On August 27 2010 18:22 Weasel- wrote:
Didn't Morrow say back during TSL2 that TvT was his weakest BW matchup? Now suddenly he is the TvT master for SC2...

Man i never played terran in BW and now TvT is my strongest and favourite MU . Easier macro and micro makes for a lot of strategic thinking , and i try to emulate Flash and other top BW terran players in SC 2 .

sleepingdog

Austria6145 Posts

August 27 2010 09:36 GMT

#22

On August 27 2010 18:18 Plexa wrote:
Pretty sure he was talking generically, and I think he's got a really good point. Many "top" Protoss don't have the same level of mechanics as their other race counterparts, particularly because 4gate is so damn strong (or used to be). It's difficult to name a lot of strong protoss players, whereas Terran or Zerg you have no problem. I'm not talking about Huk or White-ra here, I'm talking about the overall race depth.

I understood Morrow and this is exactly what I meant - now, I reall do not want to seem like just another protoss-whiner who can't get his act together and blames everything on balance; this is neither the thread nor am I the person for something like that

you are perfectly right, when we watch "the best" protoss-players they seem to somehow lack the perfect mechanics we see from terran and imo also zerg; nevertheless my point was, that basic probability theory does not suggest that at all - the probability, that due to some very bizarre reasons protoss-players fail to master the protoss-playstyle, while terran and zerg pros steadily advance is very low; it is much more likely, that the protoss-race in general somehow "prevents" players from developing a smooth mechanical-like playstyle;
to put it very simple: right now it seems as if protoss is the race with the most viable openings (opposed to zerg who got...well....one....) but none of them is truly outstanding: like the bio-tech from terran; of course "outstanding" wouldn't mean "better"...simply giving protoss a general 50/50 chance of winning, both opponents being of the same skill; long it seemed as if 4gate into expansion into whatever was the way to go; nowadays terran and zerg can deal with that pretty well, I guess nobody would call a straight-forward 4gate push recommendable any more nowadays; then it seemed (sticking with TvP) that 1 or 2gate into robo for fast immortal + observer was viable; nevertheless I rarely see it succeed anymore, if I watch reps from the korean realm they hardly do it either; again protoss seems to be back at square one

now this doesn't automatically means "imbalance" of course and by no means do I want to turn this into a general discussion about the state of protoss; my criticism was pointed towards the fact that morrow oddly seems to think that the fact why protoss-players haven't developed their race by now (they've pretty much stagnated since release) can be explained by the lacking skill of protoss-players; this is what bothers me, because that's just arrogant; he could've at least considered the possibility that this could have something to do with the race itself (subjunctive!); mainly the complete lack of harassment-possibilities until early midgame (phoenix) and the lack of a strong low-food-unit-compositioning (MMM-players manage to beat gateway+immortal steadily nowadays)

sorry for the long read, didn't plan on writing that much initially....

BingoFace

United States17 Posts

August 27 2010 09:46 GMT

#23

"I won because I was the best player at the event" and "Terran I don't know. I hope I don't sound too arrogant saying this, but it feels they are all a step underneath me" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

This guy has some nerve... wins one big tournament and thinks he is god. Morrow now has the least respect of any player in the community, in my opinion. Wow LOL.

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Djin)ftw(

Germany3357 Posts

August 27 2010 09:48 GMT

#24

quite a few typos :o

Klive5ive

United Kingdom6056 Posts

August 27 2010 09:52 GMT

#25

On August 27 2010 18:05 sleepingdog wrote:
a) that he thinks he is one level above the other terrans; I mean, that's just wrong....the fact that you have the strongest mirror matchup doesn't automatically say you are the best of your race;

If you watched all the games at IEM you can see he was leagues ahead of the other Terrans.
All the other Terrans have holes in their games:
TLO; not brilliant at macro yet, creative play not 100% polished or effective. (he's still amazing tho)
Tarson; He lets his micro slip all the time, far too many reaper mistakes versus Dimaga
DeMuslim; Macro slips and he tilts in longer games. He was completely outplayed in the mid/late game by IdrA.

Morrow was the most complete player in the tournament. Great micro, great macro, great gamesense and flexible enough to adjust in tournament play.

Patriot.dlk

Sweden5462 Posts

August 27 2010 09:54 GMT

#26

Nice to see a swedish person not being modest just for the sake of being modest. Cheers

Random()

Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts

August 27 2010 09:56 GMT

#27

Appreciate the honesty, but he overrates himself in my opinion. Dimaga lost that game on Xel'Naga Caverns rather than Morrow won it and Idra's play was disappointing in the finals.

Morrow is very good at finding things to abuse and abusing them - but it only works so well because the game is still new. When it will get more stable and people learn how to deal with all these abusive strategies, he will not be in the top.

diehilde

Germany1596 Posts

August 27 2010 09:58 GMT

#28

Very good Interview, Morrow knows what hes talking about and isnt afraid to say what he thinks. Seeing him win at IEM makes me even more proud that im like 5-1 or smth against him

You owe me an icecream for that beta zvt practice making u realize u cant let Z expand and not be aggressive until mid/lategame Morrow !

Sadistx

Zimbabwe5568 Posts

August 27 2010 09:58 GMT

#29

Morrow's play was really top notch during IEM, and I agree with his position on maps - they simply feel too small, so some all-in builds are going to be incredibly hard to stop (like marauder hellion on steppes, especially with denied scouting)

Morrow seems really passionate about the game, and I hope he goes far in the SC2 scene.

crappen

Norway1546 Posts

August 27 2010 09:59 GMT

#30

On August 27 2010 18:56 Random() wrote:
When it will get more stable and people learn how to deal with all these abusive strategies, he will not be in the top.

That is also what he wants. I think he will come out ahead when things settle down, asia excluded.

Did you guys notice how he thinks there are many good terrans (although not as good as him) and mention many names but does not include TLO. Is TLO really that bad at the moment?

Michiel

Belgium48 Posts

August 27 2010 09:59 GMT

#31

popular guy :D

uNiGNoRe

Germany1115 Posts

August 27 2010 10:01 GMT

#32

Really good interview. So many honest answers, that's what I want to read. Thanks MorroW.

Zona

40426 Posts

August 27 2010 10:09 GMT

#33

Very comprehensive interview. SC2 strategies still have a lot of room to develop.

10or10

Sweden517 Posts

August 27 2010 10:09 GMT

#34

On August 27 2010 18:46 BingoFace wrote:
"I won because I was the best player at the event" and "Terran I don't know. I hope I don't sound too arrogant saying this, but it feels they are all a step underneath me" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

This guy has some nerve... wins one big tournament and thinks he is god. Morrow now has the least respect of any player in the community, in my opinion. Wow LOL.

Well, he did win the event so maybe he were the best player at the event?

But I can not figure out which terran you think is at the same level as him at the moment?

I think he is correct, and it's not like his claiming he is god or even better than the koreans.

dRaW

Canada5744 Posts

August 27 2010 10:09 GMT

#35

I don't mean to drag this up but there are some statements which sort of counter previous answers to previous questions. Goes on about how he doesn't want to bring up match imbalance, then states how terran vs zerg is imbalance (any build he does basically works, he can build outside his base and zerg can't bust him, etc)... I don't know much about sc2, but yes you want to play abusive, but if you are winning with imbalanced matchups (which no1 can say sc2 is balanced, its a new game so it will take its time) it's hard to argue or get people to agree to not complain about this.

He played well, don't want to take away credit, but the imbalance helps the skill level.

Nu11

Canada167 Posts

August 27 2010 10:18 GMT

#36

Really well spoken. Good luck to him.

Patriot.dlk

Sweden5462 Posts

August 27 2010 10:23 GMT

#37

Wasn't morrow the guy who was open minded about dodging in the TSL 2 ladder? I remember really appreciating that rational thinking and honesty.

sleepingdog

Austria6145 Posts

August 27 2010 10:23 GMT

#38

But I can not figure out which terran you think is at the same level as him at the moment?

roxkisBratOK - in all honesty, if morrow hadn't replaced him, I'm pretty sure he would've won; although it's redundant to speculate about since he wasn't at the tournament, but considering how awsome his games were right before the event I'm sure he would've gotten far

mathemagician1986

Germany549 Posts

August 27 2010 10:25 GMT

#39

I flamed Morrow and his win in another thread, but that's because I play zerg and I was on tilt after seeing the close games vs dimaga and idra getting owned.

However, I haven't seen anyone do such aggressive and, above all, continuous(!) reaper harrassment since then. I even checked korean replays, and rarely have I seen a terran who can match morrow in his refined build order, crisp execution, on the spot multitasking and reaper micro.

So, congrats morrow! You earned your win.

On the plus side: nothing is funnier than mid diamond Terrans who try to copy morrows build and fail spectacularly, because they either keep their reapers alive but build no more scvs after they have 5+ reapers, or they conitnue macoring but keep losing their reapers for nothing :p This 5 rax reaper has done wonders for my win percentage vs terran

Pippah

Denmark356 Posts

August 27 2010 10:31 GMT

#40

he seems a bit bitter, as if he feels he doesnt get enough attention :O