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December 8th, 2012 08:30 GMT

NASL S4 Finals

Table of Contents



Quarter-finals Preview
A look at each of the four match-ups


Semi-Final Speculation
A rundown of the possible Ro4 matches


NASL S4 brackets and results at Liquipedia

Intro



Alongside the NHL, the NASL has also decided to betray Canada in the winter of 2012, moving back to temperate climates in southern California for their Season Four grand finals. For the first time in its history, a much feared outcome has finally come to pass, with no North Americans in contention in the final, live event.

But don't give up hope just yet, foreigner fans! Two Europeans will to their best to save the day, with the fan favorite Demuslim making it into the top eight, while underground hit SortOf looks to make a name for himself on the big stage. In spirit, at least, you could say viOLet is more American than Korean, having spent nearly a year based in his adopted home. And at the end of the day, spirit is what really matters. Ever since PuMa won a contract from EG at NASL season one, we've known that even if the players at NASL aren't American, the dream it represents is.


Quarter-finals Preview


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TSL_Polt vs. Golden


by Fionn

Haves vs Have-nots

After a month in Texas where he finished below expectations at MLG Dallas, and then followed it up with an even more disappointing quick exit at Lone Star Clash 2, TSL captain (T)Polt made up for all of it by placing 3rd in one of the most stacked weekend tournaments of all-time at IPL5. He beat one of the best PvT players in the world in Creator, two top Terran in Yoda and Bomber, and even eliminated Sniper (who would go on to win Code S a few hours later) in the Ro6. Polt made it further than any non-Zerg player in Las Vegas, reaffirming the old adage that there's just something different about Korean Terrans. He was eventually stopped in the third place match against viOLet, dropping in an extremely close 2 - 3 series where he could not find an answer for the late game BL-Infestor army.

Not dropping a series so far in NASL (8 - 0 in series, 16 - 2 on maps), Polt placed 1st in the regular season of NASL with his only set losses coming against DongRaeGu and aLive. Combined with his recent IPL5 performance, you would say that he's one of the heavy favorites to make the finals, but you never know with Polt. He came into IPL5 in good form, having practiced in Korea and finding the motivation to do well. The last time Polt spent a week in America before a tournament, he went from 9~12th place at MLG Dallas to playing much worse at Lone Star Clash II, losing to Ganzi and BabyKnight. In general, Polt has a knack for coming out of nowhere to perform well, but doesn't play up to expectations when he's had time to build up hype.

On paper this is a serious mismatch for Polt's opponent, the recently teamless (Z)Golden. In one corner, you have one the best Terrans in Korea. In the other, you have a generic (though underrated) Korean Zerg who just had his team fold under him. Golden, now without a team after Quantic disbanded, has had a doubly bad week as his race got nerfed as well.

However, Golden can reverse his fortunes instantly if he pulls off the upset. Polt's worst match-up is still TvZ, and Violet showed that if you can get to BL's and infestors, even Polt's bio splitting won't do much against it. On top of that, the patch might not play a role at all towards evening the score. Polt hasn't had time to really figure out the patch's implications with all of his TSL teammates, and even before the patch, he was not one to tinker with ravens and seeker missiles.

So, can Golden do it? Yeah, of course he can, especially looking at how inconsistent Polt can be at times. If it was Golden vs. Polt during IPL5, I'd say Golden had no chance of beating Polt, but a week has passed and who knows what shape Polt is in? Golden might not be praised as one of the better Zergs in Korea, but that doesn't mean he isn't an accomplished, solid player that can knock off players above him in stature. The ultimate X factor could be motivation. Polt's won a ton of money in his career and has great job security (as much as you can have in pro-gaming, anyway). Golden isn't the wealthiest pro-gamer in the world, and he's teamless on top of that. Not only will he be playing to make ends meet, but he'll be openly auditioning to all of his prospective employers,

This tournament for Polt, with how well he did last week, is win or bust. Even with Hero and Taeja on his side of the bracket he doesn't have much to be worried about, as his TvP play has been monstrous the past few weeks, 2 - 0'ing both Creator and Parting. Taeja's play hasn't been as inspiring as of late with his wrist injuries, and Polt should be on even ground with him in a TvT. In the final he'd more than likely face Hyun or Violet, and he certainly has a shot against either if he can play up to the level that he showed in Vegas.

For Golden, a win against Polt would be almost as good as a tournament win. Knocking out one of the best Terrans and putting himself in the semifinals would be a good audition for any foreign or Korean team watching. Golden isn't the favorite and will probably be seen as an easy hurdle for Polt to pass, but I expect a pretty close match between a guy who just came off winning $11,000 and can afford to be comfortable against a player who must play well for teams to give him a chance.

Prediction: Polt 3 - 1 Golden


Liquid`HerO vs. Liquid`TaeJa (again)


by Porcelina

The Caduceus of Liquid

As NASL closes out the year for the international tournament circuit, it is fitting that it also gives us the last chapter in the rivalry between (P)HerO and (T)TaeJa. The latter half of the year has allowed us to spectate in detail the progress of the Liquid players, both contending for Code S success and foreign tournament titles on a monthly basis. It is not often we have seen two teammates walking such closely mirrored paths; in the GSL they have avoided direct contact but posted similar progress, establishing themselves as Code S regulars and making top four finishes. In foreign tournaments they have clashed often, with Taeja winning at MLG and ASUS RoG while HerO claimed two DreamHack victories, each claiming championships when beating the other.

As one grows, the other fades, but as the fates twist and unfold, new steps are taken.

2012 has been a year of remarkable growth for both players. For Taeja, the most marked transition was going from SlayerS to Liquid. Already a top prospect on SlayerS, he looked like a new player on the foreign team. His ascendancy in the foreign tournament scene was astonishing, As he went on a tear winning everything he entered; he carried Team Liquid to the finals in IPL TAC3, coming close to doing the impossible by almost double killing LG-IM all by himself. He won an MLG Arena and Assembly tournament in short order. He finally broke back into Code S and cemented his position there by making back to back to back round of eight appearances, and then capped off his summer binning DreamHack Valencia. It was truly the Summer of Taeja.

Meanwhile, HerO’s fortunes seemed to wane as his Terran teammate went on his amazing tournament run. He had closed out 2011 by winning DreamHack and finishing second in NASL S2, but seemed incapable of replicating such results on foreign soil. He would put up great runs but fall short, losing close PvP series or losing to Taeja. But while his fortunes internationally seemed to hit a low, HerO was able to finally achieve success in Korea, getting to the round of four in season two and the round of eight two seasons later.

Broadly, it seems accurate to say that Taeja hit his highest peak somewhere in the middle of the summer. He was of course on a streak that could never be maintained, but in terms of invincibility and momentum the summer marked a transition from being unbeatable to being merely top class. As Taeja progressed, peaked and then found equilibrium, HerO had seen a dip of form turn back into a new rise. At DreamHack Winter 2012, it was HerO, not TaeJa, who looked nigh invincible, and he added a new twist to their friendly rivalry by shutting out TaeJa in a one-sided, 4 - 0 rout in the finals.

Turning weakness into strength, turning strength into weakness

When HerO and Taeja meet in Long Beach, California it will be their fifth meeting in foreign tournaments. They are 2-2, but with HerO’s 4-0 win only a few weeks ago in the DreamHack grand finals, momentum seems to be with the Liquid Protoss. With HerO's PvT seemingly eclipsing his PvZ, and Taeja’s TvP not looking near the level it was during the summer, it's no surprise that many consider HerO to be the slight favorite. As always with teammates, there are plenty of mind games going into matches. HerO’s DreamHack win seemed to owe a lot to being able to predict what Taeja was doing and coming out on top in terms of build order selections.

In a standard game, it is still unclear who the better player is. It is however becoming evident that Taeja’s main weakness might be his predictability. While he's varied up his build orders after being an almost purely greedy player in the past, it still seems easy to put him on either being aggressive or very greedy early game. Meanwhile, HerO has done a good job at diversifying his own openings, being very capable of countering map logic to take advantage of what his opponent would be expecting. What has really changed in the Protoss player is the ability to defend when he is being greedy and his decision making while being under huge pressure. This might explain Taeja’s apparent unwillingness to pressure HerO in the DreamHack games, and if this hesitance continues it would again favor the Protoss player.

Both players have impressive mid-games, with Taeja demonstrating time and time again how to perfectly pick engagements with both pre-splitting versus aoe and good flanks. HerO on the other hand has been able to take what were the strong points of his PvZ and import them into his game play versus Terran, relying on multi-pronged aggression while defending with his main army. As such, any decently even mid to lategame scenario between the two should be a dynamic encounter. Their stylistic tendencies do not dictate themselves which player should be favored, but rather that we can expect action packed, exciting games.

Choosing the victor, choosing the ace.

While a team kill is unfortunate in one sense, both players will probably be happy about how their bracket lined up. With the elite Zergs they both would like to avoid the most locked away in the other half, making a legitimate run seems a reasonable proposition. Golden can be beaten by both, and while Polt has demonstrated that he is capable of defeating either Liquid player, both would probably prefer the TSL Terran to Hyun and possibly even to Violet.

The match is certainly a treat in terms of the quarterfinals of NASL. It works as an interesting conclusion to a year where Taeja and HerO have faced off and competed for the spot as Liquid’s ace player. The third layer of the anticipation is a result of the Liquid and Evil Geniuses partnership for Proleague 2012-13. While Taeja was pretty much the de facto Liquid ace during the summer, HerO’s rediscovery of form and sorting out his mirror and PvT woes makes this decision less clear cut. And while who is chosen for a Proleague ace depends on several factors, it is no small honor to be selected (it's a shame Stephano couldn't be present in Long Beach). What is on the line is a grand finals appearance on the line, a rivalry to maintain and fuel and the chance to demonstrate that they deserve the ace role in the StarCraft’s most prestigious team league.

Prediction: Taeja 3 - 2 HerO


AZUBU.viOLet vs. EG.Demuslim.RC


by stuchiu

Two Americans

In a league named the North American Starleague, it is a bit sad there will be no US, Mexican, or Canadian born players in the grand finals. Luckily, there do happen to be two players who are more than worthy of representing the continent in spirit. Both (T)DeMusliM and (Z)viOLet are ex-WarCraft III players who moved to America to pursue pro-gaming careers in StarCraft II. Both have lived in the USA for nearly a year now, and though one is British and the other Korean, both have won over the hearts of American fans who are more than willing to call them their own.

Let's talk about DeMusliM first, a member of one of the rarest species in the pro SC2 world, a foreign Terran player. The popular and charismatic Brit has always been up and down in terms of results, and he's shown moderately strong results overall on the year. In the most recent months, he's hit a rough patch, finding it especially tough to deal with the infestor like many other of his non-Korean Terran compatriots. Whatever his results might be outside the NASL, inside the NASL league he has been one of the best performers in the league, finishing with the second best record in his division at 7 - 1, with wins over notable opponents like MMA and finale. The most surprising result of the season might have been his 3 - 0 victory over Sen in the Ro16 NASL playoffs, coming right on the tail of Sen's surprising top four run at the WCS grand finals. It's hard to figure out how much that victory counts for after lackluster performances in his last international tournaments (Ro32 DreamHack Valencia, top 16 WCS Europe), but for better or for worse, he's one of the biggest foreign hopes going into the NASL S4 Grand Finals.

On the other side, we have the Korean-Texan, viOLet. Violet has been incredibly consistent throughout the year, finishing in the top quarter of nearly every tournament he has attended, and even ended up as the runner-up at a very difficult IPL5 tournament, only barely losing 4 - 5 to Leenock in the Grand Finals. His road at IPL was one of the toughest, as he beat Tod, Lucifron, Snute, Innovation, HerO, Symbol and Polt on his way to the final, something worthy of a Code S finals run. Not surprisingly, his NASL results were excellent as well, and he easily took his division 8-0. He then easily dispatched of last season’s runner-up Alicia in a quick 3 - 0 to ensure his place in the final 8. While this won’t be Violet’s last big ticket tournament of the year as he has won a place in the GSL Tour Grand Finals, getting 1st would be the perfect way to cap off Violet’s year and continue his momentum as he returns to Korea.

The two players are also very skilled in the TvZ matchup. Demuslim in his games against Sen showed all types of plays, using cheeses, bio, and the mech play he was using before MVP made it cool. viOLet is also a player who can play a variety of styles, more than willing to go heavy on unit production in the mid-game rather than rush straight to hive like some of his brethren. But the greatest threat for Demuslim is still in the late game, where viOLet is content to passively defend with infestors and brood lords until he is 100% certain of victory, a style few foreign Terrans have found an answer for. This has the makings of a close series, but there is one factor that you have to consider before making a prediction.

Demuslim’s Demon

The 'rivalry' between Demuslim and Violet is quite similar to other one-sided rivalries in the scene like MVP vs. MKP, Cloud vs. Goody, and Inca vs. detection. While not quite as one-sided, the head-to-head score between the two is 14-6 in favor of Violet. While the stats look bad, Demuslim did win two of those games more recently. That, and this has been an year of upsets. While MVP is still taking free wins off MKP, the other one-sided rivalries are ending. Cloud beat Goody, Inca convinced Blizzard to make Dark Shrine cost 100/100, and JYP beat several good Terrans. This miracle is spreading across games, and we are now living in a world where an Undead player defeated an Orc to win the WCG Warcraft III championship. That must give a former WC3 player like Demuslim confidence, knowing that anything is possible. The IPL5 replay pack is out, and Demuslim will have had a chance to watch all of viOLet's games from the event, notably his five game series against Polt.

On the other hand, I’d argue that Violet is presently playing even better than he has all year. His play is more refined and he was just one game away from taking all of IPL 5. With the events being so close together, the confidence and momentum will carry over and make Violet an incredibly scary opponent. This will be the match to watch if you want to see a top foreigner fight against a top Korean. But remember this: no matter the outcome of the match between the British player and Korean player, America wins.

Prediction: Violet 3 - 2 Demuslim


WW.SortOf vs. TSL_HyuN


by stuchiu

The last match in the round of 8 will be a ZvZ, just in case you haven’t had enough of this matchup from MLG Dallas, IPL5, the Code S Finals, and the GSL World Championship. NASL has conveniently scheduled it between 5 and 6 PM, giving the audience time to grab an early dinner before the two semi-final matches that will conclude the night.

As far as ZvZ's go, this is still one of the more appealing cards that don't include the words 'Stephano' or 'Scarlett.' (Z)TSL_HyuN was one of the fan favorites at IPL5, proving that you don't really have to speak English, dance, or stream a lot to get popular - as long as you're REALLY damn good (the IM-MVP school of marketing). (Z)WW.SortOf has the sort of important fact that he's a foreigner going for him, and while he doesn't have much mainstream support yet, he's been something of an underground star for months now.

SortOf has been overlooked compared to other Zerg players like Scarlett and Vortix who have won big games on big stages, even though you could argue from the kind of players he's defeated online, that the Swede is just as good. Just look at SortOf's run through the NASL Open Qualifiers: he notably beat Jookto, Symbol, Apocalypse and Ragnarok before falling to Golden in the Finals (good enough to earn a wildcard spot). Having grabbed a rare opportunity, he then beat Mana and MC 3 - 0 each to get to the round of 8. Besides his loss to Golden 2 - 3, SortOf has been playing excellent SC2 and has showed strong games through his run so far.

However, being an impressive foreigner isn't going to compare favorably to HyuN. In the NASL, Hyun played exactly how you would expect him to play in an online format. He slaughtered everyone. He went 8-0 in his division while only dropping 3 games in the season and then stomped Ryung to make it to the Round of 8 NASL. Basically, it was IPL Fight Club, NASL edition. He was the odds on favorite to take the season when he entered the league when it started and he still is now that we are heading to the finals. He showed he had shaken off his live-game jitters to a large degree at the Code S finals at IPL5, reaching the finals and narrowly losing to Sniper in a seven game series. The final game did give fans a little reason to worry, as he blew a lead that was handed to him due to Sniper's mistakes. However, that was a special case, a game seven in a grand finals, where many players have found it hard to keep their cool. In an Ro8 match against a foreigner, he's likely to bring his best play.

SortOf has a chance?

While it is obvious to all spectators that Hyun should easily be the favorite in this match, SortOf has already proven he can beat top Koreans in a ZvZ. The problem here is that 2 out of the 3 Koreans he beat recently happen to be on TSL, the same team as Hyun. While Koreans are generally lax in terms of scouting Foreigner styles and strategy, you can expect both Symbol and Ragnarok to show Hyun their games from the qualifiers. But this goes both ways as SortOf should have seen dozens of Hyun’s ZvZ games from IPL Fight Club, IPL5 and Code S. Another aspect that could affect this match is the infestor nerf that Blizzard implemented after IPL 5. While it will take time to see how the changes play out in the non-mirrors, in ZvZ it could make an immediate impact as some Zergs had already been playing less infestor heavy, more roaches-hydra focused compositions. No matter how you slice it, this will be a tough match for SortOf. But Zerg foreigners do have a tendency to make upsets happen so you can never know for sure.

Prediction: Hyun 3 - 1 SortOf


Speculating on Semis

by Waxangel



The TeamLiquid writing crew has made their predictions, but there's no telling how the matches might actually go. 'Tis the season for miracles, and we might end up seeing a few unexpected quarter-final matches. Here's a quick run through the possibilities:


(T)Polt vs (P)HerO
Hype Level: 9/10


This is one of the best matches that could happen in the NASL, and for once in our Sniper-ridden lives, it's actually pretty likely to happen. Polt has been playing some great PvT lately, beating players like PartinG, Creator, and even HerO in his recent matches. On the other hand, HerO has improbably transitioned from being a player more feared for his PvT than his PvZ, and his domination of TaeJa at DreamHack Winter was a great demonstration of his skills.

We've just seen way too much Zerg lately, and it's made even good TvZ and PvZ matches seem a bit dull due to over-consumption. It's about time we get to see a close, high level PvT series. HerO ruined our last chance at that in Sweden, but Polt might be able to make it much closer. This is the one everyone should be looking forward to.


(T)Polt vs (T)TaeJa
Hype Level: 7/10


While an epic TvP would make everyone feel great, you can't complain about a top level TvT. Besides a brief period where everyone played super-passive mech vs. mech games, TvT has always been the most exciting mirror, and many fans prefer it to non-mirror matches.

TaeJa mangled Polt in their last meeting in Code S, but that's no indicator of how things might end up in a rematch. The very top level Terran players are nearly 50/50, and anyone could win on a given day. Both players are at their best playing bio-tank styles, and they've played some really close matches in the past (notably, a tense series at ASUS ROG Winter 2012). Also, TaeJa occasionally plays a mech style, while Polt is one of the most exciting bio vs. mech players out there. In terms of entertainment value this should be a great match.


(Z)Golden vs Anyone
Hype Level: 2/10
Golden Employability Index: 7/10


For a player who's been a regular in the American scene, Golden hasn't really received that much attention. It will be a big upset if he beats Polt, and even in that case, no one will really give him much of a chance against HerO or TaeJa.

That said, an upset would still be really great for Golden himself, as he looks for a new team to join. Beating Polt in a high profile match isn't a 100% guarantee of employment – just look at the still teamless Alicia who placed top four in multiple international tournaments. But still, it's his best shot at extending his international career.


(Z)viOLet vs (Z)HyuN
Hype Level: 1/10


This is the highest level of ZvZ you could ask for, but alas, no one will care. We already saw HyuN and Sniper play a seven game series in Las Vegas, and then viOLet and Leenock go nine games after that. It's safe to say we've all had our fill of S-class ZvZ for the time being. Even if HyuN and viOLet mysteriously came down with dysentery and Stephano and IdrA were announced as their emergency replacements, it would be hard for people to get excited for a ZvZ.


(Z)viOLet vs (Z)SortOf
Hype Level: 3/10


Even with one of the most popular Koreans and a foreigner going at it, you have to be pessimistic about how excited people will be for a ZvZ match after the deluge at IPL5 last weekend. However, if SortOf does manage to beat HyuN, he at least gets a bit of hype behind him. It would put a foreigner in realistic range of a championship, and jaded fans might power through their distaste of ZvZ to see if there's hope after all.


(T)DeMusliM vs (Z)HyuN
Hype Level: 7/10


Maybe it's the British accent. Maybe we just really like waif-like Europeans. Maybe we just can't get enough of any foreign Terran who seems to have the potential to play like a Korean. For whatever reason, Demuslim has stayed immensely popular, despite some decidedly average results throughout the years. A win against viOLet would be the moment where tens of thousands of fans shout "WE KNEW YOU HAD IT IN YOU," and the hype train goes into overdrive. If he beat Sen and viOLet, who's to say he doesn't have a chance against HyuN?


(T)DeMusliM vs (Z)SortOf
Hype Level: 10/10


The chance of this actually happening is near zero, but it would be a fantasy fulfilled for mainstream and hipster fans alike. Hardcore fans have watched SortOf take games off Code S Koreans in all sorts of low-profile tournaments and online qualifiers, and have been waiting for the day he finally gets to stand in the spotlight. And for Demuslim, as mentioned above, there have been countless fans supporting him from the earliest days of StarCraft II, claiming that he has the raw talent to be an international champion one day.

The only downside of this match is that one of the players has to lose, disappointing one fan base and forcing them to wait for what could be an eternity for the next opportunity to come by.



Writers: Fionn, Porcelina, Stuchiu and Waxangel.
Graphics: shiroiusagi.
Editor: Waxangel.
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December 08 2012 08:42 GMT
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liquid team kill ;(
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HerO with the power of 'the legend of the fall' can make it
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December 08 2012 08:51 GMT
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sortof fighting!
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December 08 2012 08:54 GMT
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i hope you're right about TaeJa vs HerO; honestly their last series wasn't fun to watch. and i hope Polt can take NASL and complete the EU-NA-KR triple crown in WoL.
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December 08 2012 09:12 GMT
#11
We already saw HyuN and Symbol play a seven game series in Las Vegas,

Wrong zerg wrong team Sniper #1
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33327 Posts
December 08 2012 09:20 GMT
#12
On December 08 2012 18:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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We already saw HyuN and Symbol play a seven game series in Las Vegas,

Wrong zerg wrong team Sniper #1


who?
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Shazeen
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany32 Posts
December 08 2012 09:35 GMT
#13
Hyun fighting <3 <3!!!
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negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
December 08 2012 09:58 GMT
#14
inca vs. detection lol
MrJoKer
Profile Joined November 2011
France232 Posts
December 08 2012 10:11 GMT
#15
HerO is my favorite and i would like to see Demulslim in the final .
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
December 08 2012 10:12 GMT
#16
I'm hoping for a Polt-Hyun final, I really love TvZ.
I'm sorry my beloved Taeja ;_;
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Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
December 08 2012 10:47 GMT
#17
Demuslim fighting! For the honor of EG!
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
December 08 2012 10:51 GMT
#18
Really want to see a Hero vs Polt match. Don't care about much else, hope Hero/Taeja/Polt win though.
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Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
December 08 2012 11:22 GMT
#19
Everything behind DeMuslim, he's got this guys!
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
December 08 2012 12:03 GMT
#20
HyuN vs Polt in finals I believe.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
December 08 2012 12:11 GMT
#21
Demuslim vs HerO finals, gogogogo!
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 12:36:53
December 08 2012 12:35 GMT
#22
Hoping hard for a DeMuslim win against Violet

Was a great write up, I particularly like some of Stuchiu's lines:

one-sided rivalries in the scene like Inca vs. detection

Inca convinced Blizzard to make Dark Shrine cost 100/100

and

one of the fan favorites at IPL5, proving that you don't really have to speak English, dance, or stream a lot to get popular - as long as you're REALLY damn good (the IM-MVP school of marketing).
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King_law1992
Profile Joined December 2011
United States47 Posts
December 08 2012 13:00 GMT
#23
Demuslim fighting!!!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
December 08 2012 13:13 GMT
#24
Heart: HerO - Violet final. Head: Polt - Violet.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
SneX
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden377 Posts
December 08 2012 13:47 GMT
#25
Great preview. Rooting for Polt and Hero, gogo!
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
December 08 2012 13:58 GMT
#26
Demuslim I want to belieeeeve.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
December 08 2012 14:06 GMT
#27
Hey 'nother (P)HerO vs (T)TaeJa knockout game! How original...
Predicting:


Ro8:
(T)Polt 3-1 (Z)Golden
(P)HerO 3-1 (T)TaeJa
(Z)viOLet 3-0 (T)DeMusliM
(Z)HyuN 3-0 (Z)SortOf

Ro4:
(P)HerO 4-2 (T)Polt
(Z)HyuN 4-3 (Z)viOLet

3rd place:
(Z)viOLet 4-2 (T)Polt

Finals:
(Z)HyuN 4-2 (P)HerO
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
December 08 2012 14:10 GMT
#28
Go Polt win Nasl !!
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
December 08 2012 14:12 GMT
#29
Sortof will always be that guy I mistake for being part of the sentence and not the player. Let's go demuslim!
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
December 08 2012 14:15 GMT
#30
Gogo HerO sad that there is a team kill but its ok cause HerO will win!
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Shadowelock
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden22 Posts
December 08 2012 14:30 GMT
#31
Polt was the one who mangled Taeja in their last Code S meeting, 2-0 in the Ro32. Still remember that awesome game on Antiga and Taeja's horrible mech on Daybreak.
emanresU
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany393 Posts
December 08 2012 14:37 GMT
#32
I think herO can do this :D
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trada
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany347 Posts
December 08 2012 14:44 GMT
#33
Sort of vs HerO for the finals pls.
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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
December 08 2012 15:18 GMT
#34
Come on Demu and SortOf! I believe!
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oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
December 08 2012 15:34 GMT
#35
GO LIQUID!
Rjlraymond
Profile Joined December 2012
40 Posts
December 08 2012 16:05 GMT
#36
Inca vs. detection best sc2 rivalry of all time.
Waio
Profile Joined September 2010
Chile82 Posts
December 08 2012 16:07 GMT
#37
GOGOOGO DEMUSLIM
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 16:37:12
December 08 2012 16:24 GMT
#38
TSL finals I believe!

Polt 3-1 Golden
HerO 3-1 TaeJa
viOLet 3-0 DeMusliM
HyuN 3-1 SortOf

Polt 4-2 HerO
HyuN 4-3 viOLet

Polt 2-4 HyuN

Hoping for a HyuN vs Polt finals, with either of them winning really (though I lean towards HyuN). Though if Polt wins, he completes the Triple Crown, so each one winning makes me happy.

TaeJa mangled Polt in their last meeting in Code S


Actually, last time TaeJa vs Polt happened, Polt defeated TaeJa 2-0, though the season before TaeJa destroyed Polt. Best you fix that up Waxangel.
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
December 08 2012 16:27 GMT
#39
Really hoping for DeMuslim to get through, but he had to draw viOLet D:

One, correction: viOLet lost to Leenock 4-4 in the IPL Grand Final. Yeah, 4-4.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 08 2012 16:38 GMT
#40
On December 08 2012 21:35 MCDayC wrote:
Hoping hard for a DeMuslim win against Violet

Was a great write up, I particularly like some of Stuchiu's lines:

Show nested quote +
one-sided rivalries in the scene like Inca vs. detection

Inca convinced Blizzard to make Dark Shrine cost 100/100

and

Show nested quote +
one of the fan favorites at IPL5, proving that you don't really have to speak English, dance, or stream a lot to get popular - as long as you're REALLY damn good (the IM-MVP school of marketing).


That second line is Wax, but I'll take all credit for inca lines.
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splasha
Profile Joined August 2011
Brazil86 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 16:44:29
December 08 2012 16:44 GMT
#41
poor demuslim :/
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
December 08 2012 17:09 GMT
#42
Demuslim reached quarters? Dayum, have to follow NASL more frequently (again) I think. Go for it, Dude :>
biaxiong
Profile Joined March 2011
United States180 Posts
December 08 2012 17:19 GMT
#43
Liquid vs Liquid already
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KookyMonster
Profile Joined January 2012
United States311 Posts
December 08 2012 17:52 GMT
#44
Let's go DeMu!!! EG Fighting!
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
December 08 2012 18:00 GMT
#45
Cloud vs. Goody, MKP vs. MVP, Inca vs. detection... classic
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ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
December 08 2012 18:07 GMT
#46
The ZvZ hypelevels, haha - Could not agree more!

Love the "Golden Employability Index"-detail.

Polt vs. TaeJa would be the 10/10-match for me, far too long since we've had quality TvT
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28086 Posts
December 08 2012 18:11 GMT
#47
Looking good this time
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GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
December 08 2012 18:22 GMT
#48
Violet would hurt if he beats polt and hero in IPL and almost takes out leenock only to get knocked out here early
Hylirion
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands968 Posts
December 08 2012 18:24 GMT
#49
This will be great!
Tyron
Profile Joined December 2011
Denmark2 Posts
December 08 2012 18:30 GMT
#50
DeMusliM! GO GO GO GO <3
GG man <3
Edlina
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark28 Posts
December 08 2012 18:35 GMT
#51
Why's the image/map of Denmark? It's like the Mist of Pandaria intro where Denmark was pictured instead of Azeroth. Blizzard games + map of Denmark apparently go together.

As many others; hoping for DeMuslim to go far this weekend! Time to proove himself - has been looking great lately.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
December 08 2012 18:56 GMT
#52
I am again forced to choose between my Zerg loves ViOlet and HyuN I wasn't looking terribly forward to this event, but I guess I must not have seen the brackets because this will be amazing.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33327 Posts
December 08 2012 19:00 GMT
#53
On December 09 2012 03:35 Edlina wrote:
Why's the image/map of Denmark? It's like the Mist of Pandaria intro where Denmark was pictured instead of Azeroth. Blizzard games + map of Denmark apparently go together.

As many others; hoping for DeMuslim to go far this weekend! Time to proove himself - has been looking great lately.


maybe we really like denmark?
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Pimpmuckl
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany528 Posts
December 08 2012 19:07 GMT
#54
Inca vs detection


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAHAHAHA!
Damn it i was dying in laughter. So gud.

Hope to see the devil Terran do some work:
Heart: demuslim
Head: Polt
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Vertigro
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom261 Posts
December 08 2012 19:28 GMT
#55
Never been more nervous for demu.. all I want is for him to replicate how he plays online in an offline environment! If he manages that he could finally convince a lot of people that he is, in actuality, one of the top foreigners
"..." - Greg 'IdrA' Fields +++ DeMuslim, Naniwa, Jaedong, Hero, Suppy! <3 <3
ShotgunMike
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden241 Posts
December 08 2012 19:31 GMT
#56
"Inca vs. detection".. :D

This will be a good evening!
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HoLe
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada183 Posts
December 08 2012 19:36 GMT
#57
C'mon Demuslim!

I really think he deserves this. He's been streaming so much, with commentary every time. He's been working hard, he looks sharp these days. It's going to be a tall order beating Taeja in a TvT but we'll see.
Terran.
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
December 08 2012 19:44 GMT
#58
Rooting for Taeja! Goodluck!
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StatikKhaos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States214 Posts
December 08 2012 19:50 GMT
#59
I dont think its going to be the close for demu/violet

i think its gonna be 3-0 maybe 3-1 for violet
Those Bitches
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
December 08 2012 19:55 GMT
#60
Goddamnit. The only toss, HerO especially, with Taeja in the first round -.-

Sometimes I wish these brackets weren't random

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Graphix
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States208 Posts
December 08 2012 20:06 GMT
#61
gogo sortof! hyuns gonna be tough but u can do it!
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reikai
Profile Joined January 2011
United States359 Posts
December 08 2012 20:13 GMT
#62
Inca vs. detection
Et Ducit Mundum Per Luce. :T:
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 08 2012 20:21 GMT
#63
On December 09 2012 05:13 reikai wrote:
Inca vs. detection

Considering how far off the radar he is, id say he won
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skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
December 08 2012 21:08 GMT
#64
so what the hell is up with the link going to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=38688
phrenetiC
Profile Joined April 2011
Switzerland224 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 21:14:57
December 08 2012 21:13 GMT
#65
On December 09 2012 06:08 skatblast wrote:
so what the hell is up with the link going to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=38688

Yeah there's a 5 missing to the url when you click the spotlight picture in the TL homepage.
At first I thought it was some sort of a prank. :D
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TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
December 08 2012 21:13 GMT
#66
On December 09 2012 06:08 skatblast wrote:
so what the hell is up with the link going to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=38688


Should be fixed now
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 21:16:44
December 08 2012 21:16 GMT
#67
Yeah sorry about that. It was missing a 5 at the end of the URL - thought we were getting trolled. I'm going to go fight someone.
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 21:52:12
December 08 2012 21:36 GMT
#68
Lmao, i thought it was supposed to be an inside joke because hot_bids responses were pretty funny plus it was from 2006.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17664 Posts
December 08 2012 21:56 GMT
#69
violet vs sortof got a higher hype rating than violet vs hyun? lol wtf???
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Provok
Profile Joined March 2012
France159 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 04:16:00
December 08 2012 22:49 GMT
#70
Gogo HerO and viOlet now !!
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Csong
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada396 Posts
December 08 2012 23:48 GMT
#71
the crowd looks really small o.o
markrevival
Profile Joined January 2012
United States222 Posts
December 09 2012 03:23 GMT
#72
On December 09 2012 08:48 Csong wrote:
the crowd looks really small o.o

the tickets were $70 for a 2 day event. I don't know why they thought that was a good idea
YuM-
Profile Joined April 2011
United States12 Posts
December 09 2012 20:59 GMT
#73
On December 09 2012 12:23 markrevival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 08:48 Csong wrote:
the crowd looks really small o.o

the tickets were $70 for a 2 day event. I don't know why they thought that was a good idea

if you pm'ed mr bitter somewhere, he offered a coupon code which made the tickets wayyy more cheaper, not sure if anyone did that though..
_iMpuLse
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6 Posts
December 09 2012 21:23 GMT
#74
Why is Day[9] a caster at this event? The main two duos work much better together.
Reality makes absolutely no sense.
pigtheman
Profile Joined January 2009
United States333 Posts
December 10 2012 03:49 GMT
#75
lots of people in so. cal have finals this week too ^^
*rawr* d(^_^d)
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