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acejem
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia91 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 13:15:27
May 02 2012 13:13 GMT
#141
Foreigner bias is disgustingly stupid here. What MVP wasn't exactly stellar yes, but to go on and call him a cheese only Terran, that they will no longer respect him and hyperbole that they will cancel their GSL subscription. Wtf is this disgusting attitude.

1. MVP was not liked back when was a "boring" but solid macro player to use the term of some TL people here. And now he's hated because he cheesed "the only foreigner" out of a tournament. He's hated either way.

2. The guy has Carpel Tunnel. Yet he's still one of the top players in the GSL even whilst handicapped. How about that TLO? He has carpel tunnel and he cheeses a lot yet he's a foreign favorite. Hypocrite much? MVP has and can play long macro games if he wants, but for now he doesn't due to his wrists. So what you guys want him to do? Give him a friggin break.

3. If you're a terran not named MarinekingPrime (not even Polt is that good at TvP anymore), good luck dealing with a protoss in the lategame because even the Koreans are struggling with it.

4. GSL is big money. People what it takes to win. Deal with it.

I'm sure if Naniwa won with cheese, people will be claiming "Smart play!" or something stupid like that. Seriously Naniwa fanboys need to shut up. Not to mention I find it disgusting the only highly rated game was the one Naninwa one. What a joke. Every game medicore not just the MVP cheeses.

Gosh, I'm wasting time typing this.
teknotrance
Profile Joined March 2012
61 Posts
May 02 2012 13:28 GMT
#142
On May 02 2012 22:13 acejem wrote:

I'm sure if Naniwa won with cheese, people will be claiming "Smart play!"

Naniwa fanboys need to shut up. .

Gosh, I'm wasting time typing this.



I'm sure if Naniwa won with cheese, people will be claiming "Smart play!"

Let me ask you this. Do you know whats going to happen in the next 10mins? What are you? Fortune Teller sc2 critic?
LOL...... Hypocrite much?


Naniwa fanboys need to shut up. .

You said it yourself, "fanboys." What do you expect? appreciation and praises from Naniwa fans to MvP
LOL.... Hypocrite much?

Gosh, I'm wasting time typing this

WOW? Really? why even bother reading and typing? .. thats why we have forums for peoples opinions.
So, if you think expressing your opinion is a waste of time typing. Do you think your opinion is worth reading?
Really? WOW? Pathetic..
LOL.... Hypocrite much?
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 13:33:52
May 02 2012 13:30 GMT
#143
EDIT: Wait, if I'm reading this thread correctly. Did NaNi get cheesed out by Mvp?

I can see NaNi winning 3 - 0.

Why?

1. I'm not saying Mvp will throw the matches. I definitely think for honorable reasons he will put up a fight but he's probably got a lot less pressure to actually practice considering he's secured his Code S seed for next season, wants to take it easy when rehabilitating his wrists and has already proven himself previously by being a three-time GSL champion and maintaining his Code S status against all ods.

2. NaNi is a fucking beast in PvT and PvP. His PvZ has been lackluster and his only achilles heel (he was knocked out of Code A twice by Lucky and had MLG runs ended twice both by Leenock in Providence 2011 and DongRaeGu in Winter Arena) but .

3. Khaldor stated in a vblog that NaNiwa has been practicing around 60 games a day, grinding them the fuck out and being advised by fellow teammates on where he could make slight deviations. He has practiced so hard that even Korean teammates were like "Fuck dis" and tried dodging him for a bit.

4. Even if as NaNiwa claimed before the GSTL finals, people leaked his strategies amongst the Korean scene and IM got a hold of his planned playstyle, he probably has something solid planned for Mvp that can't necessarily be stopped with a build order counter..

5. NaNi is in it to win. If you give him an opportunity to win something. HE WILL FUCKING GO FOR IT.

6. PvT late game is ridiculously in favour of Protoss and dealing with a combination of Colossus, Storm and even Archons can be nightmarish. Even Polt, a player known for his amazing TvP (I think this was in an interview at either Assembly Winter or IPL4) has admitted Protoss seem more favoured
acejem
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia91 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 13:42:25
May 02 2012 13:37 GMT
#144
The games were finished already. And have been so for about 2h. There's about 50 pages of Naniwa fans QQing about MVPs win already if you haven't noticed already. So cut it with the fortune telling crap. I'm just sick of TL people here being hoo hah about foreigners and being butthurt every time they lose.

@Clbull: In a nutshell yes. MVP cheesed/all-ined Naniwa. Though it was half-worthy, since Naniwa was playing extremely greedy. Heck in one game he scouted MVP's cheese very early and still failed to defend against it because he wanted to be greedy. Granted, the series was very mediocre but the comments by Naniwa fans are revolting.
tesyguy
Profile Joined August 2011
2 Posts
May 02 2012 13:42 GMT
#145
On May 02 2012 20:40 Stonedviper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 20:33 yoojaein0131 wrote:
i don't understand why you people bash MvP for the things he did..
okay so he cheesed but then again Naniwa cudn't counter any of those? why?
once or twice? he knew the rush was coming and still failed to def....
MVP might not have shown a good game but same goes to Naniwa for failing to defend rushes he KNEW were coming
it's not a good game from both sides when all things are said and done


I'm personally not bashing anyone and i'm not angry, maybe i would be if i had payed to see good games and got to see that, it's like paying $250 for concert tickets and the band leaving the stage after 2 songs...lol

I hate terran overall, it's the only race that can make tier 1 units and an engineering bay and win 30 minute games with just that....lol

Well gee, now I wonder why terrans have to use tier 1 units. Let's try playing the game...have you tried MECH vs protoss? It's retardedly awful. It's not Terrans fault that the game designed it so that marine, marauder, ghost, viking and medivac are the most efficient units to use vs toss.
-niL
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1131 Posts
May 02 2012 14:03 GMT
#146
MVP! Haters are going to hate but know your fans love you more than ever!
Leijona
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland56 Posts
May 02 2012 14:07 GMT
#147
Well I still like MVP, one of my favorite players. But it's sad to watch him taking big gambles every single game while Nani just plays mainly standard.
cybernoise
Profile Joined October 2011
Austria3 Posts
May 02 2012 14:10 GMT
#148
On May 02 2012 23:07 Leijona wrote:...while Nani just plays mainly standard.

lol...


User was warned for this post
I'll give them my best shot.
Poisonblack
Profile Joined May 2011
452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 14:22:18
May 02 2012 14:21 GMT
#149
On May 02 2012 23:07 Leijona wrote:
Well I still like MVP, one of my favorite players. But it's sad to watch him taking big gambles every single game while Nani just plays mainly standard.

standard? being that greedy is just as much of a gamble/cheesy play than all-inning, and just as disgusting (not that either play is, in my book).

Naniwa fans should suck it up and face the fact that he's out and only has himself to blame for failing horribly at dealing with what mvp threw at him.
Gothic
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden122 Posts
May 02 2012 14:42 GMT
#150
Big Naniwa fan here.

I wasn't able to see the games today, but in my opinion any win is a fair win on this level. As someone said, a greedy opening can be just as cheesy as a proxy rax all in play. Grats to MvP for advancing.

What I want to say is pretty much regardless of todays result. Naniwa can be proud for making Code S Top 8, and for training like a beast, and showing everyone how serious he takes this sport. Congrats on a great Code S season, Nani! You showed them you were worth the seed and I'm sure this is just the beginning.
In the age of the internet, attaching a famous name to your personal opinion to give more weight to it is a very valid strategy. - Benjamin Franklin
Terranicle
Profile Joined June 2011
5 Posts
May 02 2012 14:58 GMT
#151
Upset a foreigner didn't get further, but glad Naniwa lost.

Complaints against "cheese" are stupid though. In a contest you do what you can/need to to win as long as it's within the rules there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
bmore_bulldog
Profile Joined April 2012
18 Posts
May 02 2012 15:25 GMT
#152
Cheese is only despicable on ladder, because it's frustrating and no fun, and laddering is supposed to be fun.

At the pro level, cheese is fair game. As players like Naniwa take risker and riskier econ openers, cheese can and should be used to punish them. I'm a Toss and like Nani as a player, but congrats to MVP, he did what he had to do. At this point, it's like watching Tim Duncan at the later stages of his career, knowing he can't keep up physically and finding different ways to play to his strengths.
luuudeee
Profile Joined May 2012
France9 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 15:33:26
May 02 2012 15:30 GMT
#153
Ok what i'm reading is making me tilt in stellar proportions.

We really don't play the same video game. I rarely enjoyed a GSL series as much as this one. A well executed cheese, defending it, and the nerve game it implies, asks more skills than most of the macro games.

The same goes for people speaking about his handicap and the money. If it was a tournament "just for glory", and that he had super-bionic-wrists, this would still be perfect. Starcraft 2 is a good enough game to allow such diversity, and cheese is a great part of it. The micro from both players was fantastic, and my nerves are still shaking from those games. In such a game, every single click is critical, which is not mandatorly the case in a standard, boring, already-seen-10-times macro game.

The people crying against cheese in general because their booty is still red from the last time they got CR'ed, are hurting the game. Blizzard might listen, and they seem to be very eager for an opporunity to make bad calls.
so chobo
Scvhero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States20 Posts
May 02 2012 16:15 GMT
#154
can someone tell me who won? i missed it all darn sleep ^_^
SCV good to go sir!
Mask DeMasque
Profile Joined February 2012
United States415 Posts
May 02 2012 17:07 GMT
#155
On May 03 2012 01:15 Scvhero wrote:
can someone tell me who won? i missed it all darn sleep ^_^


MVP 3-1
PartinG 3-0

You can always check liquipedia.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 02 2012 17:25 GMT
#156
Yeaaaah, on a nine win streak in liquibet now. Would be twelve if you excluded the Boxer forfeit.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
HGurryp
Profile Joined July 2011
275 Posts
May 02 2012 17:37 GMT
#157
So many Naniwas fan hating mvp now lol
First, naniwa is a greedy player and mvp wanted to punish this.
Second, MVP cant play long games because his wrist.
Third, now Naniwas fan u should shut up because mvp cheesed twice, oh wait, or you are bronze than never accept cheese on ladder games or you guys never cheesed one game before nice.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
May 02 2012 18:06 GMT
#158
On May 03 2012 02:07 Mask DeMasque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 01:15 Scvhero wrote:
can someone tell me who won? i missed it all darn sleep ^_^


MVP 3-1
PartinG 3-0

You can always check liquipedia.

or the LR thread -.-
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
May 02 2012 18:06 GMT
#159
Wow, epic pic of Nani!
CrixusRH
Profile Joined May 2011
6 Posts
May 02 2012 18:09 GMT
#160
mvp the cheese terran. No respect.
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