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July 17th, 2013 22:20 GMT
2013 WCS KOREA
WCS Korea Season II

Ro16 - Day Six Preview
Final Day

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Ro16: Day Six Preview

by CosmicSpiral, PigsCanFly, stuchiu

The round of sixteen is nearly over, and we know who five of our quarter-finalists will be. However, Group A and Group C still have some unfinished business. While Soulkey has clinched the #1 spot in Group A, there's still the matter of the second place. That will be taken care of in a winner-take-all series between (Z)Symbol and (Z)soO.

Meanwhile, Group C looks destined to head to a tie-breaker between (P)First, (Z)hyvaa, and Rain. OnGameNet's nonsensical scheduling has made it so the fate of the group lies in Fantasy's hands—not the most desirable place considering Fantasy is already eliminated and must face his teammate. We'll elaborate on this ridiculousness in a bit.

Finally, we have some matches that are pretty much just for pride, as INnoVation takes on Bomber and Kangho faces Maru. While there won't be any stakes in those matches, they should at least provide some good information on the strategies being developed in the post-hellbat world.

Group A
1.(Z)Soulkey3 - 0
2.(Z)soO1 - 1
3.(Z)Symbol1 - 1
4.(P)PartinG0 - 3
Group B
1.(T)INnoVation2 - 0
1.(T)Bomber2 - 0
3.(T)Flash1 - 2
4.(T)Bbyong0 - 3
Group C
1.(Z)hyvaa2 - 1
2.(P)First2 - 1
3.(P)Rain1 - 1
4.(T)FanTaSy0 - 2
Group D
1.(T)Maru2 - 0
2.(T)SuperNova2 - 1
3.(P)Trap1 - 2
4.(Z)KangHo0 - 2


(Z)Symbol vs. (Z)soO (Winner advances to Ro8, loser eliminated)
by stuchiu

Going into Group A, just about everyone expected Soulkey to advance while Symbol, Parting and Soo would fight each other for a chance to move on to the playoff bracket. It's played out that way for the most part, with Soulkey going 3 - 0 and cruising to the Ro8. PartinG turned out to be the punching bag of the group and he's out with a 0 - 3 record. Now it's down to soO and Symbol for second place, with both having performed strongly leading into the most important match of the night. The winner takes all, and the loser goes home.

This isn't just a battle to advance to the Ro8 and earn a Code S seed for the next season. It's a battle to get some goddamn respect. Symbol is looking for that championship he knows is so close. He has gone from season to season constantly changing and reinventing himself to adapt to the changing times, and he's been rewarded for his chameleon like ways with constant high finishes in the GSL. Unfortunately for Symbol, his consistently high level of play is always being overshadowed by hotter, less stable Zerg players like Life, RorO, or even Sniper who happened to peak higher.

As for soO, this may be his only chance to get out of the shadows, and wash away that "SKT" Zerg taint. SKT Zergs have been the butt of jokes since the Brood War days, and on a team with Parting, Fantasy, Bisu and Rain, Soo’s chances of becoming noticed or appreciated were always going to be low. He can never inherit the legacy of Boxer like Fantasy, have the fangirls of Bisu, or the showmanship of Parting. All he has can have is the SKT Zerg legacy, a legacy more known for its blunders than successes. So for Soo, this is it. This is his chance to come out of the shadows and become the champion that SKT1 needs. With their chances in PL over, all of the SKT1 fans will be looking to the OSL to watch their favorite team. Though Soo may not be the champion they want, he will give everything he has to try and reach the promised land.

This will be a complex battle between the two players. Symbol likes roaches and Soo likes mutas. Soo will want to get to mutas and take the map. Symbol will want to bust Soo before then or dig in for a late game war. On top of that, both players have a tendency to ling-bling bust their opponents early on in the game as well making this a very hard series for both players to prepare for. This series is a hard one to call, but I’ll go with Symbol because he has been more consistent, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Soo made it out either.

Prediction: Symbol 2 - 1 Soo


(T)ST_Bomber vs. (T)STX_INnoVation (No effect on group)
by PigsCanFly

It turns out that Bomber’s TvT is actually pretty good. He has a fantastic 13-3 record (81.25% winrate), with his only serious loss coming against Ryung in GSTL. However, a close look at the stats paints a less flattering picture – most of his victories have come against players with average or poor TvT – Bbyong is 3-10, Keen is 3-6, and while Taeja is 21-19, it is by far the weakest of his matchups, with 21-19 compared to 24-13 vs. Z and 20-8 vs. P. His most notable victory came in his last group game against Flash, yet similarly to Taeja, Flash’s TvT is erratic and much less stable than his TvZ.

Bomber’s build orders this GSL have been interesting. He used a variety of anti-hellbat builds against Bbyong and Flash pre-patch, showing that he knows how to play the Terran mirror without its once staple. His sky-hellbat-thor-tank army against Flash showed that he has deep knowledge of the matchup and is capable of building interesting compositions in order to get the jump on his opponents. The return of banshee openings should also favour Bomber as he is used to them from his early WoL days.

Facing Bomber is INnoVation, the undisputed best player in the world and robot extraordinaire, fresh off two ace match victories in the SPL Playoffs. However, if there is any match-up where he is fallible, it is TvT, where he "only" has a 20-9 win rate (Yes, I know that’s still really good but it’s not as good as his 30-10 TvZ or his 24-6 TvZ). Yet, INnoVation’s TvT record, just like everything else about him, is superhuman. Even back in WoL, INnoVation had a 17-5 win record and he is unbeaten in Bo3s bar a single loss against Flash in MLG Winter (which counts for less as players had just switched to HotS). I mean, there isn’t much more to say. INnoVation is just really, really good.

Bomber’s TvT appears strong but I’m not 100% convinced he can beat INnoVation. INnoVation has proven himself adept at adapting to innovative builds like Savage’s proxy hatch in the Ro32, so Bomber’s off kilter builds might be less effective than they would be against another player. I’d say INnoVation would take this with a 2-0 any other day, but STX’s Ace player is busy trying to win more things in SPL, and might put a bit less preparation into this (relatively) meaningless match than he otherwise might. Furthermore, Bomber needs to win this more – finishing second means a chance of drawing Soulkey in the Ro8, who is probably the scariest opponent besides INnoVation. INnoVation on the other hand, is probably itching for a rematch after his dramatic collapse in last season’s finals and would probably beat Soulkey bar another brain fart. Still, I suspect INnoVation will be just too good, and perhaps Bomber might even welcome a loss since it would keep Bomber’s Law from activating, while a victory would start the Bomber hype train full steam ahead into an inevitable crash.

Prediction: INnoVation 2 – 1 Bomber


(T)SKT_FanTaSy vs. (P)SKT_Rain
(If Rain wins, three-way tiebreaker between Rain, hyvaa, and First. If Fantasy wins, Rain is eliminated and First and hyvaa advance)

by CosmicSpiral

So it’s finally come to this. In a bizarre coincidence two teammates must face off with far different stakes, one at the verge of elimination and the one with nothing to fight for besides pride. It’s an awkward scenario that should never have occurred in the first place but has huge implications for the rest of the group.


I imagine something like this is going on in Fantasy's head.

If Fantasy wins he knocks his teammate out of the tournament and leaves all of SKT’s chances in OSL up to soO. SKT fans all just shuddered in unison. If Fantasy loses, it conveniently sets up a 3 way tie between Rain, hyvaa and First to be determined by BO1 tiebreakers. There’s no guarantee Rain would get out against such a crazy Zerg and solid Protoss, but it would at least give him a chance to keep defending his title. No matter how seriously Fantasy takes this match, he will be severely scrutinized from the outside. People will nitpick every single decision and error and wonder if it was intentional or an accident. Did he really get caught offguard by the zealot-archon push or did he pull his SCVs too late to make it seem like he didn’t know it was coming?

On the other hand, this could be a very important win for (P)Rain right now. The supposed best player on SKT had a miserable run in the SPL playoffs, losing every set as well as the crucial ace match of the second series. Even though those failures were reasonable in hindsight (PvP is Rain’s weakest matchup and Innovation is the best Terran in the world at the moment) they were a somewhat stinging blow to his reputation as a consistent and dependable player. Such losses can induce doubt and uncertainty into a player’s mind.

Ignoring all of the external circumstances, Rain is just more solid in the matchup. Rain is 18-12 but 6 of those losses have come against Innovation. Without him in the picture he has only lost one series to Gumiho all the way back in April while taking out the likes of Bomber, Taeja, and Keen in impressive macro games. Fantasy’s 9-14 record in TvP doesn’t begin to express how shaky he has looked over the entirety of HotS. In BO1 scenarios he has taken out threats like Jangbi, Dear, and HerO with clever builds and timings but so far he hasn’t won a Bo3. Both players will be intimately familiar with each other's builds and strategies but it's hard to know who that favors. Rain has been exploited recently for his overly predictable, safe style and lack of scouting but Fantasy has been similarly beaten by players who punish his economic greed. I'll take the safe route and say Rain takes this match easily.

Prediction: Rain 2 -0 Fantasy


(T)MaruPrime vs. (Z)LG-IM_KangHo (No effect on group)
by stuchiu

In some ways, this group for Kangho was probably the hardest group conceivable. His group was made up of Trap, Supernova and Maru. Trap has sharp aggressive timings that kill a Zerg before he gets into the macro mid-game. Supernova has sharp aggressive timings that run the Zerg ragged from the early game to the mid game to the late game, never letting Zerg a chance to breathe. Maru has sharp aggressive timings that kill a Zerg as fast as possible, whether that means using proxy reapers or proxy marines.

And Kangho’s greatest weakness is that he plays a largely defensive macro style until he gets to the late game. Against players that have unique styles made to abuse his, Kangho’s chances in this group were always going to be low. So it came as no surprise when he got slaughtered by both Trap and Supernova. Kangho’s chances in this match don’t look to be any better.

No, the real story of this match will be Maru. Maru, one of the champions of the Hellbat. Maru, in the last pre-hellbat nerf TvT EVER IN KOREA, betrayed everything I thought he stood for as he went for all bio builds in all three of his games. Will Maru continue to abandon the hellbat, or will he use them one last time as a sort of eulogy to a unit that has done so much for him?

Prediction: Maru 2 - 0 Kangho


More WCS Korea / Starleague Coverage

July 22 – First and Rain advance to Ro8 after triple tiebreakers.
July 17 – SuperNoVa secures his Ro8 spot while First faces the possibility of tie-breakers.
July 12 – Soulkey, Bomber, Maru cinch Ro8 spots; PartinG and Flash eliminated.
July 10 – First continues his surprise run, defeating Rain to go up 2 - 0 in Group B.
July 3 – First's immaculate PvT shines on first day of Ro16 matches
June 28 – SKT duo of PartinG and Rain advance from the final day of the Ro32
June 28 – Groups for Starleague Ro16 announced, Innovation and Flash in group B.


Writers: ComicSpiral, PigsCanFly, stuchiu
Graphics: wo1fwood.
Editor: Waxangel.
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opterown *
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Australia54784 Posts
July 17 2013 22:49 GMT
#2
gg maruprime
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Ricemagical
Profile Joined November 2010
270 Posts
July 17 2013 22:51 GMT
#3
I loved that video, as it perfectly exemplified the situation for Fantasy.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 23:01:00
July 17 2013 23:00 GMT
#4
Thanks for the preview! Rooting for Fantasy & Symbol to win their matches.
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painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
July 17 2013 23:07 GMT
#5
Want Fantasy to win so First can get through but not very likely to happen.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
thegnome
Profile Joined December 2012
Brazil68 Posts
July 17 2013 23:23 GMT
#6
Innovation vs Bomber will define the first and second place, it's not that it hasn't any effect on the group at all
FuRRie
Profile Joined February 2009
Belgium815 Posts
July 17 2013 23:31 GMT
#7
that group C situation is just messed up :/
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
July 17 2013 23:38 GMT
#8
I just want First and Rain through... but definitely First!
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Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 23:40:37
July 17 2013 23:38 GMT
#9
who ever writed this dont really know how good soo was in bw i think he got to semifinal or quarter final of an OSL so calling him mediocre is quite the thing
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Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 23:40:27
July 17 2013 23:40 GMT
#10
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 17 2013 23:46 GMT
#11
i'm sure a lot of players have made ro8 in bw osl but are considered unremarkable
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TRAvian
Profile Joined December 2012
23 Posts
July 17 2013 23:59 GMT
#12
On July 18 2013 07:20 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
(Yes, I know that’s still really good but it’s not as good as his 30-10 TvZ or his 24-6 TvZ)


Perhaps one of those should be TvP
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
July 18 2013 00:16 GMT
#13
So, Gom has always had intra-team matches played first in up and down groups. Any reason OGN doesn't do the same?
YoungTyTy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States801 Posts
July 18 2013 00:17 GMT
#14
On July 18 2013 08:38 MajOr wrote:
who ever writed this dont really know how good soo was in bw i think he got to semifinal or quarter final of an OSL so calling him mediocre is quite the thing

It doesn't call him mediocre. It just talks about the legacy of SKT zergs not being good and how Soo is not a spotlight player, which is obviously true when compared to the other players on the team as the article says. It doesn't even say anything about his results.
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
July 18 2013 00:22 GMT
#15
OGN really really fucked up. Rain is the better player and should win regardless, but its not like Fantasy would never be able to win this matchup normally. Fantasy wins "oh that jerk why didn't he let his teammate through, Rain wins "oh wow Fantasy threw so Rain would have a chance", dumb stuff happens either way. No doubt this should have been the very first match played in this group.

This RO16 format is nice in theory but the execution here is really not optimal. =/
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Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
July 18 2013 01:11 GMT
#16
Really sucks for Fantasy and Rain. I hope Rain gets out no matter what though. I'm still upset about PartinG T_T. Go Rain!
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United States97276 Posts
July 18 2013 01:46 GMT
#17
Go Maru even though the games dont matter!
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Profile Joined November 2012
United States104 Posts
July 18 2013 01:56 GMT
#18
i dont really understand how this isnt considered more of a big deal, this seems to seriously call into question the legitimacy of the tourney to me. Isnt this the revered holy ground of korean tournaments and this is the format it has held to over the years? Has this never occurred during OSL's of the past? I didnt mind the BO1's during the first round, but having half the matches in a night be inconsequential and then ending with this situation is leaving a bad taste in my mouth and i really cant wait to get back to a GSL personally
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Russian Federation604 Posts
July 18 2013 03:13 GMT
#19
awesomness!
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Germany10114 Posts
July 18 2013 03:55 GMT
#20
I feel so sad for Fantasy and STX, they basically lose whatever happens.
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 04:04:34
July 18 2013 04:04 GMT
#21
and THIS is exactly the reason why gslstyle tournaments are better...
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Ecstatic
Profile Joined January 2011
United States160 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 04:35:46
July 18 2013 04:35 GMT
#22
When will Bomber win a GSL?

I guess it'll be... when pigscanfly.

*sunglasses*
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
July 18 2013 05:04 GMT
#23
this writeup fails to take into consideration that the matches between Bomber and Innovation and between Maru and Losira DO matter because it makes a difference whether you're first or second in the group, and also if you're third of fourth in the group (relevant for Losira). i also would've liked to see predictions for the inevitable tiebreakers in group C, but otherwise i agree with all the predictions.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 05:05:43
July 18 2013 05:05 GMT
#24
On July 18 2013 14:04 Schelim wrote:
this writeup fails to take into consideration that the matches between Bomber and Innovation and between Maru and Losira DO matter because it makes a difference whether you're first or second in the group, and also if you're third of fourth in the group (relevant for Losira). i also would've liked to see predictions for the inevitable tiebreakers in group C, but otherwise i agree with all the predictions.

Maru is guaranteed first in the group because he beat Supernova and map scores arent used in OSL
Losira is guaranteed fourth for losing to Trap
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Austria11528 Posts
July 18 2013 05:07 GMT
#25
On July 18 2013 14:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 14:04 Schelim wrote:
this writeup fails to take into consideration that the matches between Bomber and Innovation and between Maru and Losira DO matter because it makes a difference whether you're first or second in the group, and also if you're third of fourth in the group (relevant for Losira). i also would've liked to see predictions for the inevitable tiebreakers in group C, but otherwise i agree with all the predictions.

Maru is guaranteed first in the group because he beat Supernova and map scores arent used in OSL
Losira is guaranteed fourth for losing to Trap

wiat i thought head to head isn't used either? if so, if Losira beats Maru there would be tiebreakers for Maru vs Supernova and for Losira vs Trap.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 18 2013 05:08 GMT
#26
On July 18 2013 14:07 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 14:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On July 18 2013 14:04 Schelim wrote:
this writeup fails to take into consideration that the matches between Bomber and Innovation and between Maru and Losira DO matter because it makes a difference whether you're first or second in the group, and also if you're third of fourth in the group (relevant for Losira). i also would've liked to see predictions for the inevitable tiebreakers in group C, but otherwise i agree with all the predictions.

Maru is guaranteed first in the group because he beat Supernova and map scores arent used in OSL
Losira is guaranteed fourth for losing to Trap

wiat i thought head to head isn't used either? if so, if Losira beats Maru there would be tiebreakers for Maru vs Supernova and for Losira vs Trap.

I could be wrong but I thought people in the LR were saying that the tiebreakers are only played for 3 way ties
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Austria11528 Posts
July 18 2013 05:17 GMT
#27
i guess we'll find out
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Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
July 18 2013 05:27 GMT
#28
Just a small typo: Innovation 30-10 TvZ -> should be TvP
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698 Posts
July 18 2013 05:32 GMT
#29
How is a 3-way tie breaker situation is solved?
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
July 18 2013 05:52 GMT
#30
On July 18 2013 10:56 izmatic wrote:
i dont really understand how this isnt considered more of a big deal, this seems to seriously call into question the legitimacy of the tourney to me. Isnt this the revered holy ground of korean tournaments and this is the format it has held to over the years? Has this never occurred during OSL's of the past? I didnt mind the BO1's during the first round, but having half the matches in a night be inconsequential and then ending with this situation is leaving a bad taste in my mouth and i really cant wait to get back to a GSL personally

They probably didnt consider this because in previous OSLs there actually was a Group selection ceremony where there was something like a gentlemen's agreement where they try to avoid teamkills as much as they can. Now, for some dumb reason, did a random ro16 drawing which is mainly to blame for this shitty situation. Its not that big of a deal because fantasy is already eliminated and rain is a favorite to win over fantasy in this case anyway but it couldve been worse. So OGN pls fix your shit next time you run WCS. Also, did we ever get an explanation why OGN didnt do a group selection ceremony anymore? No more extra time slot because of LoL most likely?
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Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
July 18 2013 08:01 GMT
#31
Congratz OSL. You've shown that despite your glorious legacy, you fail to understand how tournaments should be made, using Round Robin for the group stage, leading to this completely unacceptable situation.

I feel really sad for the players who end up in this situation (both Fantasy and Rain, but also First and hyvaa...).
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France3195 Posts
July 18 2013 08:29 GMT
#32
On July 18 2013 17:01 Ragnarork wrote:
Congratz OSL. You've shown that despite your glorious legacy, you fail to understand how tournaments should be made, using Round Robin for the group stage, leading to this completely unacceptable situation.

I feel really sad for the players who end up in this situation (both Fantasy and Rain, but also First and hyvaa...).



Funny how people switch so fast... A few weeks ago, Khaldor criticized OSL for the match format and everyone gave him shit: "GSL jealous", "respect the heritage", etc.

And now as this situation unfolds (which isnt really OSL fault, it's just how shit unfolds in round robin), everybody is giving shit to OSL (even the writer of this article).

Stand your grounds for once.
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
July 18 2013 08:38 GMT
#33
On July 18 2013 17:29 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 17:01 Ragnarork wrote:
Congratz OSL. You've shown that despite your glorious legacy, you fail to understand how tournaments should be made, using Round Robin for the group stage, leading to this completely unacceptable situation.

I feel really sad for the players who end up in this situation (both Fantasy and Rain, but also First and hyvaa...).



Funny how people switch so fast... A few weeks ago, Khaldor criticized OSL for the match format and everyone gave him shit: "GSL jealous", "respect the heritage", etc.

And now as this situation unfolds (which isnt really OSL fault, it's just how shit unfolds in round robin), everybody is giving shit to OSL (even the writer of this article).

Stand your grounds for once.


Or, just imagine for a moment, that there are two different sets of people saying these 2 different things. Lots of different people on the internet, no need to group everyone together like that, crazy I know but I think it might be reasonable. =D

Also it kinda is OSL's fault for not playing Rain vs. Fantasy first.
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Canada16217 Posts
July 18 2013 10:03 GMT
#34
On July 18 2013 14:32 SorrowShine wrote:
How is a 3-way tie breaker situation is solved?

bo 1 matches.
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
July 18 2013 11:13 GMT
#35
On July 18 2013 17:29 Douillos wrote:
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On July 18 2013 17:01 Ragnarork wrote:
Congratz OSL. You've shown that despite your glorious legacy, you fail to understand how tournaments should be made, using Round Robin for the group stage, leading to this completely unacceptable situation.

I feel really sad for the players who end up in this situation (both Fantasy and Rain, but also First and hyvaa...).



Funny how people switch so fast... A few weeks ago, Khaldor criticized OSL for the match format and everyone gave him shit: "GSL jealous", "respect the heritage", etc.

And now as this situation unfolds (which isnt really OSL fault, it's just how shit unfolds in round robin), everybody is giving shit to OSL (even the writer of this article).

Stand your grounds for once.


What ? How is what I'm saying related to people giving shit to Khaldor for what he said about that ?

Plus, "it's not the OSL fault, but Round Robin". It's the OSL fault for using Round Robin. It doesn't happen naturally, duh !

I criticized the GSL for using Round Robin in the blizzcup (which IMO is partly responsible for the Nestea/Naniwa scandal), so I fail to see how I could stand my ground even more....


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Philippines65 Posts
July 18 2013 11:47 GMT
#36
Bomber hype train, ACTIVATE!
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ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2864 Posts
July 18 2013 15:27 GMT
#37
Calling it now: Bomber vs. Innovation in the finals. Bomber gets a 3-0 lead, then chokes like a mofo to lose it 4-3. Winner's interview features attempts by the interviewer to draw a parallel to Innovation's similar choke against Soulkey, but Innovation completely misses the point and obviously doesn't know what the interviewer is talking about. Bomber gets "Bomber's Law" tattooed as a tramp stamp. Pigscanfly nods sagaciously.
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Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
July 18 2013 20:26 GMT
#38
Bomber!!!
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Profile Joined October 2011
Chile167 Posts
July 18 2013 20:37 GMT
#39
Yes Artosis said that Bomber will never win a GSL !
Now is your time Bomber...
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Neemi
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands656 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 22:26:52
July 18 2013 22:24 GMT
#40
On July 18 2013 17:29 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 17:01 Ragnarork wrote:
Congratz OSL. You've shown that despite your glorious legacy, you fail to understand how tournaments should be made, using Round Robin for the group stage, leading to this completely unacceptable situation.

I feel really sad for the players who end up in this situation (both Fantasy and Rain, but also First and hyvaa...).



Funny how people switch so fast... A few weeks ago, Khaldor criticized OSL for the match format and everyone gave him shit: "GSL jealous", "respect the heritage", etc.

And now as this situation unfolds (which isnt really OSL fault, it's just how shit unfolds in round robin), everybody is giving shit to OSL (even the writer of this article).

Stand your grounds for once.


You do know that it's very possible that the people who gave Khaldor shit are not the same people who are giving shit to OSL?

Besides, saying "I like round robin and OSL in general, but maybe they could've prevented ENDING with Rain vs. Fantasy" isn't really moving grounds. I assume people who said they didn't mind the OSL format didn't consider this particular coincidence.

Anyway, like the writers I didn't expect Kangho/Bomber to win 2-0! I expected something along the line of the predictions here. But well played and I'm glad First/Rain got through so at least hyvaa won't be the most hated person this season haha
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BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
July 21 2013 22:21 GMT
#41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OVv-J-LXQU
I imagine something like this is going on in Fantasy's head.

Is that... Krilllin's voice?
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