• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:55
CEST 22:55
KST 05:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End1Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
GSTL Returns in 2026!41Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-611
StarCraft 2
General
GSTL Returns in 2026! Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Protoss AoE skill expression Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory
Brood War
General
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End Rush's Odyssey Controversy StarCraft 64 is coming to Philly at SC4ALL II BW General Discussion Best Games Kespa era
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group A CSLAN 4 is Coming! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Chinese Gen Z: Between Dream…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8483 users

[Code S] RO8 - Day One Preview - Page 7

Forum Index > News
167 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 Next All
MattssoN
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden1 Post
May 02 2012 11:19 GMT
#121
These cheesy koreans, Mvp was scared of facing nani in straight up game. Had to cheese like every korean does when they feel they're loosing... sigh ;SS
Stonedviper
Profile Joined April 2011
74 Posts
May 02 2012 11:21 GMT
#122
On May 02 2012 19:39 InoyouS2 wrote:
Fanboys hating on Mvp because he cheesed.

He has CTS, he's one of the most macro-style players in the game, but if he were to play long macro games there's no way his wrists would survive it. Even after the Ro16 against Leenock he said that his wrists were completely numb after the matches.

Either way, I don't mind, Mvp is my favourite player even when cheesing Bo5s or losing because of wrist pains and low practice time.

GOGO MVP


Personally i don't hate MVP, but games like that are why i don't pay for GSL anymore. If i was naniwa MVP would have worst problems than CTS after i waited for him in the parking lot...lol
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
May 02 2012 11:24 GMT
#123
Mvp is the better player, why are people even disputing it xD...

NaNiwa's record prior to this GSL run was absolutely awful, even with this GSL run he's still only won 40% of his games.
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
Pleks
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14 Posts
May 02 2012 11:27 GMT
#124
Wow the MVP hate is strong in here.

He was obviously playing to win, if you knew Naniwa has an advantage after 15 min mark why would you deliberately play a game over that length?
Combined with the pain from CTS I think he made a sensible decision. His job isnt to play long macro games for the audiance, its to win tournaments.
naimina
Profile Joined March 2012
20 Posts
May 02 2012 11:28 GMT
#125
MVP will loose foregin fans but gain so many more koreans since nani is hated over there.
yoojaein0131
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada7 Posts
May 02 2012 11:33 GMT
#126
i don't understand why you people bash MvP for the things he did..
okay so he cheesed but then again Naniwa cudn't counter any of those? why?
once or twice? he knew the rush was coming and still failed to def....
MVP might not have shown a good game but same goes to Naniwa for failing to defend rushes he KNEW were coming
it's not a good game from both sides when all things are said and done
GeorgeH
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom190 Posts
May 02 2012 11:38 GMT
#127
On May 02 2012 20:16 CV-Mackh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 20:10 GeorgeH wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:31 spanjoar wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:26 Substah wrote:
I actually believe that this kind of match is alot worse than Nani's probe rush. A terran cheesing twice... lost all my respect for MVP. Come back next season Naniwa and claim that GSL crown!


+1

Couldn't have said it better myself. MVP just lost my respect. He should have faced Naniwa like a man.


spanjoar - Sweden
Substah - Sweden

...

Let me put it this way. If Naniwa was Terran, had bad wrists, couldn't practice much etc. and MVP was Protoss and the games were exactly the same, I guarantee you wouldn't be saying this. You would most likely be praising Naniwa for smart build choices considering the circumstances.

In addition, you're also making it sound like MVP has to prove something to everyone. Guess what: he doesn't. He's a multiple-time GSL champion as well as being the second highest money winner in SC2.

By the way, you're just presenting another opportunity for people to typify Naniwa's fanbase...



May I say that I strongly disagree with that statement:

I would not be proud if nani won by cheesing 4 times in a row, maybe a little less intoxicated by rage than I am right now, but still I would not respect that win.
Cheesing all the games in a Bo5 is just saying : I have no chance against you so i'll just backstab you during your sleep. It wins war but it feels dirty and simply brings dishonor on the victory.

This, once again, is not the starcraft we want to see nor is it the one that I can respect.

And people talking about the money are freaking killing me, don't let the money bring all the things we hate about the other sport industries ...

My 2cents



It was never my intention incite hate by mentioning his relative winnings in SC2, it was just an indicator to his success.
Stonedviper
Profile Joined April 2011
74 Posts
May 02 2012 11:40 GMT
#128
On May 02 2012 20:33 yoojaein0131 wrote:
i don't understand why you people bash MvP for the things he did..
okay so he cheesed but then again Naniwa cudn't counter any of those? why?
once or twice? he knew the rush was coming and still failed to def....
MVP might not have shown a good game but same goes to Naniwa for failing to defend rushes he KNEW were coming
it's not a good game from both sides when all things are said and done


I'm personally not bashing anyone and i'm not angry, maybe i would be if i had payed to see good games and got to see that, it's like paying $250 for concert tickets and the band leaving the stage after 2 songs...lol

I hate terran overall, it's the only race that can make tier 1 units and an engineering bay and win 30 minute games with just that....lol
Balinek
Profile Joined February 2012
Poland15 Posts
May 02 2012 11:49 GMT
#129
I don't get you people hating MVP for what he has done. He was playing maps and the player, what's wrong with it? He prepared cheeses which catch Nani off guard. You really think it's easy task ? I bet he need to practice much more to prepare perfect cheese - 'cause one to make ideal cheese can't be late for even one second and needs to put his building so that it would be harder to scout. I think this types of games are exactly what make GSL so good. Playing normal straight game is simple task, but playing perfect cheese in Round of 8 in one of the biggest tournament and execute it in such a way that you won requires much more nerves and much more preparation. I personally admire MVP that he has done what he has done and win with it Best of 5 against one of the best player in the world.
danteafk
Profile Joined May 2011
307 Posts
May 02 2012 11:52 GMT
#130
mvp is being hated, deal with it.
stAMy
Profile Joined March 2012
Norway30 Posts
May 02 2012 11:55 GMT
#131
Rofl why you all hatin on MVP because he punished a greedy protoss? Mvp has shown us some of the greatest games through his career and he also showed us that he manage sick macrogames as well as cheesy earlygames. Please stop crying cause its really pathetic.
Tobiaano
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland14 Posts
May 02 2012 12:05 GMT
#132
Mvp is so good, beats naniwa with cheeses even naniwa scouts em, or might be that naniwa is just that bad ) GOGO 4th championship!
Ishu
Profile Joined January 2012
40 Posts
May 02 2012 12:31 GMT
#133
MVP is much better than NaNi. this is the only thing that i can say to the MVP haters.
gogogo MVP fighting!
yoojaein0131
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada7 Posts
May 02 2012 12:33 GMT
#134
On May 02 2012 20:40 Stonedviper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 20:33 yoojaein0131 wrote:
i don't understand why you people bash MvP for the things he did..
okay so he cheesed but then again Naniwa cudn't counter any of those? why?
once or twice? he knew the rush was coming and still failed to def....
MVP might not have shown a good game but same goes to Naniwa for failing to defend rushes he KNEW were coming
it's not a good game from both sides when all things are said and done


I'm personally not bashing anyone and i'm not angry, maybe i would be if i had payed to see good games and got to see that, it's like paying $250 for concert tickets and the band leaving the stage after 2 songs...lol

I hate terran overall, it's the only race that can make tier 1 units and an engineering bay and win 30 minute games with just that....lol


i understand where you're coming from but you should also realize it would be two VERY intense songs especially considering the amount of micro in those cheeses.

oh and you do realize wen tier 1 units with full upgrades on both sides toss vs terran, it would be more advantageous for toss at 30 mins? rofl it's only up until around the 10 min mark where tier 1 unit for terran is really strong
DayWalk3r
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada192 Posts
May 02 2012 12:49 GMT
#135
Yay my predictions came true :-D
Protoss not imba ... KiwiKaki MC Polt Bomber Hwaiting!
Gel_Nobson
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1 Post
May 02 2012 12:51 GMT
#136
when ist the match in european time??? im confused about the timezones.
rather bad, than not at all.....
fanvadmeck
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden112 Posts
May 02 2012 12:56 GMT
#137
On May 02 2012 21:51 Gel_Nobson wrote:
when ist the match in european time??? im confused about the timezones.


its over.. was 11.10 CEST
| Startale | Quantic | Liquid FTW!
DayWalk3r
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada192 Posts
May 02 2012 12:59 GMT
#138
lol only swedes hating on MvP now, tis a shame
Protoss not imba ... KiwiKaki MC Polt Bomber Hwaiting!
ColtraneL
Profile Joined December 2011
France248 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 13:03:05
May 02 2012 13:02 GMT
#139
First of all, Mvp did not cheese 4 times, he cheesed twice.
A strong tank/marine build on the first game that eventually countered the Colo 2 base push that Nani was trying to do gave him the first game in the midstage of the game.
Game 2 and Game 4 are cheeses, ok. Game 3 was a very fast CC into a composition in the style of 1-1-1 with 4 rax after the first banshee, I don't even know how people can call that a cheese.

But the most important thing is that because Naniwa is cutting so much corner in the early game, he is weak against pushes but very strong in the late game. I don't see the point of letting him unpunished to get crushed afterwards whereas you just need to break him before this point. Naniwa scouted both cheeses and he still didn't manage to defend it. If there is a problem, it's in Naniwa's build, not in Mvp's mind .
teknotrance
Profile Joined March 2012
61 Posts
May 02 2012 13:08 GMT
#140
a theft is a theft
a criminal is a criminal
cheese is a cheese. (sigh) .. disappointments always come from high expectations.
YES, Mvp, technically did nothing wrong.
But, for petes sake! I thought we all agree GSL is the most prestigious sc2 tourney.
Well, I doubt that.
At the end of the day, our goal is for the money, and money alone. (not the pride, glorious and straight-up battle BS)
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
HomeStory Cup
17:00
Promo Event
IPSL
16:00
CSLAN Day 2
Airneanach309
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech88
StarCraft: Brood War
scan(afreeca) 11
Dota 2
XaKoH 900
League of Legends
Doublelift5195
JimRising 255
Counter-Strike
fl0m2862
summit1g2151
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King143
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu458
Other Games
Grubby2029
Liquid`RaSZi1945
Mlord442
mouzStarbuck378
IndyStarCraft 164
elazer116
KnowMe108
RotterdaM86
ROOTCatZ1
gofns0
Organizations
Super Smash Bros
gamesdonequick1080
Other Games
BasetradeTV55
StarCraft 2
angryscii 33
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 15
• Adnapsc2 11
• Reevou 4
• Response 2
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21076
Other Games
• imaqtpie1472
• Shiphtur377
Upcoming Events
OSC
3h 6m
Afreeca Starleague
13h 6m
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
WardiTV Weekly
14h 6m
The Patches Monday
19h 6m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 13h
Sharp vs Shinee
Action vs Shine
GSL
1d 14h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
BeSt vs Paralyze
Jaedong vs Speed
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
CSLAN 4
Proleague 2026-08-16
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

ASL Season 22
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
Escore Tournament S3: W8
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.