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WCS EU: Ro32 Group E Preview (Season 2)

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WCS EU: Ro32 Group E Preview (Season 2)

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July 9th, 2013 02:28 GMT
2013 WCS Europe

WCS Europe Season 2 - Premier League



Ro32: Group E Preview
BabyKnight, Welmu, Ret, ThorZaIN


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Ro32 Group E Preview

Matches begin in:

This week we head into the second half of the online, Ro32 groups, where eight more players will earn spots at the live, Ro16 stage of the tournament. After a Korean heavy first four groups, the remaining four will be exclusively European with the exception of ForGG, who's kinda European anyway.

Qualified for Ro16 so far: (T)Mvp, (T)MMA, (Z)Tefel, (Z)Stephano, (P)MC, (P)MaNa, (P)HasuObs, (P)duckdeok

Group E: BabyKnight, Welmu, ThorZaIN, Ret

by: Kollin

1. (P)NaVi.BabyKnight

Babyknight is the typical European Protoss. He can safely get up to three bases and assemble a fearsome deathball, he can all-in with precision and grace, and he can occasionally beat a good Korean player in a big match. With his strong all-around play, BabyKnight has risen up the ranks and has been hovering just outside the championship tier of Europe for some time now (top six at WCS EU '12, top eight in the previous WCS Premier League). While strong Koreans and elite European have been his bane, neither of those are in his group. ThorZaIN and Ret are not the players they used to be and a PvP against Welmu is a 50/50 proposition, which makes BabyKnight the favorite to top this group.

However, he still faces much danger in the unpredictable maelstrom that is the PvP matchup. With BabyKnight and Welmu being fairly evenly matched on this front, the result could swing either way and put a hitch in the quiet Dane's plans. ThorZaIN should not prove to be too much of a problem though, as recently his TvP has been quite poor and BabyKnight should be able to roll over him barring creative strategies from the Swede. Ret should be a harder challenge, but BabyKnight is in better form than the Dutch Zerg at present. Barring the usual variance of competitive StarCraft II, BabyKnight should be able to advance.

2. (Z)Liquid`Ret

Long gone are the days where everyone would expect Ret to make deep runs in tournaments with his distinctive, drone-heavy macro style. In 2011 no one could seem to find a way to match his super greedy but surprisingly safe style, but as players learned more about timings and deception, Ret became a more ordinary player.

While Ret is still excellent at getting away with minimal defenses and droning up as well as flooding his opponents with endless lair units, he still lacks that engagement finesse that seems to elude all European Zergs but Stephano. On days when things are clicking, he can swat aside his opponent's harassment and easily trample them with a superior army. When things go wrong he can often be seen wastefully throwing his armies into a meatgrinder, ensuring quite a few grimaces from the Dutch fans. Ret's recent 0 - 3 exits from both HomeStory Cup and DreamHack show, he's currently in one of those modes where nothing really seems to be going right for him.

And yet, this is a weird sort of group where I think Ret can prevail. While BabyKnight will be hard to beat, ThorZaIN is in a similar situation as Ret where he is just not performing well in recent weeks. On top of that, Welmu has struggled to make an impact in premier tournaments despite performing well in smaller tourneys. It's a close race for second place between Welmu, Ret, and ThorZaIN, but I give Ret the slight edge to go through.

3. (P)NrS.Welmu

Welmu comes into this group from the Challenger League, where he had a relatively soft group containing an out-of-form Nerchio and the relative unknown Darkhydra. While Welmu's performances in various online tournaments have been strong as always, good live tournament results always seem to elude him (even though he did end WoL as the best Finnish player). Even though this round of the tournament is online, Welmu faces an up hill battle to get out of this group.

However, Welmu does get the nod over ThorZaIN at least, as the Spoon Terran has been playing really bad lately. There is of course, the unignorable chance that weak, vulnerable version of Ret shows up, or Babyknight draws the short end of the stick in PvP build order battles. With a win over BabyKnight in the initial match, Welmu would stand a very good chance of making it to the Ro16.

4. (T)EG.ThorZaIN.RC

Thorzain - like Ret - has fallen far since his glory days in 2011 and 2012, and almost nobody expected the TSL3 and DH: Stockholm '12 winner to become so mediocre. The famous girlfriend curse seems to be in full effect as it's hard to consider ThorZaIN a title contender anymore. It's time for ThorZaIN to go lament with DongRaeGu and Stork, or ask Polt how to balance being in a relationship with performing at a championship level.

The high tempo of HotS doesn't suit the Spoon Terran's playstyle. While he definitely gets the most out of being slow and methodical, it just doesn't seem like he's utilizing Terran's full strength compared to players who are constantly active. Sure, ThorZaIN can hellbat drop with the best of them, but he's not in the 24/7 business of keeping his opponents miserable and permanently on their toes.

The recent results have not been good, as ThorZaIN was eliminated from MLG, HSC, and DreamHack Summer in the earlier rounds. While he has beat some notable players like DIMAGA and Lucky, the losses are stacking up far quicker than the wins.


More WCS Europe Season 2 Coverage

Aug 9 – Welmu and Duckdeok advance to Ro8 as Stephano plays his retirement matches.
Aug 8 – HasuObs and Grubby shock Mvp in Round of eight opener group.
July 18 – Russian duo of TitaN and Happy round out Ro16 by earning final two spots
July 17 – Terrans ForGG and Bunny eliminated as VortiX and Grubby move on
July 11 – NaNiwa and Lucifron top group F, Bly and uzer fall to Challenger
July 10 – Welmu takes first place in group E, upsetting Ret, BabyKnight, and ThorZaIN


Writers: kollin
Graphics: shiroiusagi
Banner photo: ESL
Editor: Waxangel.
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
July 09 2013 02:35 GMT
#2
Thanks for the preview!
Moderatorlickypiddy
Hossinaut
Profile Joined June 2011
United States453 Posts
July 09 2013 02:44 GMT
#3
Great preview! I gotta cheer for ThorZain though, I just love watching him play; and Ret was one of my other favorites back in the day. I would love to see them both back up to previous form without other compromises!
HououinKyouma
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia152 Posts
July 09 2013 02:45 GMT
#4
i agree with the rankings, but i think welmu could definitely upset some players. perhaps welmu and ret should be tied 2nd?
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Gorilla23
Profile Joined March 2012
United States339 Posts
July 09 2013 02:50 GMT
#5
About the GF thing, NesTea has said he may not have made the transition to SC2 successfully without the support of his GF and family.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 09 2013 03:04 GMT
#6
On July 09 2013 11:50 Gorilla23 wrote:
About the GF thing, NesTea has said he may not have made the transition to SC2 successfully without the support of his GF and family.


Mvp has also had a girlfriend since(at least) some time in 2011.

gogo thorzain and ret~ ro16 needs even more star power
Sorathez
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia209 Posts
July 09 2013 04:08 GMT
#7
Nice write-up. I have one gripe with it though, since FXO EU was acquired by Natus Vincere, wouldn't it be more prudent to write FXO.BabyKnight as NaVi.BabyKnight?
There's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep trying till you run out of cake.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7160 Posts
July 09 2013 04:29 GMT
#8
To be honest i dont think Ret can really prevail in this group after not so good runs in tournaments.

I expect:

1: Welmu
2: Babyknight
3:Thorzain
4: Ret
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igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
July 09 2013 05:37 GMT
#9
goo go thorzain i have always been a big fan of his
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
July 09 2013 05:48 GMT
#10
Welmu should be first player in this group but lately he has show some weakness :/ Babyknight will be second, ThorZain third and Ret last.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 09 2013 07:35 GMT
#11
Gogo BabyK!
Na'Vi :D
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Dewdeur
Profile Joined July 2013
Sweden4 Posts
July 09 2013 07:50 GMT
#12
Am I totally misinformed, or is Thorzain still in NA and will thus be playing with huge lag?

"Marcus Eklöf ‏@EGThorZaIN 4 Jul
I'm in downtown Los Angeles for the 4th of July! So crowded. Also visited Hollywood today "

Otherwise I would regard the old Tzain as favourite to win this group.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
July 09 2013 08:31 GMT
#13
Go, Welmu! Very confident he can win the group!
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
July 09 2013 08:49 GMT
#14
On July 09 2013 16:50 Dewdeur wrote:
Am I totally misinformed, or is Thorzain still in NA and will thus be playing with huge lag?

"Marcus Eklöf ‏@EGThorZaIN 4 Jul
I'm in downtown Los Angeles for the 4th of July! So crowded. Also visited Hollywood today "

Otherwise I would regard the old Tzain as favourite to win this group.

Huge lag? EU <-> KR is huge lag but EU <-> NA is almost same as playing in eu server ( even from middle of forest Finland)
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
xpldngmn
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria265 Posts
July 09 2013 11:02 GMT
#15
If I remember correctly Flo and Thorzain are a couple for a year now, so GF curse seems unlikely.
Misogyny is hurting Esports.
Non-native speaker, those prepositions are so hard to know.
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
July 09 2013 11:17 GMT
#16
GF curse? I agree with the above comments. Seems more likely its the EG curse
freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
July 09 2013 12:37 GMT
#17
On July 09 2013 17:31 StarVe wrote:
Go, Welmu! Very confident he can win the group!



This!

I he hasnt streamed in so long and I remeber him doing so everyday before he qualified for premier league>

I think he went into super secret mode and is playing with smurfs.

Also he has been in the best shape of this 4 players
Always give without remembering & always receive without forgetting.
Ambtenaar
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands21 Posts
July 09 2013 12:59 GMT
#18
Ret probably hasnt practiced for this
finkelboy
Profile Joined December 2008
Italy372 Posts
July 09 2013 13:03 GMT
#19
Anyone knows when and where the playoffs will be played? This time I'd like to go to the finals but I miss infos..
Ma jae yoon, what else? By.hero next bonjwa
MuMeise
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany81 Posts
July 09 2013 13:28 GMT
#20
On July 09 2013 22:03 finkelboy wrote:
Anyone knows when and where the playoffs will be played? This time I'd like to go to the finals but I miss infos..

cologne
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
July 09 2013 13:48 GMT
#21
Time for a ThorZain comeback!
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
July 09 2013 14:47 GMT
#22
Ret? i don't think so. i can't remember the last time i've seen him win a match. i know this is Team Liquid, but still though. ready to eat my words if need be, though.

also, Thorzain hwaiting!!!! but i's gonna be hard judging by his recent shape.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Vanillastix
Profile Joined July 2013
Sweden1 Post
July 09 2013 15:35 GMT
#23
Gogo Thorzain! !!
jammedk
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark315 Posts
July 09 2013 15:49 GMT
#24
Heart: BabyKnight & Ret
Head: Welmu & BabyKnight
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18617 Posts
July 09 2013 15:56 GMT
#25
On July 09 2013 11:50 Gorilla23 wrote:
About the GF thing, NesTea has said he may not have made the transition to SC2 successfully without the support of his GF and family.


yeah, of course he would say that. he cant say his gf affected his play badly, that would ruin the relationship lol
Elucidate
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
205 Posts
July 09 2013 17:15 GMT
#26
The two players that both have something to prove...have to face off against each other first. That's just, oof ._.
Welcome to Aslan's Country. Sanctuary Cat on DotA 2.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
July 09 2013 17:58 GMT
#27
Keeping my fingers crossed that the extremely talented ret shows up.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
WCS Europe TR
Profile Joined July 2013
Turkey1 Post
July 09 2013 18:09 GMT
#28
Turkish stream here!
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
July 09 2013 18:40 GMT
#29
I said Welmu advance as first! He is one of the best protoss in europe but many don't belive that coz he dont have offline tournament wins.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
July 09 2013 19:57 GMT
#30
lol bonjwa level predictions right there...
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
testthewest
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany274 Posts
July 09 2013 21:06 GMT
#31
On July 10 2013 00:56 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 11:50 Gorilla23 wrote:
About the GF thing, NesTea has said he may not have made the transition to SC2 successfully without the support of his GF and family.


yeah, of course he would say that. he cant say his gf affected his play badly, that would ruin the relationship lol



Well, didn't Thorzain join a team that is supposed to be c..... erh have bad karma, that only the strongest can overcome?


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