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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 00:01:40
December 17 2012 23:59 GMT
#661
On December 18 2012 05:29 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 04:51 arcane1129 wrote:
On December 18 2012 04:47 playa wrote:
Sea is the only person I've watched stream that actually seemed to enjoy the game. He was always smiling. Sure it could be for show, but I even heard him comment on how much fun it was. I was in complete shock. Like how is he playing t vs z and enjoying that? There's obviously some correlation between winning and happiness, especially for a player with his standards. But, despite switching to SC 2 later than most, he was still GM in Korea. I can only think of Flash as having had more success than Sea at such a young age (even if just a beast in pro league). If anyone can succeed at SC 2, it's probably him. With Sea enjoying playing mech, it seems insane to retire with HotS right around the corner.

I don't know who to fault, but you can't think that it helps to play BW on the side. If you view BW as the better game and the more enjoyable one, and one which you were a top player, then that nostalgia can't help. I also don't think it helps if you don't put Sea in the proleague lineup. Whether it's a different game or not, Sea earned the right to play himself out of the lineup, by losing in proleague. EGTL was already fielding players that you knew were going to lose. I don't care what happened in practice, Sea earned that right and you have to know that not playing him = retirement. You can't afford to lose your most talented Korean player due to being more concerned with marketing or w/e.


Or maybe they already knew about his decision to retire and he didn't want to play or practice for it?


Ofc I thought about that and that's possible. But, if you join a team, I think you owe it to them to at least stick it out and go down fighting. Sea had more fun playing than anyone I've seen, so something doesn't add up. If you were one of the top pro league players ever, your pride would be shot if players you didn't think highly of were playing instead of you. I just think Sea was kinda forced into retirement by circumstances. I mean, taeja and hero are locks to be in the lineup. And since it's a team partnership, EG is going to want to have their equal share of players. I'm sure there's also a blend of I think this gives us the best shot of winning and I think we can also insert "x" to give us more viewers. If Sea didn't decide to retire before the rosters were released, there's no one else to blame but EGTL for that lack of foresight. Whether Sea should retire or not, you have to know he would at least impulsively want to.

I thought Sea should have left Liquid for simply allowing someone to give him a 2 in pro league... But, given that he was given a 2 which is absurd, you would have to think someone had insider knowledge already of this decision.

I don't want to speak for Sea here, but it is very likely that the fun you saw Sea have during his stream sessions was from the interactions with his fans and their reactions whenever something happened. If you were streaming while having fans spam that they love you, laugh with you during funny moments and stuff I bet you would be looking like you had alot of fun too, even if you didn't enjoy the game competitively and thought it was massively flawed.

Also add that Sea have always been a cheerful character, it's probably just how he is you know.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
FeltFace
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia577 Posts
December 18 2012 00:05 GMT
#662
WTF.... TT

Best of luck in you future Yum Bo Sung!
RedArmorZero
Profile Joined January 2011
United States31 Posts
December 18 2012 00:08 GMT
#663
This is just tragic.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 00:10:49
December 18 2012 00:09 GMT
#664
On December 18 2012 08:59 Gosi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 05:29 playa wrote:
On December 18 2012 04:51 arcane1129 wrote:
On December 18 2012 04:47 playa wrote:
Sea is the only person I've watched stream that actually seemed to enjoy the game. He was always smiling. Sure it could be for show, but I even heard him comment on how much fun it was. I was in complete shock. Like how is he playing t vs z and enjoying that? There's obviously some correlation between winning and happiness, especially for a player with his standards. But, despite switching to SC 2 later than most, he was still GM in Korea. I can only think of Flash as having had more success than Sea at such a young age (even if just a beast in pro league). If anyone can succeed at SC 2, it's probably him. With Sea enjoying playing mech, it seems insane to retire with HotS right around the corner.

I don't know who to fault, but you can't think that it helps to play BW on the side. If you view BW as the better game and the more enjoyable one, and one which you were a top player, then that nostalgia can't help. I also don't think it helps if you don't put Sea in the proleague lineup. Whether it's a different game or not, Sea earned the right to play himself out of the lineup, by losing in proleague. EGTL was already fielding players that you knew were going to lose. I don't care what happened in practice, Sea earned that right and you have to know that not playing him = retirement. You can't afford to lose your most talented Korean player due to being more concerned with marketing or w/e.


Or maybe they already knew about his decision to retire and he didn't want to play or practice for it?


Ofc I thought about that and that's possible. But, if you join a team, I think you owe it to them to at least stick it out and go down fighting. Sea had more fun playing than anyone I've seen, so something doesn't add up. If you were one of the top pro league players ever, your pride would be shot if players you didn't think highly of were playing instead of you. I just think Sea was kinda forced into retirement by circumstances. I mean, taeja and hero are locks to be in the lineup. And since it's a team partnership, EG is going to want to have their equal share of players. I'm sure there's also a blend of I think this gives us the best shot of winning and I think we can also insert "x" to give us more viewers. If Sea didn't decide to retire before the rosters were released, there's no one else to blame but EGTL for that lack of foresight. Whether Sea should retire or not, you have to know he would at least impulsively want to.

I thought Sea should have left Liquid for simply allowing someone to give him a 2 in pro league... But, given that he was given a 2 which is absurd, you would have to think someone had insider knowledge already of this decision.

I don't want to speak for Sea here, but it is very likely that the fun you saw Sea have during his stream sessions was from the interactions with his fans and their reactions whenever something happened. If you were streaming while having fans spam that they love you, laugh with you during funny moments and stuff I bet you would be looking like you had alot of fun too, even if you didn't enjoy the game competitively and thought it was massively flawed.


I know, but I was watching Sea stream "minutes" before the first pro league match started. I think he said he was headed to the studio. He looked strong and as if he had been in practice mode. I couldn't believe he wasn't in the lineup. That also happened to be the last time he streamed. Sea def struck me as a player that played for the fans and would put on a show. It's hard to put on a show, riding the bench, though. Do you really think Sea would have retired if he thought his chances were good of playing in pro league, given that timing?
veoVeo
Profile Joined October 2009
New Zealand8 Posts
December 18 2012 00:10 GMT
#665
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Adobe Flash has crashed
Berk
Profile Joined August 2010
27 Posts
December 18 2012 00:11 GMT
#666
The elephant has left the building...
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2717 Posts
December 18 2012 00:11 GMT
#667
This is unexpected and extremely upsetting
Good luck in the future, Sea!
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6611 Posts
December 18 2012 00:17 GMT
#668
This leaves I think stork as the player with the greatest longevity, and it makes Thorzain a bit more important to the EGTL terran line.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Ry2D2
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States429 Posts
December 18 2012 00:24 GMT
#669
1) So sad. After seeing him beating Naniwa at IPL5 I was really looking forward to see him play more esp on EG-TL Proleague,
2) This explains why he wasn't playing in Proleague I guess. Now i feel slightly better about the decision to trade him for week two.
3) GLHF GG WP Sea!!!!
dronescout
Profile Joined March 2010
Iceland246 Posts
December 18 2012 00:25 GMT
#670
meh I picked him for my Fantasty Team makes me sad
I will destroy everyone in 2017
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
December 18 2012 00:29 GMT
#671
Well, was fun while it lasted!
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
December 18 2012 00:30 GMT
#672
On December 18 2012 08:35 Kal_rA wrote:
sad to see you go, but SSL - LETS GO!

Maybe you haven't heard but matchfixing struck there too - no more SSL; ever
The heart's eternal vow
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
December 18 2012 00:30 GMT
#673
Wasn't expecting this so soon after joining a new team... Sad news.

But good luck in life Sea!!!
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 18 2012 00:31 GMT
#674
NOOOOOO SEA T_________T

x_x

well. hope he's successful in whatever he does next..
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
misha205
Profile Joined December 2012
United States4 Posts
December 18 2012 00:32 GMT
#675
Does this mean he won't compete in EG-TL team for Proleague?
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10888 Posts
December 18 2012 00:33 GMT
#676
So sad.... I guess SC2 just isn't enough for some ex BW KeSPA pro's...Best of luck in the future Sea, I hope you the best~!
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Xenocryst
Profile Joined December 2010
United States521 Posts
December 18 2012 00:35 GMT
#677
What the hell.... we just got him though!!!
faiza
Profile Joined June 2012
United States451 Posts
December 18 2012 00:36 GMT
#678
GL with everything, Sea!
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
December 18 2012 00:36 GMT
#679
Nooooooooooo
~ ~ <°)))><~ ~ ~
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
December 18 2012 00:48 GMT
#680
Noooooo.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
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