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On August 07 2012 19:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 19:50 eFko wrote:
So sad to hear the non-korean legend go! But what actually made me to register and comment is the fact that I noticed that Jinro is into poker and is actually considering it as a valid "sport", or at least that is how I understood the farewell article...I want to comment just because I have been going in the exactly opposite direction...From Poker into Progaming (particularly SC2)! Why? That is exactly what I feel needs to be said...First, I want to mention that I played poker several years, quite a lot...At least 6 hours a day (sometimes longer if the coinflips went well)...I have played around 3k or 4k online tournaments and attended a lot of live events as well, with quite some success as I come from finacial industry (M.A. in Finance and Monetary Policy) and I do have a very solid mathematical and probability background...I'm an extremely hard working type of guy, with a solid hyperactivity issue and when I fall for something I tend to give it everything I can...That was the case with poker...I read incredible amounts of books, tried ridiculous amounts of strategies with one goal only. To become the best I could at Poker...Now, don't make me wrong, I did not stop playing it because I was a loser...Actually, I was rated as a shark very soon and overall I ended up in a very very solid plus, when I finally understood the game in "all its beauty"...First, I want to point at the reason WHY was poker actually invented...It's simple, it was a way for Wild-Wild West "Cowboys", who understood long term probability to make money of guys who didn't...Everyone familiar with poker knows that in some cases you can bet a sizeable amount on something, which does not happen very often, since it did not happen for insanely long amount of time and that probability of it happening is thus getting higher every turn, so it is already viable to risk...Particularly, Tom "Durrrr" Dwan's play is famous for this aspect. Actually that is how he got his nick...Duuuuuurrrr....:-D Now, to get to the point...Poker is not that hard of a game to learn...Quite the contrary, it is soooo easy....AND that is the main problem of it...If you have, let's say, 100 million active pro or half-pro players...U can expect a huge amount of this chunk to know the game very well...With extremely huge amount of poker literature u can expect almost anyone who read at least one Poker book to understand some maths and probabilities...And that's the biggest setback...With so many people knowing the game so well, it all gets down to coinflips...Well, since I could not set my goals lower than WSOP Champion, I thought extremely hard about how could anyone win WSOP...It is the biggest poker tournament with several thousand participants each year...AND believe me ALL of them know the game EXTREMELY well...So, by knowing this I got to a conclusion that in the end to win such an event you need to win at LEAST 10 (if not more) coinflip situations...NOW, run a Monte Carlo simulation to find out how often this happens (and how often this would happen to U in particular)!!!! Like if you win this, you can consider yourself being like the most luckiest person on the planet despite the "poker skill" you have! So after playing poker so much it all just got down to waiting for the conflip situations and how will they play out...I know that lotta pro's will say that they try to avoid coinflips, but that is actually all they can say...That they TRY to avoid them!...IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to avoid them the whole tournament!!! You will be forced by other players to take 'em even if you don't want to! The only other outcome is getting ripped to pieces by the pro's...
Omg...I need to stop writing...But that's just me everything as best as I can...So to wrap it up...If JINRO will be reading this, please get two books before falling entirely for poker! Both written by N.N.Taleb...1. Fooled by Randomness and 2. Black Swan...I don't want to spoil your excitement for the game, but I feel I need to let you know about this!
I wish u luck in anything you go for!
eFko
PS: Don't forget that there are plenty of new games coming out (check out MechWarrior Online for example :-P)!!! And as Richard Bach wrote in one of his books (When humanity finally recognizes that we do not need armies anymore, we will have to find a use for all those soldiers losing their jobs) What better way then locking our inbred warrior instincts into war games, which are harmless but also do not allow us to get too soft on our warrior genes. I played poker more or less fulltime for a couple of years before I played SC2, I know poker fairly well. Also, I'm not interested in tournaments, I've always prefered cash games. One thing tho: Show nested quote +.Everyone familiar with poker knows that in some cases you can bet a sizeable amount on something, which does not happen very often, since it did not happen for insanely long amount of time and that probability of it happening is thus getting higher every turn This is the exact opposite of how probability works... unless it's something like... the chance of drawing the ace of spades drawing cards 1 by 1 from a deck. If you've drawn 35 cards without getting it, the odds of drawing it on your next one will be better than it was on your previous, however if the deck is re-shuffled between every draw then you can not draw the ace of spades 10239012930192301293 times in a row and the chance of it happening the next time will still be 1/52, now and forever. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you are saying. But in so far as poker is concerned, the probability of events do not fluctuate o.o
You're right Jinro, I read eFko's story agreeing on everything but the part that you just pointed out.
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You made me a fan of this game, good luck man.
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 good luck in the future Jinro, sad to see you go but happy that you have a plan!
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one of the only terrans i like. really to bad. i looked forward to seeing jinro play for a long long time.
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You were my favorite player to watch for so long, you were the foreigners hope and your tear in the GSL won't be forgotten.
Best of luck in the future Jinro, keep on Jinrolling.
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Poland379 Posts
It's sad, but it's also the proof that when you actually DON'T enjoy the game, you won't post results.
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Great post, and good luck with the poker and whatever else comes your way! You have done good, and will be remembered as a great SC2 player!
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Poland379 Posts
On August 07 2012 20:08 cjin wrote:
Like some wise man once said: Leaving is not a sad thing after all - because it’s just the start to a new beginning.
This quote is also the reason why people break all kind of relationships so easily. And that's a sad thing.
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Good Luck Jinro, we'll miss you!
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You are my favorite player of all time, even though the results haven't been shown the past year, i'ts very hard to no longer see you play StarCraft. This is a sad day for me, I wish you best of luck! Hoping for a glimse of you sometime! Jinro <3
Lycka till Jonathan!
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Oh god, I knew this was gonna happened. But when It actually did, It was sadder than I thought.
Vi kommer att sakna dig Jonathan!
GL&HF!
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Bye Jinro, best of luck in the future ! T T
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Good luck with whatever you wish to pursue in the future Jinro!
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Good Luck in the future, Jinro, hope you'll find what you are looking for, whatever that will be 
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yours were the first games i saw when i started watching professional sc2 back in winter 2010, and for that you'll always have a special in my heart.
good luck in the future buddy, its sad to see you go.
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You better keep moderating these forums, right?!
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Wish you all the best in the future Jinro! Im not sure I would've gotten hooked on SC2 if it hadn't been for your play in the early GSL.
I hope in time you'll feel more proud of your accomplishments than you seem here, you did some great things.
gghf
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T_T so sad. always loved jinro. i remember watching him in the earl days of sc2. good luck in the future jinro!
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Tack för dina games Jinro. Fett kul att följa dig!
Best of luck in the future
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gg jinro, thx for showing the world that koreans werent untouchable
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