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Substah
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden25 Posts
May 02 2012 10:26 GMT
#101
I actually believe that this kind of match is alot worse than Nani's probe rush. A terran cheesing twice... lost all my respect for MVP. Come back next season Naniwa and claim that GSL crown!
spanjoar
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden10 Posts
May 02 2012 10:31 GMT
#102
On May 02 2012 19:26 Substah wrote:
I actually believe that this kind of match is alot worse than Nani's probe rush. A terran cheesing twice... lost all my respect for MVP. Come back next season Naniwa and claim that GSL crown!


+1

Couldn't have said it better myself. MVP just lost my respect. He should have faced Naniwa like a man.
Tegenaria
Profile Joined November 2011
France379 Posts
May 02 2012 10:36 GMT
#103
On May 02 2012 19:31 spanjoar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:26 Substah wrote:
I actually believe that this kind of match is alot worse than Nani's probe rush. A terran cheesing twice... lost all my respect for MVP. Come back next season Naniwa and claim that GSL crown!


+1

Couldn't have said it better myself. MVP just lost my respect. He should have faced Naniwa like a man.



MVP is just a smart guy. He thought he had better chance to advance with cheesy play and he was right. gg to him
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
May 02 2012 10:38 GMT
#104
On May 02 2012 19:36 Tegenaria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:31 spanjoar wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:26 Substah wrote:
I actually believe that this kind of match is alot worse than Nani's probe rush. A terran cheesing twice... lost all my respect for MVP. Come back next season Naniwa and claim that GSL crown!


+1

Couldn't have said it better myself. MVP just lost my respect. He should have faced Naniwa like a man.



MVP is just a smart guy. He thought he had better chance to advance with cheesy play and he was right. gg to him


Because of that mentality we have such bad games. This is turning out to be anything else but a true e-sport using that mentality.
U MAD BRO?
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
May 02 2012 10:39 GMT
#105
Fanboys hating on Mvp because he cheesed.

He has CTS, he's one of the most macro-style players in the game, but if he were to play long macro games there's no way his wrists would survive it. Even after the Ro16 against Leenock he said that his wrists were completely numb after the matches.

Either way, I don't mind, Mvp is my favourite player even when cheesing Bo5s or losing because of wrist pains and low practice time.

GOGO MVP
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
belija
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany4 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 10:43:51
May 02 2012 10:41 GMT
#106
Well, MvP played smart and won which is also part of being a "good". But Naniwa could have played better especially in the 4th game. For a series which was so anticipated it was really horrible though.

But damn Parting, holy mother mercy.
SKiller
Profile Joined November 2011
Poland39 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 10:45:24
May 02 2012 10:44 GMT
#107
Lol, you guys blame MVP for cheesing. He played very smart series. You should blame Naniwa's micro or his bad decisions during match. On Entombed Valley he saw all in coming, but didn't manage to defend it properly. On Daybreak Naniwa killed scv, delayed 2nd rax so much, but one more time he lost.
"More GG, more skill" White Ra
KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
May 02 2012 10:46 GMT
#108
On May 02 2012 19:26 Substah wrote:
I actually believe that this kind of match is alot worse than Nani's probe rush. A terran cheesing twice... lost all my respect for MVP. Come back next season Naniwa and claim that GSL crown!

No, it's not. This can be the start of rivalries, like BoxeR vs YellOw, Flash vs Bisu. It makes people more engaged in the game too, people are so upset at the moment after seeing Nani falling so short, but everyone knows that he can overcome, and this makes his resolve stronger and the fans' wishes to see him triumph even greater.

Call it what you want, but this is good for eSports.
Get crunk
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
May 02 2012 10:51 GMT
#109
Mvp cheesed because of his wrists he didn't want to play a long game it would have been nice to see naniwa advance but it didn't happen. He's gonna get crushed by Parting because he's already 2-0 against Oz.
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Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
May 02 2012 10:54 GMT
#110
probe rush has pretty much zero chance of working, while MVP's cheeses win games. When Naniwa scouted the proxy raxes and was still unable to stop them it was a stress test that he failed to pass. I have faith that if Naniwa can replay the game he can most likely stop the proxy raxes.
CV-Mackh
Profile Joined April 2012
France102 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 11:08:01
May 02 2012 10:57 GMT
#111
I lost all respect or interest for MVP, no freaking argument about that being clever or how bad the poor guy is injured and stuff, I simply hate watching those cheesy game, and I feel like MVP just feared naniwa and just proved that he could not take him in a regular game.

Naniwa will get payback next season ... but mvp is no longer someone I respect.
Just a few more drones I sware !
ninjaqed
Profile Joined May 2012
Norway22 Posts
May 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#112
Lol at ppl whining over the fact that mvp does what give him biggest chanses of winning. Mvp is one of the players that use long game macro the most, when he first cheese its for a good reason. Plz remember that gsl is big money. BIG money. U do what u need to win. If cheese is the best way to win against naniwa, u go cheese. If longgame is the best way, u go longgame. They don practice all year around to be perfect gentlemen, they practice to win games!

Now stop whine and admit that mvp played just as he needed to.
Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
May 02 2012 11:00 GMT
#113
Even if MVP didn't have those injuries he has still the right to try to win. There is no need to bash on him for beating a pretty unmannered guy albeit a foreigner.
CV-Mackh
Profile Joined April 2012
France102 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 11:08:24
May 02 2012 11:05 GMT
#114

Lol at ppl whining over the fact that mvp does what give him biggest chanses of winning. Mvp is one of the players that use long game macro the most, when he first cheese its for a good reason. Plz remember that gsl is big money. BIG money. U do what u need to win. If cheese is the best way to win against naniwa, u go cheese. If longgame is the best way, u go longgame. They don practice all year around to be perfect gentlemen, they practice to win games!

Now stop whine and admit that mvp played just as he needed to.


Yeah lot of money, sc2 is becoming like football/soccer then ? Loads of money but shitty games played by greedy players ?

Plus I am not paying a season ticket to see players cheese that much in a bo5, mvp is just disrespectful of his audience and his opponent...
Just a few more drones I sware !
DNA.MPK
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States50 Posts
May 02 2012 11:05 GMT
#115
Yeah cheese happens, good work MVP. Saying that you lost all respect for Mvp?I don't think using cheese "proves" he was afraid of a player... Stuff like that has been going on in stracraft1 for years. Deal with it and wish Naniwa luck next season, don't bash Mvp.
stumpgrinder
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden4 Posts
May 02 2012 11:08 GMT
#116
so proud of u nani. GSL season 3 nanihwa FIGHTINGGGGGGG!!! :> <3
GeorgeH
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom190 Posts
May 02 2012 11:10 GMT
#117
On May 02 2012 19:31 spanjoar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:26 Substah wrote:
I actually believe that this kind of match is alot worse than Nani's probe rush. A terran cheesing twice... lost all my respect for MVP. Come back next season Naniwa and claim that GSL crown!


+1

Couldn't have said it better myself. MVP just lost my respect. He should have faced Naniwa like a man.


spanjoar - Sweden
Substah - Sweden

...

Let me put it this way. If Naniwa was Terran, had bad wrists, couldn't practice much etc. and MVP was Protoss and the games were exactly the same, I guarantee you wouldn't be saying this. You would most likely be praising Naniwa for smart build choices considering the circumstances.

In addition, you're also making it sound like MVP has to prove something to everyone. Guess what: he doesn't. He's a multiple-time GSL champion as well as being the second highest money winner in SC2.

By the way, you're just presenting another opportunity for people to typify Naniwa's fanbase...
ninjaqed
Profile Joined May 2012
Norway22 Posts
May 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#118
On May 02 2012 20:05 CV-Mackh wrote:
Show nested quote +

Lol at ppl whining over the fact that mvp does what give him biggest chanses of winning. Mvp is one of the players that use long game macro the most, when he first cheese its for a good reason. Plz remember that gsl is big money. BIG money. U do what u need to win. If cheese is the best way to win against naniwa, u go cheese. If longgame is the best way, u go longgame. They don practice all year around to be perfect gentlemen, they practice to win games!

Now stop whine and admit that mvp played just as he needed to.


Yeah lot of money, sc2 is becoming like football/soccer then ? Loads of money but shitty games played by greedy players ?

Plus I am not paying a season ticket to see players cheese that much in a bo5, mvp is just disrespectful of his audience and his opponent...

So.. u dont want players to play for win? Not allowed to attack before the 10 min mark? U really think they practice 7-8 ours pr day but wont adapt to win matches? The mark of a great player is that he manage to adapt to different enemys. MVP is GREAT at longgame, but when Naniwa has won so many games after the 15min mark, there is only common sense to counter it with something else. If u want gentleman, go play some chess, if u want some good competitive e-sport, watch gsl <3
CV-Mackh
Profile Joined April 2012
France102 Posts
May 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#119
On May 02 2012 20:10 GeorgeH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:31 spanjoar wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:26 Substah wrote:
I actually believe that this kind of match is alot worse than Nani's probe rush. A terran cheesing twice... lost all my respect for MVP. Come back next season Naniwa and claim that GSL crown!


+1

Couldn't have said it better myself. MVP just lost my respect. He should have faced Naniwa like a man.


spanjoar - Sweden
Substah - Sweden

...

Let me put it this way. If Naniwa was Terran, had bad wrists, couldn't practice much etc. and MVP was Protoss and the games were exactly the same, I guarantee you wouldn't be saying this. You would most likely be praising Naniwa for smart build choices considering the circumstances.

In addition, you're also making it sound like MVP has to prove something to everyone. Guess what: he doesn't. He's a multiple-time GSL champion as well as being the second highest money winner in SC2.

By the way, you're just presenting another opportunity for people to typify Naniwa's fanbase...



May I say that I strongly disagree with that statement:

I would not be proud if nani won by cheesing 4 times in a row, maybe a little less intoxicated by rage than I am right now, but still I would not respect that win.
Cheesing all the games in a Bo5 is just saying : I have no chance against you so i'll just backstab you during your sleep. It wins war but it feels dirty and simply brings dishonor on the victory.

This, once again, is not the starcraft we want to see nor is it the one that I can respect.

And people talking about the money are freaking killing me, don't let the money bring all the things we hate about the other sport industries ...

My 2cents

Just a few more drones I sware !
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
May 02 2012 11:17 GMT
#120
MVP said that "Naniwa had a very greedy play style, and he wanted to punish it"
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