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On April 20 2009 21:53 Scaramanga wrote: I want in BC, Sign me up! Arent you co-hosting? | ||
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On April 21 2009 08:25 HeavOnEarth wrote: sign me up! you can't post anywhere on TL? ;_; or just the thread? Mafia. "Puppy eyes" "im new" "i dont understand the BASIC SENSE rules" | ||
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On April 21 2009 14:29 chaoser wrote: everyone's joking, the game didn't even start yet >_> actually my posts are not just jokes, but they are super timed to *Bump Bump Bump* the feeling. | ||
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On April 22 2009 06:02 Vivi57 wrote: I'll play if there's still spots left jesus you are 10 minutes late pm BC asap. | ||
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here is the final clue post about the previous mafia from BC and the link to main page to that game + Show Spoiler + On December 27 2008 17:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Nevake Amaterasu Firebat, Soil, sun tan oil, asian women, sponsors, umbrella ydg Camulus zealot, situational courage(bursts needed to move forward), word combinations, Y D G starts clazziquai Yu templar, #1 fan, terran, cult member, electronic music, acid jazz, house attackzerg Ba'al zerg, mutalisk, burgers, desserts, sandwiches, etc… RebirthofLegend Kali scv, rebirth, man to legend, d-war: rebirth of legend, dragons, monsters kuja900 Chronus lurker, starleagues, julyzerg, fighting, Ver Nirrti scv, no hate, obscurity, Napoleon Bonaparte, knowing of what to do Dinmsab Apophis asian, tributes, comander, empire, terran, vulture, hate, stork references DecafChicken Anupus coffee, poultry, subway, lemons, professional, wood, defiler, plague Capek Aries computers, foot stomp, professional but cockey, probe, robot, mechanical, intelligent Malongo Sokar dragoon, protoss fan, twin or reflection, foreign language Vigilantes Mynock Hathor asian, tech jamming, glasses http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=83951 Ill read the first post and come with a suggestion but its quite unlikely that we can have too much from this alone. On a side note: we dont have info about blues or mafia, BC is all info hidden this time? | ||
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On April 22 2009 08:43 tlmafiahitman wrote: Before this account gets deleted, I am the contract killer in the game. I don't care who you are but if you want my services then please do the stuff in my signature to use them. Boring. The idea of the role is that people finds you not that they contact you via mail. Also this could be mafia looking for blues. Or a vigi looking for mafia. Are you aware that mods can ip check your account dont you? for the fairness of the game ill ask an unrelated mod to do this because there are mods playing this time. | ||
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On April 22 2009 15:10 Qatol wrote: Greens are actually very bad for the CK to approach. All they have to offer is their role. The CK MUST approach someone with something to offer I think we are missunderstanding the role. Once the contractor contacts mafia theres no way back for him, since mafia can hit him anytime after that. On the other side contractor can work a few rounds for the town then change to mafia side. Thats why its extremely important that we take him early as a mafia member, if he wants to join the town on his own will he has to accept that this can only be done through a single townie. And maybe BC can clear this but single townies have the voting power so if the contractor contacts me or ace or whoever roleclaimes townie the exchange can be the vote, maybe its not a big gain for the killer early but this can give him the chance to join the town. | ||
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On April 22 2009 15:43 Tricode wrote: Well first thing is reaching Contract killer. Second thing i guess would be guaranteeing him medic protection for a good amount of time right? I just thought of something. Contract killer (if working for mafia) can choose to investigate someone and constantly keep trying to find blues for the mafia. (I am not sure how easy this will be though) It might be important to make sure mafia doesn't get this power. Remember Contract killer doesn't have to kill, they can investigate. So we need to make a proper incentive to keep this contract killer on the townie side. The problem again is that we cant trade blues info. Think that the contract killer is imba in terms that he can join town and change side when he wants after that, but he cant leave mafia if he starts working for them. | ||
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On April 22 2009 08:43 tlmafiahitman wrote: Before this account gets deleted, I am the contract killer in the game. I don't care who you are but if you want my services then please do the stuff in my signature to use them. Id like to ask to the moderators playing this round for an IP check on this account and who shares it. Im asking this because its a power that not all players have and its important for the game. Thank you. | ||
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On April 22 2009 16:18 Tricode wrote: Are you saying for us to find CK more easily and try to have them join townies lol? What if the mod is mafia and decides to make their own use of the CK or just kill that person off looking at them as an obstacle ;p i was far more concerned about the fairness of the game other than anything. i asked another mod but he told me that he hadnt time to understand the whole thing. | ||
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On April 23 2009 10:17 QuickStriker wrote: Alright everyone and Qatol, I really didn't want to speak up yet nor would I actually do anything right now seeing how I enjoy my quiet and peaceful life in TL, in this game, and in RL, but enough is ENOUGH! First off, yes this is my first post in this thread (second if you count the factor that on this very same thread I made a post that I wanted to join this game). And I can understand the fact that you would consider me as inactive since I was actually busy enjoying my outside life trying to learn and practice golf, preparing for my college transfer, and just doing my own business HOWEVER when everyone starts bashing at me for such a pointless idiotic stupid reason, that's where I decide to come out in the open and talk about it. "...trolled the voting thread" now how the hell did I troll in that thread? I was minding my own business of voting someone who I wanted to give my opinion of and we have the next post commenting and cricitizing my post in which I felt a little bit offended by that post. So what's the next thing that should have been done? Well I comment him back to stfu about it and tell him he's an idiot for posting something like that... after that, I suppose I somehow got my name out there and got noticed by ppl (and you) saying oh how I'm trolling just b/c I expressed my opinion and told Caller to shut up about it. Now I see how obviously you join in and tell everyone away I'm a troller? Ok, that's that, I'm done commenting about how other ppl think about me so I'll leave it here unless someone else decides to offend me again for w/e reason they think it's necessary.... Now I suppose my next question is, does my post just now became a whole new target of you and your team to look that, if I haven't been one already for making a post that didn't really matter much?? One last thing I like to say is I notice how a lot of ppl just voted Qatol for mayor without saying much as if it was some sort of a spam-ish thing.... sure, some ppl gave input and output but it's just that... I find it a little suspcious to me, probably b/c this is my first time in this game.... Holy shit batman. I just gave you the "80% mafia chance" prize that malongo created last game. | ||
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in the voting thread votes for FS in a rather strange way: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2009 00:37 QuickStriker wrote: I vote for Barack Obama and also for Fakesteve Reason: Obama is already president of the US, and Fakesteve looks like an awesome guys especially with his Power Ranks in which I love to read every month. Although Power Rank shouldn't be my only reason, my second reason would be he has a freaking nice awesome avatar on his name (in which I would want.... someday...) which appeals to me much. My third reason would be that he's so big and famous that I admire him as a sort of role model in TL. #4 is he has such a nice mood face which encourages me at times.... Lastly, I luv his profile and even his own fan club!!! (I wanna join!!!!) So basically 5 reasons: 1. Power Rank 2. Guitar avatar 3. Big, powerful, popular mod 4. Good mood expression 5. Profile + fanclub I hope that is good enough reasons for u all! That said, GL HF DD FakeSteve!!!! Then answers callers comment + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2009 00:57 QuickStriker wrote: Why don't I go to your house and steal your sister and your girlfriend at the same time? Honestly your logic of that comment is the same logic a monkey would do a banana..... if you are going to make a pointless idiotic comment on a mayor voting thread, then I suggest you reconsider before you wish to have another enemy in your hands than you already had. Seriously now..... ppl these days... And finally his post as a response to quatol + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2009 09:28 Qatol wrote:here what qatol wrote Alright everyone and Qatol, I really didn't want to speak up yet nor would I actually do anything right now seeing how I enjoy my quiet and peaceful life in TL, in this game, and in RL, but enough is ENOUGH! First off, yes this is my first post in this thread (second if you count the factor that on this very same thread I made a post that I wanted to join this game). And I can understand the fact that you would consider me as inactive since I was actually busy enjoying my outside life trying to learn and practice golf, preparing for my college transfer, and just doing my own business HOWEVER when everyone starts bashing at me for such a pointless idiotic stupid reason, that's where I decide to come out in the open and talk about it. "...trolled the voting thread" now how the hell did I troll in that thread? I was minding my own business of voting someone who I wanted to give my opinion of and we have the next post commenting and cricitizing my post in which I felt a little bit offended by that post. So what's the next thing that should have been done? Well I comment him back to stfu about it and tell him he's an idiot for posting something like that... after that, I suppose I somehow got my name out there and got noticed by ppl (and you) saying oh how I'm trolling just b/c I expressed my opinion and told Caller to shut up about it. Now I see how obviously you join in and tell everyone away I'm a troller? Ok, that's that, I'm done commenting about how other ppl think about me so I'll leave it here unless someone else decides to offend me again for w/e reason they think it's necessary.... Now I suppose my next question is, does my post just now became a whole new target of you and your team to look that, if I haven't been one already for making a post that didn't really matter much?? One last thing I like to say is I notice how a lot of ppl just voted Qatol for mayor without saying much as if it was some sort of a spam-ish thing.... sure, some ppl gave input and output but it's just that... I find it a little suspcious to me, probably b/c this is my first time in this game.... My reasons to think he is actually mafia based in my previous experiences: - Largely insubstancial vote. While i can understand people voting without a strong reason and even under plain bandwagon his reasoning is just to much premade to be that insubstancial. - Troll. While again i understand he just reacted to callers comment thats way an overreaction. Normal townies are less likely to post trash and start a flamewar without need, they know the more the noise you do the more the damage to the rest of the game. - Added nothing. This guy has posted 3 times (2 in the voting thread), yet he hasnt added nothing to the town, while here most of us are arguing about the game and CK and other things he contents to make noise while proposing 0 not even a posible clue. - To his inactiveness he comes up against qatol but again instead of adding something or proposing an idea he is "done commenting what other people thinks about him" and he will come back to comment in the case someone offends him only. - He is aware that his response to qatol will be analized and took the time to predefend about this, this is so mafia thinking, then for all excuse he proposes his post doesnt matter that much. - Lastly in his first post, he starts creating doubts about the bandwagon qatol, and his reason is because its his first game. This is not a reason, there are always first time players but in my experience most of the time this is the most stupid excuse to start doing stupid things. I really think this guy is 80% mafia. | ||
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On April 25 2009 01:07 LTT wrote: That's interesting, but I can see a problem. There isn't a way to tell a vigi from a CK without a role check. It seems as if your plan is trying to confirm vigis through clue checks without wasting role checks since, if this game is handled like almost every other one, the mafia don't get to decide which player is assigned to which hit meaning they have no control over clues. A CK doesn't have this problem and might not have our best interest in mind when people start roleclaiming... :x This idea can work, but it is going to cost us some role checks. The clue checks aid us in preventing the GF from hiding as a vigi, but we need RC to stop a CK from getting in. In fact this idea is better done at night 2 when the roles can start using the power. I dont think the CK can start killing asap without contacting someone to hire him, so im thinking its quite unlikely that CK will hit on night 2 and even then its quite unlikely that CK wants to get too much involved with the town to rolefake a vigi (im guessing he wants to remain as unsuspiciouly as posible). I like it, however theres still some minor problems, like the dt coordination and the vigi coordination (i think we dont want ALL our vigis hitting night 2). | ||
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On April 25 2009 09:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Oh jeez, have some patience. If you're mafia, he'll probably put an obvious clue on your ass and he might put a red herring on you if you piss him off (Like Qatol said: "I know for a fact that last time BC ran a game, he gave clues to the same person like 3 days in a row because they pissed him off.") People are doing finals so he said he would be a bit liberal with the time so zen out to some music or something. Sorry about your cat, So No Fek  .-_-' hes not feeling pissed for that u know? and since im not mafia he can do whatever he wants, no clues for me really. Finally ill say that my concern about the game is more related in the sense that the delay kills the town activity more than the mafia activity. Im quite sure BC would choose a pesty player calling for the day to come in over 10 inactives everyday :D. | ||
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On April 25 2009 10:48 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Like I said he could plant a red herring on you if you aren't mafia so I'd be appreciative. Furthermore, more night time gives more time for our blues to do their work; I doubt one of the mafia has yet to send in some names. You seem to know quite a lot about the mafia procedure. May i ask how do you think that? | ||
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On April 25 2009 16:08 Caller wrote: I think I might know what happened: A) The contract killer met with mafia B) Mafia wants contract killer's help (extra hit at night is powerful) C) Killer's goals are reduction of both town and mafia, thus killer demanded mafia kill one of their own. amirite? CK cant kill either until night 2. As always: read the rules Caller. | ||
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On April 25 2009 16:23 Caller wrote: Speaking of which I think there's a chance the pressing into eyes clue may be a reference to the coins that are needed to pay for the boatride after death. LTT's profile has: just sayin' Not defending anyone, but im surprised how many TLneters have boat references in theyr profiles. | ||
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On April 25 2009 16:27 Caller wrote: yeah, but death AND boats? Clearly the question is asking about the ride of Charon from the gates of Hell to the actual death. Also, Monoxide could be the reason that Nemy was killed. We don't actually see the source of Nemy's killer, and he feels a burning feeling in his lungs, meaning that it wasn't what he drank that killed him. Maybe it's implying that the mafia here is a gas, i.e. Carbon Monoxide? I agree Moxide is a chance since fire produces carbon monoxide. However that should be a side call since monoxide poisons the body by taking the place in the haemoglobin but it doesnt burn your lungs. The main concern about monoxide is that its not detectable when you are getting poisoned. I dont think monoxide is the best call here really. Im working in more clue analisis and i have a very good target. Ill post it in a few minutes. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Across town, Scaramanga handed some parcels to a courier, and closing his door, walked to his living room, and began throwing stacks of paper into his fireplace, burning as much as he could. Once he had the last pile safely in the fire, he gazed up to look at his tv, only too see an uncomprehensable phrase before the tv exploded, killing Scaramanga in the blast. from day 2 + Show Spoiler + Across town, Nemy and Bockit were sitting at a bar for drinks. Nemy was gazing down at a brown envelope before looking up and ordering another round for him and bockit. When the drinks arrived, the two smiled then cheered and tossed their drinks back. Bockit got up and walked over to a jute box and slid a quarter in, and an upbeat song started to play before he switched it to something else. Before he could turn around bockit head was slammed into the jute box over and over till he died. Nemy turned to the commotion and got up to save his friend, only to take a few steps and collapse, with a burning sensation in his lungs, he lay on the ground watching his friend die as the world slowly went black, all he could hear was footsteps walk past him, stop and snicker before continuing on, then he was dead. from Tricodes profile: Working to be in the entertainment business someday, but not an actor. I think its by far the best call given the amount of info we have and the way BC writes his clues. Im voting to lynch Tricode unless someone comes with something more convincing. | ||
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On April 25 2009 17:06 LTT wrote: 2 problems with this. Coins for Charon are put ONTO eyes not INTO them, although you could argue that this is BCs grammar mistake. Perhaps make the argument while listening to your JUTE box... The other is the question has nothing to do with Charron. It's an exchange in the play Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead. It is about the word play around the different definitions of being. The characters themselves are on a boat to England, which is where they die in the play Hamlet. If something im looking at the FIREBAT icon users LTT and ILOVEKTF because of the burning lungs. Burning lungs is a reference to burning gases. Id say its a lead but not that good yet see my previous post. | ||
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http://www.goodwillfireco.org/ related to the burning lungs. Also remember the participation of goodwill in all game after qatol lynched inertinept: On April 23 2009 23:50 GoodWill wrote: cool, let's lynch quickstirker next I think this is a C+ call. Still staying on tricode. | ||
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On April 26 2009 04:10 Incognito wrote: It may be a little early to tell, but I would suggest that maybe the split between the first and second paragraphs means that the first is for one family and the second is for the second. If the next day post comes up the same way (two paragraphs separated by a line break) then I'd think its safe to assume that. Very good point. Look how clues match very well to the first day (BC and Scaramanga deaths). Look too that our two DTs got hit from the same side, id say its safe to assume a pm leak over there. Also look that one family went for two semi inactives (bockit-nemy). I really think fusion and phyrri got a bad choice of trust. | ||
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We need to figure out how many hits each mafia has so we can try to figure out what the kill formula is. I think 2 hits per mafia is way too weak. I also think 3 hits each mafia is weak, but just means that the mafia need to focus and make sure they kill the town and not each other. Which would make it hard. I can see 2 successful protects being possible, but 4 seems very unlikely. We simply cant do that, we can estimate at best, i think each mafia has 3 kp as starting, 4 each seems too much and 2 too little. Once we have that figured out, does anyone know who the two DTs were in contact with? The only way for no one to have any idea is if the two DTs role checked the godfather who claimed vet or something and just told him what they were figuring it was statistically in their favor for him to NOT be godfaher. No way to know who they were in contact with. Im guessing here but this only seems to point to someone with a high profile or high influence in mafia games, if they pmd theyr role this was a missplay, if not we are playing with some lucky-super analitic mafia. However its quite unlikely because of the profile both players had in the game, pyrri was quite active and working but fusion was completely inactive, didnt even vote iirc. They couldnt had rolechecked anyone before night 2 so this is quite unlikely a godfather rolechecked. That seems very unlikely, unless hes a known power player from previous mafia games and has been active in the thread. Off the top of my head SoG and Caller come to mind from my post skimming, but those thoughts are just me thinking out loud and clearing some suggestions for what could cause the death of what seems like two DTs. Unfortunaltely i cant find a convincing clue against any high profile yet. It can be anyone that had the trust from both, ace, ver, sog, versatile, or even qatol, add as many as you want here. The problem is that we cant start pointing towards them, they are all equally inactive and no clues yet. "What seems to be DTs?" are you suggesting they werent? if something i think role reveal after death is the only thing the town has for sure. To summarize: Before our lynch we need to figure out 1. Who got hit last night. imposible to tell, might have been blocked hits or double hits from mafia. 2. figure out max mafia kills/formula imposible at best estimate 3 kp and 6 mafia each side. 3. Figure out who those DTs(?) blues were talking to. imposible unless you pm them. The only thing we can do again is clue analisis, medics should be doing his stuff, vigis should be preparing a hit or looking for targets, vets dunno. Where are you Qatol? Btw im gonna go with tricode this lynch i made a clue analisis that points towards him (see few pages back). I ask the town to read it and see if this works, i dont feel that happy about it but its the best i can see for now. Sorry tricode nothing personal here. | ||
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1 We have no info about the number of vigis for the town. Even thinking in 4 vigis we must save our double lynchs to important cases and handle them with extreme care. At this point in the game our mayority uninformed still lacks the information. 2 Im positively sure the two groups of mafia are more worried about the other group than the town. If the town loses the double lynchs lynching inocents its not that important for either mafia but a huge deal for the town. 3 We dont have strong leads. Even in my case, where i think tricode is mafia because the clue analisis i made plus the activity he has shown its a weak one. 4 We dont know how will come the mafia hits next day and always remember that there are 2 groups coordinated against the town. We cant afford to waste the lynchs helping anyside, if something, its better and the best plan for the town to wait that the two mafias hit eachother. Im not saying obviously that we dont lynch mafia, but wasting double lynchs to help one of them is not optimal, if one of the mafia wants to damage the other lets force them to use theyr own hits, not the town double lynchs. 5 Im guessing this will be a large game. The fact that there are 4 interest groups in this game will prove that the town itself has to use the advantage of numbers. In a close end double lynchs are probably the only thing the town will have. (and maybe the extra votes from the mayor). 6 I think the single townies are going to be extremately valuable this game, even the less active ones. The point is that all that is written in the thread will be source of analisis in a few days, but we cant make that much analisis with what we have so far so using double lynchs for next night is like pushing instead of waiting for more info. Please, please: if you really are town sided DONT vote double lynch, if you think like a townie and read my post you will see that saving double lynchs is quite the best choice: we dont have targets, lets wait to have more information. Its not important if you trust me or not or if you agree or dont agree with my clue-analisis, save double lynchs. Thank you. | ||
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On April 26 2009 17:21 Ace wrote: Im sure no one wants a double lynch at this point, that would be incredibly bad. On April 26 2009 11:31 Showtime! wrote: I vote for Monoxide for now. =/ I vote for double lynch as well. On April 26 2009 13:32 Chuiu wrote: I vote JeeJee I vote for double lynch LOL. | ||
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On April 27 2009 06:04 Qatol wrote: I'd like to call attention to this post and emphasize that the case against Monoxide is not only clue-related, but also STRONGLY behavioral-related. I'm willing to follow mikeymoo's lead on this one. He is a smart, well-known player who is risking his own reputation to call out a friend who is acting strangely. That is good enough for me when combined with the other evidence compiled. Another thing I'd like to mention is that right now we have more suspects than we can handle. Versatile, Monoxide, JeeJee, and Quickstriker are all strong suspects. This points to us using a double lynch on day 3 without even considering that we may have additional suspects by then. This is the worst bullshit ive read from you all game. Period. Dont Vote double lynch. I made a post 2 pages back explaining why we MUST SAVE THEM. Our "suspects" are not even remotely confirmed, and the double lynchs is one of the few things that the town has. Read my post, Please. One more note: Given the history in the previous mafia game and some pms we interchanged then im looking at you with crying eyes, because you agreed that game that the first bad move from the town was using a double lynch without confirmed targets. Im serious, Qatol you just started looking mafia to me. | ||
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On April 27 2009 09:57 Qatol wrote: In the future, please PM the person first before calling them out like this. If the private response isn't acceptable, you have that much more ammo to accuse them with. The real fact that i consider you a very good player tells me this is not a "mistake". I already pmd you and you should know what im talking about. | ||
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On April 28 2009 03:15 semioldguy wrote: I also think double lynch is a horrible play to make right now. We don't have enough solid to go on yet. This makes no sense to me. Why is it the best plan to wait for the mafia families to lynch each other??! Lynching mafia is lynching mafia and lowers the overall kill power. I don't think it matters too much to the town which family we are lynching as long as we are eliminating Mafia which lowers the overall kill power. What if the two families don't lynch each other? How can we determine who is in which family anyway? You appear innocent to me Malongo, but this is just bad thinking in my eyes. That point in my analisis was thinking in the case (highly problable imo) that each mafia is concerned more into lowering down the other mafia than killing single townies. I think i missexplained that point: if the 2 mafias try to hit the eachother by double lynch its not good for the town when they are "gambling" or using unsure targets, because theres a high chance that we misslynch and lose the double lynch. Then, IF mafia wants to hit eachother, by saving our DL, they have to use their own hits on that gamble or work for the town in the single lynchs wich is good for the town. Maybe that point is a little overlooked but honestly i just panicked when i saw 2 first votes for double lynch and tried to scream as loudly as i could  maybe now i made myself clear? | ||
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On April 28 2009 11:21 Vivi57 wrote: Tricode, what's your plan if we do lynch jeejee and he turns up green Who's the next person we lynch? Quickstriker? Qatol? Monoxide? MALONGOS INSTINCT SAYS TRICODE | ||
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Voting Resume Chuiu: 1 Monoxide: 4 tricode: 2 versatile: 7+ Qatol*3 JeeJee: 5 Quickstriker: 9 truthbringer: 1 Abstain: 9 Total people voting: 39 TruthBringer: not valid vote. semioldguy: unvoted People Yet to vote: 13 + Show Spoiler + 5.LucasWoJ 10.Ver 11. RebirthOfLeGend 14. semioldguy 19. Hyperbola 32. truthbringer 37. Motbob 39. Blue_Arrow 42. Chaoser 44. zapling 45. Aznvaliance 54. YDG 55. Mista Please pm errors. Please also remind that if the abstaining choice wins there will be no lynch wich is bad for the town. Bloodycobbler we need a reasonable official deadline for votes and changes. Thank you. | ||
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On April 28 2009 17:34 ZaplinG wrote: I vote ace to be lynched. Use the voting thread. And welcome to the game. | ||
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BC, oh BC, where are you? | ||
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Chuiu: 1 Monoxide: 4 tricode: 2 versatile: 8+ Qatol*3 = 11 JeeJee: 6 Quickstriker: 10 truthbringer: 1 Abstain: 8 Total people voting: 41 TruthBringer: Not valid vote. Hyperbola: Not valid vote. Zapling: Vote in the blog thread People yet to vote: 11 + Show Spoiler + 10.Ver 11. RebirthOfLeGend 19. Hyperbola 32. truthbringer 37. Motbob 39. Blue_Arrow 42. Chaoser 44. zapling 45. Aznvaliance 54. YDG 55. Mista <-taking his sweet time | ||
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On April 30 2009 08:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: At this point I almost don't even see the point in lynching Versatile :D She is so clearly innocent we already gained the information without needing to kill her. Any actual mafia 1. Wouldn't of acted the way she did AT ALL. and 2. Would be voraciously defending themselves right now trying to get QS or Monoxide lynched. Since there is more evidence against them. I really have no suspicions of Versatile at this point. I am alright with lynching someone else and taking everything she says at face value. As for me, I am still voting for QS at the moment. If versatile flips mafia you are looking as a strong candidate sir. However im all in against tricode this round so you have wait. But more importantly: BC where are you, oh where are you. | ||
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he was so lazy at the beggining, now that versatile is likely to get lynched is suddenly quite active + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2009 10:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: yo dawgs, jus so u no i naught inactive. Ima read it tomorrow then post, i'm lazy right now. This post is so rare, he pretends to be acting town side but the last line reveals that its an answer to a player, i guess he was pmd about how suspicious he was (LucasWoj?). If something greens dont buy this shit of "hey you look mafia you better start posting." + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2009 06:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: wow shit, two mafia families. I skim read a lot of the thread, with the exception of the last two pages. So now we have two mafia families, nice BC :D pulled that over on us, and we are pretty sure we lost two DTs which kind of blows. What we need to do now is ALL the people who were hit last night need to come forward DO NOT REVEAL IF YOU ARE A VET OR MEDIC PROTECTED We need to figure out how many hits each mafia has so we can try to figure out what the kill formula is. I think 2 hits per mafia is way too weak. I also think 3 hits each mafia is weak, but just means that the mafia need to focus and make sure they kill the town and not each other. Which would make it hard. I can see 2 successful protects being possible, but 4 seems very unlikely. Once we have that figured out, does anyone know who the two DTs were in contact with? The only way for no one to have any idea is if the two DTs role checked the godfather who claimed vet or something and just told him what they were figuring it was statistically in their favor for him to NOT be godfaher. That seems very unlikely, unless hes a known power player from previous mafia games and has been active in the thread. Off the top of my head SoG and Caller come to mind from my post skimming, but those thoughts are just me thinking out loud and clearing some suggestions for what could cause the death of what seems like two DTs. To summarize: Before our lynch we need to figure out 1. Who got hit last night. 2. figure out max mafia kills/formula 3. Figure out who those DTs(?) blues were talking to. If we can't figure out who they were talking to, we have to assume its a likely person to role check, and then be careful of any of the power players who have been active thus far. Happy LucaS? after Malongo pointed to tricode hes ok to lynch him, wut? no second opinion? just go lynch? + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2009 08:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: EBWOB: (or whatever SoG's acronym was) I am okay with voting for tricode if no one else shows up. But I say we wait a little to see if anyone can say that our DTs were talking to any potential mafioso Then votes pile in Monoxide, JeeJee and Quickstriker. No words about JeeJee though. Note the bold line please. + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2009 23:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: the way QS posts is kind of annoying as well. Im voting lynch just based off that. .....you know and the other suspicious stuff! Can anyone tell me if what 0cz3c said is worth reading? In the other mafia games he posted the most retarded shit and I don't feel like wasting 5-10 minutes reading his essay if its another one of those random "I am going to accuse the enire town of being mafia and I also happen to be EVERY SINGLE ROLE IN THE GAME" posts. (that were ridiculous and colored) and just for the record, I don't consider the case of Monoxide to be weak at all, I think the accidental death clue links very well with him. However QS behavior and the clue links seem to be the best thing we have so far, so I will go with that. However I still think we need to consider Monoxide for possible next lynch candidate. What? you want a DL because of laziness? + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2009 07:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I don't think that there is no info to work with, so anyone using that excuse that we need to move to the next day and get more clues is probably a mafia who just wants to get to their night killing cycle There is still a lot of debate over who is best to lynch. Off the clues and from whats going on, I don't believe Versatile is mafioso, however lynching her does now give us the MOST information. While I do think quickstriker and Monoxide have the best clues matching up to them, more information comes out of Versatile's death. So what would you guys prefer, more information or possible mafia kill? The only reason I would double lynch tonight is to get both QS and Monoxide to save the trouble of thinking about them any further. Then we would be able to focus on Versatile. and Ace, you know I can out debate you This is a lie, simply because (with the bolded live above) HE STILL HASNT VOTED + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2009 22:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I am really tempted to change my vote, but I am also really lazy. Someone starts defending versatile indirectly :S again you havent voted. + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2009 08:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: At this point I almost don't even see the point in lynching Versatile :D She is so clearly innocent we already gained the information without needing to kill her. Any actual mafia 1. Wouldn't of acted the way she did AT ALL. and 2. Would be voraciously defending themselves right now trying to get QS or Monoxide lynched. Since there is more evidence against them. I really have no suspicions of Versatile at this point. I am alright with lynching someone else and taking everything she says at face value. As for me, I am still voting for QS at the moment. Yeah mafia really isnt dumb, wait, im not sure anymore. + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2009 12:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: L lol.... Is it really worth 2-3 mafia changing votes to save her if it would expose them all? Admittedly with what I said a page back, I would be looking a bit suspicious if that were to happen. However that entire family would most likely die in the next day cycle if they tried that. It is a retarded move. She knows that, and I haven't really seen any dumb card played :O but whatever. haha oh man. Lets go with the latter!! post game cyber?!?!?! | ||
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iLoveKTF Showtime! <- from Monoxide Monoxide L dreamflower <- from JeeJee JeeJee <- from Monoxide Qatol <-from JeeJee Incognito <- from abstain LucasWoj truthbringer mikeymoo <- from Quickstriker RebirthOfLegend | ||
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HIT Quickstriker. Why? - His dead gives us much more information regarding another player (note that vigis on ace tell us 0 info about any other player whatever the color he turns). Im talking about... lets guess... QATOL. As you are the one that "literally" didnt kill him at the beggining and lynched inertinept with a rather mediocre analisis (at least compared to mine about Quickstriker) and the one that literally lynched versatile over him last day (and note that you never EVER thougth about voting him, you switched from JeeJee to versatile after JeeJees saving campaign) the town needs to flip him. Period. What im saying is: If I was the Inocent Mayor in this case with all the evidence and some doubts on me i would be literally asking in my knees that a vigi or mafia flip him, literally. - About Ace: why a vigi in his sense would want to hit a player that already has as much exposure as Ace? He claimed taking a hit, even if that is false and he is mafia hes going to eventually get another hit from the same side. Not just that: he claimed green and now he claimed medic, can you follow me? Do you think mafia looking the other family or a blue dont want to hit him? With all the things Ace told about versatile if hes not dead by night 5/6 from mafia you can lynch him almost without doubt. But now vigis should have 0 interest in fliping Ace 0. Im again quite surprised that you, a good player, are not telling this to the town, and that a puny little player like me has to take these small notes. | ||
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On May 01 2009 12:28 Ace wrote: you 2 are kidding right? Mayor gets elected with an overwhelming number of quick votes. Puts blame on me for getting Versatile lynched when he placed all votes for her - and didn't I say this would happen? Tried to get JeeJee lynched on shit evidence and then switched to appear favorable to the town. Now he's making a medic list and leaving me off of it even though I've already taken a hit. He's playing really fucked up. Seriously how can you keep saying "oh there goes another small suspicion, ok I'm 80% sure he's mafia" - No. The guy is clearly dirty. Lynch him tomorrow. Are you trying to say something about me Ace? Come on get your points straight. I said almost the same as you did. | ||
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The man is DRUNK. I ask the real townies to vote lynch lordweird. Note that his profile can be linked to other clues like day 2 the guy that does something in the eyes of his victim and others. I ask to skip lynching qatol for now. The reason is quite simple: he is quite likely to be mafia but IF there are two mafias in the game his 3 votes can be useful for the town. If we lynch Qatol at this stage we lose that, also note how easily Qatol got his first votes to get lynched, and the profile from those players. | ||
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On May 03 2009 14:04 Caller wrote: Quickstriker:0ez3c as.... yeah i thought that too, its like an aggro version of oczec. | ||
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On May 04 2009 08:20 Mynock wrote: Wow a voice of reason in this Town! Btw, adding all things up, Ver is either a townie disheartened with Town, or is Mafia, hence the no-posts. I'm suspecting him as Mafia tho. At least someone understands why viging VER makes sense. How many games have we seen VER make 1 post? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + In the quiet and warm peace of his livingroom Malongo has been very upset by the turn of events. The bloody god over the sky had put a test over the town of liquidia: the test of number misinformation. With two bands of Mafia shooting everywhere, an uncertain number of random shooters with no alliance known and some proper town fucktards shooting as well there was little the town could do. Resistance was futile, and Malongo knew that. However Malongo knew that he wasnt alone. He knew that several others were at their own homes, in the same position as him, trying to figure what to do and ready to leave the town ala "Mynock". We cant do shit, said Malongo to himself, we are screwed. Looking at the towns citizen list he went sure that only a miracle could save them. Then taking a shot of fine wine Malongo prepared to the night, knowing that the game was almost over, the town had lost a lot of valuable citizens and not just that, they couldnt believe the town mayor anymore. The worst part: the town had failed to find at least one of the members of the mafia that desolated the town, the only red body they found was a rather strange death and the tow n was unable to find the real explanation about this death. While walking towards his room Malongo realized that this was the only time. He was a townie afterall, he wasnt going to be "inactive" because of some fuckers he was going to fight until death, and calmly Malongo took the town flag he had for special times and walked out, marching alone to the town main square in front of the city hall, where he could hear the shooting. There, with the only background of his flag he started his declamation. - The town is fucked: We are screwed number wise and activity wise. Take a look at todays voting: there are at most 25 voters. Wich means several people dont care about the town and the game anymore. Look at the deaths list. Several blues, some greens. Only one red bastard. Look at the town killing power and compare to the mafia KP. At best its a 6/1 ratio. Worst than that: we are just running around like mindless ants trying to hit a mafia. We cant trust our neighboor anymore, we have nothing but our votes. - I propose a simple list of procedures to at least try to end this game with our best chances. The only way we can achieve the miracle this time is: IF there are two mafias this game (something we cant be sure because of bloodygod), then to win we need that they shoot eachother somehow. Thats the only way. If theres only one mafia (and Bockits death was just a diversion) then we are screwed anyways. Procedures list (all this im asking for is supposed to happen next lynch. Theres almost nothing to do today): 1- I demand that the town Mayor abstains from using his 3 voting power. Three times Qatol as failed to make a red lynch. Even in the case that Quickstriker is lynched and turns red we cant trust him, because he had protected the same Quickstriker 3 times now, and he is lynching Quickstriker because the other option is himself. We cant trust him because his activity has been 100% inconsistant and his voting pattern only shows that its him the one deciding the lynchs. If the Mayor fails to adhere this rule we lynch him next day. At this point I assume theres nothing else to do for todays voting. If theres a small chance that Qatol is townie sided he will for sure make 1 vote like everyone else. 2- We start Lynching inactives and clue pointed players: If we need that mafia hit eachother, and looking at the mafia hitlists we can be sure of something: They dont hit inactives. They dont hit nonvoters. Thats why lynching Lordweird was better in my opinion this time however ive failed to convince you. We force mafia to come out. I wont lose a game because some fuckers like to post nothing while shooting at me. Period. At the end you will find my proposed list of inactives. 3-Townies: DONT change your vote. Again if there are 2 mafias chances are they are the ones trying to sway the voting. -DONT - EVER - change your vote. If we caught a player changing the voting we lynch him next day. If we fail a lynch, whatever, we can fail. However we dont have second opinions. Im sure no green will ever disagree this. 4- We start using DL NOW: We dont have time. We are screwed. Tomorrow 6 more will fall. Please as i asked before to save them because they were our last resource: this is the last time to use them. Vote for DL. In the worst case we are using DL on Lordweird and Qatol tomorrow (assuming that Quickstriker is lynched today). If we have a 10% chance of winning lets take it. Double LYNCH tomorrow. 5-I will propose a small madic list before the night comes: As we cant trust Qatol we have to trust someone, i will try my best to come with a list that makes sense and it will be small enough to protect some players. Note that i cant voice for theyr inocence but at least i will propose players that look active at clue analisis and prove to be valuable for the town. 6- Vigilantes: If there are any of you still alive with shots, go pick an inactive that has clue related to him. Viging Ace last time was idiot (I already posted why when I asked to not do it). Force mafia to come out. 7- DTs: again if any, dont trust anyone. Do your job. Rolecheck 3 times and then post your results. We dont have time to wait for clues more than 3 nights, you are in the shooting gallery as well. 8- Veterans and townies: I know this game is a pain at this stage and almost nothing can be done to assure a win. However stay as active as you can and vote. Thats all im asking for. Dont give up yet, i dont ask for clue analisis or to do stupids infiltrations: that only creates more chaos where we are. Post your opinion shortly and vote, nothing more nothing less. If you want to clue analize: you are welcome but make it spoilered and at the end make a summary of WHO and WHY is mafia clue wise. Nothing can be more auto devastating that a clue analisis that says: "this can be related to this other thing but i dont know who is related to this." This type of clue analisis is trash, State clearly who and why in the end (ouside the spoilers). Summary: 1- Qatol starts voting as a single townie. 2- We lynch inactives clue wise. 3- We dont change our votes ever 4- We start using Double Lynch until the number of mafia gets down significally 5- Medic list is no longer managed by Qatol. 6- Vigilantes: send hits tonight to inactives clue wise. 7- DTs: work alone until you made your investigations 8- Townies and veterans: vote and put your opinions. If you make clue analisis use the procedure. Please as a proof of your town allignment make a post saying: I sign Malongos declaration. This way at least we will know if its worthly to keep the game going. Thanks. | ||
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On May 04 2009 11:48 0cz3c wrote: Malongo, I agree with essentially everything you said except this: "3-Townies: DONT change your vote. Again if there are 2 mafias chances are they are the ones trying to sway the voting. -DONT - EVER - change your vote. If we caught a player changing the voting we lynch him next day. If we fail a lynch, whatever, we can fail. However we dont have second opinions. Im sure no green will ever disagree this." We can't afford to be wrong. I don't think it's in our best interest to merely say, after we lynch someone not the mafia, especially in the state we're in right now, whatever, we can fail. Right now, we really can't. Theoretically this is a splendid idea. However, if people begin to vote before we actually have conclusive evidence against someone else, what then? With that said, I will sign this declaration. I'm glad to see a conspicuous townie in this game. Perhaps now we can organize. Good work. What i meant to say is: We have 0 chance of having a 100% sure target, that means that we can fail at lynching, townies can mislynch, theres nothing to do about that. What we can do is to force ourselves to keep our voting. If after watching all the discussion and the clues we mislynch theres abosolutely nothing to prevent that. However, everytime a real townie change his votes he is actually giving the chance to mafia to switch and sway the voting too. | ||
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On May 04 2009 12:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Malongo, how about no changing votes at all unless there is some major revelation? Like finding out about a mafia. There are no mayor revelations this game. Period. Your best shot about that is a DT claim, something that shouldnt happen at least with 3 rolechecks from him. Even in that case that could be a fake information. I mean, lets suppose a DT pms you and tells you XXX is mafia. Suppose we change the voting and turns green. What do we do? a) lynch you b) call the player you named and lynch him. No sorry. If something the DTs remaining should know how screwed we are. Mayor revelations during vote time (as for a lynch switch) are fishy as fuck. DTs: if you want to send a mayor revelation make sure this doesnt mean to switch votes (make it as soon as the day comes). We dont change votes. Townies dont need to change votes. | ||
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On May 04 2009 12:27 GoodWill wrote: I don't know much about the rest of the "declaration". But Qatol needs to go today, and his 3 votes on Quickstriker is the only thing keeping him alive. Town, if you are reading this and your vote is not on Qatol, you need to change it now. I'm not sure about double lynch, if we get enough votes for it (it certainly doesn't look like we will get it just from the sheer amount of inactives alone), the second one should be Quickstriker. Since authorizing a double lynch today would mean less chance of lynching Qatol, I'm not going to vote for one today. The only thing I can do about todays voting is to ask for Double Lynch tomorrow. You dont seem to understand our position really. Even if we lynch Qatol and flips red we are indeed screwed. Not voting for a Double Lynch means we wont use the power ever. Lets suppose a great position for the town: mafia trade 2 hits tonight: 2 less mafia 1 less KP, 5 townies death (counting the CK). Then we are 35 people alive and about 9-11 mafia. One more lynch and five more hits. We dont have time thats for sure. I rather fail at double lynching instead of waiting in my living room for the game to end. The second reason is that actually lynching non voters and inactives forces mafia to come foward. If you can convince people to lynch Qatol i dont really care too much i wont change my vote to lynch him or to defend him. Im playing this game trying my best to HIT mafia. Lordweirds clue fit almost perfectly and thats why im voting him, because his behavior is as fishy as Qatol but his clue matchs better. Whatever happens in todays lynch i cant do anything else, im fighting for tomorrow. Vote Double Lynch. | ||
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- Caller - Rol. - Milkymoo. And hell yeah, vote double lynch next day and lynch Qatol. | ||
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Lordweird: inactive, strong clue match. Drunk. Ver: inactive, clues related to sight (as versatile posted) ver in spanish is the verb "to see". Also the best behavioral analist in town working for the mafia. Check for versatiles post if you want more evidense or all the screen related clues plus "he caught a quick glimpse of a man swinging a long object". | ||
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On May 04 2009 16:57 Ace wrote: I love collective stupidity Yeah but tbh we never had a chance. Still fighting thou. Until morning at least. | ||
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I reserve my full opinion about the setup until the game is over. And get your godlybloody nose out of my town, you didnt answer my prayers oh bloodygod what ive done to deserve this. | ||
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On May 04 2009 17:09 Tricode wrote: Malongo, going nazi is not very nice. So i'm going to ignore you and come up with my own analysis. I don't care if you kill me, but i will turn up green. I am not sure if you are mafia or not, for right now I will guess not, (just for right now) Though, don't forget you been trying to call me mafia all game, then pmed me yourself thinking I was the CK instead. I wonder why you are trying to lure out the CK with promising medic when just trying to find a med for the CK with out any explanation would most likely just get the CK killed anyways. LOL how the hell can I kill you. In fact i cant do shit. At most i can vote and that doesnt do anything because the people i vote never get lynched anyways  . If I asked you about the CK was because you really put too much effort into finding him, nothing more nothing less. And the only thing i said about you is IF VER FLIPS RED TRICODE IS TOO PM WISE. Dont you agree with me? | ||
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"he lay on the ground watching his friend die as the world slowly went black, all he could hear was footsteps walk past him, stop and snicker before continuing on, then he was dead." "The cupboards splintered open, and the man ducked to the side, and flew his arm out to the side waving an object at Infundibulum, with a wicked smile on his face." | ||
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On May 04 2009 20:26 Camlito wrote: Also i think we should think outside the box with the burning lungs feeling. I personally believe HeavOnEarth may be mafia. His name can be stretched to Heaven On Earth, and to go along with burning lungs, if you were in heaven (allegedly in the clouds) the pressure would be immense on your lungs, no? The Earth part also indicates your on earth when it happens. Just a thought. Clue: Honestly im linking that clue to JeeJee now. Most of the time im looking not at "how people die" but to other factors that repeat in the killings without repeating the same phrase. I mean remember how many times chiuiu repeated the shit falling from pockets and that was never a real clue? Thats why I strongly think this is actually JeeJee: snicker, wicked smile. | ||
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On May 04 2009 20:33 Camlito wrote: That's true, if jeejee's 2 alleged killings do match, you have something, but mine is pretty good if Nemy was the killers only kill thus far. On the other side i really like the clue to 3clipse. Note that it fits to Mafia behavior too (see voting pattern). | ||
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On May 05 2009 09:17 Incognito wrote: Maybe we should point out that Ace and Showtime were on the list. They were town. Malongo is overreacting? Amen. Which reminds me I should change my profile after this game's over... 2. Malongo this is not your town. Which brings me to my main points. 1. Ver. Although it is true that lower KP needs to be compensated somehow in a dual mafia game, it also is a bad assumption to think that mafia should have around 8 mafia. I could go into more detail about this but this is pretty irrelevant right now. So for now, lets just ignore the mafia numbers because it won't help us yet until we start getting mafia numbers down. 2. Lynching Qatol on that bandwagon was pretty useless to me when it was discussed during the past few days. But Ver raises a good point. If Qatol is mafia people would likely vote in groups for/against him. I have not seen a distinct voting pattern in either of the last two days, but I've come up with this: 3clipse coolcrimefighter GoodWill t_co These people voted against Qatol today (Day 3). These people also voted for Qatol for mayor. So if these people are mafia then they're on the mafia team opposite Qatol. I find it unlikely that they would have voted for Qatol if they were in his family in such a close lynch. Of these, 3clipse has fit both the clue and the behavior analysis. However, 3. The list brought up seems to bring more to the table when talking about Qatol and lynching. Lets see if Qatol votes for one of the people mentioned. If not it would be a pretty compelling case that he is mafia. Not only because of previous behavior, but it would just be a logical lynch. Lynching Qatol now would be logical. If he's mafia, that's great. More information for us. If he's green, we're screwed but I'm not sure if Qatol can be town unless one of the mafia is purposely not voting for him. There's way too few votes against him for him to be town. Otherwise I'd think both mafia families would be after him considering his unfavorability. CK comes to mind as an option here. Either way, we still need to be discussing ideas now. Not leading a bandwagon. @ L: Mafia wouldn't be working together if they knew each other/suspected each other. It doesn't work. Since they know they can be killed any time by the other opposing team, you'd pretty much have to kill them if you know them. End of my thoughts for now. Lets wait till the day post to see who exactly to accuse. But knowing Qatol won't be able to vote for himself I think it might be a good idea to discuss who we should be asking him to vote for. 3clipse comes up to my mind. The way you respond to my posts is useless. Qatol is 100% mafia look at his erratic behaviour, look at his lynchs (YES hes the one lynching 3 times) Look at what he said to Ace before viging him: "I cant be vigied so you got vigied i got lynched", guess what, the town leader after that lynched Quickstriker. Cant you fucking see that he is just buying time? or you dont want to see it? really? At this point im working in this thesis: Both mafia had contact first day. Why? because Qatol someone i consider 100% mafia at this point didnt wanted to lynch JeeJee another 100% mafia in my book, not just because of clues but because after being "saved" has done nothing. 0 none. The only real reason for him to stay alive is because he is mafia. Maybe both mafias dont want to hit eachother until X point or something but this is what I think Qatol and JeeJee are mafia. And WTF this is obviously my town, stop trolling. | ||
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On May 05 2009 20:56 motbob wrote: I was 99% inactive before voting on Day 3 and I read something like 10 pages of this thread and I immediately knew Qatol was mafia... come on guys. The sad thing is that it's too late. With the combined voting power of the mayor and the rest of the Mafia, I don't know if we can actually lynch Qatol at all I feel like last mafia game was the Club Day MSL, this game is Carthage and Tears of the Moon, and the mafia is the Zerg. YES WE CAN. | ||
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On May 07 2009 19:10 Ace wrote: I think honestly you guys should just end the game. Give up. As a town you are just so bad it's not even worth reading the game any more. QUIT. On May 07 2009 19:50 Showtime! wrote: lol Since Ace is talking. Yeah, I sort of knew Qatol was GF. This is why you vote for the fucking *cough* medic *cough* next time. I thought I made it abundantly clear, but I guess not. Don't bandwagon so early next time. Some of you really have a knack for voting reds into office. I'm glad they took me out early. I really didn't want to deal with all the drama. There's a reason why I stopped PMing Q and the others. Is the game over? | ||
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On May 07 2009 21:03 Ace wrote: the game was over the day I died and some really smart guys decided no, Qatol is making good plays even though they still never found a mafia. Actually no it was over far before that when some REALLY smart people decided it was wise to tell players their roles even though there is no way to find out if these people are legit. Why do people do this? The problem here is that this happens all games, you like it or not. Last game sog got a pm from a dt that had rolechecked the other dt wtf? and the game was over as well. | ||
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On May 08 2009 00:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Also do we have a double lynch for today? He didn't post it but we all should of voted it :/ Yeah double lynch triggered but i doubt it would be enough. Also im thinking you and me wont be able to vote. Or maybe just me jajaja. | ||
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On May 08 2009 05:00 Mynock wrote: Both Chuiu and Dreamflower are inactive, among them Chuiu looks like the more fish one. What about Dreamflower? Also, I hope any remaining medics are on Malongo. I dont know if i played incredibly well so everyone still alive knows im townie side or incredibly bad... (: | ||
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On May 08 2009 05:47 Caller wrote: Tomorrow, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE lynch Monoxide AND Hyperbola. It would be most appreciated. Sorry Caller, you lost all your rights after your hit. I mean 0 dignity. | ||
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A- JeeJee. I have enough smiles this game. All the idiots hit and smile, snicker, show wicked smiles and so JeeJee is going up the lynch. Also note that after Qatol saved JeeJees ass he never ever added shit. Thats not a townie acting. B- Ver. Yeah. I really think ver has a lot of clues but honestly my main concern about him is that he has never played a game without adding 0. Also note his claim while voting Qatol first day "DO IT". I also ask the town to keep going Double Lynch, at least we wont leave the town without fight. | ||
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Reason: Ls quote is a :D wich can be undertood as a smile, or a rolling head. | ||
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On May 08 2009 06:48 Caller wrote: Dude are you guys fucking retarded SOMEONE IS BLOCKING THE MOONLIGHT FROM SCAMP GEE WONDER WHAT BLOCKS THE MOONLIGHT A FUCKING ECLIPSE THATS WHAT BLOCKS SUN/MOONLIGHT OR 3CLIPSE WTF Then use a vigi hit. Ehm... Ready to morph... 3...2...1... Malongo has evolved into... | ||
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On May 08 2009 07:01 Mynock wrote: Unless you actually have something on me (Behaviour? Don't think so. Visor? Not anymore. Row of teeth? How many times till u get that mynocks have none?) vote together with everybody else or go your own way and look damn suspicious in the process. Why not double lynch tomorrow mynock? | ||
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LucasWoJ 0cz3c Please: vote 3clipse and ver. If we cant end the game with dignity we will do it with a big laugh. | ||
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On May 08 2009 07:14 0cz3c wrote: Malongo, here are my thoughts: Quick question: Why are we voting for 3clipse when all we have are clues on him (and I feel one of them is hardly a clue)? The Ver voting I can understand, since, behaviorally, he's suspicious. In fact, he's third on my list. But 3clipse? We need to get two mafias today, and our evidence against JeeJee is extremely solid. This extreme bandwagoning is irrational. This apparent bandwagoning convinces me that we've lost this game already and mafia is just auto-lynching by vote now. Honestly this is not about bandwagon. This is about doing the lynch in the better way we can. At least theres a high chance that Caller is indeed vigi and 3clipse has like 34243546 clues as well: the moon, the pc message, come on just read the thread. There are clues as good as JeeJee to 3clipse. | ||
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On May 08 2009 07:23 0cz3c wrote: Malongo, I sent you a PM explaining to you why I think that this move will cause us to undoubtedly lose the game. Please respond. PM answered. | ||
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On April 25 2009 16:05 Malongo wrote: fuck i blame fucking pms, mafia couldnt have figured 2 dts first day. That or lynch ver asap imo. | ||
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On May 08 2009 07:59 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: you guys are fucking pricks. This move was clearly stolen from us in M4. Was there two mafias? Yeah this is nonsense you know? | ||
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On May 08 2009 08:02 Qatol wrote: Excuse me... I only had 2 blues roleclaim to me. Vivi57 and Showtime! oh ok thats "fair". IDIOTS | ||
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On May 08 2009 08:06 Ver wrote: Both of these we pegged on behavior analysis beforehand anyway. Lucas and 3clipse figured out Pyrr's role from their billion PM's but we never got a direct roleclaim from anyone that we didn't already know. Oh and btw my absences were legit up until the last two days when I didn't need to post since it was game over. I did not want to be mafia since I knew I'd have very little time, but alas that was not to be the case. In addition the game started half a week earlier than it was originally planned to be. you liar you never miss to play when you are townie. I had you since day 2. no kidding read the thread. And the townies have to learn to play with less pms, thats only help for the mafia. | ||
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On May 08 2009 08:10 Qatol wrote: Seriously true. Over 150 PMs to me in the first week. It was just insane. Kinda the reason I was quieter than I should have been haha. Ill never talk to you again. After all my work... i feel used... it hurts you know? | ||
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On May 08 2009 08:13 Qatol wrote: Hey, I didn't even know I was mafia until after your posters. Next time let me die like a martir instead of making the fool of me  | ||
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On May 08 2009 08:15 Qatol wrote: But you saved my life for a day! Sorry, but you were more useful to me alive. yeah that was the only thingy i regret for this game. I should have pushed all the way when i got you. | ||
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On May 08 2009 08:23 Ver wrote: I don't lie about my absences. The two games I've been townie I've had much more time than I did this game, same with BC's first game when I was mafia and plotting all day in irc. In Caller's game I had less time and this game I barely had any until a week ago but I really didn't need to post since game was already over so I didn't bother. You're just being overly paranoid. Just like when you thought I was secretly smurfing in Chuiu's aborted game. Me being absent was actually how Qatol figured out I was mafia since our side's hits were so delayed (the others had to sent them in actually since I wasn't around). BC and Qatol both knew how long I'd be gone before the game began. I specifically asked to not be mafia so I wouldn't be a hindrance but it was forgotten. Its not about the absence. Its about what you add when you post. This time you added 0 and posted I vote Qatol do it. LOL. And about that game i didnt say YOU were smurfing i said some veterans where smurfing and I think Ace was. Well it doesnt matter really. | ||
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On May 08 2009 08:29 HeavOnEarth wrote: issues; 1) perm ban for in actives from TL 2) spammy profiles= outlawed? =/ That has been discussed sooooo many times. I mean i dont care if mafia hides in the inactives thats normal, but wtf about the other guys. Look at the rest of the town alive, how the hell can the town tell if blue arrow or so no fek is the mafia? | ||
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-Smaller games please. 40 people is enough to get the game going. -Ban lists yay! -Numbers. This is so bad for the town. -Dont give Caller a blue rol. Dont give Malongo a blue rol. | ||
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On May 08 2009 08:44 HeavOnEarth wrote: yeh some ppl didnt post at all and just voted that was weird part of the mass PM thing i guess then Again that only hurts the town. | ||
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On May 08 2009 08:52 mikeymoo wrote: Happy DT Malongo. Sick, looks like I'm way too transparent as a townie. But nobody hit me =[ yeah we realtownies are not taste for mafia hits. DT ! | ||
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On May 08 2009 09:02 LucasWoJ wrote: There was no way, Tricode. Btw, does anyone still have the Mafia MVP stuff? Who was that awarded to? Ace, versatile, malongo, tricode and someone else were all mentioned. And good thing we put two on pyrr the first night. =O i want to know about this. moooaree | ||
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On May 08 2009 09:29 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: hey if anyone wants help with next game or wants me to make some video clues or something could be fun No please. Interactive clues remind me of Caller singing. | ||
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On May 08 2009 09:53 Incognito wrote: Also its sad how we get a more activity in the last 24 hours than in the last week combined. Meh thats just because mafia got active just look at the townies active. | ||
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On May 08 2009 09:57 Scamp wrote: I was planning on being a lot more active but I had such an important role I didn't want to get into any kind of frays. At least I never protected any Mafias. I was really worried about it after I protected Vivi57 and then he basically clammed up after that. But I was dead wrong about Quickstriker. You protected Malongo. You played pretty well. | ||
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On May 08 2009 09:59 Incognito wrote: Whats up with you? You sounded really suspicious in pms. Especially when you kept hinting at the fact that your DT might be fact. Repeatedly. And what was up with your medic list??? LOL sorry but you were the one suspicious to me in PMs. My medic list was... how to say... no medic list at all. | ||
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On May 08 2009 16:12 Camlito wrote: LOL WTF I WAS FULLY RIGHT ON MY CLUES THIS TOWN SUCKS, LISTEN TO MALONGO MORE. j/k malongo, you tried ./end Bragging rant well played mafia... actually nah you didn't even do anything special. to be honest i was quite well in my voting for last day -> ver, L. Even after the council ver + 3clipse gave us 2 mafia. | ||
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On May 08 2009 20:11 Showtime! wrote: - With that said, read between the lines! I gave you guys SOG on Day 1. Likewise, I gave our DTs a chance to make Caller and myself the core. I didn't lie when I pointed the Town to SOG, Caller and myself. I said only one of us is Mafia. As for the rest? Caller and I would make a strong core and we missed it. If the DTs did their checks we wouldn't have been in this mess and the medics would have known who to protect. Yeah sure. Protecting ver, trading info with Qatol and hitting Ace. Strong core ftw!. | ||
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1- While I think hidden numbers is playable (about roles), I think that its a handicap for the town more than mafia. I mean theres no way to counter-check a player for trustability. Lack of info hurts the town incredibly in this case. 2- Two mafias is a good idea. Letting them play together not. After mafia A "found" mafia B there was nothing the town could do. It was a 6 KP machine against a 1 KP unorganized town. Even with full town operation and 0 inactives 9 players can cause enough confusion to buy time. If something the winning conditions should have been separated win, to force at least a couple of crossed hits. 3- Office sucks. I ve posted this at least 3 times in mafia discussion. Last game (chuiu) a DT gets the office, some smart rolechecks and from there it was GG. I mean, even if we dont want it there will be always players roleclaiming to the head of the town. Semioldguy made it clear about not roleclaiming him, yet a DT that rolechecked a DT contacted him. This game Qatol got a DT and a MD to roleclaim. So i still think No More Office. 4- DTs are now way underpowered. They can no longer trust anyone, they cant rolecheck day 1 they cant do checklists. More important: they need time to help the town. The only thing we got from the DT alive were 2 cluechecks. With the mafia aiming them and the capped power they have i think its time to raise them a little. | ||
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On May 09 2009 23:13 0cz3c wrote: Ace is absolutely right. This game was perfectly balanced. Two things killed the town: its general inactivity and its nonsensical stupidity. You guys ignored very legitimate analysis and convictions until the very end (when it was far too late). I think if Ace had explained why Qatol was mafia, Qatol might have died earlier, but the fact that he lived as long as he did really speaks loudly about the town. This is so wrong people. The moment both mafias "found" eachother there was no more balance with these winning conditions. I mean to be "perfectly balanced" the game ended day 5, theres no way you can call this perfect balance even with the town inactive and not playing well. | ||
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Day 1: Qatol Mayor, Inerpinept lynched. Day 2: Multiple discussion, 3 people to lych nobody mafia, versatile lynched. Day 3: Qatol get away saving his ass, Quickstriker lunched. Day 4: Qatol annihilated. Day 5: Town gets 2 mafia, inactivity kills town, mafia sway the votes GG. I mean wheres the balance? Even with full town activity day 5 mafia could have easily sway the lynch, and in that point numbers were like 25 or so townies to 9 mafia. Assuming the game is "perfectly balanced" means town has to lynch forcefully day 2 or 3, and even then i doubt the result could have change. Lets suppose Qatol lynched day 3, then day 4 what? monoxide? quickstriker? we would have come to day 5 in exaclty the same position AT BEST with an extra mafia lynched. I really think calling the game balanced is nonsense, mafia won i have no trouble about that, they played well and the town bad. However this game was not balanced. Period. | ||
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On May 10 2009 05:02 Qatol wrote: Then why was chuiu's game seen as balanced possibly favoring the mafia? Same mafia count. Same KP. There was 1 less vigi but 2 veterans. There were 2 CKs but no millers. And there was no sheriff. Oh yeah, and the mafia could kill each other night 1.... Seems to me like the mafia took a pretty big hit when comparing this game to last game. Please stop taking this personal. I said that game that it was imba mafia too. Ok just forget this. | ||
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On May 10 2009 05:08 Qatol wrote: Assuming perfect balance, the town figures out a way to decrease KP before day 5..... With any previous setup, the town still would have lost if they only managed to find 1 mafia on their own before day 5. Are you trying to say the town should be allowed to miss on the first 3 lynches + a vigi hit + lose another vigi without him using his hit and still have a reasonable chance to win? HOLY SHIT YES. You think the game has to be defined in 5 days and 4 town lynches? First of all you are still adressing points that are not part of the balance. Mafia hitting vigi and vigi doing stupid moves arent part of the balance. a) The town didnt miss the first 3 lynches (the mayor Mafia misslynched 1then 2 mislynches 1 mafia) SO the counter point is everytime the mafia takes the office the town has to lynch 2/3? this is nonsense and what i have been telling all aroun EVEN THINKING IN 2/3 WE WERE SCREWE D b) Afaik your KP OF 6 didnt decrease after losing a mafia (one family). So even lynching 2/3 at best we would have decreased 1 KP. and then DAY 5 town would have been the same. Ok im out. | ||
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On May 10 2009 05:20 Qatol wrote: Ok, so with 2 vigi hits, 5 lynches, and you probably should have been using 2 double lynches by day 5 (9 kills) you can't kill 2 mafia? I'm not saying anything about how I played. That is irrelevant right now. I'm just trying to ask you what you think would be balanced? How many mafia do you think the town should have to figure out by day 4? day 5? Personally, I think it should be at LEAST 3-4 by day 5. I just went back and checked BC's first game (which was pretty close). 4 mafia dead day 4, 5 on day 5. Do you think the town needs to work faster than that? Slower than that? You sure checked about checklists didnt you? AH and no millers and rolechecks first day. Honestly im replying to a wall. LETS WORK THIS WAY QATOL: 1 First day lynch is random based. The town has almost 0 chance to get a mafia even with a townie in the office. TRUE OR FALSE you reply please. 2 Days 2, 3, 4 and five the town got a mafia lynch TRUE OR FALSE 3 EVEN supposing that town got 2 mafia lynchs day 2 3 4 DID THE TOWN STAND A CHANCE DAY 5? TRUE or FALSE. | ||
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All im saying is: after mafia A found mafia B there was no chance for the town. Just look at the numbers. The town should have played almost a perfect game to get a chance. | ||
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On May 10 2009 05:44 Ver wrote: You are completely wrong, sorry. If town played perfectly with qatol as mayor. mayor lynch- miss day 1- hit (vote double) day 2- vigi 2x hit, lynch 2x hit (vote double) day 3- lynch 2x hit (vote double) day 4- lynch 2x hit 9 mafia dead by day 4. Assuming perfect game with qatol as mayor. Considering bockit died by mafia hands that would've been game by day 4 (which is around when mafia had pretty much victory guaranteed). Obviously you don't need a perfect game to win or anything close. With 9 potential KP, even 2 hits would've worked out ok and you could've went into late game on reasonable footing. Mafia with 4 KP is very different than mafia with 6 KP. Double lynches, misused vigi hits. You guys had plenty of KP, just didn't use it since you had all the wrong targets and so much uncertainty. Blues didn't hide themselves well, etc. Arguing this is kinda ridiculous. BC even gave you guys more blues than he should've (extra dt and medic). Yeah ver whatever. So the town has to use the double lynchs asap and everyday to get the perfect game. You are indeed right arguing with you is ridiculous your points are absurd. | ||
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On May 10 2009 05:43 Qatol wrote: I agree day 1 lynch is totally random. Town has approximately a 1 in 5 chance of getting a mafia. However I think it isn't unreasonable for the town to have killed at least 1 mafia with the day 2 lynch and/or the night 2 vigi hits. KP formula this game was funky, but the town HAS to decrease it decently early or they stand no chance. And that is how I think it should be. I argue that you are forgetting about vigi hits. Also you don't think it would have mattered if you had taken away a KP from us earlier? If you had killed say Ver day 2 and me day 3 (or vice versa)? Do you even know what that would have done to our bluesniping? Not to mention my family had about even odds of just putting in a hitlist on the other family. I realize that game had votechecks. Vigilantes also had 2 hits instead of 1. Notice I decreased the number of mafia I expected to catch by day 5 (the town had 5 and could have barely won if they had stayed active; I said I expect town to have caught 3-4 on our their meaning 4-5 dead mafia thanks to 2 families). Again, how many dead mafia do you think is reasonable by day 4 or day 5? Honestly you didnt answer all my questions. Calling that the vigi hits balance the game is nonsense, one vigi failed other was killed before hit, thats part of the game not completly related to balance. If something vigis DONT want to send theyr hits early so calling balance there is not really fair for the disscusion. Please lets AGAIN think suppose ver was killed day 3 for a vigi well played, DID THE TOWN STAND A CHANCE DAY 5? And most importantly Day 5 we HAD 2 mafia but we didnt stand a chance to get the votes even with full activity. This is my last post. I dont want to keep this going just look and read oczec, L and ver responses, the only thing you are arguing is how well mafia sniped blues or how bad the town played, i really dont care. | ||
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On May 10 2009 04:40 L wrote: Malongo, if the town had another 3 active people with their heads out of their asses, the votes on day 2, 3 and 4 would have been different and we wouldn't have been able to pull a 2 mafia lynch and plop it onto 2 townies AND cut the double lynch. If the town didn't have multiple members trying to incriminate themselves by posting like retards and refusing to explain their wild accusations, voting would have been different too. Both versatile and ace played very poorly during day 2 which gave us a huge opening which we capitalized on. The reason why it seems like things were so lopsided is because the vast majority of blues stuck their necks out and got raped. There were ZERO vigi hits on mafia, ZERO CK hits on mafia, a late start to double lynching and incredibly poor accuracy from town. Mafia teams were 5 people each: if you double lynched us correctly on that day 5 post, we would have dropped to 4kp, and been largely fucked if you followed that up with another successful double lynch. Needed more time to smoke out mafia? Doesn't seem like it due to all of these "lol i knew 3 mafia on day 2" posts we're getting. Additionally, Qatol and I talked about having to kill the other family the moment he told me he called out Ver. When I was arguing that mafia would work together despite having to kill each other at the end, I wasn't talking out of my ass. I was actually giving you the exact reason why it would happen regardless of the end rules. Mafia having to kill each other at the end is irrelevant if they recognize what mafia have in prior games: More days means more clues. More clues means you can't hide forever. You NEED the other mafia's killing power to chop the town down to size. I mean, go ahead and look at what happened each day as you listed it. Each were good plays by us and terrible plays by the town. Should we lose for playing near perfectly? Should we lose because the vast majority of your players decided to play footsie in PMs and got raped for it? According to you, the town should have had an equal chance to win despite a grand total of 4 members of the entire town actually putting in meaningful work. Sorry but that's not balance. Get your fucking ego out if you want to discuss balance, should we lose? wtf? | ||
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On May 10 2009 13:03 L wrote: Rofl. If this game was balanced, the team that performed better should win. Correct? Town played horribly. Mafia played near perfectly. Mafia should win under those circumstances, and they did. I think you need to take a step back, drink a cold one and relax before making another post here. Thats exactly the point. You are still arguing who played better look at your arguments. Im arguing about balance. | ||
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That we played better or not is not a matter of argument. Town played like complete shit, we did not. Maybe you should learn how an argument is formed before telling me what my argument is. Feel free to separate a premise from a conclusion and read my posts again. SO you want to validate this : "The game is balanced." Lets look at this argument: -If this game was balanced, the team that performed better should win. Correct? sure thats right -Town played horribly. Mafia played near perfectly. Mafia should win under those circumstances, and they did. (That we played better or not is not a matter of argument.) seems like its part of this argument... :D. Hey sherlock! so the game is balanced because the side that played best won? oops you have a logic problem right there. If a team played better than the other and won doesnt imply that the game is balanced. Learn some logic its not Balanced<=>Better team win. Its obvious that the better team can win and the game still be imba. Just to make you think a bit. | ||
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On May 10 2009 18:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Malongo, do me a favour, never host. This game is tweaked so that both sides have issues, but overall favours the town with added blue roles, and mafia kp being divided till mafia finds eachother. So yes it was slightly imbalanced towards town, and you lost, stop bitching already. Sure. I wasnt bitching learn to read. | ||
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