zodiac.
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wow, dinot had some good flank on that shuttle
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Hong Kong20296 Posts
dinots macro sucks lol wtf could buvild like 3 more hatcheries already -_-
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haha, testing the structural durability of that pylon
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ouch that drop failed miserably :|
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failed drop. :D
lol. "JF testing the durability of his pylon."
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rofl,
"jf, just testing the structural durability of his pylon by taking out its shields"
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lol, JF has to win this now.
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"Plasma shield. JF you're pretty cool" haha
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fairly even on supply this game :O
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Hong Kong20296 Posts
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protoss death ball DUN DUN DUN
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Sweden1368 Posts
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Hong Kong20296 Posts
wow dinot has a ton of hatches lol
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omg. :O Dinot actually ahead playing standard
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Dinot is taking the lead.
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wow that was a rape battle.
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ouch. his macro's failing again though.
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Please tell me Dinot is going to make ultras with that 2000/2000.
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both player's macro failing :O
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gj getting those dts down JF.
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Dinot needs to invest his money in units ...
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:O
JF's storms could rival jangbi's
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more hatch Dinot! 3k gas and no Hive???!
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lol. Dinot didn't have ANYTHING at that expansion. it was up for a while too.
also, 4k gas? wtf?
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yeah uh thats a lot of gas.
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ouch, JF raping it up badly
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Wtf he's now getting crackling upgrade?
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dinot should consider the benefits of turning all that gas into units
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holy fuck. those storms are fucking good.
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Nasty storms. 5000 gas too...
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flank failed, storms raping him
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Macro
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bad play by Dinot took to loong time to Hive he had the time and the money
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i think the gas counter is broken... ?
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DinOt how did you lose that??????????????
omg
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At least JF is putting his gas to use...
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Dinot should learn about the wonders of Hive tech in zvp
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storm take out everything, Dinot goes from 104 to 56 t.t
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T-T Dino shouldnt have lost this one.
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France1963 Posts
Simply perfect storms by Iefnaij,
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Dinot should have moved into higher tech.. 6k gas at the end. :/ GG JF tho, impressive toss storms.. so imba.
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On May 19 2008 07:17 shimmy wrote:
Protoss domination.
Brat_ok shits on your protoss domination
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Yay, I voted for JF, but DinOt did a good job in this series by at least winning one time.
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Dinot's lead just melted under those psi-storms.
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Hmm, Dinot fucked up last game quite badly
Bye bye lbet points :p
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"his psi storms were causing me to have an epileptic seizure at that point"
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The gas counter was not broken. He had 4 gas for a long time and was very light on lurkers.
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Wtf happened to ultras!!?
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Forget Jangbi and his storms, JF all the way!
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Insane storms by JF, wow.
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well, i guess we all saw that coming.
great game 3, but dinot could use some polish, some cleaner mechanics, etc
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Hong Kong20296 Posts
lol nice jf
i thought dinot could actually have won this but o well
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lol dinot hive tech was so fucking late if he had hive and make ultras or defilers with 6k gas was gg..
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Last game was Dinot's to lose. He had map control and a bigger army.
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suicidal hydra drop, late hive, shiton of gas.
He played well, but he needs some game management improvements. He was leading at some points.
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Wow, JF attacked at just the right time. I thought DinoT had this game in the bag with the macro he had going.
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the zerg race in the tsl is on the line
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thats it for micro-zerg
now bring on the macro-zerg
Paranoid ftw glglglgl
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Hot_Bid is the MAN!!
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that was freaking nice :D
TIME FOR THE LAST ZERG TO DIE!!! FOR AIUR!!!
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gaaaaah .. that's the one reason why i think protoss is so ridiculous compared to the other races.. the storm is so crazy strong.
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On May 19 2008 07:20 ._. wrote:
suicidal hydra drop, late hive, shiton of gas.
He played well, but he needs some game management improvements. He was leading at some points.
He was leading by far a would say
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damn one zerg out, too late hive tech but strong by jf as always ofc..
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Go Hot_Bid. He was sooo good at guiding us throughout the matches. Am I right?
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Hot_Bid's inbox is going to get owned lol
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Dinot is too young, that's mean his brain is smaller than normal adult. That's why he acts different, may be too weird
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As much as I like Nony, GO GOSIA! We need a Z!
I swear that pic of Gosia looks like Herman Li........even though he's not asian.
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South Africa4309 Posts
I've send my message to Hot_bid, have you?
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Bets on whos going to win the next round?
I think Nony will win, but I'm kind of hoping for Gosia.
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On May 19 2008 07:22 Pads wrote:
pmed hot_bid :p
Oh yea, I PM'd him too. I don't wanna spam him though. lol
Also, I hope Nony wins this series of matches as I've voted for him to get a Destructor mat.
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On May 19 2008 07:23 kiendudu wrote:Dinot is too young, that's mean his brain is smaller than normal adult. That's why he acts different, may be too weird
That doesn't explain Flash..
But when I think about it,
when Flash becomes an adult..LOL holy fuck.
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I will be happy either way. Heres hoping for a 3-2!!
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GO)sia pwn 'em all!
save the zerg pride 
and yes, the storms were just imba T.T
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On May 19 2008 07:24 Daigomi wrote:
I've send my message to Hot_bid, have you?
Yes. Everyone should.
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On May 19 2008 07:26 ._. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 07:23 kiendudu wrote:Dinot is too young, that's mean his brain is smaller than normal adult. That's why he acts different, may be too weird That doesn't explain Baby.. But when I think about it, when Baby becomes an adult..LOL holy fuck.
Fixed
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Hey Daigomi, you think that you could ask Hot_Bid how many PM's he's got so far? Just curious how much everyone appreciates him. 50+ PM's right now should mean he's highly appreciated.
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woo, go nony! lets see lots of reaver action!
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Really nice work with the TSL, watched dreiven vs mondragon live and watching the stream now obviously.
that tsl-logo with the probe running around was really cool
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what's with nony's macro? :S He doesn't seem to be really warmed up yet.
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wow, artosis is really on top of things. he called hive, and hot_bid (doing great on obs) saw that lair morph just as he called it.
i really like this artosis-chill combo
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Now he's said 'too too much' 3 times
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yikes, dozen+ drones kills on that storm
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too bad it isn't live
but everything else is very good, i'm impressed! nice commentator's and stream quality. definitely GJ!
ps. gogo GOsia! Don't fail Zerg player's!
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haha damn, that's gotta hurt.
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it's gonna be 3-0 goes for nony
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extremely nice storms by nony. talk about precise!
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lol at nony researching mind control.
oh well. he was really far ahead anyways
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Taiche
France1963 Posts
Now would be a good time to GG, Gosia...
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gosia did well, but nony just had some strong play
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I don't see gosia taking one game from nony
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researching Mind Control. LOL
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It's kind of funny how NonY made that Dark Archon for nothing. lol. But still, WOW! NonY wiped the floor with Gosia.
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Whats the score so far guys?
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Nony is basicially playing the same strat every game but so far no one beside Mondi (motc finals) has discovered a way to beat it.
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Dark Archon is to counter Defilers. Feedback!
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United States20622 Posts
GOsia needs to win this map.
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On May 19 2008 07:46 HanN00b wrote:
Nony is basicially playing the same strat every game but so far no one beside Mondi (motc finals) has discovered a way to beat it.
Really? that's pretty impressive. XD I picked the right player.
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On May 19 2008 07:46 HanN00b wrote:
Nony is basicially playing the same strat every game but so far no one beside Mondi (motc finals) has discovered a way to beat it.
I think NonY mention he follows the Korean pvz style. Korean pvz are monsters.
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Sound died?
nvm, my headphones got unplugged
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Maybe latency changer is bad for foreign zergs because it is now more easy to do amazing storms and thats basicially what all JF, Dreiven and Nony did so far.
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On May 19 2008 07:47 [X]Ken_D wrote:
Dark Archon is to counter Defilers. Feedback!
I see. Thanks for explaining that to me. I guess I could've figured that out for myself but I'm kinda lazy in thinking right now.
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stream keeps failing on me T_T_T_T_T
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On May 19 2008 07:47 [X]Ken_D wrote:
Dark Archon is to counter Defilers. Feedback!
Is that really worth it? Spending the money, micro, and time to get DA with feedback?
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On May 19 2008 07:48 HanN00b wrote:
Maybe latency changer is bad for foreign zergs because it is now more easy to do amazing storms and thats basicially what all JF, Dreiven and Nony did so far.
actually, i think it's just bad micro that's producing such good storms, because DinOt had some really good storm dodges in game 2
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This is going to be a disaster for Gosia.
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nonys sair seems to have missed both hatch by an inch.
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LOL, paranoid is really living up to his name with all his scouting units on the map :D
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France1963 Posts
On May 19 2008 07:55 ahole-surprise wrote:
This is going to be a disaster for Gosia.
Why ? He has secret expos and if the economy starts to kick in, he could be in a very good position.
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On May 19 2008 07:57 diehilde wrote:
LOL, paranoid is really living up to his name with all his scouting units on the map :D
i don't understand why more pros don't do this to be honest.
game sense is good an all, but you see so many people miss hidden expos.
i may have shitty mechanics, but i usually make sure people don't make hidden expo on me.
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Holy shit, I take it back, GOsia is looking strong with this muta play but one storm could change everything.
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I live Gosia's play... I tried stuff like that after someone pulled it on me... it was strong up until they make masses of archons.
But he's got 5 bases so that's probably never going to happen.
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France1963 Posts
On May 19 2008 08:01 [X]Ken_D wrote:
Archons NonYYYY!
Archons are good against mutas but too clumsy to efficiently protect Nony's main, IMHO
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On May 19 2008 07:58 Taiche wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 07:55 ahole-surprise wrote:
This is going to be a disaster for Gosia. Why ? He has secret expos and if the economy starts to kick in, he could be in a very good position.
I posted this when his spire was still going up and Nony got a lot of drone kills with 2 zealots and then saw the spire.
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France1963 Posts
Awesome counter by Nony, such a great play o_o
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that was gosia's game to lose with all those gas expos.
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TT gosia should have mass sunks instead of slowlings -.-
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awww he couldn't pull it off
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Yeah, we had no idea that mass muta is dangerous vs protoss. Gosia gave the huge advantage he had away - simple as that.
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all those zerg losing, sad sad...
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France1963 Posts
Man, Nony is soooo good, I didn't expect him to win that at all -_-;
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Wow that was an incredible game 2
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Nony just keeps amazing me. WOOOOOOOOT!
Nony FTW!!!
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United States20622 Posts
Gosia should have done more sunkens ;;
8-10 sunks at nat would have worked better than 30 lings
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Last PvZ of TSL #1
Please include better z maps for #2!
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Gah.............we need more Z.
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He should've done what Savior did against Free on Zodiac in which he did Muta play with mass expos and mass sunkens, target fired Archons with sunkens and cleaned up zealots with mutalisks.
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On May 19 2008 08:06 Boblion wrote:
TT gosia should have mass sunks instead of slowlings -.-
Yeah, probably... more drones mining the minerals at his hidden expos would have helped too. Mass sunkens let you defend them pretty well with muta as backup.
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jeeez, look at savior! the way to play the pure muta build against p is to build MASS SUNKS! had he build mass sunks at his expo he would have won
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poor zergs
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On May 19 2008 08:07 Last Romantic wrote:
Gosia should have done more sunkens ;;
8-10 sunks at nat would have worked better than 30 lings
i was wondering this too.
i'm pretty newb but i'm amazed more zerg don't mass sunks like haypro (or at least when toss begins to move out).
haypro (i think it was) always secure his expos with mass sunks/spore and just overruns toss.
it's too bad he had to play a terran.
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wow, i am in severe awe of nony now
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On May 19 2008 08:10 Spike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 08:07 Last Romantic wrote:
Gosia should have done more sunkens ;;
8-10 sunks at nat would have worked better than 30 lings i was wondering this too. i'm pretty newb but i'm amazed more zerg don't mass sunks like haypro (or at least when toss begins to move out). haypro (i think it was) always secure his expos with mass sunks/spore and just overruns toss. it's too bad he had to play a terrn.
The thing with static defence is that they are immobile and very limited in what they can do.
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Nony plays perfectly there is no slip from him. He will go through the next round.
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On May 19 2008 08:10 Spike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 08:07 Last Romantic wrote:
Gosia should have done more sunkens ;;
8-10 sunks at nat would have worked better than 30 lings i was wondering this too. i'm pretty newb but i'm amazed more zerg don't mass sunks like haypro. haypro (i think it was) always secure his expos with mass sunks/spore and just overruns toss. it's too bad he had to play a terrn.
i assumed he wanted a mobile force so that he could defend if nony decided to go for gosia's other expos.
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Only Draco can Nony stop I think.
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It just sucks to see foreign Zergs melt under those IMBA Psy Storms... =(
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Looks like three protosses and Brat in the final. Sounds good for Brat playing against JF who is better at PvZ than PvT (sound familiar?) and I look forward to seeing Nony own that cocky liar Draco (yea you do practice).
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PvP finals here we come :D
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Is Nony 2-0 now or is it over?
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PvP finals? don't forget bout Brat-Ok. I didn't think brat-ok would make it if there was a strong zerg he had to face, but if Nony wins vs gosia, with 3 protoss in semi-finals Brat has a great chance of winning!
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On May 19 2008 08:11 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 08:10 Spike wrote:On May 19 2008 08:07 Last Romantic wrote:
Gosia should have done more sunkens ;;
8-10 sunks at nat would have worked better than 30 lings i was wondering this too. i'm pretty newb but i'm amazed more zerg don't mass sunks like haypro. haypro (i think it was) always secure his expos with mass sunks/spore and just overruns toss. it's too bad he had to play a terrn. i assumed he wanted a mobile force so that he could defend if nony decided to go for gosia's other expos.
mobility was my assumption too but it just seems much much safer to make sure you can survive the toss push and then macro your ass off with your secured expos.
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personally i do not think jf will lose to brat_ok's style
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bisu build bisu build bisu build
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On May 19 2008 08:13 o3.power91 wrote:Is Nony 2-0 now or is it over?
It's 2-0 right now.
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lol at Artosis for saying that Gosia pulling out a "Sauron" attack. lol
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Gosia is upgrading early preparing for late game IMO.
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the reason gosia got 2 hydra den was because he wanted zerglings, hydras, and lurkers all in his army. U can see it with the 3 evos. If he had 1 den, he would delay his lurker which can be crucial. By allowing 2 dens, upgrades can be done faster
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those storms are gonna cut gosia's army down really quickly :/
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woah it started when i left for the pub and it's still going when I get back!
sw33t
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France1963 Posts
Dodging storms or even trying not to run into them could be a good idea...
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wow, that was a fat battle. heavy losses on both sides, no gains
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ouch this hurts to watch 8[ other than mondi it seems like no foreign Z player can compete with the top P foreigners in a straight-up zvp nowadays
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NonY should pull a Dreiven and take the other expo's main and natural.
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stop running into storms
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no sunk style kinda rare to see
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nice flanks
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gosia got it. His eco/macro should overwhelm nony soon despite of storms
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gosia's gas economy is REALLY kicking in now
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France1963 Posts
OK Gosia should take this.
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Dragoons are great until a battle is lost and they all die to cracklings... <_<
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Another Zerg win on Wuthering Heights.
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nice unit mix. ultra speed+hydra speed+zerg speed
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storm crazy on that choke! cmon gosia!!
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Impressive macro for Gosia, but so many damn storms.
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omg those storms...christ.
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gosia now up 40 supply somehow
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France1963 Posts
On May 19 2008 08:32 Vasoline73 wrote:
PSI storm imba
Cracklings imba
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somehow reminds me of Blackman, amazing!
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COME ON NONY YOU CAN DO IT
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ooo, nony shouldve held that choke on the 9 inside nat
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Impressive comeback from Gosia
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Zergs 2-0 on Wuthering today.
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I think if Gosia just plays for the lategame and very safely he will beat Nony every time, his late game is far better than Nony's
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Would a reaver switch had done any better?
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this macro style is soo great gogo gosia ^^
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whew im glad it wasnt a sweep by nony
gosia fighting!
give that boi a run for his money
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On May 19 2008 08:35 Jyvblamo wrote:Zergs 2-0 on Wuthering today.
Mondragon should watch those games
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France1963 Posts
I'm far from their level of play but I think Nony should have switched to Archons earlier ; making so many goons vs cracklings was not the best choice, IMHO.
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Canada6683 Posts
wow what a game
He was playing so weird but then out of nowhere he took a huge lead and won :o
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Interesting how Zodiac is like 66% in favor of zerg in zvp on the pro level and how its reversed so far on TSL.
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I have a feeling NonY will lose on Zodiac.
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i think that nony's decision to expo at the double gas was the main problem, he was forced to defend the front and the cliff, not allowing him to be flexible and take down zerg expos
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United States20622 Posts
Gosia very good :D
let's do this~
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Ok now. Last zvp in TSL #1.
I am totally sure Nony will finish it now.
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United States16963 Posts
wow...amazing.
good luck nony
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this series is so divisive for me; i rooting for nony, but i want the last zerg to advance too
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On May 19 2008 08:37 alphafuzard wrote:
i think that nony's decision to expo at the double gas was the main problem, he was forced to defend the front and the cliff, not allowing him to be flexible and take down zerg expos
I think expanding at the double gas was a good choice. It allows Protoss to defend the expansion AND attack Zerg. Both paths leads to Zerg base.
The far double gas, he tried to get later, but couldn't because he had no units there to defend it.
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just a technical note, the lil display thing doesnt count zerg egg supply
for example in the beginning when zerg makes his drone, it still says 4 supply
not a biggie but maybe clean it up a lil
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On May 19 2008 08:39 [X]Ken_D wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 08:37 alphafuzard wrote:
i think that nony's decision to expo at the double gas was the main problem, he was forced to defend the front and the cliff, not allowing him to be flexible and take down zerg expos I think expanding at the double gas was a good choice. It allows Protoss to defend the expansion AND attack Zerg. Both paths leads to Zerg base.
but the cliff lurkers force his army to jump back and forth
just my 2c anyways gg
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On May 19 2008 08:39 [X]Ken_D wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 08:37 alphafuzard wrote:
i think that nony's decision to expo at the double gas was the main problem, he was forced to defend the front and the cliff, not allowing him to be flexible and take down zerg expos I think expanding at the double gas was a good choice. It allows Protoss to defend the expansion AND attack Zerg. Both paths leads to Zerg base.
but it forces the pathing distance between p and z to be really close- in a close battle, close pathing distances usually favor zerg, becuase they can generate more psi and units faster
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On May 19 2008 08:40 alphafuzard wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 08:39 [X]Ken_D wrote:On May 19 2008 08:37 alphafuzard wrote:
i think that nony's decision to expo at the double gas was the main problem, he was forced to defend the front and the cliff, not allowing him to be flexible and take down zerg expos I think expanding at the double gas was a good choice. It allows Protoss to defend the expansion AND attack Zerg. Both paths leads to Zerg base. but the cliff lurkers force his army to jump back and forth just my 2c anyways gg
Yeah, that plus the fact he lost his assim there twice (I think ? at least once) put him firmly behind.
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On May 19 2008 08:40 alphafuzard wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 08:39 [X]Ken_D wrote:On May 19 2008 08:37 alphafuzard wrote:
i think that nony's decision to expo at the double gas was the main problem, he was forced to defend the front and the cliff, not allowing him to be flexible and take down zerg expos I think expanding at the double gas was a good choice. It allows Protoss to defend the expansion AND attack Zerg. Both paths leads to Zerg base. but the cliff lurkers force his army to jump back and forth just my 2c anyways gg
What's to stop Gosia from cliff lurkers even if NonY took the far double gas?
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On May 19 2008 08:40 alphafuzard wrote:just a technical note, the lil display thing doesnt count zerg egg supply for example in the beginning when zerg makes his drone, it still says 4 supply not a biggie but maybe clean it up a lil
i think it counts it once the drone is actually produced. so if he is 4/9, the counter won't go up to 5/9 until the 5th drone actually pops out of the egg
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On May 19 2008 08:42 allowicious wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 08:40 alphafuzard wrote:just a technical note, the lil display thing doesnt count zerg egg supply for example in the beginning when zerg makes his drone, it still says 4 supply not a biggie but maybe clean it up a lil i think it counts it once the drone is actually produced. so if he is 4/9, the counter won't go up to 5/9 until the 5th drone actually pops out of the egg
how do they generate the little display anyway? just wondering...
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omg this game is just like sAviOr vs free on zodiac.
Same starting positions and Gosia took the exact same expos as sAviOr
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I'm starting to think the spire was a fake for mass muta... but then he built some. It would have been hilarious for Nony to expect mass muta and run into mass hydra. :>
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gosia is all over the map. lets see where he goes with this
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NonY lost all his corsairs plus Gosia takes NonY's far expo for his own. It's over
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wow i never would have expected this...seems like its gonna be 2-2 soon after going down 0-2
edit: I wrote this prior to gosia getting raped by storms.
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France1963 Posts
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Mass muta vs mass archons guess who win....
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France1963 Posts
And the Spire goes down AGAIN :D
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FFS gosia make a switch or hive tech !
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Sweden1368 Posts
ok just sunken up and go ultra/ling > win!
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shield battery would be nice
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gosia got mopped on up on that retreat by nony
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GOSIA NEEDS TO TRANSITION TO ULTRAS RIGHT NOW!!!
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greater spire
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what does explosive damage have to do against shields? dont shields take full damage from everything anyway?
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France1963 Posts
Actually, he's going for Greater Spire. We'll see how it ends.
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1,8k mins but only 3 sunkens... he should lose
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Archons > mutas you understand now ?
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But Guardians > archons KK ?
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France1963 Posts
Cracklings + Guards will do damage.
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gosia has to take an island.
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Sweden1368 Posts
sigh, losing that natural+ main was so silly, 2 more sunkens and game was won...
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o geez this is a big problem for gosia
looks like no zergs in semis
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France1963 Posts
On May 19 2008 08:58 Boblion wrote:
ANd Sairs > guards T-T
And Scourges > Sairs :D But I don't see any sair here.
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Gosia should have played like on wuthering hydra / ling / lurk into hive.
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near a dozen archons. this is gonna be over soon
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gosia
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eh doesnt swarm not let sunkens attack?
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GGs
Another protoss passing.
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Gawd! I really couldn't see NonY winning that one!!!! Best match of Ro8!!
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Gosia really dont know when to switch shuld have won this game easily
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Fuck...........No zergs =(
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yeah questionable placement on the swarm, but it wouldnt have made a difference anyhow.
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Yes, yes, yes, YEEEEEEEEEEEESSS. WOOOoooot. Nony is so awesome. Not invincible, but awesome!!
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T-T
I hope that Nony will be beat cocky Draco now... But i wanted Gosia to win .
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hahaha .. he had no minerals.. good thing he had so many units already
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Nony ftw!
Cmon, I need that mousepad.
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2/2 today too
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hahaha "yup they were not easy"
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shit game.
Gosia needs more management skills. He clearly had an economic advantage but wasted on poor unit choice and bad defense.
He shoulda made some more sunks at his nat instead of lings.
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shoulda just switch to heavy ultra ling as soon as u get gas/map control so u can bulldozer the protoss
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Oh wow, the commentators are interviewing NonY!! Sweeet. :_
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gosia played way more sexy... winner of the hearts!
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shame to see Gosia go out, he sure looked like the more creative player in those games
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Ask him to do his probe imitation!
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YES!! Nony please stomp Draco.
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I wouldnt say they were easy
yup not easy
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awww
It's up to brat_ok to win this now. 
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On May 19 2008 09:06 Jyvblamo wrote:
Ask him to do his probe imitation!
Hahaha Fantastic idea!
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LOL LIVE Bonus Interview! Niceeee. TSL keep getting better
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Yes, Nony FTW!! BEAT DRACO!!
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YAY! Credits! How nice of TSL to do those for once. Very sexy music.
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Mass mutas don't seem to work vs P..............too much splash damage shit >_<
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brat v nony for grand finals!
gosia was a fun player to watch. i was waiting for a tech change that never came
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bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
gg
(reading the credits hurts my eyes)
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thanks to everyone on the staff for another great broadcast!
thanks razer!
GG's - great job
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Great games today. Looking forward to the next round.
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Calgary25749 Posts
130 PMs to Hot_Bid! Good job team!
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Nony vs Draco will be so fucking epic i can't even imagine it... Nony will stomp draco in the first game, then, draco being the emotional player he is, will bring out his absolute best play in an epic 40 minute game and take it from there.
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Calgary25749 Posts
[18:09] how many you got
[18:09] <@HotBid> 130
[18:10] <@HotBid> seriously
[18:10] LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[18:10] <@HotBid> fuck
[18:10] <@R1CH> ugh
[18:10] ROFL
[18:10] REALLY?
[18:10] <@R1CH> bad link in the credits
[18:10] 130?
[18:10] <@HotBid> do u know
[18:10] <@HotBid> how long
[18:10] REALLY?
[18:10] <@HotBid> its going to take me
[18:10] LMAO
[18:10] <@HotBid> to delete these
[18:10] HOTBID
[18:10] HAHAAHAHAHAHA
[18:10] AHAHAHAHAAHAH
[18:10] ROFLROFL
[18:10] <@HotBid> omfg
[18:10] CHILLLLLLLL
[18:10] 2GOOD
[18:10] <@HotBid> that yellow thing
[18:10] <@HotBid> is goign to be there forever
[18:10] <@HotBid> what link?
[18:10] looooool
[18:10] LOL
[18:11] it takes so long
[18:11] to click each one
[18:11] ahahahahah
[18:11] <@HotBid> fuck
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omg gosia should've won the last game...
well gg's anyway...
gogo brat, kill the toss scum - -v
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great games once again today
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On May 19 2008 09:12 Senx wrote:
Nony vs Draco will be so fucking epic i can't even imagine it... Nony will stomp draco in the first game, then, draco being the emotional player he is, will bring out his absolute best play in an epic 40 minute game and take it from there.
I know what you mean, I hope NonY beats Draco too. I can feel your enthusiasm, but let's cut down on the swearing though.
Also, lolz at HotBid. Thanks for telling us how many PM's he got Chill as well as that little conversation on the IRC.
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On May 19 2008 09:19 Attolite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 09:12 Senx wrote:
Nony vs Draco will be so fucking epic i can't even imagine it... Nony will stomp draco in the first game, then, draco being the emotional player he is, will bring out his absolute best play in an epic 40 minute game and take it from there. I know what you mean, I hope NonY beats Draco too. I can feel your enthusiasm, but let's cut down on the swearing though. Also, lolz at HotBid. Thanks for telling us how many PM's he got Chill as well as that little conversation on the IRC.
I don't think you understand what he wrote. He's saying Draco is going to win.
Nony's PvP is really strong and he's a smart player. I predict he's gonna beat Draco 3-1.
Brat over JF 3-1.
Brat vs Nony final.
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I went to go eat dinner when Gosia had a pretty commanding lead after deflecting the attack on his natural and I came back and it was like... wow, how in the world did he fall so far behind after being in command? :>
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On May 19 2008 09:20 ahole-surprise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 09:19 Attolite wrote:On May 19 2008 09:12 Senx wrote:
Nony vs Draco will be so fucking epic i can't even imagine it... Nony will stomp draco in the first game, then, draco being the emotional player he is, will bring out his absolute best play in an epic 40 minute game and take it from there. I know what you mean, I hope NonY beats Draco too. I can feel your enthusiasm, but let's cut down on the swearing though. Also, lolz at HotBid. Thanks for telling us how many PM's he got Chill as well as that little conversation on the IRC. I don't think you understand what he wrote. He's saying Draco is going to win. Nony's PvP is really strong and he's a smart player. I predict he's gonna beat Draco 3-1. Brat over JF 3-1. Brat vs Nony final.
Hmmm, I guess I didn't fully understand what Senx posted back there, but I'm glad that you're rooting for Nony too.
But yea, Brat is going to pwn JF so bad just like he did over Mondi. But anyway, alot of people were watching today. I think there were a little over 1000 people active at one time and a little over 400 people who were logged in! gj to the Razer TSL for a well casted stream today as well as a thank you for interviewing Nony, that was really awesome to hear his voice and give some personal info on the match that he lost against Gosia.
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NoNy Fighting Q( -.-)=O !!
Draco Fighting p( ø.o)©!!
all others best of luck next TSL
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On May 19 2008 09:28 Attolite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 09:20 ahole-surprise wrote:On May 19 2008 09:19 Attolite wrote:On May 19 2008 09:12 Senx wrote:
Nony vs Draco will be so fucking epic i can't even imagine it... Nony will stomp draco in the first game, then, draco being the emotional player he is, will bring out his absolute best play in an epic 40 minute game and take it from there. I know what you mean, I hope NonY beats Draco too. I can feel your enthusiasm, but let's cut down on the swearing though. Also, lolz at HotBid. Thanks for telling us how many PM's he got Chill as well as that little conversation on the IRC. I don't think you understand what he wrote. He's saying Draco is going to win. Nony's PvP is really strong and he's a smart player. I predict he's gonna beat Draco 3-1. Brat over JF 3-1. Brat vs Nony final. Hmmm, I guess I didn't fully understand what Senx posted back there, but I'm glad that you're rooting for Nony too. But yea, Brat is going to pwn JF so bad just like he did over Mondi. But anyway, alot of people were watching today. I think there were a little over 1000 people active at one time and a little over 400 people who were logged in! gj to the Razer TSL for a well casted stream today as well as a thank you for interviewing Nony, that was really awesome to hear his voice and give some personal info on the match that he lost against Gosia. Uh brat didnt beat mondi. and since JF is toss i doubt he would beat jf in the same manner he beat mondi anyways
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Oopsy! Sorry, not Mondi, I meant Dreiven. I stayed up all night from 3:30 AM watching the stream. But yea, Brat is totally gonna have to change his strategy according JF's playstyle because it's going to be a different ballpark here.
Question: Did you mean that since JF is toss you doubt that Brat would beat JF in the same manner Brat beat Dreiven? I think you got confused by me. Either that or I'm just too tired to follow you lol.
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jf is going to own Brat, he is the best foreigner right now but people still closing their eyes
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<zubrils> can protoss make zerglings?
<Centric_> yes
<grobo> yes
<True-Tension> yes
<fgsvsd> Yes
<Konnika> yes
<SAYASP_OK> STORM DROPZ?
<cornbreaded_OK> no
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On May 19 2008 06:35 kiendudu wrote:
MYM suck, their players can't compete other players, look at Dinot and Dreiven T.T
dreiven vs ...mondragon?
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Gosia has awesome macro but his control... -_-;;
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On May 19 2008 11:59 Mortality wrote:
Gosia has awesome macro but his control... -_-;;
gosia and dinot are like complete opposites.
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If only they could fuse into one person...
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On May 19 2008 14:30 Semagdnim wrote:
If only they could fuse into one person...
team melee?
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where are the f... results!!!!!!!!!!
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Not sure who was supposed to post results, but I updated the news post. VODs coming real soon.
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ZERGS!!!
nooooooooooooooo
Im torn on who I want to win now. Draco annoys me, so I know it's not him. I've actually yet to see brat play... nony i think is good, and I was quite impressed with JF yesterday.
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I don't know why someone would say GOsia's macro is awesome. He greed expo'ed like Savior, then massed a bunch of hatcheries. But that's a far cry from saying his macro is awesome. 5k gas float is not awesome macro. Mass mutas into Guardian/Devourers vs Toss is definitely not awesome macro. The mass mutas were really great and got him a good advantage with their mobility, but there's a time when you realize that your strat has paid off and you need to switch into the next step. He just continued to mass mutas like a maniac, when Protoss has 3 fantastic counters to it. The commentators were talking about how they never see this strat vs Toss, and that's exactly the reason why. No matter how many mutas you get, your entire army will die to 2 storms if they're bunched together. Who invests that much money into something that utterly dies to 2 storms?
He really needed to transition into massive lurker/ling/hydra attacks or just go straight for mass ultra/ling/filers. I am lost for words why he continued to mass mutas. He massed mutas on five gas the 2nd game and lost. Why didn't he learn his lesson?! Still, it was a very entertaining match and both players play at a level I'd never achieve. But SC's become one hell of a spectator sport now, so I exercise my right as a fan to critique
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I can't wait to watch the vods from day 2. NonY Fighting!
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I want to see TvP grand final. It's my favourite matchup to watch.
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[TSL Ro8] White-rA vs Draco Game 5
Artosis is commentating with Chill right?
Artosis is an amazing SC player right?
I`m not accusing him of being a newb at all, I respect the guy,
Just wondering why he was sumwhat unsure of which does more damage a reaver or a dt...
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most likelý he didn't meant what he said, but dt's with 100dmg would sure be nice
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hahaha a slight imba maybe???
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ohh gonna watch some imba games when i get home ;] hopefully not 4 tosses :s
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anyone have the nony/gosia/draco games on youtube? I dun wanna dl from tracker -_-
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