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Foolishness
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On May 28 2009 07:55 motbob wrote: oh you've got to be kidding me I think your lack of response says a lot. Seriously does nobody else agree with me on this? It's clear we got another mafia in the bag. And l10f, you're doing the town a disservice by not voting, it's also kinda suspicious, but I'm pretty sure you are clean. | ||
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I am the detective. I have orchestrated events in the past 24 hours in order to try to lure out mafia (such as the accusement of motbob). Due to the recent inactivity, it is necessary for me to come out. It is important you listen to me because I AM YOUR ONE CHANCE FOR TOWN TO WIN. Nobody else believes it is possible, but I can make it possible. From all the intel I have gathered, mostly working with teks here, it is reasonable to assume that these 5 people are mafia: ydg, wurm, pawsom, l10f, phelix. I know all of the blue roles, the only way this list is wrong is if these guys are townspeople. I am the detective that inspected l10f and got a thumbs up. Because his behavior is very suspicious I have sure he is actually mafia and not a miller. The reason there is not a heavy movement against him is because most of the other blue roles think he is mafia. I will outline my arguments against him later. The important thing that we learn is that Ra.Xor.2 IS NOT MAFIA!. This is evident due to his inactivity. The past 3 days, all the mafia has done is sit around and watch the townspeople kill themselves. In all three town decisions, somebody was lynched due to "suspicious inactivity". The case is exactly the same with Ra.Xor.2. Jayme even admitted it that he felt there was no point in defending himself so he didn't. I am sure Ra.Xor.2 feels the same way. I know lots of you believe that "clues point to Ra.Xor.2". I think we can all agree that behavior and voting analysis says a lot more than relying on ambiguous clues of which we know absolutely nothing about (especially because this is Pyrry's first game). Thus it is important we do not take this stuff for granted (as we have in the past). If we keep sitting around like we have been this entire day mafia are going to win!. I am the only chance we have left to win. As l10f has convieniently laid out for us we need to lynch two mafia otherwise it's gg. Lynching Ra.Xor.2 is just fitting into the mafia plan. Even if Pawsom is mafia they can afford to sacrifice one person. Although most of the evidence against Pawsom is based on clues, I have found some interesting posts about him: On May 20 2009 18:02 Pawsom wrote: I don't know dude. Seems like a waste to me. If we double lynch on day 2, we still might not be sure, or close enough to sure about certain players. Also, how does that give us a higher chance of hitting red? We'll have a higher chance once there are less players, and once we have more clues. obviously double lynches help the townspeople, as it gives more chances to kill a mafia. Lack of wanting to kill mafia is .... Most of Pawsom's posts after the first day consist of him trying to pinpoint clues to people. However notice how he usually states things that have already been noticed by other players. Although it may seem like he is contributing, he is not; he's just restating things to appear like he's a helpful townsperson. I would like to point attention now to ydg. His recent posting is up for suspicion. On May 28 2009 07:48 ydg wrote: Okay I finally caught up, wow so much has happened, good thing I wasn't killed. My first impressions: wow at the mafia hitting. Mafia is basically shooting itself by killing mostly greens and hitting protected peoples, even though we lynched a medic. Do you really think mafia is shooting itself? By hitting unsuspected people, the mafia have avoided medic saves (except last night) and now we are in quite a rut. The mafia is so close to winning right now. In addition, ydg also took a long time to roleclaim to teks. His recent posts about the clues is useless to the town, same with Pawsom's attempt to analyze past days' posts. l10f is also guilty of mafia behavior. As I said he for sure came up mafia in the role check. teks is convinced he's a miller based on a list l10f sent him. It looks like this: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is in order of whom I think is most likely to be mafia to the least 1. Chaoser <- I think his is definite 2. Ra.Xor.2 <- If he roleclaimed townie, I'm pretty sure 3. wurm <- Clues pointing to him a lot 4. epicdoom <- see my past post on him 5. clazziquai 6. phelix the bottom two I'm not too sure of. Good luck. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can tell you for sure, based on the numbers, at least 3 people on the list have to be mafia. What's the point in sending this list to teks? teks already knows nearly everybody's roles. Not to mention teks is not going to do anything about this. If he had posted it in thread with actual evidence, it would be a different story. Not to mention his opinions on each person are rather simple. "I think his is definite", "clues pointing to him a lot" hold absolute no meaning. Why he send a list to teks then? He wants to appear that he is indeed trying to help the town by thinking of a list of suspicions. He knows teks knows nearly everything, and put his own comrades on it to not look suspicious. Had he sent a list with just three people on it, it'd probably be safe to assume those three people are not mafia. Instead he tried to hide. Furthermore look at this post On May 27 2009 14:36 l10f wrote: If we can't lynch two mafias today.. It'll really take a miracle. 11 7 10 6 7 6 7 5 5 5 5 4 3 4 This is so difficult, especially with both millers living. The town has a good chance of winning if Shikyo is not Mafia and we get two mafia kills today. My shot's on chaoser and Ra.Xor.2, but willing to wait for other people's opinions. Some of you think I'm mafia, and I don't have much defence except that the clues that people pointed at me are very loose and weak. We can do it! We just have to get two mafias, and hope that Shikyo isn't one. If he is one, I believe it's too late anyway to change anything. Your call. The only useful thing is the countdown, which I might add we have already figured out multiple times. See a pattern? Notice how he keeps repeating things already said "millers living...need two mafia kills today". He refuses to defend himself, saying all the clues are "weak". At the end, he posts a "We can do it!", almost sarcastic. His talks about Shikyo mean nothing. Overall he is not contributing at all to the town. Most of his other posts are lacking in anything useful, most of the time merely restating something already been said. In one post he even says On May 23 2009 10:59 l10f wrote: I have been completely useless to this game, mostly because I'm afraid to speak out with my ideas, and all the good ones are given by the experienced player, so I just agree with them, or state my simple, humble opinion. From tomorrow I'll try to take time to make some analysis as well and contribute to the town. I think this screams mafia more than anything. He doesn't want to say anything at all, and this coincides with the mafia strategy: sit back and watch the town kill themselves. He says he'd try to contribute to the town, we know that didn't happen. The recent accusation against motbob was to try to see if any other mafia would take the bait. So far, wurm is the only one who did. I am suspicious of him as well. Summary: We cannot lynch Ra.Xor.2. So far we have only lynched townspeople, and they all have the same "there's nothing I can do" attitude. This time we can learn from our mistakes. l10f, ydg, Pawsom are for sure mafia. Wurm is suspicious as well. It's important we vote two mafia tonight. By listening to me, the town can win. | ||
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Foolishness
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On May 25 2009 18:11 wurm wrote: Whew, that was a lot of reading. Thoughts so far: I admit, I do find Shikyo's behavior very strange. Especially during Day 2 voting. He is one of our 2 elected officials and he has a lot of sway, he could've swayed the vote away from Jayme, if he wanted to. His accusation list is also concerning. 2 out of 8 people he has accused has flipped green. On to the voting thread, I found it strange that omG.[RaYnE] was the first to vote, on iLoveKTF. No explanation, not even a post here to explain why he picked iLoveKTF for the lynch. I want to help by going on clue and behavior analysis, but a lot of you guys are especially good at it and what i want to say has already been said. So yeah. Outside of not saying anything useful, his last paragraphy is very interesting. He wants to help the town but he's not since apparently 'we're doing a good job'. Notice the similarity to l10f's post in my previous post. Both say that they don't talk because everything they want to say has already been said. Then notice that when they do post, it is exactly this that they post: things that have been already said. The correlation between all these people should say enough. | ||
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On May 27 2009 14:58 Phelix wrote: There must be a medic protection from last night. So we still have a shot at winning today if we get two mafias. Clue Analysis! Well, the clues on chaoser are very obvious, with the Pokemon and ninja reference. The blond hair reference probably refers to epicdoom's poll of women. This reference refers to religion, and Ra.Xor.2 is the best fit for that clue. This reference could refer to epicdoom's nationality of India, known for their strong odors (food). This might be a stretch of the clues. Then the murderer used explosives instead to kill vx70GTOJudgexv. Seems to me that this could refer to someone has an icon that deals explosive or splash damage. Again, this might be a stretch. To fellow townies that have surrendered/inactive: There is still a shot for the town to win! Your votes could stop the mafia from bandwagoning. Posting more will separate the townies from the mafia, drawing them out so that we can lynch them. If Ra.Xor.2 is townsperson like I believe he is, then why does everyone who I suspect keep wanting to kill him? It's because he is not mafia and by lynching him the mafia will win. Also notice the same encouragement given by l10f in his statement. He wants to stop the mafia from bandwagoning, well if look at the votes that's exactly what is happening, with or without the mafia's influence. He wants us to post more in order to draw out mafia, and that's REALLY been happening hasn't it guys? On May 25 2009 20:33 Shikyo wrote: Phelix. He's been inactive for a while. But know what's strange? around 5:30am on May 23 I sent him a PM asking if he was a blue and got a response in just a few hours. So he was around then. He said that he would be more active if I wanted him to, and told me he was a townie. I told him that thought that he wasn't mafia, and then he just disappeared. So it actually seems like he's mafia to me. I don't think I need to do much explaining... On May 23 2009 14:10 Phelix wrote: The reason I voted for Jayme was that I believed in the fellow townies clue analysis. With regards to lynching, of course we want to lynch mafia. But if there are only a few clues that point to the mafia, the only other response is to lynch inactive townies, because they do not contribute, even if they are blue. Inactive townies help the mafia more by giving the mafia cover and hiding amongst the inactives, thus not narrowing down the list of mafia. As we can easily see, lynching inactive townies IS BAD FOR TOWNSPEOPLE. This entire game has been trying to lynch inactive townspeople and missing, as the mafia sit back and watch us scramble with nothing to go on. Phelix has practically given out their mafia plan. As with Phelix, and everybody else I have thus mention, they have all posted clue analysis which has already been said. Clue analysis is all in all useless anyways, as I laid out in my previous argument. All these people try clue analysis and post things repeatedly or don't say much about it at all. This is blantly obvious, but if you need me to I can point out specific posts from all my suspects thus far. | ||
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Foolishness
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Do you remember what happened the past 3 lynches when we tried to get a supposed mafia? Every time the person was inactive because they "gave up" and thought it was hopeless. Ra.Xor.2 is exactly the same. I'm relatively certain he's just an innocent townie like the rest. And anyways we have more convincing evidence against other people. I base all my analysis off of behavior, which is a lot more convincing than clues. We tried to base our other lynches off of clues and look at what happened. There's still a chance Ra.Xor.2 is mafia. Just given our desperate situation we need to go with the most likely. Taking chances like this is going to lose us the game. | ||
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On May 29 2009 02:38 motbob wrote: Shouldn't you have said this when like i don't know we were deciding who to lynch? I have been saying this the entire game. I have never been on the bandwagon vote because it's plainly obvious that all those people were townspeople (Rayne, Jayme, etc). You're supposed to learn from your mistakes not keep making them. | ||
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On May 29 2009 04:08 motbob wrote: Everyone you suspect has voted for Pawsom, too. Should we take our votes off of him? It's more important to take votes of Ra.Xor.2 right now. Ideally, yes we should. I have not voted for Pawsom either for good reasons. | ||
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On May 29 2009 04:30 JeeJee wrote: damn u's annoying foolishness. im throwing ur ass in jail, enjoy your dt powers (or lack thereof). do not pass Go. do not collect $200. go straight to jail kthxbai =( | ||
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On May 29 2009 09:52 motbob wrote: WTF IS GOING ON Can someone please explain why everyone is spreading out their votes? What the hell? I hope you guys are on at midnight to fix whatever the mafia try to pull. Did you not read my long gigantic posts? I basically figured out half the mafia. And I don't think killing Ra.Xor.2 is the best option right now. If anything is clear, its that we are not currently voting for two mafia. | ||
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Foolishness
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I told you guys WHAT TO DO! DONT VOTE FOR RA.XOR.2!!! Change to l10f, who is confirmed mafia, rather than Ra.Xor.2, who is just speculation. The lack of mafia freaking out indicates that we are not killing two mafia. Pawsom seems more likely mafia than Ra.Xor.2, so I'm willing to bet Ra.Xor.2 is not mafia. crate and JeeJee are easily the reasons this is a town loss. The whole Shikyo is mafia is beyond ridiculous. What should happen is this: tonight: town lynches l10f and pawsom: 2 mafia down. Night: Assume mafia get two kills: Tomorrow: lynch ydg and phelix From there with 4 mafia down we got the game in the bag. It will be easy to narrow down the remainders, especially considering wurm is probably mafia. If a few more townspeople die we will know who is left. Then it is gg mafia. | ||
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On May 29 2009 11:59 motbob wrote: If you're so high on behavioral analysis then look up l10f's posting history. It's clear he's a Miller. ...did you not read any of my long posts up above? | ||
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gg mafia | ||
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On May 29 2009 12:50 JeeJee wrote: it's ok ill be in charge of medics tonight unlike some noob that's in jail at the moment who fails. hard. i'll yomi the fuck out of mafia and only one hit will land observe. Regardless of whether Shikyo is mafia, you're one of the main reasons the town lost | ||
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On May 18 2009 14:48 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: The game is very imbalanced toward the mafia unless town members speak up to drown out the mafia's mischievous voices and votes. gj town | ||
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On May 29 2009 15:31 motbob wrote: Guys, it's over. Mafia has 8 voting power, town has 7. Tomorrow we will have 6 or less. Pyrr, stop the game please. and who's fault is that huh? | ||
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