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Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
May 03 2012 04:36 GMT
#961
BW gamers at MLG with HotS means only one thing... we'll have bw gamers test out the game for feedback. so all is not lost. really hoping this new cooperation will snowball into something big... because i dont want a game like LoL to stomp bw/starcraft.
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FlyingDike
Profile Joined December 2011
United States221 Posts
May 03 2012 05:26 GMT
#962
When are the interviews going to be posted? I'm becoming dehydrated bc my vagina has been dripping for the past 38 hours.
Rossen
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark177 Posts
May 03 2012 05:45 GMT
#963
Where can we see the full "news" that came out of this ? And the interviews ... I cant seem to find anything that isent in korean #_#
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
May 03 2012 05:50 GMT
#964
On May 03 2012 11:58 cameler wrote:
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On May 03 2012 06:21 Klonere wrote:
On May 03 2012 05:43 Bareleon wrote:
On May 03 2012 05:30 Klonere wrote:
On May 03 2012 05:27 blahblahblahwhatever wrote:
On May 03 2012 05:15 Klonere wrote:
On May 03 2012 04:52 tedster wrote:
On May 02 2012 23:57 SC_Ghost wrote:
On May 02 2012 23:44 maybenexttime wrote:
On May 02 2012 23:04 SC_Ghost wrote:
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It is a huge change, and if handled correctly and professionally it will be a huge step forward.
I understand your concerns completely, I can see how if it was to go sour it would destroy an entire industry that's been over 10 years in the making.
One thing that's clear for me is that if there are disputes amongst the united organisations it would no doubt be fixed without any underlying injustice. All of these organisations care about esports and, being a business, also care about money and the industry. I'm sure that Blizzard (as well as the other parties involved) won't impose such a dictatorial attitude due to the fact that success for ALL of the organisations means success for each of them, if they hurt their partners then in turn they hurt themselves.


No, blizzard does not care about esport. Otherwise they wouldn't have tried to kill BW so badly. So far they have shown they're too incompetent to fix sc2, so I hope what they did will bite them in the ass. They're becoming the new EA, screw them...


That's an interesting opinion. It has left me wondering, If they didn't care about esports why would they take part in this union?
Surely if esports promotes their game, then esports is something worth investing time and resources into since it makes them more money, right? So that means they must care about esports because of their investments.


They are trying to sell a new game. They don't really care about games they aren't making money from any more and aren't really concerned with the overall health and quality of esports, just New Blizzard Products.


Blizzard realize that they failed miserable in the Korean launch of Starcraft II (along with squandering links to the most incredible esports scene ever) and are looking at LoL making WoW type cash. They want a piece of the Korean pie and this is how they are doing it, putting SC2 on the front and center of the biggest gaming broadcaster in SK, mainly via legal muscle rather than any concern about ESPORTS/.


Can we start some kind of online petition??


Online petitions involving the least important, least numerous component of the BW community, sounds like a fantastic idea! No this isn't going to be changed by anything, my BW heart is cold and dead since Kpop killed MBC. Blizzard can do what they like with SC2, I am beginning to get to the point where I truly think its going to be a dead game in a years time.


Like BW? Trust me, sc2 will last generations longer than BW.


Ok so we have SC2 pretty much dead on arrival in Korea, the scene there has easily the most talented, hard-working players, putting in hours to become the best but an extremely low amount of Korean fans cheering them on. It doesn't get played in PC Bangs, due to ridiculous Bnet account requirements, plus you can play LoL with your friends with ALL THE HERO'S UNLOCKED!. So the main place where Korean gamers congregate and discuss games has little to no SC2 in it. GOM heavily relys on subs from the foreign community to keep going, with pathetic studio attendances and their incredible production skills making up for small audiences at finals. Korean teams have all been living on the edge, with some teams like Zenex needing their players to pay to stay in team-house rather than the other way around. IM and FXO are the only teams with stable sponsors.

In the foreigner scene we have a growing movement of apathy towards the trend of Korean domination in tournaments. GOM has the Code S seed to get foreigner subs for GSL more than anything. Foreigner teams care more about being players having a following and being active on social media, which is fair enough seeing as they have a business to run which is more like a charity. Foreigner fans argue more about casters than the actual game. LoL is getting huge in the West as well, pulling gigantic numbers. The game itself has some serious design issues, both in gameplay and UI. Without radical intervention by Blizzard I don't see it being around for very long.


Jesus Christ, Klonere I want to say I agree with all of your posts, I have nothing more to add.

I also see where Klonere is coming from, but he's wrong.

He is arguing from a doomsday perspective, and LoL getting massive means they get the largest part of the eSports pie, not all the esports pie. Serious design issues in gameplay and UI is debatable, esp from just watching pros play. Essentially, all of the criticisms he brings up are things that should be written in a history textbook, not used as evidence of a dead game.
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Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 07:31:01
May 03 2012 07:30 GMT
#965
Didn't WoW arena have tons of viewers too? That was a great esport game, right?! MOBA is impenetrable for people not playing the game, RTS can be rather easily watched by anyone without ever touching the game.
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17502 Posts
May 03 2012 07:54 GMT
#966
On May 03 2012 05:30 Klonere wrote:
Online petitions involving the least important, least numerous component of the BW community, sounds like a fantastic idea! No this isn't going to be changed by anything, my BW heart is cold and dead since Kpop killed MBC. Blizzard can do what they like with SC2, I am beginning to get to the point where I truly think its going to be a dead game in a years time.


There is 0 probability that competitive SC2 is "dead" by May 2013. The game will still be developing as Blizzard continues to balance the game and prepares for new multiplayer units for Legacy of the Void.

Frank Pierce stated he views SC2 as a 10 year eSports project and that "PC sales records" are nice, but really are nothing they are going to celebrate over.

How many Blizzard games died before its expansions came out? 0
How many months/years does it take for your Blizzard games to "die" after its final expansion is complete?
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Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
May 03 2012 12:37 GMT
#967
why are you all arguing about sc2 vs bw when you could be looking at pictures of bisu? ^^

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Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
May 03 2012 12:44 GMT
#968
On May 03 2012 21:37 Kiett wrote:
why are you all arguing about sc2 vs bw when you could be looking at pictures of bisu? ^^

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If SC2 doesn't work out for them, they should try running for President. Of the World.
Starleague Forever. RIP KT Violet~
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
May 03 2012 13:10 GMT
#969
PPPFFFT Stork mirror image beats Bisu any day ^^
TheDWorm
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany69 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 14:09:15
May 03 2012 14:08 GMT
#970
i cant wait
this will be so legend...wait for it...dary
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 15:37:28
May 03 2012 15:36 GMT
#971
On May 03 2012 08:03 hydrogg wrote:
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On May 03 2012 07:12 howLiN wrote:
Are people seriously so mad that they're calling LoL a worthier successor to BW than SC2? That doesn't even make any sense lol.


Both of those games are popular in Korea (LOL at 10% and BW at 5% currently in PCBang ratings) whereas SC2 isn't (>1%). LOL is even stronger than BW arguably since it is also popular outside of Korea.

Oh, so you people follow what's popular. I see. Maybe you don't actually give a shit about the game, maybe what you actually want is the crowds, the pretty boys, and the grandeur. That's enlightning.
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 16:09:59
May 03 2012 16:08 GMT
#972
On May 04 2012 00:36 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 08:03 hydrogg wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:12 howLiN wrote:
Are people seriously so mad that they're calling LoL a worthier successor to BW than SC2? That doesn't even make any sense lol.


Both of those games are popular in Korea (LOL at 10% and BW at 5% currently in PCBang ratings) whereas SC2 isn't (>1%). LOL is even stronger than BW arguably since it is also popular outside of Korea.

Oh, so you people follow what's popular. I see. Maybe you don't actually give a shit about the game, maybe what you actually want is the crowds, the pretty boys, and the grandeur. That's enlightning.

But popularity in society is quite important to anything being appreciated and given the attention that would do it justice. I'd still enjoy Starcraft (either one, both) even if it wasn't hugely successful/popular just to play it with whoever and watch the odd stream and occasional tournaments, but if we are talking about making a great "esport" it needs to be popular, have the audience numbers and player base so that we continually gather great players, set up great teams, show great games and build up legacies and legends that will inspire.

Also, come on, don't be so negative and dismissive, of other people or other games. <3
Starleague Forever. RIP KT Violet~
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
May 03 2012 18:33 GMT
#973
Here we goooooo!
~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
SlowBullets
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States839 Posts
May 03 2012 19:13 GMT
#974
On May 03 2012 07:12 howLiN wrote:
Are people seriously so mad that they're calling LoL a worthier successor to BW than SC2? That doesn't even make any sense lol.

SC2 doesn't even come close to the popularity that LoL has at the moment in Korea...or even worldwide for that matter.
1:1 go sc2 LAN? Oh wait...
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
May 03 2012 21:54 GMT
#975
For a second, I was worried that Team 8, Airforce Ace, TSL, oGs, and Zenex players weren't on ESFI's list of confirmed players attending the event, but it turns out that there wasn't that much to worry about. After seeing photos of the event, I've spotted a Zenex player, an oGs player in their new uniform polo shirt, Jaedong representing Team 8, possibly Piano representing Airforce Ace, and Polt representing TSL. So everyone was there.
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urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
May 03 2012 23:06 GMT
#976
On May 04 2012 04:13 SlowBullets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 07:12 howLiN wrote:
Are people seriously so mad that they're calling LoL a worthier successor to BW than SC2? That doesn't even make any sense lol.

SC2 doesn't even come close to the popularity that LoL has at the moment in Korea...or even worldwide for that matter.

Neither did BW? SC2 doesn't have to slay the LoL giant to carry on BW's legacy. Just let what may be be.
Who dat ninja?
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 00:54:07
May 04 2012 00:39 GMT
#977
On May 04 2012 06:54 eviltomahawk wrote:
For a second, I was worried that Team 8, Airforce Ace, TSL, oGs, and Zenex players weren't on ESFI's list of confirmed players attending the event, but it turns out that there wasn't that much to worry about. After seeing photos of the event, I've spotted a Zenex player, an oGs player in their new uniform polo shirt, Jaedong representing Team 8, possibly Piano representing Airforce Ace, and Polt representing TSL. So everyone was there.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure every Korea-based team (from Proleague and GSTL) had at least one player and coach there.

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Just looking at the above picture from pgr21.com you can already see (from left to right):

(T)SuperNoVa from (Wiki)Old Generations
(Z)NesTea from (Wiki)Incredible Miracle
(Z)July from (Wiki)Startale
(Z)Leenock from (Wiki)FXOpen
(T)Polt from (Wiki)Team SCV Life
(T)MarineKing from (Wiki)Prime
Young-Jay Paik, Blizzard Korea Managing Director
(Z)DongRaeGu from (Wiki)MVP (team)
Paul Sams, Blizzard COO
Ilja Rotelli, Blizzard Global Community & eSports Director
(T)Leta from (Wiki)CJ Entus
(T)Flash from (Wiki)KT Rolster
(P)Stork from (Wiki)Samsung KHAN
(P)Bisu from (Wiki)SK Telecom T1
(Z)ZerO from (Wiki)Woongjin Stars
(Z)Calm from (Wiki)STX SouL

On other pictures (e.g. at leveltory.com) you see (T)Jjakji from (Wiki)NSHoSeo and (T)BoxeR from (Wiki)SlayerS, as well as coaches (P)Choya from (Wiki)FXOpen, (Z)Gerrard from (Wiki)Prime, and the (Wiki)IM coach. I'm sure there are also pictures floating around showing representives from teams (Wiki)ZeNEX, (Wiki)Team 8, and (Wiki)Air Force ACE.
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
May 04 2012 02:45 GMT
#978
why are you all arguing about sc2 vs bw when you could be looking at pictures of bisu? ^^


Because I am interested in girls over guys ...... Tossgirl where art thou ?
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
May 04 2012 04:14 GMT
#979
On May 04 2012 09:39 Proseat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 06:54 eviltomahawk wrote:
For a second, I was worried that Team 8, Airforce Ace, TSL, oGs, and Zenex players weren't on ESFI's list of confirmed players attending the event, but it turns out that there wasn't that much to worry about. After seeing photos of the event, I've spotted a Zenex player, an oGs player in their new uniform polo shirt, Jaedong representing Team 8, possibly Piano representing Airforce Ace, and Polt representing TSL. So everyone was there.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure every Korea-based team (from Proleague and GSTL) had at least one player and coach there.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Just looking at the above picture from pgr21.com you can already see (from left to right):

(T)SuperNoVa from (Wiki)Old Generations
(Z)NesTea from (Wiki)Incredible Miracle
(Z)July from (Wiki)Startale
(Z)Leenock from (Wiki)FXOpen
(T)Polt from (Wiki)Team SCV Life
(T)MarineKing from (Wiki)Prime
Young-Jay Paik, Blizzard Korea Managing Director
(Z)DongRaeGu from (Wiki)MVP (team)
Paul Sams, Blizzard COO
Ilja Rotelli, Blizzard Global Community & eSports Director
(T)Leta from (Wiki)CJ Entus
(T)Flash from (Wiki)KT Rolster
(P)Stork from (Wiki)Samsung KHAN
(P)Bisu from (Wiki)SK Telecom T1
(Z)ZerO from (Wiki)Woongjin Stars
(Z)Calm from (Wiki)STX SouL

On other pictures (e.g. at leveltory.com) you see (T)Jjakji from (Wiki)NSHoSeo and (T)BoxeR from (Wiki)SlayerS, as well as coaches (P)Choya from (Wiki)FXOpen, (Z)Gerrard from (Wiki)Prime, and the (Wiki)IM coach. I'm sure there are also pictures floating around showing representives from teams (Wiki)ZeNEX, (Wiki)Team 8, and (Wiki)Air Force ACE.

That picture is soooooo trippy to look at. The old guard on the right with the new guard on the left. My mind is still boggled.

There are photos of Jaedong several posts above on this page, representing Team 8.

You can see a Zenex player in the back of this photo:

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Possibly (T)PianO is in the background of this photo, as that does seem to be the Airforce Ace uniform.

[image loading]
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SlowBullets
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States839 Posts
May 04 2012 04:40 GMT
#980
That definitely resembles Piano. The dude on the right of him seems to be in the military..
1:1 go sc2 LAN? Oh wait...
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