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XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
March 08 2010 21:35 GMT
#101
On March 08 2010 20:59 Daigomi wrote:Anyway, if you want to continue this discussion, maybe just send a PM since I'm fairly sure we're the only two people in the world who still care about this.


Nope. I'm loving the thoughtful and mature debate going on between you two. I don't have any experience with Chess or Go, but I can understand the analogies with my understanding of SC/BW/SC2. Daigomi's metaphors are masterful

As to my own opinion, I'm going to have to agree with daigomi. I think the most important resource in SC/BW/SC2 is players' attention and focus. APM can be artificially inflated by performing meaningless or inefficient actions, and really is pretty useless by itself. What is really important in SC/BW/SC2, or any good RTS in my opinion, is the number of meaningful/efficient (and correct) actions a player can perform per minute, and that is more than a matter of mechanics or manipulation of a UI, it's a matter of strategic decision-making and tactical execution.

Oversimplifying or overautomating the tasks in a RTS would remove depth from it. The more meaningful (i.e. contribute to winning) actions or decisions that can be made, the more room there is for players to distinguish themselves from each other with their understanding of the game, their ability to react quickly and decisively to what their opponent is doing, and their ability to execute their strategies/tactics. The fact that many of the decisions have a mechanical element requiring the manipulation of a mouse and keyboard doesn't automatically make them non-strategic or not meaningful.

One way to look at it would be to imagine if we had the technology to allow players to connect their brains to their computers that would allow players to play SC/BW/SC2 with their minds instead of their arms/hands (I know the technology is out there, but it's far from the point it needs to be for the purposes of this discussion). Instead of microing with mouse and keyboard, they'd accomplish it by thinking of the action they want performed. Would there really be much of a difference between how the games are played now? The game would still come down to how many meaningful and correct decisions a player could make within the context of a strategy and how quickly and effectively they could execute them, albeit with their minds as opposed to their hands.
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awol
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia79 Posts
March 09 2010 12:26 GMT
#102
Just wanted to say, awesome that you guys are using ogg vorbis! freedom! Good cast to btw =)
I ain't no superstar.
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
March 09 2010 23:46 GMT
#103
Apparently tristens cat is not the only one with autism. You guys are aware that some people listen to podcasts on... iPods... Right? Thanks for ruining my ride home on the metro. I have no way to play this on my iPhone. =[
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
March 09 2010 23:49 GMT
#104
On March 08 2010 03:52 Daigomi wrote:
<font size=4>Low quality mp3 podcast for those interested</font>

That should help you!
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us.insurgency
Profile Joined March 2010
United States330 Posts
March 10 2010 01:58 GMT
#105
If you take out the tactical aspect of SC then you just have two strategies going against each other. You need micro to get yourself out of sticky situations. I want to play a game where I can out think and out control my opponent not just get lucky with a strat i looked up on liquipedia. If you only want your "elaborate pre-planned action" to be the deciding factor then you should play rock paper scissors. You need micro so you can go with a FE and just make enough zerglings to hold off their attack. If you can make less units now and have better control to get an advantage in the mid to late game then more power to you.
ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
March 10 2010 14:05 GMT
#106
awsome, thanks.
IMBA - International Mountain Bicycling Association.
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
March 13 2010 15:50 GMT
#107
On March 10 2010 08:49 Daigomi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2010 03:52 Daigomi wrote:
<font size=4>Low quality mp3 podcast for those interested</font>

That should help you!


Thanks very much. I already listened to it at home by the time I saw this but it was cool of you to take the time to convert it. Maybe OP could add this to their post next time so people see it.

So is there no podcast this week? Need my dose of Shawn Plott!
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
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