On June 16 2012 10:31 FidoDido wrote: MVP stopped being good at MLGS ever since his wrists became a problem since he can't play many games over a short period of time.
Personally, I believe MVP will be back at top of MLGS again once he recovers from surgery. Also, if it weren't for MVP, MKP would've won 2 GSLs by now.
Didn't MVP win the GSL through open bracket not dropping a single match? (Or even perhaps a single MAP?!).
There is a reason why MVP is not just the #1 terran, he is the #1 God.
If MKP had never advanced out of the first round in GSL then I'd argue yes they would be more accomplished though not necessarily more skilled. Especially Fruitdealer since the skill level was so horrible back then. MKP has got 3 second places though along with a few other high finishes which is definitely more impressive than a single victory and then falling off. The problem is MKP's last high finish was I believe the Super Tournament which was almost a year ago. Since then he has not passed the ro16 and has frequently lost in the first round.
Fruitdealer is indeed > MKP when fruitdealer won the championship and MKP cant even get past prelim. You cant compare winners of tournaments at different time frame because people improves alot through the two years, cant believe how your brain's logic works. Winning 1 GSL may not be more impressive than winning 10 MLGs but 1 GSL is definitely more indicative of a player being able to consistently perform well rather than having a good weekend. That is why Mvp is the number 1 terran now, furthermore has MKP ever taken a single series off Mvp?
People always say that MKP is good at MLG format and MVP is good at GSL format but the fact is MVP has won the tournaments with all of the formats you can think of in this world. He went to MLG only 2 times and won the first and placed 4th at the second. That's impressive result.
On June 16 2012 12:22 Wildmoon wrote: People always say that MKP is good at MLG format and MVP is good at GSL format but the fact is MVP has won the tournaments with all of the formats you can think of in this world. He went to MLG only 2 times and won the first and placed 4th at the second. That's impressive result.
Yeah, idk why people are saying MVP is only good in GSL-style tournaments. He's showed time and time again he can beat the shit out of people with and without preparation; it is just that he doesn't go to as many foreign tournaments as MKP, which just makes people think he's not good at that style of tournament, but it's just flat-out false when you stop and think about it a little bit.
You can maybe make the case for NesTea (who seems more susceptible to jet-lag as well), but definitely not MVP. The only thing MVP's got going against him is that his wrists are basically shredded right now, and yet he's managed to win a GSL gold even in that condition.
Fruitdealer is indeed > MKP when fruitdealer won the championship and MKP cant even get past prelim. You cant compare winners of tournaments at different time frame because people improves alot through the two years, cant believe how your brain's logic works. Winning 1 GSL may not be more impressive than winning 10 MLGs but 1 GSL is definitely more indicative of a player being able to consistently perform well rather than having a good weekend. That is why Mvp is the number 1 terran now, furthermore has MKP ever taken a single series off Mvp?
3 GSL silvers>1 GSL gold. MKP is a hundred times the player Fruitdealer ever has been or could ever hope to be
On June 16 2012 12:22 Wildmoon wrote: People always say that MKP is good at MLG format and MVP is good at GSL format but the fact is MVP has won the tournaments with all of the formats you can think of in this world. He went to MLG only 2 times and won the first and placed 4th at the second. That's impressive result.
Yeah, idk why people are saying MVP is only good in GSL-style tournaments. He's showed time and time again he can beat the shit out of people with and without preparation; it is just that he doesn't go to as many foreign tournaments as MKP, which just makes people think he's not good at that style of tournament, but it's just flat-out false when you stop and think about it a little bit.
You can maybe make the case for NesTea (who seems more susceptible to jet-lag as well), but definitely not MVP. The only thing MVP's got going against him is that his wrists are basically shredded right now, and yet he's managed to win a GSL gold even in that condition.
Even Nestea has pretty good results at the foreign tournaments he goes to, 2nd blizzcon, 3rd ipl4, 3rd iron squid.
"second place finish at Red Bull Battlegrounds, where he placed higher than all of his StartaleQ teammates, and the 2GD Studio Arena, where he beat top foreigners in Huk and Stephano, he seemed to remind the world that he's still a championship class player."
The wording make it sound like he got 2nd place at 2GD studio, but he got first there (Beat HuK in the finals) ^^
On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year.
LOL MKP won 2 mlg's in a row, and has been dominating everyone. He was almost the consensus #1 player in the world until the zerg buff happened...
lol u serious? MKP won 2 MLG in a row, he passed ro16 lost because of the freaking snipe nerf and i don't think you're actually an fou SCRUB
On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year.
Code S really isnt the best indicator of skill. Anything can happen and its like a shit fest basically. I dont really think you can dispute MKP as the best Terran (DRG fan here)
GSL is basically a shit fest and anything can happen, what do you call rushing out an entire premier tournament in a weekend? GSL is where you can see who the most consistent players are, not just who is having a good weekend.
I assume you mean MLG or something like it in you first sentence?
Glad Fnatic managed to upset Prime, and I hope NSH can pull out a win tonight. :D
Yep typo, sorry.
On June 16 2012 10:57 TommyP wrote:
On June 16 2012 10:55 Dodgin wrote:
On June 16 2012 10:49 TommyP wrote:
On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year.
Code S really isnt the best indicator of skill. Anything can happen and its like a shit fest basically. I dont really think you can dispute MKP as the best Terran (DRG fan here)
GSL is basically a shit fest and anything can happen, what do you call rushing out an entire premier tournament in a weekend? GSL is where you can see who the most consistent players are, not just who is having a good weekend.
True, but it shows who can be the best in the world without preparing for a single opponent and what i meant by "shit fest" was there is just too much talent and you never have an easy game, where as in MLG you can play a foreigner, but yes pretty much all tournaments are shit fests.
I can agree with that, I still think winning a GSL with the current length of the season is by far the most impressive thing any player can accomplish though. Last year's GSL seasons were a lot shorter but now it really takes a champion to play well enough to win a 2-3 month long tournament.
I'll give an example, Slayers_Alicia.
Alicia was playing amazing at MLG and came home with second, beating MKP.
But Alicia will never win GSL ( feel free to quote me months/years down the road and laugh if I'm wrong ) because he is not a true champion. Marineking is also, not yet, a true champion. When Marineking wins the GSL he will be. This of course has nothing to do with player skill and we're getting a bit off topic here but I want people to understand just how hard it is to win GSL compared to a weekend tournament. This is why It's the most prestigious tournament in the world and lots of people will agree 1 gsl > multiple MLG wins.
And lots of people will agree multiple MLG wins is more impressive than 1 GSL win.
I don't get why yall are even arguing. Some people like the planning, mindgame skills in GSL and some people like the game sense needed for MLGs. As for which one's better - they are both opinions, there is not right or wrong answer.
For now the only objective reason GSL is considered better is because of the high level competition, but MLG keeps getting better and better players coming so ...
No the reason GSL is considered better is not only because the player pool is better, but also because the tournament is not finished in three days and there is no open bracket or pools difference which makes winning the tournament much much harder if you're not seeded. Players have an advantage before the tournament even begins. GSL also has bo5 for ro8 and semifinals and bo7 for finals, while MLG has bo3 all the way until the finals which is honestly ridiculous that the winners bracket finals is bo3.
And don't get me started on extended series.
Lol I've never heard that. I have heard people have problems with the fact that a tourney takes a couple months to complete - especially considering games take an average of what 30 minutes? And its not like boxing where the training and actual competition is so physically demanding you need a break in between 'competitions.'
SC2 is a strategy game, there's no reason why you need a month in between matches. Do you know of any chess tournaments that take 3 months to complete? No? I wonder why...
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