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I don't agree with lynching an inactive the first day. Since this is a newbie friendly game, those with blue roles might be more inclined to stay lurking since they know they have an important role and don't want to die so early. I remember when I was a medic (many times) all I thought about was staying alive so I can at least be able to contribute with protections each night - thus I stayed quiet and only communicated through PMs.
Also, with 30 players we have a much higher chance of lynching a poor blue this time around. I understand that there could be true green inactives, but to randomly pick someone imo is really dangerous. I suggest choosing someone that is both inactive and has somewhat of a clue pointing to that person.
Right now looking at all the platforms Shikyo has the most detailed and from first glance it does make him look the most trustworthy. Although the other candidates boast "experience", to me that really isn't the most important thing. It's the plan that the person comes up with that will attract my vote.
The problem is we really only have 3-4 real candidates running for mayor/sheriff. Shikyo seems like a shoe-in for sheriff with the mayor position up for grabs.
So with that said...
I'm going to be running for Mayor.
I've played in a couple mafia games previously. Didn't really say much or do much, but after much observation I am willing to use all that I understand for the town's benefit.
My plan:
1. Day 1 Lynch - I'd like for the town to vote for the day 1 lynch. Although if I get elected I have the choice, I am willing to let the town decide on who gets the axe day 1. This of course would only work if we collectively or majoritively agree on one person right now before the elections are over.
2. Town web -
a) Vigi Plan
I think Crate brought up a great point about the trouble of getting a confirmed towny. The vigi plan has some flaws though. The vigi can't roleclaim and announce his hit to the whole town because a mafia could just do the same. I noticed in the day post that the mafia don't have names. So we wouldn't really know if a new vigi has come out and performed his announced hit.
b) Medic plan
Nowhere does it say that the medic will know the role of the person he has saved. I agree that it is more likely for a medic to save a mafia hit than a vigi hit, but as a medic in previous games myself, it's pretty hard to judge who is going to get hit every night (that or I was a horrible medic lol). Also, in the less likely case of saving a mafia from a vigi - the medic may mistrust the saved mafia for a good guy. In the case that we do not get a successful block, then we should move on to another plan that I am suggesting: plan C.
c) Detective role-check
Depending on how far we get with the medic plan, we might have to consider the ultimatum which is to have a DT rolecheck someone - which would be the safest way, unless you manage to unluckily land on the godfather; then theres no way back. The chance of landing on the godfather is slim though, so I deem this the safest plan and most viable after using trying the medic plan.
If I do get elected, I will get 3 votes. I plan on voting on the basis of behavioural analysis and clues, with clues being 2nd most important (exceptions of course). I will try to share as much as I know with everybody to keep everyone out of the dark. As for the double-lynches, I hope that they will be used as soon as the town web gets rolling.
I hope I have said enough to convince you all to give me a chance, and I promise I will do my best to paint the walls of Fluidville bright red.
(I hope that wasn't bad for my first thread post)
Just realized theres a player named teks in this game - I hope you guys don't mistake me for him, my name is Zeks.
Thanks for reading!
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For those who haven't read my platform, I would urge you to do so - it is at the top of this page. I want to pose a question to town: once the mayor does get elected today, who would you like to see get lynched? I also want to reiterate that no one should be PMing their roles to the new elected Sheriff and Mayor until further confirmation.
Our activity in this game has been pretty disappointing. The more lurkers there are the more it benefits the reds. Come on out people!
The last 3 pages have pretty much been arguing about elections, and we've seem to forget about our first day clues (however vague they may be). I'll try to get some clue analysis done by the end of elections.
Anyways I've come up with the inactive list:
Posted very little:
7. motbob - ran for Sheriff
15. ydg - clue analysis
16. sugiuramidori - clue analysis
19. therapy - talked so he didnt look like an inactive
24. Knutti - didn't really say much, see pg4
26. Koopie - forgot what he said but wasn't too important
29. phelix - didn't really say much, see pg4
30. bwdero - supports killing inactive even if he's blue, minor clue analysis
Never posted:
5. omG.[RaYnE]
6. clazziquai
13. adriix33
18. Ra.Xor.2
31. epicdoom
I'll address this right now.
What clues?
The only thing I have seen even remotely linked to me is the word "creep" and my pet zergling icon. I don't need to remind you that we have at least 8 players with zerg icons playing this game. You will be rather hard pressed to validate anything based solely on that.
What about the "eerily crepusclar" clue - with your cat in the profile? Hope you can explain that a little.
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@BWDero:
Sorry, might have mixed you up with someone else.
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To be safe I suggest we try to find clues that may point to the inactives so we can have a better shot at hitting a red. I am also supportive if we were to lynch Jayme based on clues.
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Based on clues: Jayme
Other than that: I choose therapy.
Justification on therapy:
His one post:
Hi guys, just chiming in here so I don't get killed for inactiveness. This is my first mafia game besides playing with about 15 friends around 2 years ago so I'm probably not going to be saying anything too profound. I haven't really been swayed by any of the potential sheriff's speech's so far, they sound reasonably intelligent but don't state anything that's beyond just general knowledge or logic. If I dunno who to vote for should I just abstain or should I take a shot in the dark?
The majority of us have agreed to lynch an inactive for first lynch, and the whole purpose of his one post is so that he won't be on the chopping block for this lynch. It is because of this that makes me suspicious of him. He may have posted once, so it looks like he's better than the ones that haven't posted, but I think his post was as good as nothing. Furthermore, his profile has pretty much one thing to relate clues to: the quote: "Let's start a revolution so I can break some shit." I am linking this to the last part of day 1: Without warning, his windshield shattered and a wave of glass ripped through LTT's face. Passing out from blood loss, LTT's head slumped, sounding a horn that would not be heard in time.
This isn't the strongest clue, but the links are:
"break some shit" -> "windshield shattered and a wave of glass..."
"start a revolution" -> "sounding a horn"
So because of those two counts and the majority of us wanting to lynch an inactive, I would thus lynch therapy if I were to be elected mayor.
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I hope the town will appreciate the information I'm disclosing to you all. I'm willing to share my thoughts publically to keep everyone informed, and I hope to hear opinions from you all on my findings.
A comeback seems improbable now for me, but I hope you all can reconsider me for Mayor. Again my platform is on page 8 if you haven't read it yet.
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I suggest that as soon as DTs are allowed to act, we should start checking clues on the people who voted for Tudor (making the Tudor list).
I don't necessarily think Tudor is red at this point since I can't connect really any clues to him (I don't understand his quote, and his name is apparently a name of a hockey player), and his actions haven't really been too suspicious.
I'm also not completely 100% sold on JeeJee's alignment, but right now my gut feeling tells me to trust him over Tudor.
The mayor role has quite the big effect with the 3 votes, and in tight voting races it could really sway the result.
From the looks of this JeeJee will become mayor, and I hope you decide to go with the lynch of therapy.
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On May 20 2009 06:22 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 06:20 l10f wrote:On May 20 2009 06:14 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
Role checks cannot be done night 1, and if Tudor is elected, we can no longer role check him. The same goes for JeeJee. However, if we are able to lynch one of his voters and he flips red, i think lynching him would be a smart move. Again, this can also be applied if JeeJee wins the election. So you want to lynch a voter for both JeeJee and Jimtudor, regardless of who wins? No im saying depending on who won, we can lynch one of their voters, and if he flips up red, we can be suspicious of the new mayor.
If the right clues connect to one of the voters then yes; so I believe my suggestion of checking the voters first should be valid.
We shouldn't be lynching just a random person off the list.
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I find it suspicious that The_Master is changing his vote to JeeJee after I brought up the fact that we should check clues on the people who vote for JimTudor.
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On May 20 2009 10:08 Therapy wrote:
I don't understand what is so suspicious about saying that I don't have anything to add. However, if I AM lynched, and that seems to be becoming extremely likely I suggest suspicions be turned towards JeeJee and zeks as they were very quick to bandwagon against me with little to no real evidence. I'm not sure what I can really say in my defense, I'm just inexperienced and figured I was supposed to post, just couldn't think of anything to add. Guess I'll take this as a learning experience for the next game.
There isn't really a "bandwagon" at all. BWDero wanted a name, and I gave him one. Why did JeeJee support the idea of lynching you? Probably because the evidence (however little it may be) seemed convincing enough to him. In terms of inactives and those with clues pointing to them, you're one of the more obvious ones. If you can point out anyone else worth lynching day 1, then please tell everyone (or at least convince JeeJee/Shikyo) that you're worth living, rather than giving up so easily this early in the game.
On May 20 2009 10:10 The_Master wrote:Well, Shikyo, I thank you for not being too suspicious of me. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 07:36 zeks wrote:
I find it suspicious that The_Master is changing his vote to JeeJee after I brought up the fact that we should check clues on the people who vote for JimTudor.
I don't mind that you find that suspicious at all. I would still be voting to JimTudor if JeeJee hadn't swayed me over to the dark side (pardon the figure of speech). Also, I wouldn't expect to not get off the 'suspected' list by changing my vote but I figured I'd be suspected either way so I may as well vote for who I wanted to vote for. If you think I swtiched votes to remove suspicions from myself, think of it this way: If I was a mafia the two ways I can think of to explain my actions are: a) I panicked at possibly being the center of attention so I joined a bandwagon and made up the pitiful excuse of why I changed my vote; or b) My Mafian ringleaders (all more experienced than me so they would know it would bring attention to myself) told me to switch from JimTudor (if he is Mafian like you suspect) to JeeJee ... for some reason. Perhaps JeeJee is mafia as well then or JeeJee would somehow benefit them in some way that would counter the extra suspicion being dumped upon me? Now, if I was a lonely little townsfolk peasant person with no friends to give me a character reference I can only think of one reason to change: I liked JeeJee in more than JimTudor (or maybe I have a 6th sense just joined the bandwagon before I realized there was a bandwagon - now, that would be cool).
Fair enough, your defense sounds good. But why are you assuming that the mafia are more experienced than you?
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There is no lynching vote, mayor gets the lynch
I read the rules and I never found anything about ties and what would happen - but most of you say its last vote = Sheriff so I suppose Shikyo is now Mayor. Shikyo probably already sent in his lynch.
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Oops obviously I didn't read the rules well enough doh!
Let's see who's on the chopping block!
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I take responsibility for the miss. Therapy wasn't the strongest for clues, in fact I still think Jayme and the cat is. Other than the fact that therapy did seem suspicious, the fact that no one really covered for him said a lot about his role. I was also hoping to get more input from people, especially the two elected, but I guess my finger was all it took to give therapy his end.
Hey, at least we didn't hit a blue. I guess we can call round 1 a draw?
I guess our next step is to construct the medic list.
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Medic list looks fine to me, I'm pretty much waiting for the Sheriff to talk and the arrival of day 2.
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I just hope that the medics are listening right now and hopefully they won't deviate from the plan.
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On May 21 2009 11:52 So no fek wrote:Wow, Jimtudor got bodyguard. So we know he isn't mafia. Now the real question is: Was it someone trying to attack someone in office, or get rid of Jimtudor? Either way it makes me think about who's in office. We've all come to the general consensus that mafia is likely either in office, or ran for office. Killing one of the people that ran for office doesn't seem like something that would benefit them, as it would just bring more suspicion onto them. On the other hand, if mafia isn't in office, then they see the people there as a threat, and thus are going through bodyguards for that entire purpose. Of course, killing off your own bodyguards as mafia would be stupid, but it could all just be to throw us off. 
You bring up some pretty good points.
Let's review out all the likely scenarios:
a) Jim revealed his role to mafia
- Mafia would get rid of him due to the fact that he is a contributing player, and the suspicion cast on him early would probably mean the medics won't be protecting him tonight
b) Jim revealed his role to the Sheriff/Mayor, and one/or both are mafia.
- Now if either JeeJee or Shikyo decided to kill Jim off, I believe that wouldn't be a wise move because bodyguards protect them from potential future vigi hits. I think a mafia "elected" would prefer to have his bodyguards, of course there is the possibility of the mayor trying to get rid of the Sheriff or vice versa. This scenario is pretty farfetch'd in my opinion.
c) Jim never revealed his role to anyone, he was just a target from get the get go since he was a good contributer.
- I think this is the most likely scenario. It's obvious that the town has been suspicious of Jim up until this point, and a lot of us were arguing whether to put him on the medic list or not. Because of the suspicion the medics probably weren't going to cover him tonight which lead to his death.
We only had two deaths tonight, softer and Jimtudor. Obviously there are only two possible scenarios:
a) Stacked hits on either softer or Jim.
- After some thought I find it hard to believe that either of them took 2 hits. Softer wasn't really contributing too too much to deserve 2 hits - in fact he wasn't even on any medic lists afaik. For Jim I want to reiterate that there was already suspicion cast on him, so if mafia were smart they'd probably assume that Jim was not likely to be protected, thus only needing one hit. Of course scenario a) cannot be fully ruled out because we don't know how the mafia valued Jimtudor as a contributer.
b) Someone got saved.
- I think this is more likely, and in this case, I believe someone on the medic list got saved tonight.
I'll true to whip up some clue analysis later.
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I think the vigi plan has just too many flaws. The medic plan is viable and I really believe that someone got saved last night versus a vet taking a hit. Now, how far the town web has grown I don't know.
But if things get desperate and still nothing gets done, then we should go with the DT rolecheck. I think this is probably the safest plan but obviously has a great drawback of losing one rolecheck. I am willing to step up for examination, that is, you'd have to believe in me not being Godfather.
And so far there have been no clues against me afaik, but of course I'm not free from suspicion one bit. Should we try this? Up to you two DT's to decide. (Of course, if this does happen I hope only one of you rolechecks me)
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On May 22 2009 00:01 teks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 23:52 zeks wrote:
And so far there have been no clues against me afaik, but of course I'm not free from suspicion one bit. Should we try this? Up to you two DT's to decide. (Of course, if this does happen I hope only one of you rolechecks me)
I wouldn't mind doing this, but how do you suppose we can overcome these possible flaws: 1) Knowing whether or not the DT's who rolecheck you are real 2) Presenting the results of the rolecheck in this thread WITHOUT giving up the identity of the DT's to the mafia, which would lead to them getting whacked the next night (unless protected by the sheriff, but that has it downsides to it as well) 3) As you said yourself, you may be GF anyway - although it is unlikely.. Now, it's not like we can't do this without a confirmed townie, but it would make things easier. I say before we go through with this plan we should atleast wait until day 3 so the vigi's can make their hits, if one of them strikes gold we won't have to do this.
1) The DT would tell me my role.
2) I wouldn't have to disclose who's a DT anyway. I'm willing to act as the DT's mouthpiece and if we nail one then he'll turn red and you can trust me then.
3) Up to you guys to decide.
There is no 100% foolproof plan, there's always a possibility that can fuck everything up. I'm basically playing a game of probabilities.
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Yep I talked about the possibility of me being GF. That's why you guys have to analyze my behaviour and whether any clues have pointed to me to see whether I'm trustworthy enough up to this point.
I'm not in a hurry in getting this working. We're still in good shape though we lost a bodyguard but at least we don't need to suspect Jim no more, which narrows down the list of potential mafia in the candidates/medic list.
If someone can come up with a surefire plan for day 2, by all means tell us. I'm still not convinced of using the vigi plan for many reasons stated against it.
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On May 22 2009 13:00 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 12:50 crate wrote:
What day 2 clues are pointing to Jayme? I thought we were still on the "crepuscular" possible clue?
I'd be surprised if Pyrry were using the same people in clues on consecutive days too (though of course more possible links to 1 person = more likely at least one of them is actually real).
At this point though I'd be 1a2a3a'ing through the inactives list if I could. They're only hurting us by staying quiet. a little birdo told me that crepuscular does not point to jayme. of course the inactives are hurting us the problem is, there's like ten of them, by the time we're done with them, we're screwed.
lol pulling an Ace?
Mind to give us a name of someone u want dead?
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