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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
May 01 2009 13:57 GMT
#761
If anyone else took a hit last night please speak up.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
May 01 2009 14:01 GMT
#762
lol..
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t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
May 01 2009 14:40 GMT
#763
First off, I can't believe I'm still alive. I didn't recieve any notice of a medic.

Second--we got a lot of deaths but that means a lot of clues. We should break down the day post into the acts of different mafia, then come up with a list of nicknames for each mafia. All this will be based on clue patterns. See below.

On May 01 2009 17:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
[image loading]


Day 3


The town dispersed once more, fleeing for the safety. Some went to their homes, others to places they believed to be safe. Everyone thought they were safe, the clock had struck 2, and no sounds were yet to be heard, all was clear this night.

With that in mind, Rage and truthbringer left the bar they had been hiding in. Rage walked down the street, gun in hand, with truthbringer following closely behind. As rage turned onto the block in which he lived, he heard a grunt from behind him, he turned and leveling his gun, saw a garrote wire around Truthbringers neck, and a figure standing closely behind him. He darted to the side to get a better shot, only to feel something slam into the back of his left leg, dropping him to the ground, as he turned his head to the side, he caught a quick glimpse of a man swinging a long object, caving rage head in. Quickly thereafter truthbringer head rolled across the sidewalk.

Ok the big clue here is in the last two sentences--both talk about the head. Remember that's how bockit died too. Whose profile talks about the head a lot? Once we have a list based on that then we go for the auxiliary clues in this passage (like long object, and garrote).

Across town, Fakesteve[tpr], amber[light], and infundibulum were staked out inside fakesteve’s house. The three had each taken up guard at different points in the house to prevent being hit. Fakesteve was in the living room, behind a couch, gun pointed at the largest window, waiting for mafia to attempt to enter. Amber[light] was at the top of the stairs with a rifle aimed at the front door, and Infundibulum had a shotgun aimed at the backdoor. The three waited in silence, for any sound of an attack. Amber[light] was the first to hear a sound, and slowly turning, he heard a creaking sound from a room down the hall. Cautiously he investigated, and slid into the room. He saw Fakesteve’s computer on, which he knew had been turned off hours earlier, so he moved around the room, looking for signs of entry. As he passed the desk he noticed a weird phrase on the screen. As amber[light] looked down from the computer, he noticed a figure under the desk, and a metal glint in his hand. Two silent shots later, amber[light] collapsed to the ground, and the man fired another shot into the body’s head for good measure.

wierd phrases; unfortunately, the only one I can think of is uff da. Sorry Qatol =(. This mafia will be known as Mr. Incomprehensible.

Infundibulum heard a thud from upstairs, and slowly started to back up, moving for the staircase to check on his friend. As he turned to the staircase, he noticed a man staring at him from the kitchen, he moved forward weapon in hand, and charged, and let a shot fire. The cupboards splintered open, and the man ducked to the side, and flew his arm out to the side waving an object at Infundibulum, with a wicked smile on his face. As the man hit the floor, infundibulum reloaded, then moving forward again, slipped on the debris on the ground, and dropped his gun, which hit the ground and fired, shredding Infundibulum’s chest.

Here, Infundi is killed with his own weapon after stepping into a trap. Let's call him the "Jigsaw Killer", the guy from Saw who never directly murders anyone. That seems to be his hallmark and let's go for that.

Fakesteve[tpr] never had a chance to retaliate; he turned towards the kitchen at the sound of shotgun fire, only to be enveloped in a black shroud. He felt an object glide through his shoulder and down to his heart, and something probe his jacket pockets before the void took him.

Still thinking about this one.

Three blocks away, Ace was gathering his things, and then lifting a hood over his head, he left his house, in search of clues towards the mafia hidden in the town. As he left his house, he saw a man, eyes wide open, shakily level a machine gun. Moment’s later ace was dead.

Nervousness and overkill are the two themes for this mafioso. Also eyes wide open could imply something. Whose picture seems to imply that? This guy has the clearest set of clues--nervous, overkill, and overalert (possibly drugged). Let's call him "Lithium Man."

Showtime! and laxercannon headed for the gunshots, hoping to be able to save whomever they could. As they ran, they saw a man hiccupping and swaying moving towards them. Showtime moved to see if he was ok, and moved his hands to steady him, the next thing Showtime! knew, he had a knife stuck in his chest. Laxercannon turned, and drawing a knife of his own he moved to attack the man, only to stop dead, as an arrow pierced his neck. As laxercannon fell, he saw a man stepping out of a nearby alley.

Arrow? I'm looking toward blue_arrow here. As for the hiccupping man, he screams sneaky in some way (possible dark templar/ninja reference). Also hiccupping and swaying are signs of drunkenness. Still analyzing.
[no clue area]

Time to vote on who to lynch.
vote here
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t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
May 01 2009 14:44 GMT
#764
The "head" guy in the above analysis could be termed "Decapitation Strike."
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 01 2009 15:26 GMT
#765
I am going to bold and enumerate the odd phrasings in the day post for easier reference in the future:

The town dispersed once more, fleeing for the safety. 1. Some went to their homes, others to places they believed to be safe. Everyone thought they were safe, the clock had struck 2, and no sounds were yet to be heard, all was clear this night.

Repetition of safe, potentially 2 o'clock are non clues

With that in mind, Rage and truthbringer left the bar they had been hiding in. Rage walked down the street, gun in hand, with truthbringer following closely behind. As rage turned onto the block in which he lived, he heard a 2. grunt from behind him, he turned and leveling his gun, saw 3. a garrote wire around Truthbringers neck, and a figure standing closely behind him. He darted to the side to get a better shot, only 4. to feel something slam into the back of his left leg, dropping him to the ground, as he turned his head to the side, he caught a quick glimpse of a man swinging a long object, caving rage head in. 5. Quickly thereafter truthbringer head rolled across the sidewalk.
2. Grunt: Manly type man? Rugged? Warcraft 3 grunt? Orc? Can't speak?
3. Garrote wire: Fairly brutal, choking -> leads to 5. Decapitation
4. Long object kneecaps, then crushes rage's skull.

2 mafia here. Choking Grunt and Head Caver

Across town, Fakesteve[tpr], amber[light], and infundibulum were staked out inside fakesteve’s house. The three had each taken up guard at different points in the house to prevent being hit. Fakesteve was in the living room, behind a couch, gun pointed at the largest window, waiting for mafia to attempt to enter. Amber[light] was at the top of the stairs with a rifle aimed at the front door, and Infundibulum had a shotgun aimed at the backdoor. The three waited in silence, for any sound of an attack. Amber[light] was the first to hear a sound, and slowly turning, he heard a creaking sound from a room down the hall. Cautiously he investigated, and slid into the room. He saw Fakesteve’s computer on, which he knew had been turned off hours earlier, so he moved around the room, looking for signs of entry. 6. As he passed the desk he noticed a weird phrase on the screen. As amber[light] looked down from the computer, he noticed a figure under the desk, and a metal glint in his hand. Two silent shots later, amber[light] collapsed to the ground, and the man fired another shot into the body’s head for good measure.

6. Incomprehensible strikes again with 3 shots. They were silent and he takes precautions by shooting the head. Professional? Safe?

This is probably the candidate we have the most information on, and I think we can pull something out of incomprehensible phrase since its likely to be directly related to someone's name, profile or signature.


Infundibulum heard a thud from upstairs, and slowly started to back up, moving for the staircase to check on his friend. As he turned to the staircase, he noticed a man 7. staring at him from the kitchen, he moved forward weapon in hand, and charged, and let a shot fire. The cupboards splintered open, and the man ducked to the side, and 8 .flew his arm out to the side waving an object at Infundibulum, with a wicked smile on his face. As the man hit the floor, infundibulum reloaded, then moving forward again, 9. slipped on the debris on the ground, and dropped his gun, which hit the ground and fired, shredding Infundibulum’s chest.

7. Alright, so the guy is patient, or is a stalker of some sort. Maybe a link to a picture in which the person is staring or an emoticon with large eyes.

8. Man waves some fucking object?

9. Trips and falls.

8. & 9. Lead me to believe that Stalker's weapon is something which can trip people, and that it can be waved. I was thinking it was ball bearings or something originally but that can't really be waved. I'd like to hear other opinions on this one because I think there's a lot of potential here.


Fakesteve[tpr] never had a chance to retaliate; he turned towards the kitchen at the sound of 10. shotgun fire, only to be enveloped in a black shroud. He felt an object glide through his shoulder and down to his heart, and something probe his jacket pockets before the void took him.

10. Alright, we have a:
-shotgun
-shroud-> potentially linked to the fact that he just got shotgunned, or maybe his face was bagged
-something that can cut through a shoulderblade straight to the heart (which would be fucking difficult with a conventional weapon)
-and the guy fucking robs him. Seems like a highway robber type.


Three blocks away, Ace was gathering his things, and then lifting a hood over his head, he left his house, in search of clues towards the mafia hidden in the town. As he left his house, he saw [b 11. ]a man, eyes wide open, shakily level a machine gun. Moment’s later ace was dead.

11. Wide eyes. shaky hands. An addict? A sugar high? Excitable? Sick?

Showtime! and laxercannon headed for the gunshots, hoping to be able to save whomever they could. As they ran, they saw a man 12. hiccupping and swaying moving towards them. Showtime moved to see if he was ok, and moved his hands to steady him, the next thing Showtime! knew, he had a knife stuck in his chest. Laxercannon turned, and drawing a knife of his own 13. he moved to attack the man, only to stop dead, as an arrow pierced his neck. As laxercannon fell, he saw a man stepping out of a nearby alley.
12. Drunk with a knife. Hobo? Someone drinking in their profile picture? Reference to alcohol?
13. Archer from the dark. Arrows and colour juxtaposed. Seems accurate, hides in alleys: maybe someone down on his luck?

[/b]


The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 01 2009 15:48 GMT
#766
Guys,

First of all I would like to say that I was half drunk when I decided to hit Ace last night as a vigilante. Mostly because town is fucked and I did it for the lols. XDDDDD

But then I read the clues that were attached to me, and suddenly I got an idea. Notice how the person in question is shaking his hands-clearly, he is terrified. My profile page has "i am extremely terrified of chinese people," which is where I assume the clue points towards. As I no longer have any kills, my role is now basically that of a townie. There will be those whom assume that Ace isn't chinese and therefore the clue doesn't point to me, in which case I respond that you're reading too deeply into the clue.

Now what does this mean? I am either:
a) faking it and is townie/veteran
b) actually a vigilante
c) scum or godfather that planned this 2 days in advance.

But think about it: this here gives us an idea of what BC uses for clues. I am also exposing myself, which would be stupid as GF considering the other mafia will hit me no matter my true role, and why would I expose myself.

In any case here's what I believe the KP is:

3 per mafia
1 for me
1 for the CK

And one more thing: if I"m the CK, why the hell would I expose myself so early? That would incredibly stupid with two sets of mafia, unless I've actually made contact with both factions and decided to solely fuck town.

Later in the evening, I suggest that a DT (assuming there are any left) run a rolecheck on me to confirm I am not the CK. I think I've already explained why me claiming and being GF is just dumb. Sure I have town list of roles, but other mafia gets a free GF kill.

At that point, once I have been confirmed, I would like to get everybody's roles together so we could possibly organize night actions for at least one night before I get axed.
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
May 01 2009 16:16 GMT
#767
Caller: How would a DT claim his check? We obviously don't want them claiming in public.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 01 2009 16:28 GMT
#768
What I think would be a good idea is have a DT role check caller. Then have the DT go public (I know this is a bad idea, because we lose a DT but I feel it to be necessary in order to gain some stable organization here.

Then We should medic protect BOTH Caller and the DT heavily for the first night, until the DT can perform another role check on someone who caller and himself believe to be innocent. If the rolecheck confirms it they share all the information with that individual and that person DOES NOT go public or become known to anyone. We want the mafia guessing on who it could be. Then when we can finally get the town coordinated and try to figure out ways to prove who is what and who is who and coordinate efforts to figure out who the fuck the mafia is.


We need to do this very fast peepz
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 01 2009 16:28 GMT
#769
ebwopzzz if anyone else agrees with me that is.
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LTT
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Shakuras1095 Posts
May 01 2009 16:38 GMT
#770
Caller, wtf?

On April 25 2009 00:40 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2009 23:09 Malongo wrote:
The real problem about activity is that we cant do anything else until the day post comes in, most of the discussion comes from the clues, so if there are no clues theres not too much to add at least from my side (yeah and quickstriker still looks mafia to me). The other point is that lack of info about the numbers is way to painful for the town, because there are millers and gf. I mean theres almost no way to counter-check a player for trustability because the amount of blues/mafia is hidden.

I have an idea
We look for vigis to make a kill on day 2. A vigi will send a pm to three people, good players, saying that they will hit so and so tonight. Then we watch and count hits. If hits are right, that vigi can roleclaim and volunteer they were vigi. They already used their hit so if they die they won't be that important, as long as the vigi makes list. Then we can stack medics and assign night roles to see if the night roles go through with it. If hits are lower than expected, we do a cluecheck on the kill and vigi, and that can be arranged through no dts saying anything. If the clue does not point to that person, we lynch them. For added safety, we target a high suspicion person, so if someone is faking big and be like "oh mafia blocked my hit" we will get a better idea of who are suspects without using a lynch. Then we tell him to do another high suspicion target, and if it happens again the vigi should be highly suspect as mafia.


You were a strong advocate for vigis PMing their hits to 3 people before the hit happened. Your latest post is written as if you waited for the clues and then decided to out yourself.

Did you PM 3 people beforehand?
If not, why the sudden shift between your actions and your words?

I fought you every step of the way on this plan because a CK could get in. The only way around that is rolechecks. With 2 dead DTs, we probably only have 1 DT left if the ratios are similar to previous games. We don't have the rolechecks to confirm you without sacrificing our last DT.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 01 2009 16:54 GMT
#771
The reason I did not follow through is because there are two mafia and this changes everything. Qatol had actually posted a counter to this plan in a pm with the ck and gf. But with 2 mafia. The plan doesn't work as well. Consider how dumb it would be for ck here, with four factions here.
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 01 2009 17:01 GMT
#772
Gotta say that the shaking hands and fear DO match up pretty well.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
LTT
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Shakuras1095 Posts
May 01 2009 17:14 GMT
#773
Ok. Without knowing the CKs objectives, we have no way of knowing how dumb this move would be. What if it is PM BC the roles of all the living players with an accuracy over xx%? -_-

Here's what we know:
1.) You broke from your own plan and elimnated any way for us to confirm that you are not a godfather. Your reasoning is that it would be too risky for a godfather to do this because there is another family, but I disagree. One family learns everyone's roles and has control over any inconsistencies to root out the other mafia all for the cheap, cheap price of a single mafia member. Additionaly, it almost takes the town completely out of the game as they will sit back and wait for you to make all their decisions with all of your information.
2.) You have no way of confirming that you are not a CK without sacrificing our probably last DT, if we even have another. Without role counts, we can only guess.

If we take you at your word and hope we have a DT to sacrifice to "confirm" you, we still have 2 big problems.

1.) The timeline is off. If our DT used his rolecheck as early as possible, he won't have a RC available until night 4. This means that in order to confirm you both you and the DT have to survive until then...
2.) Night 4, the DT rolechecks you and you come back as Vigi. Does he announce that in the thread? How do the rest of us know that he is actually a DT and not a mafia member? We can kill him to confirm but that will take either another vigi hit or we will have to wait until the lynch on Day 5.
3.) Those of us still alive then send our roles to you on Night 5 and you look for inconsistencies. Who do you trust to pass this information off to in case you die?

It would require medics to stack on you for 2 straight nights, while the mafia is free to slaughter the rest of us. It requires the last DT to survive, if there is another one. If there isn't, then the medic stack will be so very bad for us.

Can you propose a faster timeline than night 5?
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 01 2009 17:41 GMT
#774
Arg fuck, I forgot about the DT down time. Lets just kill caller!!! but yeah, by night 5 most of us will already be dead. That is another 16 dead I believe? assuming we don't get any mafia kills and the CKs don't act. I think if we don't get some solid leads by tomorrow we need to start some double lynches, even if not tonight. We NEED to lower mafia kill power before we are all dead.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 01 2009 18:05 GMT
#775
I believe there is a dt that hasn't used a rolecheck yet^^
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-01 18:23:34
May 01 2009 18:08 GMT
#776
On May 01 2009 20:01 Showtime! wrote:
Um, WTF.

I'm pissed. I knew I would die tonight. BC gives us like 4 days before posting anything. It hasn't even been 24 hours later and he posts the Day 3 post.

Well, that's all I can say for now. That's fucked up man. Really fucked up. You guys do the math.



Only reason on the delay for the last day was i was moving. Also, i had most role pm's sent to me before i even transitioned over to night.

It was also a change of 26 hours between night and day
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 01 2009 18:29 GMT
#777
I find it hilarious that the majority of people who have voted are incredibly inactive in this thread.

The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
May 01 2009 18:41 GMT
#778
A Detective checking Caller is not that good of an idea. Not only will this expose a Detective, which could be our last, but it hinges on the fact that Caller has to survive the night. I already mentioned earlier in the thread why it is BAD to try leading the Detectives publicly because it makes the kills potentially more valuable to Mafia by both eliminating a strong player and wasting one of our few precious role-checks we have left because the player they role-checked died.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 01 2009 18:47 GMT
#779
On May 02 2009 03:41 semioldguy wrote:
A Detective checking Caller is not that good of an idea. Not only will this expose a Detective, which could be our last, but it hinges on the fact that Caller has to survive the night. I already mentioned earlier in the thread why it is BAD to try leading the Detectives publicly because it makes the kills potentially more valuable to Mafia by both eliminating a strong player and wasting one of our few precious role-checks we have left because the player they role-checked died.

regardless, even if we don't do anything about what I did, the fact remains that we now know have an idea as to how BC writes clues this round ^^
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semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
May 01 2009 19:05 GMT
#780
Yes. I think you did the right thing by coming forward.
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