• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:43
CEST 21:43
KST 04:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!26Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week4Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7
StarCraft 2
General
How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Starcraft2 player guess game is Coming~! Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey!
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 540 Dodge This The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout
Brood War
General
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call Farewell Beloved Starcraft (Youtube Videos) New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group F [ASL22] Ro24 Group D Small VOD Thread 2.0 Brood War in Budapest ! WORTEX 2026 BW Finals
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Replay Review Process - What do you do? Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
The Creator Fan Club MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Young Players Exit Esports E…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4100 users

[SC2B] Micro Matters - Page 6

Forum Index > News
106 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 All
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
March 08 2010 21:35 GMT
#101
On March 08 2010 20:59 Daigomi wrote:Anyway, if you want to continue this discussion, maybe just send a PM since I'm fairly sure we're the only two people in the world who still care about this.


Nope. I'm loving the thoughtful and mature debate going on between you two. I don't have any experience with Chess or Go, but I can understand the analogies with my understanding of SC/BW/SC2. Daigomi's metaphors are masterful

As to my own opinion, I'm going to have to agree with daigomi. I think the most important resource in SC/BW/SC2 is players' attention and focus. APM can be artificially inflated by performing meaningless or inefficient actions, and really is pretty useless by itself. What is really important in SC/BW/SC2, or any good RTS in my opinion, is the number of meaningful/efficient (and correct) actions a player can perform per minute, and that is more than a matter of mechanics or manipulation of a UI, it's a matter of strategic decision-making and tactical execution.

Oversimplifying or overautomating the tasks in a RTS would remove depth from it. The more meaningful (i.e. contribute to winning) actions or decisions that can be made, the more room there is for players to distinguish themselves from each other with their understanding of the game, their ability to react quickly and decisively to what their opponent is doing, and their ability to execute their strategies/tactics. The fact that many of the decisions have a mechanical element requiring the manipulation of a mouse and keyboard doesn't automatically make them non-strategic or not meaningful.

One way to look at it would be to imagine if we had the technology to allow players to connect their brains to their computers that would allow players to play SC/BW/SC2 with their minds instead of their arms/hands (I know the technology is out there, but it's far from the point it needs to be for the purposes of this discussion). Instead of microing with mouse and keyboard, they'd accomplish it by thinking of the action they want performed. Would there really be much of a difference between how the games are played now? The game would still come down to how many meaningful and correct decisions a player could make within the context of a strategy and how quickly and effectively they could execute them, albeit with their minds as opposed to their hands.
Moderator
awol
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia79 Posts
March 09 2010 12:26 GMT
#102
Just wanted to say, awesome that you guys are using ogg vorbis! freedom! Good cast to btw =)
I ain't no superstar.
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
March 09 2010 23:46 GMT
#103
Apparently tristens cat is not the only one with autism. You guys are aware that some people listen to podcasts on... iPods... Right? Thanks for ruining my ride home on the metro. I have no way to play this on my iPhone. =[
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
March 09 2010 23:49 GMT
#104
On March 08 2010 03:52 Daigomi wrote:
<font size=4>Low quality mp3 podcast for those interested</font>

That should help you!
Moderator
us.insurgency
Profile Joined March 2010
United States330 Posts
March 10 2010 01:58 GMT
#105
If you take out the tactical aspect of SC then you just have two strategies going against each other. You need micro to get yourself out of sticky situations. I want to play a game where I can out think and out control my opponent not just get lucky with a strat i looked up on liquipedia. If you only want your "elaborate pre-planned action" to be the deciding factor then you should play rock paper scissors. You need micro so you can go with a FE and just make enough zerglings to hold off their attack. If you can make less units now and have better control to get an advantage in the mid to late game then more power to you.
ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
March 10 2010 14:05 GMT
#106
awsome, thanks.
IMBA - International Mountain Bicycling Association.
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
March 13 2010 15:50 GMT
#107
On March 10 2010 08:49 Daigomi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2010 03:52 Daigomi wrote:
<font size=4>Low quality mp3 podcast for those interested</font>

That should help you!


Thanks very much. I already listened to it at home by the time I saw this but it was cool of you to take the time to convert it. Maybe OP could add this to their post next time so people see it.

So is there no podcast this week? Need my dose of Shawn Plott!
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Prev 1 4 5 6 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 17m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 736
JuggernautJason83
BRAT_OK 68
Trap 61
mouzHeroMarine 23
EnDerr 15
MindelVK 15
ProTech13
ZombieGrub11
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 20253
Shuttle 813
Soulkey 755
Hyun 40
Hm[arnc] 32
firebathero 0
Dota 2
Dendi2544
Pyrionflax142
Counter-Strike
fl0m3237
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu509
Other Games
Grubby2821
Beastyqt651
FrodaN590
KnowMe204
C9.Mang0166
ArmadaUGS159
shahzam149
Livibee88
Trikslyr53
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1997
Other Games
• Scarra1013
• imaqtpie793
• Shiphtur245
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 17m
The PondCast
14h 17m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
Escore
1d 14h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 15h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
GSL
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.