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On May 18 2009 15:47 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 15:44 Tricode wrote:
No, what i am saying is, what if Ace really thinks he has no consistent playing style? I really don't. You can list all the different behaviors I've exhibited in every mafia game and notice I do things differently most of the time. Sometimes I'm serious, sometimes I'm joking around, I may be nice, I may purposely fuck with people, sometimes I post shit just to amuse myself, Fishball and other people who find it funny - I'm like a human puzzle or some shit man.
That wasn't my point.
What i was saying whether it is true or not, it's what you believe/think.
So if it is true then fine. if it is not, then you think it to be true.
The point being is, you're not really lying if someone wants to call you out on it.
Like i said it's stupid I'm not going to go further with this.
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stop bickering. Either case, mayor has to lynch someone, i think we should focus on what we should do about that.
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@L I really hope you are not just basing this whole thing on one line i said. I had other reasons such as i believe more skilled players would benefit us more then Nemy and such.
Try not to nit pick very specific parts to help your argument while you ignore the other parts of the arguments.
and who is this Triforce by the way ;p?
It's kinda funny (nice coincidence), cause that was the first name i was probably going to use when i was making a tl account.
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Who is Oez3c? Never heard of him.
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On May 18 2009 16:10 Ace wrote:
who? never heard of him.
Jinx
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On May 18 2009 16:22 L wrote:Show nested quote +I really hope you are not just basing this whole thing on one line i said. I had other reasons such as i believe more skilled players would benefit us more then Nemy and such. I'm not. A number of players stated flat out that they believed that nemy was not mafia, yet voted against him, or swung votes at the last minute. Show nested quote +How is he punishing the town? Nemy played dumb, and in a game this level he got caught in a big lie. If someone believes Nemy is innocent, but votes against him, they are doing so either out of spite, which a number of players did and admitted they did. Go read the tricode post. Show nested quote +Yeah a DT revealed that should have never revealed himself or just a traitor. Somehow the fact that the DT played contrary to his view of how a DT should play makes it acceptable that we now have a DT in the open if he was correct.
Your number 1 problem is that you seem to fully believe he is DT.
Number 2 problem is i never voted for Nemy.
Number 3, Even if Nemy is innocent, there is a lot of us that are innocent! 23 to be exact.
number 4 what I did is not out of spite, it's more out of picking the best option IMO. It's like you care less about our skillful players that really help town get through the game to Nemy who just has a blue role...and that's even if he does have a blue role.
Number 5, this Nemy thing about him not being able to get into office is over. Get over it. Look to what we should do next.
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Did anyone else have trouble with being on the site just a moment ago? My net was working but it seemed like TL wouldn't respond and I was kinda kicked out for a bit.
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On May 18 2009 16:58 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 16:54 Tricode wrote:
Did anyone else have trouble with being on the site just a moment ago? My net was working but it seemed like TL wouldn't respond and I was kinda kicked out for a bit. TL was taken down for maintenance. There was an announcement about it posted briefly before it went down.
Thanks.
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On May 18 2009 18:19 L wrote:
You don't suggest a new topic of discussion, yet I have,
discussion gives us more potential to win.
I have suggested a new topic earlier in my posts. I was only being vague that last time because there was still the topic of who to lynch. But there were also other maybe minor things we could look at.
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Nemy, you're really not helping here. If you are really part of the town/dt then work with the town. it's the best option for you right now.
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Happy birthday LucasWoJ & 0cz3c.
Sorry for being absent for a while. Went to my uncles to eat and found myself staying there a bit longer then i would have liked. Also took a nap during the middle of the day.
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On May 19 2009 14:12 Incognito wrote:
Thus supporting the idea that he's most likely traitor dont ya think? He wants to kill you obviously because it would sabotage the town. Eliminate both elected positions. For free. No mafia deaths necessary.
If he was traitor then how would he get them killed? That would mean he found a mafia member, which i don't know how good you have to be to find someone that is mafia and tell them with out the worry of accidentally telling a person who is not mafia and blowing your traitor r/c cover.
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On May 19 2009 14:22 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 14:16 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:12 Incognito wrote:
Thus supporting the idea that he's most likely traitor dont ya think? He wants to kill you obviously because it would sabotage the town. Eliminate both elected positions. For free. No mafia deaths necessary. If he was traitor then how would he get them killed? That would mean he found a mafia member, which i don't know how good you have to be to find someone that is mafia and tell them with out the worry of accidentally telling a person who is not mafia and blowing your traitor r/c cover. What??? Well this was in response to Ver so maybe you got confused since Ace posted right before me? Anyway I meant that Ver is likely traitor the way he's playing now. If he were mafia, this is quite frankly poor play. But if he were traitor, it would make sense. I'm not saying he told anyone he is traitor. But presumably Ver could have planned to get Ace killed (by the mafia) by killing off the BGs. BGs are dead, so both Ver and Ace can be night killed. Then both our elected town offices are down the drain, and Ace is dead (if he is town). Ver would also be dead, but it doesn't matter since he doesnt affect mafia KP. He would have wasted the two days for the town to eliminate him and thrown the town into chaos. Using L's terms, its a good risk to reward ratio isnt it? Nice play my friend. *edit...apparently the ":" sign before the "r" makes some weird smiley?
The traitor thing doesn't make sense! Unless Traitor's role changed since the last time i looked at it. He can't kill people. He would have to mafia do it for him.
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On May 19 2009 14:29 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 14:27 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:22 Incognito wrote:On May 19 2009 14:16 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:12 Incognito wrote:
Thus supporting the idea that he's most likely traitor dont ya think? He wants to kill you obviously because it would sabotage the town. Eliminate both elected positions. For free. No mafia deaths necessary. If he was traitor then how would he get them killed? That would mean he found a mafia member, which i don't know how good you have to be to find someone that is mafia and tell them with out the worry of accidentally telling a person who is not mafia and blowing your traitor r/c cover. What??? Well this was in response to Ver so maybe you got confused since Ace posted right before me? Anyway I meant that Ver is likely traitor the way he's playing now. If he were mafia, this is quite frankly poor play. But if he were traitor, it would make sense. I'm not saying he told anyone he is traitor. But presumably Ver could have planned to get Ace killed (by the mafia) by killing off the BGs. BGs are dead, so both Ver and Ace can be night killed. Then both our elected town offices are down the drain, and Ace is dead (if he is town). Ver would also be dead, but it doesn't matter since he doesnt affect mafia KP. He would have wasted the two days for the town to eliminate him and thrown the town into chaos. Using L's terms, its a good risk to reward ratio isnt it? Nice play my friend. *edit...apparently the ":" sign before the "r" makes some weird smiley? The traitor thing doesn't make sense! Unless Traitor's role changed since the last time i looked at it. He can't kill people. He would have to mafia do it for him. *sigh* He doesn't actually kill Ace he just allows Ace to be killed by the mafia. Since now there's no more BG protection
.........i dont know what you are trying to qoute for or sighing about.
I think there is some miss communication between us.
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On May 19 2009 14:34 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 14:32 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:29 Incognito wrote:On May 19 2009 14:27 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:22 Incognito wrote:On May 19 2009 14:16 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:12 Incognito wrote:
Thus supporting the idea that he's most likely traitor dont ya think? He wants to kill you obviously because it would sabotage the town. Eliminate both elected positions. For free. No mafia deaths necessary. If he was traitor then how would he get them killed? That would mean he found a mafia member, which i don't know how good you have to be to find someone that is mafia and tell them with out the worry of accidentally telling a person who is not mafia and blowing your traitor r/c cover. What??? Well this was in response to Ver so maybe you got confused since Ace posted right before me? Anyway I meant that Ver is likely traitor the way he's playing now. If he were mafia, this is quite frankly poor play. But if he were traitor, it would make sense. I'm not saying he told anyone he is traitor. But presumably Ver could have planned to get Ace killed (by the mafia) by killing off the BGs. BGs are dead, so both Ver and Ace can be night killed. Then both our elected town offices are down the drain, and Ace is dead (if he is town). Ver would also be dead, but it doesn't matter since he doesnt affect mafia KP. He would have wasted the two days for the town to eliminate him and thrown the town into chaos. Using L's terms, its a good risk to reward ratio isnt it? Nice play my friend. *edit...apparently the ":" sign before the "r" makes some weird smiley? The traitor thing doesn't make sense! Unless Traitor's role changed since the last time i looked at it. He can't kill people. He would have to mafia do it for him. *sigh* He doesn't actually kill Ace he just allows Ace to be killed by the mafia. Since now there's no more BG protection .........i dont know what you are trying to qoute for or sighing about. I think there is some miss communication between us. /facepalm and you were doing so well too
I might have just missed something.
All i am saying is, Ver can't be traitor if you saying he offed his BG's. That would mean he found a mafia that trusted he was actually a traitor and trusted him and avoided talking to a townie who figured out he was traitor through pms or w/e.
Point is, if Ver helped cause these deaths, then he is mafia.
Though i think it could be possible luck what happened.
But Traitor to me seems unlikely.
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@Ace No, i said if he did help with those deaths, then he is mafia ;p
I didn't forget that scenario ;p
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On May 20 2009 00:14 Incognito wrote:
Oh. I get what you guys were saying about the unlikelihood of Ver being traitor. It makes sense, although if he's mafia that is awful poor play. Like you've said, this is a veteran game. Anyway, leaving Ver alive doesn't make sense either way as he is causing the town chaos, and even if he is traitor, that's 3 votes for the mafia....
I still feel more inclined about mafia then traitor. But I guess it doesn't matter which he may be at this moment.
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Holy fucking shit! I caught up finally! Jeez L and Ace, fucking get a room or something. You sound like my parents...well Ace actually sounds more intelligent then my parents lol.
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On May 21 2009 11:08 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 10:56 MTF wrote:On May 21 2009 10:44 L wrote:On May 21 2009 10:40 MTF wrote:On May 21 2009 10:34 L wrote:On May 21 2009 10:30 MTF wrote:On May 21 2009 10:18 L wrote:
How? Ace would be the least scrutinizable individual in the game: he's got a group of followers that have consistently defended him since day 1, cannot be rolechecked, and cannot even be looked at during a double lynch. You don't need a role check to identify him with time (you can't fake away clues even if you can fake behavior) and I'm quite sure that if those defending him were not Mafia, they would stop doing so in the face of clear evidence. If not, then you were right. On May 21 2009 10:18 L wrote:
This is the equivalent of the argument we made for Qatol earlier: "Well, its cool, we'll just kill him a turn later if we find out something's fishy" in the face of a mountain of evidence against him. You're either making the assumption that there is a mountain of evidence against Ace right now that nobody is seeing except you or that there will be a mountain of evidence later with which town will do nothing with. I'm guessing the former. I don't think there's really anything constructive to say if either option is correct, though. I didn't say we needed a role check. I said he's the least scrutinizable player in the game. Is that correct or not? No rolecheck. Large bandwagon behind him. Cannot vote for him until day 5 or vig hit if we do back to back double lynches. Consistently contradictory posts. Has supported mafia players in the past. The target of a massive voteswing. I mean, 2+2. There's evidence. First, the so-called large bandwagon behind him is pretty small to the very consistent core that voted Ver in and people can defend Ace without being die-hard about it. Like me, right now. Second, the "cannot vote for him" bit is incorrect, unless you assume that we can't vote for him because he'd pardon whoever the other person was. Which is incorrect. I haven't seen that many contradictory posts and I'm not sure what you mean by his having supported mafia players in the past, unless you somehow have them figured out already. Finally, the massive voteswing you're talking about happened because of the Nemy situation. Nemy was close to being pushed into a position and many players did not like that, so there was a movement to vote in either Mynock or Ace in behind Ver. Ace ended up being the one that got the votes. MTF, we already 100% agreed that if Ace is mafia and he's going down, its always in his best interest to pardon the other player, mafia or not. If both Ver and Ace are mafia, your analysis of the 'large bandwagon' is consistent with what most mafia players would do in the current situation. Drop Ver, switch to Ace. And regardless of the nemY situation, if Ace flips red, the voteswing is a voteswing. THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TELL WHICH SIDE HE'S ON. I agree with everything in the first two sentences. The problem is they are complete "what if" situations to you. For the third, however...Help me understand this. Assume that you are right, and Ace is Mafia. Why would Mafia not have voted him in sooner or secured him a strong spot in the election earlier on, so as to avoid the very suspicion you are putting on him? Was Nemy just a convenient cover for a sudden five-six votes to switch over to him? And assuming further that both are mafia: Was the plan just to get Ver in first and then the Nemy situation happened, so they figured, hell, why not try to get both of them in? Or was Nemy an intentional part of it? See the problem I have with your scenario? Why would Mafia not have voted him in sooner? Because mafia already HAD him in prior to nemY. Ver had a commanding lead, showtime had like 3 votes and Ace was sitting above that. No point stacking people on, might as well sprinkle mafia on other targets to lay low. When nemY happened, mafia didn't 'want' to have to voteswing Ace in, but nemY's candidacy forced some people to switch to him. Obviously you examine each voter independantly, but there are a number of late Ace voters that are fishy. Tricode, for instance, has been either been playing consistently stupid (and given last game I sadly concede that he's potentially that stupid without ulterior motives. So what do I do regarding a player like tricode? How do I crack his motivations? Well, I need date from Ace to complete the picture. Basically you're saying "mafia could have done many things" which is true. What doesn't change, however, is that mafia will push their members into office given a chance, and during this election there was clearly an opportunity go go x2 office, which is why I think we should prepare for that possibility.
You know you're getting on my nervs. Keep me out of your stupid tangents and raves. You have brought my name quite a few times with a few insults here and there.
If you can take some consideration, my last game was the first time I was ever townie. Before that I was just thrown into mafia with out a shit of a clue in what to do.
Now if you would like to call me stupid this game. I would like you to present me with some sort of reasoning, other wise stop being a emotional cry baby about how since I didn't agree with you early on in the game = me being stupid.
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On May 21 2009 11:20 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:15 Tricode wrote:On May 21 2009 11:08 L wrote:On May 21 2009 10:56 MTF wrote:On May 21 2009 10:44 L wrote:On May 21 2009 10:40 MTF wrote:On May 21 2009 10:34 L wrote:On May 21 2009 10:30 MTF wrote:On May 21 2009 10:18 L wrote:
How? Ace would be the least scrutinizable individual in the game: he's got a group of followers that have consistently defended him since day 1, cannot be rolechecked, and cannot even be looked at during a double lynch. You don't need a role check to identify him with time (you can't fake away clues even if you can fake behavior) and I'm quite sure that if those defending him were not Mafia, they would stop doing so in the face of clear evidence. If not, then you were right. On May 21 2009 10:18 L wrote:
This is the equivalent of the argument we made for Qatol earlier: "Well, its cool, we'll just kill him a turn later if we find out something's fishy" in the face of a mountain of evidence against him. You're either making the assumption that there is a mountain of evidence against Ace right now that nobody is seeing except you or that there will be a mountain of evidence later with which town will do nothing with. I'm guessing the former. I don't think there's really anything constructive to say if either option is correct, though. I didn't say we needed a role check. I said he's the least scrutinizable player in the game. Is that correct or not? No rolecheck. Large bandwagon behind him. Cannot vote for him until day 5 or vig hit if we do back to back double lynches. Consistently contradictory posts. Has supported mafia players in the past. The target of a massive voteswing. I mean, 2+2. There's evidence. First, the so-called large bandwagon behind him is pretty small to the very consistent core that voted Ver in and people can defend Ace without being die-hard about it. Like me, right now. Second, the "cannot vote for him" bit is incorrect, unless you assume that we can't vote for him because he'd pardon whoever the other person was. Which is incorrect. I haven't seen that many contradictory posts and I'm not sure what you mean by his having supported mafia players in the past, unless you somehow have them figured out already. Finally, the massive voteswing you're talking about happened because of the Nemy situation. Nemy was close to being pushed into a position and many players did not like that, so there was a movement to vote in either Mynock or Ace in behind Ver. Ace ended up being the one that got the votes. MTF, we already 100% agreed that if Ace is mafia and he's going down, its always in his best interest to pardon the other player, mafia or not. If both Ver and Ace are mafia, your analysis of the 'large bandwagon' is consistent with what most mafia players would do in the current situation. Drop Ver, switch to Ace. And regardless of the nemY situation, if Ace flips red, the voteswing is a voteswing. THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TELL WHICH SIDE HE'S ON. I agree with everything in the first two sentences. The problem is they are complete "what if" situations to you. For the third, however...Help me understand this. Assume that you are right, and Ace is Mafia. Why would Mafia not have voted him in sooner or secured him a strong spot in the election earlier on, so as to avoid the very suspicion you are putting on him? Was Nemy just a convenient cover for a sudden five-six votes to switch over to him? And assuming further that both are mafia: Was the plan just to get Ver in first and then the Nemy situation happened, so they figured, hell, why not try to get both of them in? Or was Nemy an intentional part of it? See the problem I have with your scenario? Why would Mafia not have voted him in sooner? Because mafia already HAD him in prior to nemY. Ver had a commanding lead, showtime had like 3 votes and Ace was sitting above that. No point stacking people on, might as well sprinkle mafia on other targets to lay low. When nemY happened, mafia didn't 'want' to have to voteswing Ace in, but nemY's candidacy forced some people to switch to him. Obviously you examine each voter independantly, but there are a number of late Ace voters that are fishy. Tricode, for instance, has been either been playing consistently stupid (and given last game I sadly concede that he's potentially that stupid without ulterior motives. So what do I do regarding a player like tricode? How do I crack his motivations? Well, I need date from Ace to complete the picture. Basically you're saying "mafia could have done many things" which is true. What doesn't change, however, is that mafia will push their members into office given a chance, and during this election there was clearly an opportunity go go x2 office, which is why I think we should prepare for that possibility. You know you're getting on my nervs. Keep me out of your stupid tangents and raves. You have brought my name quite a few times with a few insults here and there. If you can take some consideration, my last game was the first time I was ever townie. Before that I was just thrown into mafia with out a shit of a clue in what to do. Now if you would like to call me stupid this game. I would like you to present me with some sort of reasoning, other wise stop being a emotional cry baby about how since I didn't agree with you early on in the game = me being stupid. Why would you get offended that I call you stupid when you admit it a phrase before complaining about it? Derp Derp. Its the content of your posts rather than your position that make me think you're a dumb shit. Ace disagrees with me but I think he's being very smart about how he presents his arguments (or lack thereof). You, on the other hand? Dumb.
What the hell are you talking about? Dude, i have been reading your posts about me, if you have a problem with what i have to say, have some reasonable argument and how it is stupid.
It's not that I'm really offended I'm more annoyed with the crap you have to say. Also last that I checked, I seen more people calling you a dumb ass rather then me ;p .
I also never admited about me being stupid. So i don't know what you are talking about. Either learn to read or stop saying crap.
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