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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 17 2009 01:53 GMT
#238
On May 17 2009 09:46 Mynock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2009 09:33 L wrote:
Look at people's posting histories, determine what role they're likely playing and why they're acting in the way that they are. Extrapolate from there.

This is how nearly all of the blues were gutted last game. You can start turn 1. We did. It worked.


Are you seriously suggesting an "every Townie for himself" deal here? Great for you that you're such a brilliant mastermind, but I have a feeling that vast majority of Town isn't limping around popping Vicodin all day.



rofl
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 18 2009 02:33 GMT
#532
On May 18 2009 11:25 Mynock wrote:
Oh, forgot, why lynch nemY? I have said this a thousand times and will say it once more: confusion is BAD for the Town. nemY provided PLENTY of it. Look at the process of the elections. It was turned upside down with his help, and that's not a good thing. Also, he was lying. He might have innocent motives behind it, but he's just not helping his own cause nor Town. Even IF he is who he claims he is, he made some bad moves, and as a distraction, is best removed. If he turns out blue, that's too bad, but it's still better than lynch anybody on a hunch or random chances.


why not protect him with medics, get him to do a role check and post it and then kill him after?

That way if hes blue at least you get something out of it, and if hes mafia, he'll still be killed. It doesnt make a lot of sense to make him your first day lynch. If you lynch him first day and he turns out blue, I will be HIGHLY suspicious of you.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 18 2009 03:07 GMT
#551
On May 18 2009 11:40 Tricode wrote:
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On May 18 2009 11:33 fusionsdf wrote:
On May 18 2009 11:25 Mynock wrote:
Oh, forgot, why lynch nemY? I have said this a thousand times and will say it once more: confusion is BAD for the Town. nemY provided PLENTY of it. Look at the process of the elections. It was turned upside down with his help, and that's not a good thing. Also, he was lying. He might have innocent motives behind it, but he's just not helping his own cause nor Town. Even IF he is who he claims he is, he made some bad moves, and as a distraction, is best removed. If he turns out blue, that's too bad, but it's still better than lynch anybody on a hunch or random chances.


why not protect him with medics, get him to do a role check and post it and then kill him after?

That way if hes blue at least you get something out of it, and if hes mafia, he'll still be killed. It doesnt make a lot of sense to make him your first day lynch. If you lynch him first day and he turns out blue, I will be HIGHLY suspicious of you.



I don't really think he should have protection. He fucked up bad. We shouldn't be wasting our resources on him imo. What if he turns to be the traitor?

The whole point is, Nemy fucked up bad and there is a price to pay for that. Is his role that so important that we should give him a medic instead of someone else that could be more valuable? We only get 2 you know.

In either case, Nemy looks like he will either get lynched or killed off by mafia. if he doesn't w/e he could still be traitor or we can use his R/Cs and C/Cs as fast as we can. (if he is DT, this is not a guarantee)

If he is DT, then mafia basically have to waste all their killing power to kill him....we dont neccessarily have to protect him I guess, but what about this?

-medics do whatever the fuck they want to. They might protect nemy, they might protect someone else whatever.
-we leave nemy alive. At least this way mafia is forced to kill him and use up a hit if hes innocent. If we were to lynch him first night and hes innocent, we basically just gave mafia extra KP since now they dont have to kill nemy.
-if he somehow stays alive, we get him to do a roleclaim on someone and give us the results.
-we kill him some point after that.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 18 2009 22:41 GMT
#691
how can I have a 67% chance of being mafia and a 70% chance of not being mafia?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 20 2009 03:09 GMT
#1049
can someone say why its definitive that one is mafia? I don't trust either, which is why I didnt vote for them, but I missed what changed between people trusting them and voting them in and people saying they must be mafia.

Why did people trust them in the first place? Why dont they trust them now?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 20 2009 03:10 GMT
#1051
On May 20 2009 11:29 Showtime! wrote:
I just want to know when voting ends.

I have to be up at 4AM EST tomorrow. I won't be back until 5PM EST. :/

Landscaping pff.


At least you have a job. I would kill just for a landscaping job
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 20 2009 03:18 GMT
#1056
Ace suggesting to lynch ver tells us absolutely nothing.

Case 1:
Ace is innocent, Ver is mafia
-Ace suspects ver naturally and is right

Case 2:
Ace is innocent, Ver is innocent
-Ace suspects ver naturally and is wrong

Case 3:
Ace is mafia, Ver is mafia
-Mafia ploy. Ver is lynched, town automatically assumes Ace is innocent, mafia can now abuse that trust.

Case 4:
Ace is mafia, Ver is innocent
-Ace says he was convinced. You have no way to tell this isn't case 2 until Ace is lynched. 2 days wasted, loss of all elected officials results.

Ace is a very good player, particularily at occlumency (for someone who never read the books, I really enjoyed the movies). He's not going to be easy to read whether mafia or town, and hes not going to allow himself to be backed into a corner where his play is predicitve (when he is mafia for obvious reasons, when he is innocent for the sake of future games)
-Ace suspects ver naturally and is wrong
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 20 2009 03:21 GMT
#1062
how are you planning to coordinate vigi hits? Just have every vigi go after one person?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 20 2009 03:47 GMT
#1086
The question is how will you decide Ace is guilty?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 20 2009 15:47 GMT
#1129
On May 20 2009 22:18 Mynock wrote:
L, you ignore behaviour almost completely. No, mechanical doesn't work. It's stupid and convoluted. We're not here to lynch half the Town. It's Mafia's job to kill innocents, we must concentrate on killing Mafia. At the same time, we have to minimize collateral damage. There are prime suspects right now, above Ace, and I'd rather not lose Ace just yet.

The solution is so fucking simple: Lynch Ver. If he's innocent, we can Vigi Ace easily (and you don't even have to endure another Pardoner nightmare again, hey!). If he's Mafia, we go after other prime Mafia suspects (like Plexa and co.)

Simple stuff, but requires a bit of logical thinking before. As opposed to convoluted paranoid stuff with no thinking behind it (or rather overthinking certain stuff, completely ignoring other).


woah woah woah

ver being innocent or mafia tells you absolutely nothing about the alliance of Ace. If ver flips red, in no way should you suddenly start trusting Ace more than you did before.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 21 2009 02:57 GMT
#1300
On May 21 2009 11:28 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
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On May 21 2009 11:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 21 2009 11:24 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On May 21 2009 11:15 Ver wrote:
b) Or should the vigilante hit me?


If you're actually a veteran why would we waste the vig hit on you?


It proves his role, means the town sees that he is infact a blue and rallies behind him


And then he has only 1 night life left, our vig hit is gone, and it's easier for the mafia to kill him. And it means the medic pretty much has to protect Ver, no?


in addition, we have to communicate with the vigi in some way that guarantees the vigi is legit as well
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 21 2009 19:18 GMT
#1539
On May 22 2009 02:46 Caller wrote:
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On May 22 2009 02:34 MTF wrote:
Well, we fucked up. Sort of. Like Mynock said that lynching Ver was the right decision. It just wouldn't have happened to have a good outcome, no matter how it played out. But, hey, at least we'd still have someone who cared about the game in still.

That said, I'm not giving up.

On May 21 2009 23:41 0cz3c wrote:
By the way, at least one of the following three is mafia.

Caller
RebirthofLegend
nemY


I may be simply pulling this out of my ass. However, 0cz3c's senses are tingling.


I actually agree fully with this. Here is my reasoning:

Caller has been playing Mr. Middle Ground all game, never posts anything truly constructive, and seems to just be feigning a high level of activity by responding to peoples posts with "LOL" and such. Also, the way he voted towards the end of last night was very odd, in that he flip-flopped suddenly twice between the candidates. And now that we know that both were innocent, we know that Mafia probably didn't care which of them got killed or not, because either way, half of town would be up in arms about it.

Though perhaps it should be noted that Ver roleclaimed as Vet long before the vote ended. That would have given Mafia some incentive to switch over some members to his side.

Rebirth has been played the "I don't know what's going on, guys" card, which is usually unacceptable to me with town-side. However, with one of his recent posts that highlighted people who voted for Ver as well as voted for Ace to be lynched, his name is cleared a bit in my mind. It seemed like a sincere effort, and only Mafia would have known for sure at that point that both Ace and Ver were not Mafia.

Which is another thing. Though they were right, keep the people who were saying that we shouldn't lynch either leader in mind. This is a category simply because it's a smart play to have a few members advocate against the lynching when it's already obvious it's going to happen and you know the outcome is in your favor no matter who it is that is lynched.

These include:

Showtime! - Voted for Plexa to get some activity out of him.
Caller - Claimed he thought the lynch was stupid which is why he switched his vote to me, before going back and forth later. Voted Ace (maybe just a joke), MTF, Ace, Ver.
Amber[Light] - Just stated that he didn't think either leader should be lynched, then voted Ace.

The reason I've been posting with a lot of Lol's is quite simple. Ver asked me to being trolling hardcore in order to try and oust some sort of reaction from any mafia-hence I pretty much just "lold" at every single post I thought might have been suspect to get an excited reaction. It was said earlier that Ace and I are among some of the best instigators whom are most able to get under peoples' skin and get them to make a stupid mistake (i.e. capek). Hence, I tried to perform in that capacity.

I was working with Ver from essentially the very beginning of the game, because I thought he was playing green that round, and I knew that he would rarely if ever run for mayor as mafia because he doesn't like being mafia. When he mentioned that he had a lot of PMs, those PMs were mostly from me.


Do you have any posts by ver confirming/hinting at this from before he died? Otherwise you can just say whatever you want, and ver can't correct any misstatements.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 22 2009 05:44 GMT
#1642
Hey

I have a monopoly on those
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
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