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IEM Global Challenge Cologne: Preview
August 17th, 2011 01:36 GMT
Finally, a tournament that agrees with me! For competitive purposes, HuK's a Korean, not a North American. The Germans should know: it's not about where the raw material came from, it's about where it was turned into something of value (for the same reason, SeleCT's American.) So with that said, the latest installment of Korea versus the World will go down in Cologne, with four Koreans going up against twelve of the best the international community has to offer. As should be immediately noticeable, there are many Europeans who are on major upswings, looking to build upon their recent success. Nerchio, you did awesome to reach the IPL2 grand finals. Tarson, you made your homeland proud at the EU invitational. Stephano and Mana were monstrous at Assembly Summer. However, when it's Korea vs World, all of your individual stories must take a backseat to the greater glory of the the foreign scene. Taking into account my indisputable logic about HuK being a Korean, true foreigners have only won a single major event (hi Thorzain) when three or more Koreans competed. Fans can become numb to all sorts of pain over time, but we'll never become completely jaded. We're starving for a major victory here, guys. Good luck, and show them what you're really made of!
Group Stage PreviewGroup A: MC, dignitasKiLLeR, Beastyqt, KasThis is a great kick-off group. I'm extremely excited to  Min Chul back in the foreign scene again to make some noise and stomp some nerds. But strangely enough, there are doubts surrounding the strongest SC2 Protoss player of all time. He hasn't had very strong performances in the GSL the past few seasons, but I believe MC will come off strong as ever this time around. He'll bring horror to IEM and take first place in this group to start with. That leaves us with two Ukrainian Terrans and the replacement for IdrA,  KiLLeR. KiLLeR received IdrA's spot as he was one of the next people in line from the American qualifier. But I'm fairly sure that the top two in this group will be MC and  Kas. Kas is one of the most fearsome, solid Terrans to play this game. He plays more than anybody else according to his ladderstats and wins one weekly tournament after another. It's really a toss up between the last two players in the group, but I'm going to give the edge to KiLLeR who managed to qualify for BlizzCon through the Latin American qualifier one week ago. He showed some solid Zerg play and definitely has the upper hand in LAN experience. The last and fourth place will be  Beastyqt. A player who is known for long, intensive games in his appearances in various online tournaments. A player who definitely can make the upset if the wind is blowing his way. Group BreakdownMC < 2-0 > Beastyqt MC < 2-0 > KiLLeR MC < 2-0 > Kas MC will tear apart his group with 2-0 victories against everybody. Even though MC is a beast in his mirror, I think even MC would want to avoid PvP. It's a precarious matchup where you're constantly on your toes. The player who has the best chance of beating MC would be Kas, but Kas went 0-4 against MC in Copenhagen Games back at Easter. Beastyqt < 1-2 > KiLLeRBeastyqt < 1-2 > KasIf everybody plays to their best, Beastyqt will most likely not take a series at this event. But his best chance is definitely against a jetlagged KiLLeR. Kas < 2-0 > KiLLeR Kas is just fearsome in every state of the game. His strategies, his micro, his decisionmaking and his stamina. He's the prototype of a monster who'll have no problem playing back to back games. Kas will also be well-prepared practicing with his fellow countryman, DIMAGA. 1.  oGs-SK.MC (3-0) 2.  Empire.Kas (2-1) 3.  dignitas.KiLLeR (1-2) 4. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/flags2/rs.png) Empire.Beastyqt (0-3) Group B: SeleCT, Socke, TSL_Killer, DieStarThis is the group, I'm looking forward to the most. Two of the players I enjoy the most watching are  SeleCT and  Socke. Both players are super competitive and always bring some fun games to the table. SeleCT's TvP is something I have no words for. His multi-pronged attacks are just on a level where a lot of Protoss users can't compete. Also he won 10,000$ last weekend winning the Blizzard North American Invitational in front of stars like Sheth, HuK and IdrA. A big win like that will have brought back a lot of confidence to the handsome Korean player, SeleCT. My second pick in this group is actually going to be  Socke. One might be surprised by this pick, but Socke is a strong PvP player and has played a lot of important games in this matchup throughout his entire StarCraft 2 carreer. He's been a seriously rival to HuK in tournaments (though HuK's "rivalry" with Idra is more well known), where they're pretty much 50/50 in wins/losses. However, his PvP seems to have dropped off a little lately, so I feel that he's going to rely on his strong PvT.  Killer is one of the few top level Koreans that I haven't been too impressed with. More than once, I've seen him display mediocre strategy and gameplay. Coming into these foreign events and getting into a group with two of the absolute premiere players from the North American and European scenes; it's going to be one of his toughest events, because of what people expect from him as a Korean pro. The fourth player is ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/flags2/pl.png) DieStar. DieStar is one of the players who lies low in the scene, practices a lot and coming to events being pretty strong. Not knowing what level he's at and what he can do at the moment, I will seed him as the fourth player. Group BreakdownSocke < 0-2 > SeleCTSocke < 1-2 > KillerSocke < 2-1 > DieStar SeleCT seems to be very strong at the moment and will take down all the opponents in his group. Socke on the other hand will take the game against DieStar, but most likely lose in a close series against Killer because of his recent PvP experiences. DieStar < 2-1 > Killer DieStar < 0-2 > SeleCTDieStar being the underdog in this group, he will have to post some good results against Socke and Killer to have a chance of making it. I think his best chances are in a tight series against Killer. SeleCT < 2-0 > Killer I'm going to make a bold prediction and say that SeleCT won't even drop a map in the groupstage. But what's interesting here is that we end up in a 3-way tie between the last three players. Socke was also involved in a 3-way tie at IEM World Championship at CEBIT back in March. I think, he'll pull out ahead here and win the tiebreaker in the end. 1.  dignitas.SeleCT (3-0) 2.  aTn.Socke (1-2) 3.  TSL_Killer (1-2) 4. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/flags2/pl.png) Millenium.DieStar (1-2) Group C: HuK, Tarson, mOOnGLaDe, NerchioHere comes the boom, ready or not! No, but really.  HuK has been on great streak over the past few months, winning DreamHack and HomeStoryCup back to back on his last trip to Europe. Over the past few weeks HuK has also been on a big travel run to tournaments all over the world. First he went to MLG Anaheim and flew directly to Finland to play Assembly. After Assembly he went to Holland for a few days prior going to the Blizzard North American Invitational. Then he went back to Korea to play his Code S match and now he’ll play IEM GamesCom in Cologne, Germany. Even though HuK has been on a long and exhausting tour, I’m sure he’ll do great at this event and take first place in the group. About the second place in this group, I’m a little torn and let me tell you why. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/flags2/pl.png) Tarson and ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/flags2/pl.png) Nerchio are two incredible players. Both of them show tremendous strategies and consistency online, but have yet to really prove themselves on LAN events. Tarson has been playing a few LAN events and has been doing fairly good in some of them, his best performance at the last IEM European Championship in Kiev where he took fourth place. As far as Nerchio goes, despite having played very well to reach the grand finals of online-only IPL2, he only participated in one live international event recently; the European Blizzard Invitational. An invitational where he didn’t do that well. I think after some thorough review, I’d have to go with Tarson for the second place prediction in this group. He’s a strong Terran player and he has high expectations of himself, also he’s the most experienced LAN player of the two. That's often the deciding factor when players have to compete on huge international stages like IEM. My last and fourth place predicition in this group will be  mOOnGLaDe. One of the players who did exceedingly well in the latest season of Intel Extreme Masters and went to Korea shortly after. Though he had strong performances 4-6 months ago, we haven’t seen mOOnGLaDe represent himself and his country in a strong fashion since and I’m not sure where he’s at skillwise. Group BreakdownHuK < 2-0 > mOOnGLaDe HuK < 2-1 > Tarson HuK < 2-1 > Nerchio If HuK plays to his best, he will 2-0 everybody in the group, but he could be a little exhausted from all the travelling, needing a few games to get started. Also, PvT has some very unforgiving build order mind-games. We’ve seen the 2rax opening be extremely strong against 1gate expands, which is what HuK likes to do, and if you make a mistake in microing your units, you’re pretty much dead. Nerchio < 1-2 > TarsonNerchio < 2-0 > mOOnGLaDe Tarson will pull out victorious against Nerchio. I think with all the South Korean TvZ exposure from MLG, Terran is strategically ahead. mOOnGLaDe < 0-2 > TarsonI don’t think mOOnGLaDe will be able to take a map in this group. His opponents are simply too strong for a semi-inactive player to keep up with. 1.  EGHuK (3-0) 2. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/flags2/pl.png) Millenium.Tarson (2-1) 3. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/flags2/pl.png) Acer.Nerchio (1-2) 4.  mOOnGLaDe (0-3) Group D: PuMa, Stephano, MaNa, SaSeWow, just wow. I’d say this group is the toughest group at IEM GamesCom and besides first place, it’s totally open.  PuMa is an outstanding Terran user who earlier in his career was the practice partner for Flash in Brood War. He joined team Evil Genuises after an amazing run through the NASL Season 1 Open Qualifiers into winning the Grand Final championship. If I’d have to make a guess, I’d put  Stephano as second place. There’s a few reasons for me to do that. First of all I have to point out that Stephano is an unbelievably talented young Zerg, who’s taken lightly. In the RTS-genre you need to possess a lot of qualities to be successful; composure, stamina, strong mechanics and a great strategic mind. At Assembly he showed us that he has all these things. I expect nothing but greatness from him. Even though ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/flags2/pl.png) MaNa finished second at Assembly and took out HuK in the groupstage, I just have a special feeling about  SaSe. SaSe became known for his speed, knowledge and composure in the foreign WarCraft 3 scene. He has been playing tournaments all over the world, most recently in China, where he used to live with ToD back in the WarCraft era. In terms of international experience, he's unmatched here. And though he's not with a Korean team right now, he's been living in Korea and training with Korean players. Group BreakdownPuMa < 2-0 > SaSe PuMa < 2-1 > Stephano Puma < 2-1 > MaNa MaNa has shown some amazing PvT. If MaNa can keep up and survive the early stages of the games, I think he’s the best contender to win a series against PuMa. But Stephano will definitely also have a chance to pull off a serious upset here, but I think he'll only take a map. Stephano < 2-1 > SaSe Stephano < 2-0 > MaNa Besides Stephano’s strong play, I think the state of ZvP is favoring Zerg right now. It seems like their strategies and timings are just on top of everything Protoss users do at the moment. MaNa < 1-2 > SaSeMaNa took out HuK in an amazing fashion at Assembly, but I don’t think he’ll keep up with SaSe and his current mindset. SaSe is a very smart and cunning PvP player. Being specialized in one-base play, mapcontrol and unit control in small fights from his time as a pro-gamer on the WarCraft scene, SaSe will have the edge in this series. 1.  EGPuMa (3-0) 2.  Millenium.Stephano (2-1) 3.  SaSe (1-2) 4. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/flags2/pl.png) mouz.MaNa (0-3) Back to topOh, a BIG shout out to Poland! Most represented country in the tournament? You guys rock.
Player in-depth: Jang MinChul
By: WaxAngelThe Korean Wall. Many so-called "foreign" players are familiar with this concept. No matter how well they do among other international players, Koreans are an obstacle that simply cannot be overcome in competition. ![[imageloading]](/staff/Waxangel/Irongsl3.jpg) However, few of the foreigner players have felt this wall more painfully than Jang Min Chul. He has tasted defeat at the hands of Koreans four times in the last two months alone, being defeated by Losira at MLG Columbus, Bomber at DreamHack Summer, Huk at HSC3, and Puma at NASL. At the same time, Min Chul is considered to be one of the very top foreign players, winning tournaments such as the Copenhagen Games and DreamHack Invitational where there was no Korean opposition. "I think it really shows the gap between foreigners and Koreans. I've only lost to players like Naniwa and ThorZain in foreigner tournaments, but I've never been able to beat a Korean in the higher rounds. That's why I decided to take a big risk and go to Korea to train." For the last few months, MinChul has been training with the oGs-TL team in South Korea, hoping to learn the secrets that make Korean players seem so invincible. "I saw players like Jinro or the FXO team going to Korea and seeing big improvements in their skill level. Having lost to Koreans so many times, I thought this was the only way I could finally beat them." The Korean training seems to have paid off for MinChul as he has done very well in the GSL by foreigner standards, becoming a regular in Code-S competition. His adjustment to Korean life appears to be going smoothly as well. Always well-known in the foreign community for his charismatic speech, he has picked up quite a bit of the Korean language. " David some do it T>T" he commented confidently. However, he is still far away from reaching his goal of becoming as good as the top Koreans. Though he has competed in three GSLs in a row, he only has two RO32 finishes and a single RO8 finish to his name. "I'm so proud of my RO8 finish last GSL. I faced one of the best Korean players, HuK, in the RO16, and it felt incredible to beat him 2-0. I wanted to do well against HongUn, but even with an injured wrist he was just too good for me." The oGs-TL team definitely sees potential in their foreign mercenary MinChul, trusting him enough to send him out as their Ace in GSTL games. Unfortunately for MinChul, he loses more often than not. When asked about his decisions to field MinChul, oGs-TL head coach TheWind replied "MinChul is a good player with a lot of talent, and he has great live tournament experience abroad. I think the Korean stage just rattles him on a different level than the international stages, knowing that he's up against a different kind of player altogether. A lot of fans criticized us for not sending out HuK as our ace more often, but I think that we were right in giving MinChul a chance." MinChul now goes into IEM Cologne as part of Group A, which is being called the "Foreigner Group-of-Death," going against Idra, Kas, and Beastyqt. MinChul did not seem so worried about his opponents in the group stage. When asked about his goals for the tournament, he replied in his usual far-sighted manner. "Winning this tournament would be nice, even though it's a long shot. The real goal is to get more experience and become a better player. My eventual goal is to become as good as oGsMC one day, and win multiple GSL championships like him. This is just another step down that road."
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lol@mc article, typo in the Puma match predictions btw. should be Puma not Marineking T.T
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Hope Tarson holds against Nerchio.
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It's a joke
A bad one too.
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I like this write-up for 2 reasons.
1: It takes other extremely depressing news off the front page. 2: It's awesome.
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MC represents sk? or ogs?
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I can see MC looking confused when he reads this.
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Fun piece about MC, good job
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where's IdrA? did these group things change again?
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Photoshoped neck of MC AGAIN?!?!
MAdness this is
i agree with jarrydesque this cures depression
sick writeup as allways
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Idra dropped out of the tournament a couple of days ago.
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Gogo MC vs PuMa rematch
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Did Idra heard about MC being in his group and decided to bail last minute?
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I was so confused by the whole MC article haha.
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If huk truly is EG, he will post no results from now on
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Nice writeup.
God damn those groups are hard to predict. Every single player has a solid chance to get out. I'm more excited for the group stages than everything that comes after, haha.
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Sad to see a 0-6 prediction for mOOnGLaDe. Hope he pulls through and causes some upsets just like the last IEM!
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Going to be hard to watch mOOnGLaDe get demolished every game even though I'll still be cheering for him. He needs some divine intervention from the 'Holy Flash'.
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I'll be shocked if Sase beats Mana.
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Mana showed strong plays lately and I think he can advance!
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Great article!
HAHA The piece about MC I was so confused for a few lines and then it became just too funny.
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Pretty ridiculous that Mana could actually go 0-3 because of how hard his group is.
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I'm looking forward to this, I hope that the foreigners do well in this tournament. And by well I mean not let Koreans take top 3.
HuK for first
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Beastyqt is Serbian, not Ukrainian.
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On August 17 2011 10:57 Scrandom wrote: If huk truly is EG, he will post no results from now on
So what does it mean if he does post results?
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A little surprised to see Moonglade, I was under the impression that he had some private matters to take care of and would be stepping back from gaming.
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On August 17 2011 11:19 Angelbelow wrote: A little surprised to see Moonglade, I was under the impression that he had some private matters to take care of and would be stepping back from gaming. He pretty much has, but he still qualified.
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Mana going 0-3...yeah i doubt that
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whoever thinks moonglade will go 0-6 is a fool.
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Lol @ the indepth profile of jang min chul haha
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every sentence i read of that MC article, i would look back up to the picture and the name minchul, so confused, then i read its a joke, -______________-
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WaxAngel, you're no HotBid. Give it up.
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That isnt trolling that is just being obnoxiousness. Trolling has to be clever in some way. That is like thinking you are trolling when you tell someone the melting point of aluminum is different than it actually is. Lying about non well know facts is just stupid.
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stephano is such a complete beast, i really hope he will again show it to everyone and make himself a name in the scene. he is surely THE player to recruit and send to korea, if he is willing to go, and i really mean it. other than that, i disagree with the nerchio vs tarson match-up, nerchio is "better" than tarson (they always meet and nerchio wins a lot of these), a normal result would be nerchio winning that's for sure, i hope he overcomes his nerves.
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Beastyqt is Serbian, terrible country knowlege of the OP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111
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On August 17 2011 11:47 Apollo_Shards wrote: That isnt trolling that is just being obnoxiousness. Trolling has to be clever in some way. That is like thinking you are trolling when you tell someone the melting point of aluminum is different than it actually is. Lying about non well know facts is just stupid.
What "non well known facts" did he lie about? All of the comments about MC's recent performances were accurate.
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Lol, the MC article is awesome, though it was BoxeR that said David some do it T>T (couldn't tell if that was some sort of bizarre meta-trolling that I hadn't seen before or not).
Looking forward to this.
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You severely underestimate mOOnGLaDe. mOOnGLaDe will crush Tarson and more than likely advance from the group,
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Too many killers, I was confused how he got into 2 groups there for a moment.
On August 17 2011 11:57 RPR_Tempest wrote: You severely underestimate mOOnGLaDe. mOOnGLaDe will crush Tarson and more than likely advance from the group, I always think he doesn't have a chance but then he impresses with great play, if he brings his A game you may be right.
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lmao the last part about mc made me legit lol
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Wow awesome! Go HuK! Doesnt matter you are under EG, you are still HuK!
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I actually scrolled up to see if hot bid wrote that article.
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I wouldn't count Glade out so easily, he won his qualifier for the WCG in Brisbane, he qualified for NASL seasons 1 & 2 and definently has more lan experience than Nerchio as well as doing well in many other local SEA tournaments most of which are getting invaded by Koreans these days.
I think he has what it takes to get 2nd in his group, though I am just a touch biased. Aussies FIGHTING!!!
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Uh... just didn't like this piece. There were more typos and errors in the main article than there should have been (should really be 0 mistakes but that's not usually the case), and the MC article was pretty dull.
Can't say much other than gl HuK, but I hope MC wins this one.
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Looking forward to watch the games live at the GamesCom in Cologne from today on. Especially Group D on Thursday looks awesome, because I wouldn't be so sure that Stephano gets 2nd. Plus I also want to see how TSL Killer performs because I am tempted to agree with the OP that he might not make it out of his group.
If any nearby foreigners decide to drop by spontaneously, the games are played in Hall 9.
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Never have i been more confused than the fleeting moments i read that section on MC.
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Personally, I thought the MC article was hilarious.
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Hoping to see some protoss taking thisone.
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expecting big things from nericho and kas
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lol, was so confused w/ that mc article.
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BeastyQt is from Serbia not Ukraine.
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Looking for Puma to play and perform. Haven't seen much from him. Gluck to Huk with his new team, Nerchio to be awesome, and Kas to show us a good performance.
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Nerchio is very underestimated. Hes FREKIN CRAZY IN ZVZ, and he has top 3 foreign zvt, probably along with ret and morrow maybe. He will crush tarson... but his zvp is kinda bad.
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Really nice preview , hope its going to be an amazing event
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Lol when did HuK become a korean?
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Player indepth had me confused for a bit XD
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op may underestimate Sangho a lil bit. That reminds me of the MLG prediction lol
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I'm pretty sure MC IS the korean wall. The guy is rampaging in foreigner tournaments.
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Forever Fighting Moonglade <3<3<3
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IdrA def bailed to avoid another taunt by MC and an inevitable MC celebration
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Groups played out favorable for the foreigners this time around. Both Korean protoss have 2 terrans in their group and can be 1-1-1'd out. Sangho is particularly vulnerable because his PvP isn't so good either and will have to play Socke. Puma will be the hardest one to eliminate but Stephano, Mana and Sase are all vT beasts.
Oh and nice MC article :D
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Beastyqt is actually from Serbia not from the Ukraine, other than that great article
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Seems to me the writer is totally underestimating the EU players. This isnt MLG tbh
Group A
BeastyQT is an absolut monster if MC isnt carefull I could see BeastyQT take the win. Kas is also looking for revenge after copenhagen cup where he was so nervous and he played really terrible im preatty sure that wont happend again. I woulnt be to supriced if MC cant make it out his group
Group B
After watching killer horrble PvP yesteday where he clearly showed he is weak in the micro side I dont expect him to win vs Socke. And im sure Select will slaughter him. + Diastar is actually very good he got a great TvT and TvP
Group C
Atm I rank huk at the best western player however he has been traveling so much so he gonna lack practise and he is up against the monster that is Nerchio and Tarson that got a strong TvP.
Im sorry but I think Nerchio and Tarson gonna take the 2 spots
Group D
Well Puma looked like a god in NASL and i would say in a heartbeat he gonna win all 3 of his matches but then i look at his opponents. Stephano is another EU monster zerg and he is a ZvT specialist so I think puma might lose to stephano. MaNa he is on beastmode atm he seems to have fixed his PvZ it was so horrible before he began to practise with Stephano. MaNa PvT is one of a kind in EU atm so if any protoss player can beat puma its MaNa. Remember MaNa took out NaDa in assemply a few weeks ago.
But yea its tough to predict but I dont think the koreans gonna dominate this tournament not vs these players.
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@op beastyqt is serbian.
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Go mC i know he can do this
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this will be the first tournament where i wouldnt cheer for huk
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Come on MC, you nerd baller  Hope moonglade makes a good showing, aussie rep!
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On August 17 2011 15:04 Nerdslayer wrote: Seems to me the writer is totally underestimating the EU players. This isnt MLG tbh
Group A
BeastyQT is an absolut monster if MC isnt carefull I could see BeastyQT take the win. Kas is also looking for revenge after copenhagen cup where he was so nervous and he played really terrible im preatty sure that wont happend again. I woulnt be to supriced if MC cant make it out his group
Group B
After watching killer horrble PvP yesteday where he clearly showed he is weak in the micro side I dont expect him to win vs Socke. And im sure Select will slaughter him. + Diastar is actually very good he got a great TvT and TvP
Group C
Atm I rank huk at the best western player however he has been traveling so much so he gonna lack practise and he is up against the monster that is Nerchio and Tarson that got a strong TvP.
Im sorry but I think Nerchio and Tarson gonna take the 2 spots
Group D
Well Puma looked like a god in NASL and i would say in a heartbeat he gonna win all 3 of his matches but then i look at his opponents. Stephano is another EU monster zerg and he is a ZvT specialist so I think puma might lose to stephano. MaNa he is on beastmode atm he seems to have fixed his PvZ it was so horrible before he began to practise with Stephano. MaNa PvT is one of a kind in EU atm so if any protoss player can beat puma its MaNa. Remember MaNa took out NaDa in assemply a few weeks ago.
But yea its tough to predict but I dont think the koreans gonna dominate this tournament not vs these players.
No way...even in a slump MC heavily outclasses his group. Only possible way he wouldn't make it out is terrible maps and 1/1/1 abuse, I'm not sure of the map pool.
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Two players named killer in the same tournament. How confusing. They should refer to TSL Killer as Sang Ho.
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On August 17 2011 12:38 koolaid1990 wrote: Nerchio is very underestimated. Hes FREKIN CRAZY IN ZVZ, and he has top 3 foreign zvt, probably along with ret and morrow maybe. He will crush tarson... but his zvp is kinda bad.
Yes, morrow is a zvz monster, thats why he plays T against Zerg, because otherwise it wouldn't be fair...
I hope that Stephano can advance to the finals, would love to see him winning this, but its gonna get hard.
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I love the troll ending =]
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On August 17 2011 15:40 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 12:38 koolaid1990 wrote: Nerchio is very underestimated. Hes FREKIN CRAZY IN ZVZ, and he has top 3 foreign zvt, probably along with ret and morrow maybe. He will crush tarson... but his zvp is kinda bad. Yes, morrow is a zvz monster, thats why he plays T against Zerg, because otherwise it wouldn't be fair...
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Beastyqt IS NOT Ukrainian , he's Serbian! :D come on
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On August 17 2011 14:11 Dub_doubt wrote: IdrA def bailed to avoid another taunt by MC and an inevitable MC celebration
why exactly isn´t Idra participating?
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the MC-Artictle was hillarious!:D
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A PuMa vs MC rematch would be wicked, Stephano and Nerchio have a lot of potential in this tourney, Stephano is solid and Nerchio just has to get over his jitters. Hopefully there's some very good matches even in the less competitive groups!
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haaahaa lol that one really cheers me up after yesterdays news  gj! now lets go on to listen SotG - later
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On August 17 2011 11:48 TheMisT wrote: Beastyqt is Serbian, terrible country knowlege of the OP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111
+1
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Nerchio 3rd of his pool ? seriously ?... Ok he doesn't have a lot of IRL experience but still... 3rd... i would expect at least 2nd from him.
about Stephano, he's also a mighty player, and i really hope he'll at leaste get 2nd but Mana is in a uber good shape these days and Sase, well he's really good as well... Will be difficult for Stephano imo
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On August 17 2011 15:40 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 12:38 koolaid1990 wrote: Nerchio is very underestimated. Hes FREKIN CRAZY IN ZVZ, and he has top 3 foreign zvt, probably along with ret and morrow maybe. He will crush tarson... but his zvp is kinda bad. Yes, morrow is a zvz monster, thats why he plays T against Zerg, because otherwise it wouldn't be fair... I hope that Stephano can advance to the finals, would love to see him winning this, but its gonna get hard.
plz read one more time
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nerchio will win huk
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Awful picks imo, could actually get someone with actual insight on the EU players to write these things.
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lol at the predictions: dKiller > Beastyqt (Beastyqt is actually good vs top EU zergs while dKiller rarely beats top players) Select > Killer (Killer is very good at PvT, recently winning vs Ganzi/Ryung/Polt) Tarson > Nerchio (Tarson is 2-7 vs Nerchio in the last 3 months)
Also, I won't be surprised if Puma doesn't make it out of his group. Stephano, Mana and SaSe are all very good vs Terran.
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my groups are: A 1. Empire.Kas (3-0) 2. oGs-SK.MC (2-1) 3. Empire.Beastyqt (1-2) 4. dignitas.KiLLeR (0-3)
B 1. TSL_Killer (3-0) 2. aTn.Socke (2-1) 3. Millenium.DieStar (1-2) 4. dignitas.SeleCT (0-3)
C 1. Acer.Nerchio (3-0) 2. EGHuK (2-1) 3. Millenium.Tarson (1-2) 4. mOOnGLaDe (0-3)
D Group of Death so... 1. mouz.MaNa (2-1) 2. Millenium.Stephano (2-1) 3. SaSe (1-2) 4. EGPuMa (1-2)
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The MC article got me confused... appearently I missed the joke
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It's so funny that guy who wrote this preview doesn't know Beastyqt. He sure doesn't have that much offline experience, but you'll see.
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... and beasty wont go dont 0-3... no way
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On August 17 2011 17:17 whereismymind wrote: It's so funny that guy who wrote this preview doesn't know Beastyqt. He sure doesn't have that much offline experience, but you'll see.
Yea really surprised by the predictions. Mana doing badly and Nerchio? Beastyqt unable to take a series? Just seem odd. Also beastyqt being from Ukraine was funny. Killer not going to do well?
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sorry but these guys who wrote it know shit about sc2
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That leaves us with two Ukrainian Terrans and the replacement for IdrA, KiLLeR
Cmon they dont even have same flag, Beasty is from Serbia, OP could have seen that if he just clicked on his name, please fix that in OP...
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lol at this article
i mean its a good read, but those predictions...
lmfao
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On August 17 2011 11:57 rastaban wrote:Too many killers, I was confused how he got into 2 groups there for a moment. Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 11:57 RPR_Tempest wrote: You severely underestimate mOOnGLaDe. mOOnGLaDe will crush Tarson and more than likely advance from the group, I always think he doesn't have a chance but then he impresses with great play, if he brings his A game you may be right.
We never know. GLaDe's ZvP makes me shed quite a few tears, but his ZvT is pretty damn good. He isn't just there to fill in the numbers.
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I had to do a double take on the last article once I read the first quote.
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This is VERY biased towards MC, but whatever, im used to that.
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Edit: Realized it was Mr.Bitter.
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Really pumped for this event; particularly beastyqt and mOOnGlaDe!
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WaxAngel's article is full of win :D
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Predictions are not objective. There is no correct answer. Why are so many getting pushed out of shape because someone doesn't hold the same opinion of their favored players?
Also - gogo SelecT.
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Mana underrated again :S And Kas will smack MCs butt
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It is a joke that 57% of the TL community thinks group 1 is the toughest, it just goes to show how little people know of the players and the game. Even if Idra was in the group it isn't the toughest.
MC and Puma are pretty much on the same level. However, I'd say Stephano, SaSe and MaNa are all on the level of Idra or slightly higher while Beasty and Kas are below that.
Group one and two are by far the easiest and group 4 the hardest by a long shot. When you have MaNa as the "worst" player, you know the group is extremely tough as he is one of the top foreign players.
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Beastyqt is serbian, not ukrainian.
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Who was so stupid not to invite whitera ? WhiteRa makes Koreans want to be Ukraine. Special taktiks all the way
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When I saw "Global Challenge Cologne" with those particular visuals (specific earth view, font, ESL logo) on the frontpage, for a moment I thought, "What? Are they advertising cosmetics now?"
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On August 17 2011 20:59 Hilo wrote:Who was so stupid not to invite whitera ?  WhiteRa makes Koreans want to be Ukraine.  Special taktiks all the way
Its not an invite-event afaik. If he didnt made his way through the qualifier he will not play.
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why do these threads never list the date/time of the events?
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probably all polish players will be in play-offs
wish them luck
go Nerchio Tarson Mana DieStar(XD)
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MinChul will be as good as oGsMC one day! you guys wait and see.
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Finland43 Posts
I love the fact people dont realize that Naama won the first dreamhack winter which had koreans like oGsTOP...
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Germany2762 Posts
i hope tarson will put up a good fight
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mana 0-3 is a hard predict ^^ after he rape nada 2-0 and rape nearly everyone on assembly you vote him 0-3 ? thats ... no words ^^
damn mc nearly lost to killer ^^
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;_; @ dKiller. I need to see the stronger zergs, MUST. RIP. PLAYSTYLE.
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Lol i was getting trolled so hard by the MC article until i read the bottom. T.T
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I don't know why you underestimate Mana >.< I hope he does well, would not be surprised if he didn't tho. Mana has beaten Nada, Huk and Morrow recently but Puma seems better than Nada, Sase has been in Korea for a week so he is definitely better than Huk (who is that scrub? never been to Korea iirc) and Stephano is a ZvP specialist unlike Morrow. ROFL
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So far so good with these predictions!
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Idd Mana loosing all his matches is harsh prediction... but look at this group. In my opinion it's the hardest group, and everyone can be 1st or 4th.
Good day or bad day? I'd like to see Mana and Stephano in the bracket!
Anyway, great read as usual!
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On August 17 2011 10:55 Brotatolol wrote:Gogo MC vs PuMa rematch 
Got my towel ready
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mana 0:3 is probably the worst prediction ever. this guy is on fire.
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On August 18 2011 01:30 Latty wrote: mana 0:3 is probably the worst prediction ever. this guy is on fire. We'll probably look stupid tomorrow when it turns out it was right T_T
I'm glad for Socke tho! ^-^
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Great indepth on the brackets + Show Spoiler +and so far Im loling a bit with recent results vs some of the less than friendly posts regarding the so far exceptional predictions The MC article made me amused. Huk MC final make it happen fate!
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MC vs Puma finals, called it :D
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On August 18 2011 03:15 Synwave wrote:Great indepth on the brackets + Show Spoiler +and so far Im loling a bit with recent results vs some of the less than friendly posts regarding the so far exceptional predictions The MC article made me amused. Huk MC final make it happen fate!
If there's a common thread in many TL predictions, it's how often people actually underrate Koreans in international competitions. A Korean can go 100-1 and people will latch on the 1 as proof that Koreans aren't ahead. Just ridiculous how often people predict them to have a losing record then rage at the results. It's pretty obvious before the matches that MC is not going 0-3.
And less than friendly is a pretty good description at some of the comments about the predictions.
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Reading these comments are a fucking joke "I wouldn't be surprised if puma didn't make it out, his group is stacked" "Personally I think kas can give MC a run for his money, i think he'll finish first." What the FUCK!? Do you guys realize how much MC and puma outclass their oponents?! Fucking biased european trash (not insulting all europeans, just the retarded biased ones).
User was temp banned for this post.
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First time being able to say, it looks like EG has a great shot at a 1 2 finish.
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MC article made me lol. Wonder if he'll get the joke.
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How is oGs MC a foreign mercenary? Isn't he Korean?
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On August 18 2011 08:04 Lewan72 wrote: Reading these comments are a fucking joke "I wouldn't be surprised if puma didn't make it out, his group is stacked" "Personally I think kas can give MC a run for his money, i think he'll finish first." What the FUCK!? Do you guys realize how much MC and puma outclass their oponents?! Fucking biased european trash (not insulting all europeans, just the retarded biased ones).
Tell that to Killer/Sangho or Nada/Huk if you remember Assembly... :p
Yes, Koreans are favorites. No they are not unbeatable.
You can look at GSTL results where foreigners can win (for some reason they can't in Code A :D). You can look at Huk's very recent results...
They are favorites, but the margin is not as big as some guys make it out to be. As soon as a Korean is not bringing his A game, he falls.
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sc2sea.mOOnGLaDe fighting!
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Stephano < 2-0 > MaNa
Ojojoj Stephano <1-2 > MaNa Good Job
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as i said before ^^mana easy out of his group ^^ this expections was strange after watched assembly
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Ohh nice HuK can flew home to Korea :D Cya!
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Tarson was so Gosu in that game against Huk <3
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Wow Huk is out of the tournament. May be it is not such a good idea to play in one week on 3 continents (Blizzard Invitational/GSL/IEM). May be the players needs a couple of days to play their a-game.
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Oh boy, Huk took his new team thing to heart. It still sucked to see him write out EG in pylons, but he has definitely been playing like a real member of EG recently, so there you have it.
Please just don't start complaining about balance!
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Yeah eventually he wasn´t focused 100% because of the team change but he just arrived in Germany (from Korea) and I think he was too tired. He had his good moments but he was too sloppy. Nevertheless the other players in his group are also very good.
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"Fucking biased european trash (not insulting all europeans, just the retarded biased ones)."
You are calling people trash because of thinking that kas can give a mc a round for his money? You really gotta work on your attitude man. And btw, Mana is proving just atm that puma is not outclassing everyone in his group. Actually it looks like mana is easily 2-0ing puma...
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WOW MaNa is such a beast. 2:0 vs Puma. Verry good and solid play.
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Well, the Mana prediction was kinda right. You just have to switch both numbers =)
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the 0-3 predict of mana went to be a 3-0 mana after assembly i knew cant be stop by anyone expect highest zergs
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On August 17 2011 15:04 Nerdslayer wrote: Seems to me the writer is totally underestimating the EU players. This isnt MLG tbh
Group A
BeastyQT is an absolut monster if MC isnt carefull I could see BeastyQT take the win. Kas is also looking for revenge after copenhagen cup where he was so nervous and he played really terrible im preatty sure that wont happend again. I woulnt be to supriced if MC cant make it out his group
Group B
After watching killer horrble PvP yesteday where he clearly showed he is weak in the micro side I dont expect him to win vs Socke. And im sure Select will slaughter him. + Diastar is actually very good he got a great TvT and TvP
Group C
Atm I rank huk at the best western player however he has been traveling so much so he gonna lack practise and he is up against the monster that is Nerchio and Tarson that got a strong TvP.
Im sorry but I think Nerchio and Tarson gonna take the 2 spots
Group D
Well Puma looked like a god in NASL and i would say in a heartbeat he gonna win all 3 of his matches but then i look at his opponents. Stephano is another EU monster zerg and he is a ZvT specialist so I think puma might lose to stephano. MaNa he is on beastmode atm he seems to have fixed his PvZ it was so horrible before he began to practise with Stephano. MaNa PvT is one of a kind in EU atm so if any protoss player can beat puma its MaNa. Remember MaNa took out NaDa in assemply a few weeks ago.
But yea its tough to predict but I dont think the koreans gonna dominate this tournament not vs these players.
I just wanna quote myself becuase im so proud of my predictions only thing i fecked up was i toally underestimated MC´s slump.
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Huk got finally 0-3 at this tournament. Thats the biggest surprise of the group stage.
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mana roflstomping the opposition ! \o/ no idea how the OP could say that mana would go 0-3, since assembly hes stomping everyone and everything.
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On August 18 2011 08:04 Lewan72 wrote: Reading these comments are a fucking joke "I wouldn't be surprised if puma didn't make it out, his group is stacked" "Personally I think kas can give MC a run for his money, i think he'll finish first." What the FUCK!? Do you guys realize how much MC and puma outclass their oponents?! Fucking biased european trash (not insulting all europeans, just the retarded biased ones).
Really? Just because you don't know people's potentials you decide to call others trash that go against your notion of "zomg Koreans so amazing so above anyone will crush everything". Pathetic.
+ Show Spoiler +Results speak otherwise. Puma losing 2-0 to mana and on the verge of going out vs Stephano. Really shouldn't call people trash just because they have a different opinion to you
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On August 17 2011 11:04 Dox wrote: Sad to see a 0-6 prediction for mOOnGLaDe. Hope he pulls through and causes some upsets just like the last IEM! Just quoting myself now that the group stages are over. 
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This article confuzzled me
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Hope nobody put any money on these predictions... LOL
Seriously though, speculation and predictions are pretty futile in SC2. On any given day most top players can take maps off most other top players as shown by yesterdays results. Very volatile.
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Yeah, well, foreigners like MC will never be able to quite reach the skill levels of real Korean pros like HuK.
That said, I think Mana can take 2nd in his group, he has such brilliant PvP openings and styles, and he has become much more solid in the last couple of months. Although SaSe's Korean training will certainly be in the Swede's favour.
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On August 19 2011 00:49 krisbin wrote: Wow Huk is out of the tournament. May be it is not such a good idea to play in one week on 3 continents (Blizzard Invitational/GSL/IEM). May be the players needs a couple of best to play their a-game.
Why do you think MC couldn't place first in all the GSLs? He was too busy killing kids at foreign events to focus on Korean opponents. 
PS. MaNa is oh so good
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Wow, that MC bit had me so confused until the end. You got me hard on this one Waxangel ><. And yea, MaNa showing promise :O
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On August 19 2011 01:34 krisbin wrote: Huk got finally 0-3 at this tournament. Thats the biggest surprise of the group stage.
totally agree
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nvm, those are predictions, just realized.
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lol mana and socke both got destroyed, nasl rematch between MC and puma woot maybe mc wont cheese on the ace match this time.
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When does Puma vs MC start? EU Time?
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Why isnt the stream up?I thought the finals would start by now
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Puma beats MC again? Good lord this guy must have gosu TvP
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