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MattssoN
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden1 Post
May 02 2012 11:19 GMT
#121
These cheesy koreans, Mvp was scared of facing nani in straight up game. Had to cheese like every korean does when they feel they're loosing... sigh ;SS
Stonedviper
Profile Joined April 2011
74 Posts
May 02 2012 11:21 GMT
#122
On May 02 2012 19:39 InoyouS2 wrote:
Fanboys hating on Mvp because he cheesed.

He has CTS, he's one of the most macro-style players in the game, but if he were to play long macro games there's no way his wrists would survive it. Even after the Ro16 against Leenock he said that his wrists were completely numb after the matches.

Either way, I don't mind, Mvp is my favourite player even when cheesing Bo5s or losing because of wrist pains and low practice time.

GOGO MVP


Personally i don't hate MVP, but games like that are why i don't pay for GSL anymore. If i was naniwa MVP would have worst problems than CTS after i waited for him in the parking lot...lol
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
May 02 2012 11:24 GMT
#123
Mvp is the better player, why are people even disputing it xD...

NaNiwa's record prior to this GSL run was absolutely awful, even with this GSL run he's still only won 40% of his games.
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
Pleks
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14 Posts
May 02 2012 11:27 GMT
#124
Wow the MVP hate is strong in here.

He was obviously playing to win, if you knew Naniwa has an advantage after 15 min mark why would you deliberately play a game over that length?
Combined with the pain from CTS I think he made a sensible decision. His job isnt to play long macro games for the audiance, its to win tournaments.
naimina
Profile Joined March 2012
20 Posts
May 02 2012 11:28 GMT
#125
MVP will loose foregin fans but gain so many more koreans since nani is hated over there.
yoojaein0131
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada7 Posts
May 02 2012 11:33 GMT
#126
i don't understand why you people bash MvP for the things he did..
okay so he cheesed but then again Naniwa cudn't counter any of those? why?
once or twice? he knew the rush was coming and still failed to def....
MVP might not have shown a good game but same goes to Naniwa for failing to defend rushes he KNEW were coming
it's not a good game from both sides when all things are said and done
GeorgeH
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom190 Posts
May 02 2012 11:38 GMT
#127
On May 02 2012 20:16 CV-Mackh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 20:10 GeorgeH wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:31 spanjoar wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:26 Substah wrote:
I actually believe that this kind of match is alot worse than Nani's probe rush. A terran cheesing twice... lost all my respect for MVP. Come back next season Naniwa and claim that GSL crown!


+1

Couldn't have said it better myself. MVP just lost my respect. He should have faced Naniwa like a man.


spanjoar - Sweden
Substah - Sweden

...

Let me put it this way. If Naniwa was Terran, had bad wrists, couldn't practice much etc. and MVP was Protoss and the games were exactly the same, I guarantee you wouldn't be saying this. You would most likely be praising Naniwa for smart build choices considering the circumstances.

In addition, you're also making it sound like MVP has to prove something to everyone. Guess what: he doesn't. He's a multiple-time GSL champion as well as being the second highest money winner in SC2.

By the way, you're just presenting another opportunity for people to typify Naniwa's fanbase...



May I say that I strongly disagree with that statement:

I would not be proud if nani won by cheesing 4 times in a row, maybe a little less intoxicated by rage than I am right now, but still I would not respect that win.
Cheesing all the games in a Bo5 is just saying : I have no chance against you so i'll just backstab you during your sleep. It wins war but it feels dirty and simply brings dishonor on the victory.

This, once again, is not the starcraft we want to see nor is it the one that I can respect.

And people talking about the money are freaking killing me, don't let the money bring all the things we hate about the other sport industries ...

My 2cents



It was never my intention incite hate by mentioning his relative winnings in SC2, it was just an indicator to his success.
Stonedviper
Profile Joined April 2011
74 Posts
May 02 2012 11:40 GMT
#128
On May 02 2012 20:33 yoojaein0131 wrote:
i don't understand why you people bash MvP for the things he did..
okay so he cheesed but then again Naniwa cudn't counter any of those? why?
once or twice? he knew the rush was coming and still failed to def....
MVP might not have shown a good game but same goes to Naniwa for failing to defend rushes he KNEW were coming
it's not a good game from both sides when all things are said and done


I'm personally not bashing anyone and i'm not angry, maybe i would be if i had payed to see good games and got to see that, it's like paying $250 for concert tickets and the band leaving the stage after 2 songs...lol

I hate terran overall, it's the only race that can make tier 1 units and an engineering bay and win 30 minute games with just that....lol
Balinek
Profile Joined February 2012
Poland15 Posts
May 02 2012 11:49 GMT
#129
I don't get you people hating MVP for what he has done. He was playing maps and the player, what's wrong with it? He prepared cheeses which catch Nani off guard. You really think it's easy task ? I bet he need to practice much more to prepare perfect cheese - 'cause one to make ideal cheese can't be late for even one second and needs to put his building so that it would be harder to scout. I think this types of games are exactly what make GSL so good. Playing normal straight game is simple task, but playing perfect cheese in Round of 8 in one of the biggest tournament and execute it in such a way that you won requires much more nerves and much more preparation. I personally admire MVP that he has done what he has done and win with it Best of 5 against one of the best player in the world.
danteafk
Profile Joined May 2011
307 Posts
May 02 2012 11:52 GMT
#130
mvp is being hated, deal with it.
stAMy
Profile Joined March 2012
Norway30 Posts
May 02 2012 11:55 GMT
#131
Rofl why you all hatin on MVP because he punished a greedy protoss? Mvp has shown us some of the greatest games through his career and he also showed us that he manage sick macrogames as well as cheesy earlygames. Please stop crying cause its really pathetic.
Tobiaano
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland14 Posts
May 02 2012 12:05 GMT
#132
Mvp is so good, beats naniwa with cheeses even naniwa scouts em, or might be that naniwa is just that bad ) GOGO 4th championship!
Ishu
Profile Joined January 2012
40 Posts
May 02 2012 12:31 GMT
#133
MVP is much better than NaNi. this is the only thing that i can say to the MVP haters.
gogogo MVP fighting!
yoojaein0131
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada7 Posts
May 02 2012 12:33 GMT
#134
On May 02 2012 20:40 Stonedviper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 20:33 yoojaein0131 wrote:
i don't understand why you people bash MvP for the things he did..
okay so he cheesed but then again Naniwa cudn't counter any of those? why?
once or twice? he knew the rush was coming and still failed to def....
MVP might not have shown a good game but same goes to Naniwa for failing to defend rushes he KNEW were coming
it's not a good game from both sides when all things are said and done


I'm personally not bashing anyone and i'm not angry, maybe i would be if i had payed to see good games and got to see that, it's like paying $250 for concert tickets and the band leaving the stage after 2 songs...lol

I hate terran overall, it's the only race that can make tier 1 units and an engineering bay and win 30 minute games with just that....lol


i understand where you're coming from but you should also realize it would be two VERY intense songs especially considering the amount of micro in those cheeses.

oh and you do realize wen tier 1 units with full upgrades on both sides toss vs terran, it would be more advantageous for toss at 30 mins? rofl it's only up until around the 10 min mark where tier 1 unit for terran is really strong
DayWalk3r
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada192 Posts
May 02 2012 12:49 GMT
#135
Yay my predictions came true :-D
Protoss not imba ... KiwiKaki MC Polt Bomber Hwaiting!
Gel_Nobson
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1 Post
May 02 2012 12:51 GMT
#136
when ist the match in european time??? im confused about the timezones.
rather bad, than not at all.....
fanvadmeck
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden112 Posts
May 02 2012 12:56 GMT
#137
On May 02 2012 21:51 Gel_Nobson wrote:
when ist the match in european time??? im confused about the timezones.


its over.. was 11.10 CEST
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DayWalk3r
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada192 Posts
May 02 2012 12:59 GMT
#138
lol only swedes hating on MvP now, tis a shame
Protoss not imba ... KiwiKaki MC Polt Bomber Hwaiting!
ColtraneL
Profile Joined December 2011
France248 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 13:03:05
May 02 2012 13:02 GMT
#139
First of all, Mvp did not cheese 4 times, he cheesed twice.
A strong tank/marine build on the first game that eventually countered the Colo 2 base push that Nani was trying to do gave him the first game in the midstage of the game.
Game 2 and Game 4 are cheeses, ok. Game 3 was a very fast CC into a composition in the style of 1-1-1 with 4 rax after the first banshee, I don't even know how people can call that a cheese.

But the most important thing is that because Naniwa is cutting so much corner in the early game, he is weak against pushes but very strong in the late game. I don't see the point of letting him unpunished to get crushed afterwards whereas you just need to break him before this point. Naniwa scouted both cheeses and he still didn't manage to defend it. If there is a problem, it's in Naniwa's build, not in Mvp's mind .
teknotrance
Profile Joined March 2012
61 Posts
May 02 2012 13:08 GMT
#140
a theft is a theft
a criminal is a criminal
cheese is a cheese. (sigh) .. disappointments always come from high expectations.
YES, Mvp, technically did nothing wrong.
But, for petes sake! I thought we all agree GSL is the most prestigious sc2 tourney.
Well, I doubt that.
At the end of the day, our goal is for the money, and money alone. (not the pride, glorious and straight-up battle BS)
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