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First up, i'm glad there's already a fair amount of discussion going on, this is great. particularly since this is somewhat of a newbie game, it's much more likely that mafia can make a mistake when trying to fit in with an active town. so, keep it up!
I think I'll go ahead and announce my candidacy for sheriff/mayor as well. My experience? I've played in every single mafia game on teamliquid, including tracil's. I've been green, blue and red, so i've been around, and know what to expect. I never ran for office, mostly because i was (and still am, of course) learning, and plus there were some crazy-good people like ace that usually run. a lot of them are in the other mafia game though, so i feel like i have an edge here
issue of the first lynch -- promising to lynch an inactive is a decent start, since obviously we want everyone to be active. like mentioned earlier, this gives us a better shot at pinpointing mafia (especially given that there are many beginners here)
issue of my activity -- i'll go ahead and say it: i won't be the most active player here. i work fulltime, but i will be online every day, and i will have several hours of free time, so this shouldn't be an issue.
issues of votes/incarcs -- mayor votes are powerful because they can stop (or start) retarded bandwagons (see last game). as for incarcs, i haven't played with most of the people here, but i'm sure many will step up (because you'll be active, remember?) and prove themselves valuable to the town/desirable targets for mafia
so yeah, jeejee for office!
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Oh yeah and the obligatory campaign poster,
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to be fair, i did outline my stance on the main issues that we should be concerned about when electing someone into office: firstly (although minor, some people put a lot of weight into this for some reason) the initial lynch, then the special abilities, future activity, and finally (which i believe is the most important) the ability to make good decisions on and off the record (while discouraged, pm rings will always exist, can't do much about that). so my platform is more than just "i'm experienced". but yes i did try to keep it as brief as possible
if you think i should've covered something else, feel free to point it out and i'll elaborate
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On May 19 2009 05:33 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 05:16 Shikyo wrote: Oh yes, I forgot. Pyrr, is it too much work if you had links on the front page for every day and every night, just like Chuiu did in his last game? It's incredibly useful and convenient, so if it's not too troublesome, it'd be great. Or were you going to only include them in the OP? That works too, I just think it'd be useful when trying to find certain posts that happened at a certain time. I'll do it if someone tells me how to link to a post instead of just a page. Or am I supposed to just link to the page?
mouseover the 'quote' link and you'll see something like.. &id=86&topic_id=93562 the first one is the post id the second is the thread id
so you take the page link, add #86 (or whatever) and it'll center to the post
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On May 19 2009 05:17 ydg wrote: Going back to clue analysis, no one has mentioned this part yet:
Meanwhile, downstairs, Qatol was using the Triumvirate Building's spacious archery range for target practice. As he looked down to reload, another figure crossed the room from the other side. The mafioso crept behind Qatol and took out his knife. Qatol never shot another arrow.
I don't know if Pyrry is using clues to indicate characteristics of mafia like Chuiu does, or if he uses words in his paragraphs relating to information from Mafia. If it's the first one, then this mafia "creeps" and "crossed the room [of the spacious archery range] from the other side" quite quickly, in the time it takes Qatol to reload. This seems to indicate a sort of animal, to me at least, which may go well with the clue about the cat.
we'll know more about pyrr's clue writing style as the game goes on, but this is an interesting catch. archery ranges aren't exactly small (even in that very quote, it's described as "spacious") so crossing it in the time it takes to pull out another arrow does imply something that's pretty fast.
anyway i'm getting a bit confused about the lack of activity here... both the coasts should've definitely woken up by now (not to mention europe), and still, only a few people are posting.. given that this is the very beginning, doesn't bode too well. be active people! i hope that in the next few hours activity picks up as people in na come back from jobs or w/e.
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query: Townie 16 of 16 Detective 2 of 2 Medic 3 of 3 Vigilante 2 of 2 Veteran 1 of 1 Mayor 1 of 1 Bodyguard 2 of 2 Sheriff 1 of 1 Miller 2 of 2 Mafia 6 of 6 Godfather 1 of 1
16 townies + 2 DTs + 3 medics + 2 vigs + 1 vet + 2 miller + 6 mafia = 32? or are millers counted in townies, and gf not in the mafia count?
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On May 19 2009 06:58 So no fek wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 06:43 l10f wrote: Just go with the flow and vote for Shikyo =] Bandwagon voting is never good, however, I'll agree that his campaign is the best.
yeah i agree, bandwagoning must be discouraged.. especially if it's the only post you make in the thread to date. just doesn't look too good
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in terms of voting without posting content, unfortunately that seems to be a recurring theme so far.. both knutti & l10f did the same thing. a few others made one post of content, which is more forgivable of course. it's a bit unsettling when there's basically 9 people who voted so far and 1/3 of them haven't added anything to the thread.
there really should be no reason for any townie to stay quiet since that only hurts the town.
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also, @shikyo you can also look at the game where bwdero played in and was mafia.. and also kept his posting style consistent with 'politeness' or whatever. the whole conclusion based on the language analysis part of your post pretty much falls apart there once that is taken into account, it seems.
and l10f, it's clear you're keeping up with the thread given how quickly you pop out of the woodwork when someone mentions your name, so care to elaborate on the current candidates and what you think of them?
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well, this is a smaller game by TLs standards no doubt, but in general it is actually pretty large. all depends on your point of reference
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The reason the confirming-vigi plan didn't work out is because the vigi in question didn't PM his hit to the four people as promised. If they actually do that, it's possible to use this plan; however, it's easy to link clues to someone that you want them to be linked to. And it would be a fine line to draw whether something/someone's going too far to try and match the clues to the supposed vigi, or the connection is reasonable compared to pyrr's other clues.
Also keep in mind, if a medic successfully protects X, this doesn't say anything about X's innocence. Sure, it's likely that X is a townie-aligned role that was hit by mafia, but it's also possible that it was a mafia hit by a vigi.
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However, combining these 2 plans gives us something interesting. If we have our vigis PM their hits to a few random people, then we can effectively rule out the possibility that the abovementioned X is a mafia hit by a vigi. This, obviously, requires cooperation on the part of the vigis, to not hit anyone prior PMing a few people.
So, assuming that vigis decide to play along, a medic gets a message of a successful protection on X. Moreover, noone posts any vigi PMs that they have received. At this point the medic can be reasonably sure that X is innocent.
comments?
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Well, the activity level has been sorely disappointing so far. Only about half the people voted, and out of those, quite a few have provided basically no input to the thread. At this rate, a lot of participants might end up modkilled =/
Here's hoping it picks up tomorrow (given that it's already midnight on the east coast)
So far, I would like more feedback posted about the plans outlined in the thread as well as the candidates. Foolishness' latest post was.. interesting, but it's Shikyo's reply that I'm looking forward to.
Anyway, I'm off to sleep, I'll be back tomorrow. And remember,
Those are the gold chains of justice!
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Well, time's-a-tickin, we're still missing a fair amount of votes, but let's talk a little bit about the roles, and how they should act for the next little while. First up, everyone's expected to vote. That's obvious. If you haven't voted, and are reading this, go and vote right now, even if it's just to abstain. Now let's go down the list.
First up, about half this game is townies. When I started, I used to dislike the townie role, because of "damn i don't have any powers, noo", but also because a lot of the earlier games had silly self-confirming roles like elder which left townies out of the loop. That is, unless you put effort in. Townie is my favorite role now, for several reasons. First up, and most relevant to this game, it's quite a bit easier to start learning. You can be as outspoken as you like, without having to worry "oh, would this post hint i'm a medic/dt/vigi? maybe i shouldn't post. crap why am i being lynched for being inactive?? maybe i should roleclaim? wait they're lynching me anyway, WTF". Nevermind choosing whether and who to hit/prot/check. Seriously, if you're a townie, start posting everything you're thinking of, any links you can see. You'll be getting PMs from people who agree or disagree, chat with them, based on the impression they make, you may conclude whether they're town-aligned or not, etc. It's significantly easier to analyze when you have someone to bounce ideas off of. Likewise, if you find someone in the thread that comes off as an innocent, or guilty, PM them, see how they react, etc. Experiment, it's a great learning experience! The key is to start and continue posting. This actually also applies to other roles too.
Next up, we have 2 detectives (aka DTs). Let's look at the role description:
Detective You are a super sleuth. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask one of the following, which I will answer: 1. Does X contain a clue? (Where X is part of a Day post) (called a "Clue Check") 2. Does X contain a clue that points to Y? (Where X is part of a Day post and Y is a player's name) (called a "Clue Check") 3. What is Y's role? (Where Y is a player's role) (called a "Role Check")
X can be no larger than one sentence.
A Role Check cannot be done during Night 1. Only 3 Role Checks may be performed per DT per game. The 3rd Role Check cannot be done before Night 5.
What should you do during night 1? First of all, you should act. You have unlimited clue checks (c/c1 and c/c2), and can start during night 1. You also don't have to decide whether to rolecheck (r/c) someone , since you don't have that option. So, pick something that stands out to you, give it a shot. Chances are, you won't get much, given that it's day 1. What are the outcomes?
You do c/c1 or c/c2 and you miss. Tough luck, try again next night.
You do c/c1 and you hit. This is interesting. But probably not worth going indepth about.
If you happen to strike gold with c/c2, this is probably your hardest decision. On one hand, you've nailed a mafia. However, telling us pretty much compromises you in every possible way. First of all, if you post in the thread during day saying "i'm a DT, i c/c2'd this guy and he came up red" (since he can't be vig until night2), we have no choice but to lynch you. Saccing a DT for a mafia? Early on, not the greatest of trades. Of course, that also means if you flip DT, a vigi can claim that they will hit the mafia the next night, we will see the mafia die and get a confirmed townie, incarc, and have something going. Now the trade is a DT for a mafia and another confirmed townie, plus a medic web for the next night. A little more interesting. I would like more feedback on this course of action (this assumes day1/2, not any later days. Those days have the added complication of your c/c2 revealing a vigi instead of a mafia).
If you say this during night, first of all, don't. If you mention this during the night, it only tells the mafia your role, and really tells us nothing. Our medics have no reason to protect you, we gain nothing from the info since vigis can't hit night1. So don't.
For the next nights, how should you structure your R/C's? You have 3 of them, that's actually a lot. Most mafia games don't last too many nights. Just don't waste this on any elected officials (maybe pyrr might let this slide given that we have beginner DTs) because they would just show up as mayor or sheriff. However, I wouldn't just go ahead and use them all up as fast as possible. But, you probably should r/c someone on night 2 or 3. If you hit a townie-aligned role, remember that's no real reason to give away your role. In fact, you never really have a reason to give away any role. If you think it'll help them trusting you though, could be worth it (especially if your r/c reveals another DT)
Next, we got 3 medics. Let's look at the description.
Medic (From Mafia VIII rule writers) You have the ability to prevent one hit on a player of your choice during the night. Each paramedic can only stop one hit and as such if the number of mafia is greater than the number of paramedics on a player then that player will die. You will know if you saved the person. The person will know if he was saved. If you are protecting a veteran, and they are hit, your ability supercedes theirs. You cannot protect yourself. You can protect people starting Night 1.
This is by far the hardest role to play well. Let's break it down, first of all, you can and should act every night. Who should you prot after the elections? I would read through the thread from a mafia's point of view. Ask yourself -- who would you like to die? Who seems like a good candidate to be hit? Make a list, order them by likelyhood of being hit. Then prot someone you like, base it on your gut feeling, or sense of star, or whatever else. Night 1 prots are very hard, but they can also be very critical.
What should you do during the following day? 2 outcomes: Your target didn't get hit. That's good and bad. Good because he was a target that's valuable to town and desirable for mafia to kill (hopefully that's why you decided to prot him), and he lived. Bad because you didn't decrease mafia KP for the night. Either way, don't sweat, start thinking about the next night. Your target did get hit. During night 1, you have a confirmed innocent. Vigis cannot hit during night 1, and mafia may not hit each other, so you're 100% safe in chatting with them. You don't have to necessarily tell them your role (although if you PM them out of the blue (pun intended) with confidence, I'm sure they will figure it out anyway), but use them as another person to bounce ideas off of, knowing that their interests and yours are aligned.
Next, we have 2 vigilantes (aka vigis). Here's the description
Vigilante (Thanks to Mafia VII rule writers) You may, only once during the game, kill a player of your choice during the night. A clue will be left behind just like a mafia killing pointing to you. If your hit overlaps with mafia or another vigilante then I will cancel it and they will kill the person instead. In the case of overlapping vigilantes, the hit that was sent first is the one that goes through. In both cases you will not know who caused your hit to be canceled and you will be able to use your hit anytime after that during the game. You may not use this ability on Night 1. Medic protection may block your hit, and, if it does, you will have used your killing ability.
You can't hit during night1, so sit tight (this doesn't mean sit quiet, like I said earlier, each and every single one of you should be active in the thread).
We also have one veteran (aka vet). You're a townie, really. Just be active, be outspoken, chat with people in and out of the thread. What happens if you get hit? First of all, should you say something? It's a harder decision than it may seem, because think of it from mafia's point of view: they don't know if you're a vet or were protted by medic. So they don't know what happens if they hit you again -- do they waste another hit because you're medic'd, should they stack hits? But then they might waste the stacked hits if you were just a vet. It keeps the mafia guessing, and it's good. On the other hand, if we're trying to reconstruct a kill list, this could be a critical piece of info (a piece of info also easily faked by mafia of course, so limited in its use). Use your judgment, but i wouldn't go around saying that you were hit just yet.
A note on millers: We got 2 of them. You don't know who you are, you just see yourselves as townie. I can't give any advice to you specifically, for obvious reasons. However, this is a note more to the DTs. Keep in mind that millers do exist. r/c'ing someone and flipping mafia isn't guaranteed to make them mafia. Millers are on town's side.
A note on bodyguards (aka BGs): after election, you might get randomly awarded a BG role if you're a townie. Let's look at the description.
Bodyguard Bodyguards are the protectors of the elected roles. As long as they remain alive the Mayor and Sheriff are both immune to all hits during the night. Bodyguards will not know who each other are, the elected roles will not know who they are, and they will be chosen from Townies after the Mayor chooses who to lynch. You show up as Townie for all Rolechecks.
You won't get a list of BGs, the elected officials won't get a list of BGs, you're on your own. You're now a more critical townie but this does not mean you should suddenly be quiet especially if you were active before. That's one of the worst things you can do (being quiet is one of the worst things anyone can do, aside from like, a vigi hitting a medic that would've protted a DT but didn't). You don't really have any power decisions to make, and I wouldn't alter any way you were playing at all.
And finally, we have the 6 mafias and their godfather, for a total of 7 non-town aligned roles. It's fairly easy to play as red, just PM me and mention you're mafia. Obviously I'm going to require proof, and the only way I can think of is to list your teammates (if you think of another way, go for it).
And I guess I will be just as active as everyone else (probably more) after all. TL isn't blocked at work :-) So scratch my earlier statement about that, and perhaps I might become a better candidate in your eyes.
Remember, follow the gold chain of justice to town victory! Vote Now!
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The recent streak of votes for jimtudor cause me to raise an eyebrow when I look at their history and the lack of jimtudor's posts lately. One that I find particularly striking is Phelix. Firstly, he has made 3 posts; the first to discourage clue analysis of day1, and the second and third to do the clue analysis he so dislikes. Moreover, it's 'analysis' designed to confuse townies rather than help them. For instance, look at this paragraph in his latest post:
I've been trying to find the link with decaffeinated coffee with a drumstick, since that's a pretty strong hint, but nothing says it in their profiles or their usernames.
It has already been mentioned in this very thread, multiple times, that this is a running joke among the game hosts and decafchicken's history in mafia. Moreover, it's a well-known fact if you had played or read the previous games. So what's the point of posting this, aside from hoping misinformed/new townies start climbing up the wrong tree? (same question goes to you, raxor2)
Also, I'll address this earlier post made by jimtudor:
Jeejee, I had an eye on you ever since my preliminary clue search but these are so weak that I wanted to wait for one more day and wasn't putting it out. Now, after the echo chamber that you had with ilovektf and quiet support makes me more skeptical.
Meanwhile, downstairs, Qatol was using the Triumvirate Building's spacious archery range for target practice. As he looked down to reload, another figure crossed the room from the other side. The mafioso crept behind Qatol and took out his knife. Qatol never shot another arrow.
Fear is the strongest driving force in competition. Not fear of one's opponent, but of the skill and high standard he represents; fear, too, of not acquitting oneself well. In the achievement of higher performances, of beating formidable rivals, the athlete defeats fear and conquers himself. -Franz Stampfl
Your profile contains pretty much the only reference to athletic competition in the whole game. Franz Stampfl was a famous coach that had somewhat revolutionary ideas for how to train your body and practice for your sport, although he specialized in training runners he also trained other athletes in other fields. He was a noted olympic trainer, got his trainees many golds. The only place where archery is relevant today is athletic competition and the olympics.
I find it interesting that you mention stampfl being the only reference to any athletic competition in this game when your very name is that of a hockey player (a traditionally fast sport). Obviously it's not even close to being a good mafia link, I just wanted to point out the convenient omission on your part.
Moreover, you didn't even state any strategy you would follow as sheriff/mayor or comment on any outlined plans in the thread so far. A good townie should always be reading and trying to figure out holes in potential plans, as well as pointing them out, something you have failed to do.
This bring me to my final point -- I'm sorely disappointed that nobody jumped on my mistake in my analysis of roles. In particular, I have completely ommitted the possibility of godfather when describing what DTs should do if they r/c someone. Obviously they should never reveal their role no matter what the other person flips as, due to gf being in the game. Why was this not brought up? It tells me that either the people who are actively posting (and therefore reading) in the thread either a) aren't careful or b) didn't want to point it out.
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Oh and finally, given that the mayor race is still pretty close, I fully agree with zeks' reasoning for the first lynch choice being therapy:
I choose therapy.
Justification on therapy: His one post:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi guys, just chiming in here so I don't get killed for inactiveness. This is my first mafia game besides playing with about 15 friends around 2 years ago so I'm probably not going to be saying anything too profound. I haven't really been swayed by any of the potential sheriff's speech's so far, they sound reasonably intelligent but don't state anything that's beyond just general knowledge or logic. If I dunno who to vote for should I just abstain or should I take a shot in the dark? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The majority of us have agreed to lynch an inactive for first lynch, and the whole purpose of his one post is so that he won't be on the chopping block for this lynch. It is because of this that makes me suspicious of him. He may have posted once, so it looks like he's better than the ones that haven't posted, but I think his post was as good as nothing. Furthermore, his profile has pretty much one thing to relate clues to: the quote: "Let's start a revolution so I can break some shit." I am linking this to the last part of day 1:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Without warning, his windshield shattered and a wave of glass ripped through LTT's face. Passing out from blood loss, LTT's head slumped, sounding a horn that would not be heard in time. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This isn't the strongest clue, but the links are: "break some shit" -> "windshield shattered and a wave of glass..." "start a revolution" -> "sounding a horn"
So because of those two counts and the majority of us wanting to lynch an inactive, I would thus lynch therapy if I were to be elected mayor.
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On May 20 2009 09:56 l10f wrote: And there are only 3 medics + sheriff + mayor. That's only 5 people that are protected what about the other two?
The point of the medic list isn't for the medics to protect them, however contradicting this might sound. It's simply what the medics themselves should've come up with (or something similar) if they followed my advice by reading the thread from mafia's point of view and deciding who to kill (and consequently, prot). Obviously, if the medics were to blindly protect people on the list, the mafia would blindly.. not hit people on the list, thus negating medic protection completely. The fact that the medic list contains more people than there are medics is irrelevant.
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Lynch is already decided by shikyo. I assume pyrr is writing up the post right now.
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On May 20 2009 12:31 zeks wrote: There is no lynching vote, mayor gets the lynch
I read the rules and I never found anything about ties and what would happen - but most of you say its last vote = Sheriff so I suppose Shikyo is now Mayor. Shikyo probably already sent in his lynch.
5. If there is a tie, the person who reached the number of votes first takes precedence.
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I imagine that's missing a NoClueArea tag, right? Just so nobody wastes time looking in it.
Sucks I guess, (lol@breaking stuff though) hopefully this encourages each and every town-aligned role to start posting more actively.
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There seems to be a bit of confusion over the purpose of the medic list. I'll just try to clear it up, so we're all on the same page.
The medic list is not: -A list of people for medics to protect -A list of people for medics to ignore -A list of people for mafia to hit -A list of people for mafia to ignore
The medic list is: -A list of people deemed important to the town.
What this effectively means is that medics should be considering protecting them, and mafia should be considering hitting them. Obviously mafia can (and likely will) hit one or more people that are not on the list. Our medics, obviously, can also protect one or more people that are not on the list. This is where mindgames begin and I hope our medics will be able to outsmart the mafia in this respect.
Also, in case you were wondering, here's what I'm up to: spending a boatload of time on behavior analysis for mafia viii >_>. No but seriously, I'm mostly waiting for the day post at this point. I have a few things I would like to say, but writing them before daybreak serves no purpose to the town (and may unfavorably alter the mafia kill list).
I guess for now I can end with: Send in your night actions to Pyrr!
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Well well. Stacking hits or a medic prot? (if you're a medic that got a pm from pyrr about a successful protting of X, feel free to chat with X knowing they're townie-aligned as vigis cannot act tonight)
Writing up a post. . .
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Well we have gained a fair amount of information from the flips. Jimtudor's townie/BG. Knowing this we can look at:
63 for jimmy: pawsom, foolishness, wurm, 64 against jimmy: ktf, raxor2, koopie, l10f By itself, this (it's a little excerpt from a summary of my notes) doesn't tell us much, I just thought it was interesting to bring up who was supporting who.
I was going to do a quick dip into the clues, but I just realized how very short this day post was. Yeah there's only two kills, but remember there's 7 mafia. It's likely that not all mafia are represented in this post.
Yeah this is pretty short but I wanted to toss something out there while I iron out a few problems (and while others hopefully take a stab at the clues)
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Ok Firstly, let's discuss the issue of the missing hit. All (almost) the possibilities have been conveniently outlined for me, I just want to discuss what they mean to the town at this point.
A) Stacked Hits: Personally I find this unlikely, but then I thought that mafia hitting jimmy in the first place is pretty unlikely, so who knows, right? Maybe they have a bluesnipe-in-training who was convinced that either softer or jimmy were something more than they actually were. Maybe jimmy was protted and mafia made the right play, etc. Doesn't really matter, our course of action remains the same: analyze clues, throw out accusations, read defences, analyze support, lynch, discuss the outcome.
B) Veteran Hit: Remember when I said it could be useful to post that you've been hit if we're trying to reconstruct the kill list? If you are on the medic list or have been active enough that you feel medics are thinking about protting you, this isn't one of those times. Otherwise, it probably is, but i'm open to others' input.
C) Medic prot: Medic X protected person Y. That means Y is innocent, and X should be chatting with them right about now.
D) The other possibility: This is even less likely than A, but I'd like to throw it out there. It could be possible that they were also convinced that softer's a BG for whatever reason, and popped the third hit on me or Shikyo, which whiffed when softer didn't flip as expected. Functionally speaking, to the town this is no different than possibility A, so nothing more to say here.
To discuss the hits in general, I'd like to reiterate what Shikyo said earlier: that this was a good night for the town. Yeah me and him inch a little closer to potential death, but really, we haven't lost much. So in general, good stuff!
I'll hold off on discussing the current lynch (for a bit) and just throw a message to our vigis out there. You can act next night. So far you don't really have a reason to act, but lynches have a way of giving us a crapload of information that might make it viable to kill night2. Either way, you should PM, say, 2-4 people that you think are innocent (imo the medic list would be a good place to start) of your target if you choose to act but only if you're convinced enough of their guilt that you're willing to die for it. Note that the worst thing that can happen for the town is a fairly restrictive scenario: you pm a mafia that you're hitting a townie that was on their kill list, which they then alter to maximize deaths during the night. Else, you're swingin' (unelss i'm missing something)
Issue of double lynch: this is a toughie. Right now we certainly don't have enough information to warrant one, but by day 3 that could change. We could've lynched and/or vigi'd a red letting us re-read their posts knowing that fact, our DTs can rolecheck by then and try to sway the town, and of course we'll have the night kills to chat about. I want more input on double lynch from you guys -- what do you think?
Also, what the hell are you doing roleclaiming to me, are you retarded?
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I just want to say that I am keeping completely up to date with the thread, I've read everything including the entirety of the msn logs between crate/koops, and i've satisfied my personal thirst for analysis up to may 22 00:00 (after which i made my previous post in the thread iirc)
Just throwing that out there because I won't be able to post for the next 6 hours at least, even though it's primetime. Also, I fully support dlynch now, so please go ahead and vote for that (admittedly I didn't even click on the voting thread yet so if you're already doing that, good job -- I know some are.)
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My main problem with lynching Jayme is that when the wagon started, there was no voices to stem the tide or shift the suspicion on someone else. Like, literally, 0. This town shouldn't agree on anything unanimously, because like 1/4 of the people here are mafia. I wouldn't be surprised (I'm expecting it in fact) if Jayme flips an apathetic townie.
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On May 22 2009 12:50 crate wrote: What day 2 clues are pointing to Jayme? I thought we were still on the "crepuscular" possible clue?
I'd be surprised if Pyrry were using the same people in clues on consecutive days too (though of course more possible links to 1 person = more likely at least one of them is actually real).
At this point though I'd be 1a2a3a'ing through the inactives list if I could. They're only hurting us by staying quiet.
a little birdo told me that crepuscular does not point to jayme.
of course the inactives are hurting us the problem is, there's like ten of them, by the time we're done with them, we're screwed.
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On May 22 2009 13:04 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 13:00 JeeJee wrote:On May 22 2009 12:50 crate wrote: What day 2 clues are pointing to Jayme? I thought we were still on the "crepuscular" possible clue?
I'd be surprised if Pyrry were using the same people in clues on consecutive days too (though of course more possible links to 1 person = more likely at least one of them is actually real).
At this point though I'd be 1a2a3a'ing through the inactives list if I could. They're only hurting us by staying quiet. a little birdo told me that crepuscular does not point to jayme. of course the inactives are hurting us the problem is, there's like ten of them, by the time we're done with them, we're screwed. lol pulling an Ace? Mind to give us a name of someone u want dead?
well, let's throw out a name like l10f. lemme pull up his history 36 27. l10f - bandwagon, puppydog, 'large arg from minute details'(*), against jimmy&the_master, for inactives, votes, no posts 3/5##
comments? (i won't be around to read them i'm going to sleep) we have like what, another 24 hours of day left? ho-hum.
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aaaaaaand i'm now going to sleep i'll let shikyo take over from my doing-nothing-in-the-thread position u_u;
i'll be more vocal in the thread now, esp over the weekend. we really can't afford too many missed lynches unless we yomi the fuck out of the mafia.
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Wombo Combo Plan
K vigis.
Here's what we can do. If you're already intent on hitting a target (there's certainly no lack of suspects: raxor2, pawsom, ilovektf, omg[rayne], zeks, etc) you may do the following: publicly claim your hit before night post. First of all, mafia cannot stop you from making the hit, even if they kill you, hit goes through. Secondly, if you live through the night *and* your target flips mafia, we know you're innocent (because even if you got lucky and managed to maphack your way into the future as a mafiosi, the actual person who made the hit would speak up)
self-correcting "flaws" with this plan: you want to, and end up hitting a non-mafia. that's great, but we can't and won't do anything from there, no matter if you are an actual vigi or a mafia posing as one. make sure to have a good target. flaw fixed.
Another "flaw": mafia claiming as vigi. that's great, but they can't hit mafia, so they can do one of 2 things: target a non-red, hit them, and then we do nothing or they can claim the hit failed. The hit can fail because of a medic or a vet. The medic conundrum: since you're also claiming your target, the medics could know to not protect it, thus if it fails, it's only because of a vet. How can mafia abuse this? Consider that mafia have a person they really want to kill, X. They can have a random mafia claim as vigi, say they want to hit X so that medics do not prot him and have a free shot. A simple solution is to make sure the target makes sense from the town's point of view. another flaw fixed
Final "flaw": vigi dying during the night. well yeah, this one's kind of a given, therefore it will be up to the medics to decide whether to prot the vigi claimor. This could be used by mafia as a ploy to keep the medics busy during the night while they hit some good targets (and one random one as per the 'claim')
And the ultimate "flaw". Vigi claims, vigi hits red, vigi lives through night, we're convinced of vigi's innocence, we pm vigi the roles and the vigi .. turns out to be an idiot. So please don't be an idiot.
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On May 24 2009 07:13 JeeJee wrote: Wombo Combo Plan
K vigis. Here's what we can do. If you're already intent on hitting a target (there's certainly no lack of suspects: raxor2, pawsom, ilovektf, omg[rayne], zeks, etc) you may do the following: publicly claim your hit before night post. First of all, mafia cannot stop you from making the hit, even if they kill you, hit goes through. Secondly, if you live through the night *and* your target flips mafia, we know you're innocent (because even if you got lucky and managed to maphack your way into the future as a mafiosi, the actual person who made the hit would speak up) self-correcting "flaws" with this plan: you want to, and end up hitting a non-mafia. that's great, but we can't and won't do anything from there, no matter if you are an actual vigi or a mafia posing as one. make sure to have a good target. flaw fixed. Another "flaw": mafia claiming as vigi. that's great, but they can't hit mafia, so they can do one of 2 things: target a non-red, hit them, and then we do nothing or they can claim the hit failed. The hit can fail because of a medic or a vet. The medic conundrum: since you're also claiming your target, the medics could know to not protect it, thus if it fails, it's only because of a vet. How can mafia abuse this? Consider that mafia have a person they really want to kill, X. They can have a random mafia claim as vigi, say they want to hit X so that medics do not prot him and have a free shot. A simple solution is to make sure the target makes sense from the town's point of view. another flaw fixed Final "flaw": vigi dying during the night. well yeah, this one's kind of a given, therefore it will be up to the medics to decide whether to prot the vigi claimor. This could be used by mafia as a ploy to keep the medics busy during the night while they hit some good targets (and one random one as per the 'claim') And the ultimate "flaw". Vigi claims, vigi hits red, vigi lives through night, we're convinced of vigi's innocence, we pm vigi the roles and the vigi .. turns out to be an idiot. So please don't be an idiot.
So where you at?
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1-3 hours til night end I presume?
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There's a small chance of teks being mafia -- saccing one of their own to compensate for their suckiness at bluesniping (if enough blue roles get pm'd early on); the problem is that this would also require 2 things: a second inactive vigi who does not speak up fast enough and esben who didn't follow wombo combo (pm'ing peope or publicly announcing his hit -- or managing to pm only mafiosis). Just wanted to point that out although it's extremely unlikely. Given the risk/reward gain here we get from a confirmed innocent, it's a risk I'm willing to take.
So PM teks!
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Ok, I'm waiting on a PM from someone, to throw out the final recommendation vote (i might have to tip my hat to the alphabet man this game after all, obscure reference)
however, for now, please everyone do the following: vote for double lynch and vote for omg[rayne]
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already done crate
also, pm received, decision made to recap, our plan for today
vote for double, shikyo and omg[rayne]
i regret some of the things i've done.. jayme should not have died, and shikyo shouldn't have known as much as he does right now
time to turn this town around and pull out the golden chains of justice oft promised
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On May 26 2009 00:54 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2009 00:36 JeeJee wrote: already done crate
also, pm received, decision made to recap, our plan for today
vote for double, shikyo and omg[rayne]
i regret some of the things i've done.. jayme should not have died, and shikyo shouldn't have known as much as he does right now
time to turn this town around and pull out the golden chains of justice oft promised Nope, don't vote for me. -_- Damn you, we have to hit with BOTH hits to reduce the KP. Even if you hit with the other one, they'll still have the same KP. Don't you realize this? People, don't vote for me. Or maybe you should, for the amusement factor. OH SHIT, HE WAS A GREEN? NO WAY!!! I wonder how you guys will do without me. For now, every time I have tried to stay back and observe, NOTHING has happened. You guys haven't been able to do anything. Do you really want to give the game to the mafia so easily? There are so many suspects that it should be simple enough to select the 2 correct ones, shouldn't it? People who accuse me, I know 4 blues. Why are they all alive? Well, I can explain why 3 of them are alive. Not sure who the 4th one you're referring to is, maybe teks the vigi? If so, I can explain all 4.
Let it go, Shikyo. I didn't believe it either but too many things came together. You were on my innocent list too all the way up until quite recently, if it makes you feel any better.
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ALL THE VOTES FOR CHAOSER ARE CUTE BUT PLEASE STICK TO THE PLAN IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE TOWN ALIGNED, the last thing we need is a frickin' repeat of qatol in mafia vii.
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On May 26 2009 08:35 SugiuraMidori wrote: Hmm... this brings JeeJee out as suspect, perhaps he is mafia and wishes us to get rid of the Sheriff and his ability to sway the votes? It would seem that we need to vote for JeeJee as well at this rate.
Such an angry post is very unlike him. I also see that JeeJee likes these bandwagons and wants them to continue...
@JeeJee:: It is rather unlikely that the same thing that happened with Qatol would repeat itself so soon. Once again.. I see nothing in Shikyo's profile that can help align him with any of the kill-clues, and by now we have had eight kills performed by mafia; assuming that at least one set of clues is a double pointer to mafia as all mafia should have at least one clue pointed to them by now (Pidgeon Hole Principle) this makes it unlikely that Shikyo is suspect.
However, looking at your profile, and how you'd hate to see tears of angst in others.. it could match any of the clues as they've all been attacks from behind which makes it easy for you not to have seen their faces and any possible tears. Additionally all those bits about fear.. You're easily more suspect than Shikyo is.
yes except i'm already a proven townie to the circle. btw you meant mayor not sheriff.
Here's something for you to chew on. Shikyo knows who both of the detectives are (even before teks sent us/him the PM before the zeks hit). So if he's a town-aligned mayor with three very powerful votes (which, as you can see can clearly stop bandwagons if he so chooses, and start new ones on random people like chaoser, but not on people like jayme). Yeah, he's totally fulfilling his campaign promise of not starting bandwagons or ending them. /rolleyes Why doesn't he come forward with this information to the town, and instead generally specifying "i know four blues". Yet we manage to lynch only townies and eight townies have died so far. Moreover, both DTs trust (or trusted, depending) shikyo, but shikyo has not spoken to either DT to make them trust each other, and there is still suspicion there and it took something completely other to make them trust each other and work together. But hey, if they both cluecheck the same fucking clue or rolecheck the same fucking person because they dont know what the other is doing due to lack of trust, that benefits the town right?
NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE IF HE IS TOWN-ALIGNED.
DON'T DEVIATE FROM THE PLAN IF YOU ARE TOWNIE, PLEASE.
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On May 26 2009 08:57 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2009 08:51 JeeJee wrote:On May 26 2009 08:35 SugiuraMidori wrote: Hmm... this brings JeeJee out as suspect, perhaps he is mafia and wishes us to get rid of the Sheriff and his ability to sway the votes? It would seem that we need to vote for JeeJee as well at this rate.
Such an angry post is very unlike him. I also see that JeeJee likes these bandwagons and wants them to continue...
@JeeJee:: It is rather unlikely that the same thing that happened with Qatol would repeat itself so soon. Once again.. I see nothing in Shikyo's profile that can help align him with any of the kill-clues, and by now we have had eight kills performed by mafia; assuming that at least one set of clues is a double pointer to mafia as all mafia should have at least one clue pointed to them by now (Pidgeon Hole Principle) this makes it unlikely that Shikyo is suspect.
However, looking at your profile, and how you'd hate to see tears of angst in others.. it could match any of the clues as they've all been attacks from behind which makes it easy for you not to have seen their faces and any possible tears. Additionally all those bits about fear.. You're easily more suspect than Shikyo is. yes except i'm already a proven townie to the circle. btw you meant mayor not sheriff. Here's something for you to chew on. Shikyo knows who both of the detectives are (even before teks sent us/him the PM before the zeks hit). So if he's a town-aligned mayor with three very powerful votes (which, as you can see can clearly stop bandwagons if he so chooses, and start new ones on random people like chaoser, but not on people like jayme). Yeah, he's totally fulfilling his campaign promise of not starting bandwagons or ending them. /rolleyes Why doesn't he come forward with this information to the town, and instead generally specifying "i know four blues". Yet we manage to lynch only townies and eight townies have died so far. Moreover, both DTs trust (or trusted, depending) shikyo, but shikyo has not spoken to either DT to make them trust each other, and there is still suspicion there and it took something completely other to make them trust each other and work together. But hey, if they both cluecheck the same fucking clue or rolecheck the same fucking person because they dont know what the other is doing due to lack of trust, that benefits the town right? NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE IF HE IS TOWN-ALIGNED. DON'T DEVIATE FROM THE PLAN IF YOU ARE TOWNIE, PLEASE. Huh? I pointed out the detectives to each other. Am I now supposed to make sure they become friendly? Come on, I can't do everything on my own. Maybe they should talk to each other themselves, do I have to babysit everyone?
Thank you for ignoring everything else in the post, I assume you agree with the rest. As for the DTs, from what I've been told, it's a problem when one of them messages the other and the other has not even heard of the first DT's existence. So pointing them out to each other clearly didn't happen (and i'm willing to take the DTs word over yours with respect to this matter, or any matter at this point, really).
And by the way, I also was planning on organizing the town, making sure DT checks dont collide and organizing medics, telling them who to protect etc so they don't protect the same targets. But you guys decided to stop trusting me. You know, maybe I would actually be able to do something if you actually trusted me? It's pretty difficult to do anything when no one listens to me, isn't it?
Yeah, you were planning. How long were you planning to start actually doing it? You had a lot of knowledge even before jayme's lynch. You had definitely more knowledge during the night, and clearly our medics did brilliantly there, we didn't even have to debate over any missing hits!
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I think it is pretty apparent that not lynching Shikyo is going to be like not lynching Qatol. If you haven't voted for Shikyo, please change your vote!
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worth a shot.
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On May 26 2009 11:46 Foolishness wrote: Don't worry it's already too late. This town is screwed.
yes yes it is
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WTS Vexing Gold Chain of Justice Justice +3 Facepalm +1
42mil (willing to trade for a rush to Liquidgrad) PST!!!
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Fuck you guys I'm moving to Liquidgrad.
Enjoy your town, Shikky.
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On May 26 2009 13:15 Foolishness wrote: Honestly this town is so stupid
Honestly this town is so foolish*
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On May 27 2009 11:01 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: NIGHT ENDS IN ONE HOUR g'mornin ^_^
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if lynching mafia was like kills in dota, this town would have a bloodstone charge of negative a billion
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WAY TO RUIN THE 900TH POST WE WERE SAVING FOR FRIGGING PYRRY'S DAY POST
FUGGING MAFIA
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On May 27 2009 12:59 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: I'm still baffled as to why JeeJee was in this game and not invited to the other game tbh..
Waiting for the night post, hoping to see my blood smeared on the walls.
i was afk in mafia vii and you're livin' thru the night obv
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aight, i guess i'll go to sleep barring any new post in the next 5 minutes, it looks like i'll have to put off my uhh.. shall we say, comments, for a little while ^_^
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On May 27 2009 22:14 teks wrote: JeeJee found Pawsom -> Possum, I found pouch -> possum. Cooperation!
Cooperation indeed you dead, dead little man. =(
On May 27 2009 22:53 teks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2009 22:48 motbob wrote:Also, this has got to be the most pliable clue in the deck right now: Deep underneath Fluidville, So no fek was searching the depths of the town's sewer system for traces of mafia activity. Holding a blazing torch aloft to find his way forward, he slowed as he heard a sound like the shuffling of pages. He peered around the corner and saw an empty desk, then looked down to see the blade that had pierced his rib cage from behind. So no fek tried to turn to at least get a glimpse of his killer, but he couldn't muster the energy as the blade slipped back out of his chest. I was sure it was Judge, but obviously not. Any ideas? I have no idea who that points to. But the clue has to be one (or more) of these words: sewers, pages(book), desk. I'm also pretty amazed that we have made no progress on the salesman/cannonseller. Seems so easy to figure out, yet it's not :p
Yeah the salesman/cannonseller dude is cute. He also appears in day 3 too, in "So, when his front door opened to reveal an odious figure soaked with the stench of death" i think. The connection here is the front door entry, imo (or maybe pyrry's lacking in the imagination department! )
This gotta be obvious, but running down my slick 9 people list that contains 7 mafia (rofl odds) I'm still seeing nada.
but yeah, that mew catching clue probably points to that dude with pokemon in his quote, chaoser? at this point pyrry's probably giving mafia away on a silver platter so i wouldn't look too hard. the odious stench of death = shikyo, the crucifix dude = raxor2, the mew dude = chaoser, pouch at the waist = pawsom and so on.
i can cluecheck some of those for confirmation if you like but they're pretty frigging obvious if you ask me oops was that a roleclaim? oh well, i claimed eariler in the thread anyway. plus if mafia are searching for my last bodyguard, they're barking up the completely wrong tree. but at this rate they'll have climbed every fugging tree in the forest anyway.
but yeh go lynch pawsom/raxor2, im coo with that
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On May 28 2009 03:31 Shikyo wrote: what the, you have a list of 9 people, one of which being me, so we have 7/8 mafia there? O_o Really shouldn't screw this one up...
yep except townies are too silly to vote for you, and would rather vote for pawsom who is less solid.
except they should probably consider the fact that there's 7 mafia with 9 votes. there's 13 townies, but only ten votes since 3 are basically afk, the bastards. assuming we can come to a full consensus, or near-full and some of the mafia might be inactive, we have an advantage this day
but uhh, not tomorrow! especially not if the modkills go through. at which point we'll uhh call gg.
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well, by 'we' i mean the rest of the town i'm already on the train to liquidgrad
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oh wait nevermind there's only 11 townies now gg ff
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On May 28 2009 03:31 Shikyo wrote: what the, you have a list of 9 people, one of which being me, so we have 7/8 mafia there? O_o Really shouldn't screw this one up...
oh yeah btw it's 6/8 with you
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On May 28 2009 13:32 SugiuraMidori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 12:14 Foolishness wrote: Is this thread dead? There's roughly 2 posts per hour. I think you've done a good job of scaring off all of the mafia from talking in addition to JeeJee scaring off the town from helping us kill the mafia. hey, i told you who to vote for but you decided to wagon with shikyo-the-innocent and lynch a medic instead good job.
go ask him for some more guidance, maybe you can lynch the other medics today
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damn u's annoying foolishness. im throwing ur ass in jail, enjoy your dt powers (or lack thereof). do not pass Go. do not collect $200. go straight to jail
kthxbai
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On May 29 2009 05:18 Elemenope wrote: STOP HAVING FAULTY OPINIONS SHINBI!
dont' make me throw your ass in jail too
also my namechange request was ignored u_u maybe i'll pm hotbid
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oh i've seen this before the black dude always dies first
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ok just cluechecked the scarlet embarrassment death release sentence at shikyo and got a positive
in case someone needed even MORE convincing on what to do tomorrow..
here's hoping we block a hit or two tonight
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it's ok ill be in charge of medics tonight unlike some noob that's in jail at the moment who fails. hard. i'll yomi the fuck out of mafia and only one hit will land observe.
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On May 29 2009 12:55 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2009 12:50 JeeJee wrote: it's ok ill be in charge of medics tonight unlike some noob that's in jail at the moment who fails. hard. i'll yomi the fuck out of mafia and only one hit will land observe. Regardless of whether Shikyo is mafia, you're one of the main reasons the town lost
you're in jail visiting hours are over
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On May 29 2009 20:10 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2009 12:28 JeeJee wrote: ok just cluechecked the scarlet embarrassment death release sentence at shikyo and got a positive
in case someone needed even MORE convincing on what to do tomorrow..
here's hoping we block a hit or two tonight Wait, I'm confused. Is this a lie? Do millers actually have clues? Does Pyrr have some clues pointing at innocents? I'm going with "it's a lie". There's no way you would clue check instead of role check at this point. You're just too obsessed with me being mafia that you're willing to lie about clue checking me, in your opinion doing the right thing in making the town believe in you. Maybe you wish to be a hero, and in the case you're right, you will forever be remembered as the ballsy guy who performed a lie to make the town believe in you, about the thing you were sure about. Sadly, that's just bullshit. Also, if you didn't notice, I voted for 2 mafia tonight. You did not.
are you retarded? "there's no way you would clue check instead of rolecheck at this point"
ooh ooh here's an idea i can't use my 3rd rolecheck until next night! dumby for someone who's an elected, you could at least read the rules
its also why that idiot's in jail, because if all the stars align (mafia please don't hit teks tonight) we might actually have enough votes next night where he too, can rolecheck. and it makes things easier on our medics too, whove been wasting prots on him *cough* speaking of them, they still haven't gotten back to meeee so maybe i won't be in charge of medics after all, barring some PMs in the next few hours
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On May 29 2009 22:31 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2009 22:00 JeeJee wrote:On May 29 2009 20:10 Shikyo wrote:On May 29 2009 12:28 JeeJee wrote: ok just cluechecked the scarlet embarrassment death release sentence at shikyo and got a positive
in case someone needed even MORE convincing on what to do tomorrow..
here's hoping we block a hit or two tonight Wait, I'm confused. Is this a lie? Do millers actually have clues? Does Pyrr have some clues pointing at innocents? I'm going with "it's a lie". There's no way you would clue check instead of role check at this point. You're just too obsessed with me being mafia that you're willing to lie about clue checking me, in your opinion doing the right thing in making the town believe in you. Maybe you wish to be a hero, and in the case you're right, you will forever be remembered as the ballsy guy who performed a lie to make the town believe in you, about the thing you were sure about. Sadly, that's just bullshit. Also, if you didn't notice, I voted for 2 mafia tonight. You did not. are you retarded? "there's no way you would clue check instead of rolecheck at this point" ooh ooh here's an idea i can't use my 3rd rolecheck until next night! dumby for someone who's an elected, you could at least read the rules its also why that idiot's in jail, because if all the stars align (mafia please don't hit teks tonight) we might actually have enough votes next night where he too, can rolecheck. and it makes things easier on our medics too, whove been wasting prots on him *cough* speaking of them, they still haven't gotten back to meeee so maybe i won't be in charge of medics after all, barring some PMs in the next few hours Why are you lying, then?
lol. you're confirmed mafia, everything you say at this point is irrelevant
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why are you still talking shikyo
to satisfy your curiosity though, i've always pm'd pyrr right after he makes his lynch posts because i know he's online. and he always answers in a matter of minutes (props to him for that)
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On May 30 2009 11:14 motbob wrote: Look
We have to go on the assumption that Shikyo isn't mafia, because if he is, the mafia has enough straight up voting power to win automatically. There is zero point in lynching him.
you're kidding me right? he's confirmed mafia and he should be lynched, period. there's never a reason to not lynch a confirmed mafia, ever.
hell knows what'll happen with the votes, it's possible that mafia may not have more voting power than town. it's also possible that some mafia may afk from voting. I'll tell you whats not possible though: shikyo being town-aligned.
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woooow i can't believe i'm reading this but rofl
@chaoser i'm already a confirmed dt. unless of course i go around randomly guessing people's roles correctly. repeatedly.
@shikyo actually there's one more possibility - the OBVIOUS ONE. you being mafia and lying. ohmigosh a lying mafia, i didn't know they existed!
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also, where's the night post fwiw i only had input on one medic prot. consequently i'm expecting 2 hits to land provided i yomi'd correctly
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@foolishness for a detective you sure know very little about detective abilities, eh?
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foolishness i hope you realize that a cluecheck flipping positive holds more certainty than a rolecheck flipping positive with millers in the game, right?
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of course not, since you're being an idiot way to misunderstand basic detective abilities
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On May 30 2009 14:19 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2009 14:12 crate wrote:(from OP) Detective You are a super sleuth. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask one of the following, which I will answer: 1. Does X contain a clue? (Where X is part of a Day post) (called a "Clue Check") 2. Does X contain a clue that points to Y? (Where X is part of a Day post and Y is a player's name) (called a "Clue Check") 3. What is Y's role? (Where Y is a player's role) (called a "Role Check")
X can be no larger than one sentence.
A Role Check cannot be done during Night 1. Only 3 Role Checks may be performed per DT per game. The 3rd Role Check cannot be done before Night 5. This leads me to think that JeeJee's been spending his abilities trying to find a specific clue leading to Shikyo. If that's true, what a waste. I wish we could have gotten some confirmed mafia earlier. edit: wording change
i c/c first night, r/c nights 2 and 3, c/c night 4
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haha
it's okay, still 2 hits
anyway lynch candidate(s) should be frigging obvious: shikyo and someone like wurm. we also have 2 rolechecks available for night5, all we need is for one mafia to not vote and we are cool.
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hey that's right i called that prot! hi5 crate :-)
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LOL ACE, MYNOCK, ETC.
i told you he was just a bad townie rofl I TOLD YOU YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS FOR NEXT GAME LMNOP RIGHT? LOL
oh yeah and my innocent list on day 1 is 8/8, gg.
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oh yeah no hard feelings shikyo, i was just executing the will of others
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On May 31 2009 04:14 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2009 04:12 JeeJee wrote:oh yeah no hard feelings shikyo, i was just executing the will of others Tsk, you just played bad!
this coming from you is pretty hilarious
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lol townies have no reason to lie, while that's all that mafia does it's kinda how you tell mafia from townies, last i checked.
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On May 31 2009 06:49 chaoser wrote: my plan to stand up for shikyo totally worked lol. Totally thought the Mew clue was straight for me and yet no one lynched me for it cause I did something everyone thought a mafia would never do. The way I went about it though was that a mayor under attack by the town when he is a townie and then supported by mafia (me, midori, etc.) would be way more useful than a dead one. gg though town.
no the mew clue wasn't for you
and lol @ wurm means dragon, dragon breathe fire hence the flamethrower -_-; and another lol @ stabbing in chest = piercing heart
see the problem with that is if you look at it from a townie's perspective if i say "oh stabbing in the chest points to l10f because heart is in the chest and his quote has an emoticon <3 which represents heart", or "wurm means dragon, dragons breathe fire hence the flamethrower" nobody's going to take it seriously.
either way, if you're doing a cluebased mafia i think it's a problem when some mafia don't have any clues until day 4 (considering day 1 clues are widely considered to be too obscure and useless). just my 2c
and @ shikyo my lying was justified because the game was essentially over at that point but lying when the game is, you know, just started, or day 2 is -_-;
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the cleanest solution is s/he usually as that requires the least extra characters but he works even better.
On May 31 2009 07:47 Qatol wrote:How about asshats? That one seems to have worked wonders for you
shut up hog-humper (courtesy of insults.net)
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who likes my new angel in my sig? <3
also, i'll give mafiascum games a whirl i still think tracil hosted the best set up game on TL, someone should emulate it :p (not in terms of the SCness but in most everything else like no clues, 1kill, hidden roles, etc.)
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On May 31 2009 07:55 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2009 07:06 Ace wrote:Shikyo there were a few reasons I told JeeJee and Elemenope you had to be mafia: 1.) didn't stop bandwagoning 2.) you were Mayor and yea...why didn't you let the town know early you knew both DTs? 3.) who were you investigating all this time? 4.) you lied v_v 5.) also when only townies die and no mafia a guy who can't be rolechecked would be a top suspect. You claimed you'd be a responsible Mayor...so when all innocents die it kinda falls to you now doesn't it? There are a few reasons why you shouldn't affect the game from outside 1.) It ruins the game.
i dunno about that, how can we trust you? maybe you're lying, a typical townie tactic!
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On May 31 2009 08:20 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2009 08:18 Foolishness wrote:On May 31 2009 08:05 Ace wrote: I don't know man.
I'm sitting on Garena teamchat and JeeJee and Elemenope says you're useless.
I stopped reading the thread so I just asked some basic questions(this happened over a few days):
Did you find any mafia? No How many townies died? a lot I find out that Shikyo tells JeeJee to investigate Foolishness, and finds him a DT. Shikyo knows both DTs but doesn't tell the town even though he's invincible (doing this would be a good mafia pressure tactic). Foolishness doesn't believe JeeJee is a legit DT, and Shikyo is apparently doing nothing about this. Knowing BOTH DTs and being invincible you still can't find ONE solid person to investigate after your mayoral campaign was pretty much putting the town on your back.
After all this info I just said you had to be mafia or completely retarded.
Oh well pick your poison huh?
I only didn't believe JeeJee a DT until he rolechecked me. This occurred because we checked the same clue during the first night. JeeJee made a post about a birdie telling him that the clue wasn't pointing to anyone. At the time, this meant to me that Shikyo told JeeJee what clue I checked (since the chance we actually checked the same clue is very low). Why Shikyo would give away my role to JeeJee made no sense. Furthermore, JeeJee kept PMing me calling me a birdie. Thus it seemed that JeeJee knew my role even though I never talked to him. It also took JeeJee about twenty PM's before he finally admitted he was the DT and rolechecked me, even after Shikyo told me. And Shikyo, Ace cannot just play the games he's in. Did you not see Ace's recent performance? He sucked. Oh, so it was JeeJee who failed to tell you he was a DT? Why doesn't this surprise me in the slightest?
yeah no this wasn't the case. i told him i was a dt on about the third PM, and he still failed to provide me with any information. you both failed this game. hard. all it would've taken is for shikyo to pm foolishness and tell him that i'm a confirmed dt durrrrrrr
also foolishness, you calling anyone terrible players is pretty hilarious considering how shitty you played until about day 3 where it stopped mattering whether you step your game up or not
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On May 31 2009 10:05 Shikyo wrote: We could have lynched Paw and l10f if people had actually listened and certain people hadn't demanded me being lynched. Also, JeeJee played far worse than me in an elected position(note, he told everyone to lynch pretty much only townies), so... I don't get Ace. BF4Life always plays well, I guess.
lol. i told you guys why jayme isn't mafia, but basically the only way to stop the bandwagon was to have YOU vote for someone else it was on YOUR shoulders.
and hey, at least i played my role in a pro-town way. you know, unlike some people (you and foolishness come to mind)
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