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Osaka25832 Posts
Boxer vs Yellow
Game 1, Game 2, Game 3.
Maps dont matter, starting positions dont matter. It was all the same.
Boxer rax -> depot, 6 scv + 2 marine rush, Yellow 12 hatch evertime, gg x3. In only one game did Yellow even get a unit other than a drone, overlord, or zergling.
The rush by Boxer was perfect. His timing was such that unless Yellow went pool first, there was no way he could stop this rush. Boxer said after he wanted to play an low economy control based game, but instead he just won.
I have my own opinion on this strategy, but last time I posted it it was rebuffed vigorously. :p However, add your two cents in the tourny section where there are three threads going at it.
Nov 19th: Yellow vs Reach for third place.
Nov 20th: Boxer vs Iloveoov in the finals.
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47975 Posts
nice report mani!!! 
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Such a wasted oppurtunity for Yellow. 
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man i would have liked to see these games
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cant belive that yellow didnt changed build in the 3 game ? or did he thought that boxer would change cuz that he thought that yellow would change ?
Confused...
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Germany16581 Posts
awesome, detailed reports as always, mani....., oh no....., wait  ^^
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KTFT might regret paying big money for OSL. Next step is kicking out their progame team. lol
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How lame. Boxer is going to be punished by OOV.
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read uhjoo comment about this game ... I completely agree with him, yellow had his reasons
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Bye Reach, he would follow Silent_Control T_T
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On November 12 2004 15:14 Ponny wrote:
cant belive that yellow didnt changed build in the 3 game ? or did he thought that boxer would change cuz that he thought that yellow would change ?
Confused...
yellow was gamble. If yellow could pull out boxer's rush, he'll be on big advantage.
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rofl
lim still has the art 
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All three games... quite lame. Thought Boxer had more class than that. -_-;;
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Who else has the massive gonads to do this?
Greatest.
Player.
Ever.
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Wow, I'm super pissed that the games were crap, and that yellow lost, to pure gay-up-the-ass-ness, but I'm still amazed, lol. If anything I respect boxer even more, lol.
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i woke up this morning, expecting awesome games, then i see this =[
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On November 12 2004 16:08 CommanderVodka wrote:
i woke up this morning, expecting awesome games, then i see this =[
the games were awesome. to me micro and timing is much more interesting to see than standard play gogo marinemedictankvessel.
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well, you need mad skillz to pull thta off 3 times in a row.
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Baltimore, USA21711 Posts
Haha, best battle report ever.
I stayed up all night to read about this (many props to waxangel ^^) and this is what we get.
Sure, you gotta respect the skill it took to do that, but I mean, it's just so disappointing, I think everyone was expecting exciting, epic games... and instead we get pure rape.
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Short'n'sweet.
Did you watch the games live? O_o
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i say who cares what happans, a win is a win!. its sad how people diss boxer because of 3 cheese rushes!, but when you think about it, whos " sadder " Boxer for doing it? or Yellow because he lost to it 3 times? hohoho. Cheap or not cheap, he won so get over it : )
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boxer is great
i would've thought that yellow would atleast switch builds the 3rd time T_T
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haha don't be jealous of boxer
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I really think it should have been a more detailed battle report. It must have been small differences in bo(like one scv extra somewhere). Or perhaps which way he scouted. Where he put the bunker and why that was the perfect spot etc etc.
Ps. It was not my intention to sound rude or offensive. I just find a bit odd that these games which clearly was very entertaining get one line and some pathetic standard game that ends in marine/medic/tank/vessel after 15 minutes gets 30 lines.
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Baltimore, USA21711 Posts
On November 12 2004 16:54 DevilZbOy wrote:
i say who cares what happans, a win is a win!. its sad how people diss boxer because of 3 cheese rushes!, but when you think about it, whos " sadder " Boxer for doing it? or Yellow because he lost to it 3 times? hohoho. Cheap or not cheap, he won so get over it : )
Of course... Boxer supporters will say that Boxer played perfectly, and that Yellow should've adjusted... Boxer haters will say it was cheap and cheesy...
I'm just let down that it was over so quickly. I wanted to see some GG's, even though I still predicted Boxer winning in the end. How often these days do you not only get two art players together, but the top two art players of all time?
Now the finals will be art vs macro TvT~
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i dont see why this is considered cheap or cheesy, his build was simply designed to punish fast expo and guess what? yellow fast expo.
its the same principle as making zels to counter tanks or goons to counter vultures
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DJ_Heather will you marrry me? 
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Osaka25832 Posts
I stayed up until 4 am to watch these games live. From that perspective, I wished that they had been better games >.<
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in depth coverage at its best
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manifesto is a zerg player, if i were him i'd be fucking pissed as well
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might not matter but call me curious
what map was it?
same for all three?
forgive if this is posted already somewhere else
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In second game, yellow used 10 hatch build.
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i just got all three files
but i don't know where i up load these files
anyone can tell me where do i up load these
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mrmin123
Korea (South)2966 Posts
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I recall waitiing last week for nice, juicy reports of this megaton clash, and lo and behold, we find that Boxer bunkered Yellow three times in a row. Fantastic.
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damn, i wanted yellow to win --;
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Korea (South)1740 Posts
actually, i think game 1 was pretty different than games 2 and 3 (both of which ended with yellow's inability to beat the scv/rine rush). so i'll just recap quickly what i remember.
yellow actually had a shot in game 1 on pellennor ever, although he clearly was at a disadvantage from boxer's devastating scv rush. if i recall the game correctly, when boxer came in with the rush, yellow cancelled his hatch right before it finished (and boxer correspondingly also cancelled his bunker almost simultaneously). boxer then went a fast acad build and retreated back home and started massing m and m. yellow went *3 hatch*, taking his gas expo. this is where i think yellow could have just decided to get faster lurker out of 2 hatch, so he could actually play more aggressively. i suppose this decision of yellow was partly because of the map imbalance (as it's too easy for zerg to get pinned in if terran takes that cliff area where the gas expo is). but in any case, as yellow went a very hungry 3 hatch, boxer massed m and m outside yellow's base and teched to tank/vessel. yellow went lurker and boxer very importantly made a wraith from his port which really was a thorn in yellow's side-- not only hunting overlords, but forcing yellow to cancel a morphing lurker as well and demanding more micro from yellow. In the meantime boxer set up shop outside yellow's choke with m&m/tank, slowly building turret/bunker to solidify that position. yellow could have tried to research drop but instead chose to try to break the gauntlet with link/lurk from three different directions. but ~ 6 lurk/20 ling vs. 2 well-placed bunkers, turrets, 3~4 tanks, and at least 1 control group of m&m meant that he failed to break boxer's hold on his choke, and yellow's subsequent attempt around 45 seconds later with around 12 lings and 5 lurks was also a failure. that's when yellow gg'ed.
i think yellow had a few opportunities to win or at least extend the game further-- i personally think it was a big mistake to take his gas natural before getting lurkers, and also to try to force his way out of his base through a pretty much invincible tank/bunker/turret/m&m line instead of researching ovie drop/speed. but of course, it's easier said than done and hindsight is 20/20 ;P
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On November 12 2004 22:18 uhjoo wrote:
actually, i think game 1 was pretty different than games 2 and 3 (both of which ended with yellow's inability to beat the scv/rine rush). so i'll just recap quickly what i remember.
yellow actually had a shot in game 1 on pellennor ever, although he clearly was at a disadvantage from boxer's devastating scv rush. if i recall the game correctly, when boxer came in with the rush, yellow cancelled his hatch right before it finished (and boxer correspondingly also cancelled his bunker almost simultaneously). boxer then went a fast acad build and retreated back home and started massing m and m. yellow went *3 hatch*, taking his gas expo. this is where i think yellow could have just decided to get faster lurker out of 2 hatch, so he could actually play more aggressively. i suppose this decision of yellow was partly because of the map imbalance (as it's too easy for zerg to get pinned in if terran takes that cliff area where the gas expo is). but in any case, as yellow went a very hungry 3 hatch, boxer massed m and m outside yellow's base and teched to tank/vessel. yellow went lurker and boxer very importantly made a wraith from his port which really was a thorn in yellow's side-- not only hunting overlords, but forcing yellow to cancel a morphing lurker as well and demanding more micro from yellow. In the meantime boxer set up shop outside yellow's choke with m&m/tank, slowly building turret/bunker to solidify that position. yellow could have tried to research drop but instead chose to try to break the gauntlet with link/lurk from three different directions. but ~ 6 lurk/20 ling vs. 2 well-placed bunkers, turrets, 3~4 tanks, and at least 1 control group of m&m meant that he failed to break boxer's hold on his choke, and yellow's subsequent attempt around 45 seconds later with around 12 lings and 5 lurks was also a failure. that's when yellow gg'ed.
i think yellow had a few opportunities to win or at least extend the game further-- i personally think it was a big mistake to take his gas natural before getting lurkers, and also to try to force his way out of his base through a pretty much invincible tank/bunker/turret/m&m line instead of researching ovie drop/speed. but of course, it's easier said than done and hindsight is 20/20 ;P
thanks for the good report.
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i think that boxer is dishonor himself, and yellow also should be ashamed by not handling it after 3 times///... i just think it was stupid because any body could have done that i dont think just boxer, just like how newbs can sometimes catch people who are better offguard when you dont expect an all out ling rush or you dont expect that you need to build a terran wall.. just as most pros dont build walls, a newb might be able to catch them offguard with such cheapness,.... godammit im so pissed both people i wanted to win lost from dumbness Reach playing wierd, and Yellow getting cheased!
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On November 12 2004 22:41 sacrificetheory wrote:
i think that boxer is dishonor himself, and yellow also should be ashamed by not handling it after 3 times///... i just think it was stupid because any body could have done that i dont think just boxer, just like how newbs can sometimes catch people who are better offguard when you dont expect an all out ling rush or you dont expect that you need to build a terran wall.. just as most pros dont build walls, a newb might be able to catch them offguard with such cheapness,.... godammit im so pissed both people i wanted to win lost from dumbness Reach playing wierd, and Yellow getting cheased!
Our pros are built to handle almost anything, be it rushes or surprises. But from what Im reading, Boxers cheese works because the timing is so critical, and he nails that. But Yellow had to be stubborn and went with the same build.
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i hope oov crushes boxer even tho i hate oov and love boxer.
yellow is probably getting pretty fucked up right about now.
jagermeister or a banana cognac orsomething.
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"boxers mom has got it goin on"
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no way he did that
no way he does it again
no way he does it again
fuk
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What is that saying...
something like:
fool me once and ...
fool me twice and ...
fool me thrice and....
I just can't wait for Oov to pull out his "secret strat" against BoxeR. BoxeR will have to win his TvT games very fast b/c he can't keep up with Oov's macro.
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omg...stop complaining. the guy won 3:0 vs his archrival.
also.... who else would ever do the same strat 3 times in an osl semi? BOXER BABY!
die oov.
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boxer's rush is perfect, like his micro control
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argh i hate bunker rush but boxer has shown once again that he's extremly unordinary player, respect for him. I'm dissapointed though, that we could have had a superb spectacle and instead the were only 3 crappy games :/
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zerg is getting too good, even boxer has to rush to beat the zerg players -.-a
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if u let zerg fast expand on a gas map...he will take another gas expansion later on...make swarm rush with lurker and then make ultras meanwhile...i think even boxer realise the most effective strategy against zerg is rush..hoho
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Meh, I don't think that zergy is getting too good, it's just that boxer knew that if he could surprise yellow with an offbeat strategy then that's a better idea than playing into what yellow has prepared for. The thing is that each player must have had strats prepared for the other, so boxer just figured 'HAHA, i'll get my prep in first!' This just shows the good logical thinking of Boxer & his awersome ability in micro. But i think that yellow's stubborness not to adjust to Boxer's strats is shocking. I remember yellow as the most flexible player ever, i find it hard to beleive that he got creamed x3 in a row by the same strat, he must have been so demorilised by the 1st game...
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For me this strategy was awensome.
Boxer use his mind, he knows that yellow wouldn't expect this strategy and he will play to make advetage on the start.
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Man unbelievable. I really can believe it. Their chairs must be still cold, when they stop the tournament. Unbelievable.
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argh wtf this is so sad 8[. hate boxer now.
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I hope yellow pwns the living crap out of reach at least :/
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On November 12 2004 23:59 useless wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2004 22:41 sacrificetheory wrote:
i think that boxer is dishonor himself, and yellow also should be ashamed by not handling it after 3 times///... i just think it was stupid because any body could have done that i dont think just boxer, just like how newbs can sometimes catch people who are better offguard when you dont expect an all out ling rush or you dont expect that you need to build a terran wall.. just as most pros dont build walls, a newb might be able to catch them offguard with such cheapness,.... godammit im so pissed both people i wanted to win lost from dumbness Reach playing wierd, and Yellow getting cheased! Our pros are built to handle almost anything, be it rushes or surprises. But from what Im reading, Boxers cheese works because the timing is so critical, and he nails that. But Yellow had to be stubborn and went with the same build.
Read other posts such as:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=20115
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=20109
It's not "cheap" to win games. They are professional, they play to WIN.
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in light of the fact that some of us with insufficient posts are unable to view the VOD's, in the future it would be nice to have proper battle reports, hopefully with pictures, regardless of how people felt about the match.
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Pansy!!! But nice, hehe:D
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On November 13 2004 08:24 dork_of_death!! wrote:
in light of the fact that some of us with insufficient posts are unable to view the VOD's, in the future it would be nice to have proper battle reports, hopefully with pictures, regardless of how people felt about the match.
you can get the vods here with bittorrent
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=20146
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i just watched the videos, oh jesus, i would have destroyed the studio after THAT match... normally i always want boxer to win. but next time they face each other in an important game, my wishes will be for yellow. that guy needs a damn break from getting boxered
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On November 12 2004 16:08 CommanderVodka wrote:
i woke up this morning, expecting awesome games, then i see this =[
I was expecting much more exciting and closer games, like 3-2 Boxer or 3-2 Yellow.
They were still pretty good because it showed how Boxer practiced it perfectly and how he managed to suceed 3 times in a row.
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Belgium9867 Posts
On November 12 2004 17:52 Jim wrote:
Ps. It was not my intention to sound rude or offensive. I just find a bit odd that these games which clearly was very entertaining get one line and some pathetic standard game that ends in marine/medic/tank/vessel after 15 minutes gets 30 lines.
You're being rude towards the game now.
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thx wasted have the vod's already, and am seeding all 3 torrents for the good of us tl underlings
the first game was actually pretty good though and worthy of a better br
2 and 3 were the same.
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On November 13 2004 09:43 dork_of_death!! wrote:thx wasted have the vod's already, and am seeding all 3 torrents for the good of us tl underlings the first game was actually pretty good though and worthy of a better br 2 and 3 were the same.
If in game 2 and 3 yellow goes pool first then we'll see another repitition of game 1.
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c'mon, boxer just does the same strat in all 3 games, thats not very exciting, maybe the first game is, but the rest probably arent even worth watching.
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Um, the first game is alot different than just m&m&f rush. He uses sci vess, wraith and tank. Good job reporting >,<
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i wished yellow to win....
but all respect to Boxer, i dont think there is someone else who could kill yellow with bunker rush 3 times in a row.
and i think boxer might have been worried about longer game vs yellow. but thats out of question now 
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will there be any live stream from the finals in english? video, audio or whatever?
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MURICA15965 Posts
No, none in English. And unless you have a paid account, your out of luck for a live broadcast. Wait for the VODs.
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yku5788 75t5cccc253c64 264hr 4vc5
got style?
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yellow still stay in the shadow of boxer even though he is the best record guy in the KT-KTF league. boxer take some mental advantage over him all the time.
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just over 5 minutes into the vod of the first game, when boxer then yellow talk at the camera backstage or something for a bit, can a resident korean please translate? (so sorry if this has been requested/posted already but there are so many goddamn threads about this and i dont have the effort to look thru them all)
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boxer won!!! no question bout that!!! i hope boxer will own oovs ass!!!!!!!!! oov is so boring, he doesnt take much risk... lol
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it's disturbing how many people are disappointed at boxer for his play and feel he should have made an effort to "entertain" the public...?!!?! would prefer to watch boxer and yellow in something of a WWE style choreographed long game of broodwar with lots of pre planned cute stuff and showboating? i know i wouldn't, that would be fake and shitty and get very very dull. playing to win is where the entertainment comes from.
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yea, i know alot of ppl have already said this but the bottem line is, they are pros. The play starcraft to get paid and their FIRST priority is to win and if they HAPPEN to be entertaining then all the better:D You can express all the dissapointment you want but to try to excuse the or take away the "honor" ( or w/e) from the players really isn't your place and its like getting mad at a plumber for fixing your toliet as fast and effiecntly as possible-_- Opinion wise i agree with Epiphany, do you really want sc to turn into another WWE?!!
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Does anyone have an idea of what Boxer's exact build order was until he sent out his 2 rines + 6 scv?
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I don't know if I'm more shocked by the stupidity at people blaming Boxer for winning, or not blaming Yellow for losing.
And yes, they are two seperate and distinct things.
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LOL thats sooo lame. boxer is the craziest BW player ever, props to him!
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Who the hell told yellow vs boxer is funnier than reach vs oov??? -.-
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Very disappointing games
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someone knows the time from the final???
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Kinda cheap for yellow... but yellow should have changed his build...
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someone can tell me the name of the song thats played in the background at the beginning&end in the VODs ?
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