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On April 28 2009 01:38 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 01:25 Tricode wrote:On April 28 2009 00:00 Caller wrote:
Why the hell are we double lynching
Why the hell are we lynching JeeJee
There are clearly much stronger lynch targets than JeeJee to begin with, and we have little to no evidence that we have surefire mafia targets.
The only thing a double lynch is good for is hitting when we have a stronger lead on mafia. When we have little to no lead on mafia like we do now, then we're kind of in a shithole, aren't we.
Qatol, what the hell are you doing,, accusing JeeJee like that. While I do admit his defense is pretty crappy, your grounds for lynching him and not Monoxide are flawed. If you remember from last game, most of the mafia we hit were based off a multi-clue pointing, because of the chance that one of the clues was the one in question. Granted we have a different mod this game, but I think there is still a good chance here.
Not to mention that you've been playing very uncharacteristically from previous rounds, and the Uff Da ---> clumsiness clue, seems to me that town should be very cautious about blindly following orders here. Well, if you look at the convo between Bockit and Qatol. Everytime JeeJee is mentioned, Bockit tries to avoid talking about Jeejee will take about Rage instead or just kinda ignore it and point out something else. Bockit also turned up red. The same could be with Monoxide (If i remember correctly), i don't really agree with the clues against him, they're to ambiguous but once again from another source is claiming that his behavior is odd and some stories don't match up. So the question is, what should we do? Well we can keep looking at the clues and try to use what ever time we have left to get something more solid, but in the end it looks like the information we have now is not enough. So what do you recommend we do? Some of us are constantly looking at the clues and matching them up with people, but either the reasons they give are really ambiguous or they come up with nothing for now and have to wait for next set of clues. Either Case I think we still have some time to change our votes, but we need more evidence and persuasion in understanding why one person would be more probable to lynch then the other. looking at it from the general townie's perspective, there's really no solid reason to lynch me or anyone else at this point, but someone has to go to role-reveal and give town some info. if that's going to be me, that's absolutely fine provided you promise to re-read qatol's posts with the knowledge that i was green (once i get lynched i mean). that's all i ask ^^
If you find anything you really don't like about what Qatol posts, can you please post and explain it to us please?
We would like to notice what you noticed if you truely think it is valuable. Either case it might not hurt just to take a look at his posts, but if you can give us an idea of what you want us to look for and why. That would be appreciated.
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[QUOTE]On April 26 2009 10:04 Qatol wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 26 2009 09:56 Qatol wrote:
Bockit:
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Haha yeah, day 1 clues are the worst things haha. I still laugh at the pika chu thing from last game.
And I agree, I'm definitely lower profile than those players.
I've got to go to my after-graduation drinks thing for my uni class (I still have to wait another year ) So I have to bail, but yeah, we need to keep the town active so we can try to trip up some mafia.
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Yeah also shortly after I sent that JeeJee started posting. He definitely isn't worth lynching. But he should be watched. Right now, I think coolcrimefighter is our best bet.
Only major thing I think is important right now in the thread is my medic post. (Do you agree with it? I'm afraid of making it much longer because that would just create a target list like last game.)
Can't do anything about inertinept. At least we TRIED to make a decent decision.
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Suspicious? Yes. Worth lynching him over? In my experience with mafia so far, no. Same as Rage.
I just woke up and am responding to pms before I read the thread, so I don't know if anything has been worked on but the town really needs to stay active. Any plans we develop aren't going to happen until people are able to judge others as blue/green/red so until the day clues we should promote activity in the thread.
Sucks about inertinept btw I wish people would play more intelligently.
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What do you think about JeeJee? Like Rage he isn't posting in the mafia thread. However, they are both posting in the Dota thread.......
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I don't know if I'd call it insight into the situation, it just really comes across as the usual 'newish member' trying to fit in with one of the 'cool' mods that seems to happen all the time here
Hmm, a stronger target? I'm not sure I won't lie I haven't got any huge suspects yet
I could be wrong about quickstriker, my gut says he's not mafia but if you were to pick him I can't imagine anyone complaining (lack of anyone else to pick at this stage really).
Rage is another suspicion of mine. He's been in the staff IRC channel since the thread has come up and I've been aware of it. Normally it's a pretty daunting task to read the first day or so of the thread (I know last game I put this off for half a day, made it worse but w/e) but this thread is only 13~ pages or so, with 5-6 pages of signup stuff that you can pretty much ignore.
But that doesn't mean he's mafia and Rage tends not to post so much iirc from other games, he could be a hiding blue and it would suck to hit a blue.
Looking back that's not really much help for picking a target , I'll keep in touch though with any thoughts.
Thanks for the confidence vote It is reciprocated.
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It is still a bit suspicious Jeejee. Plus you keep saying "Look at Qatol and read his posts" and I am still asking you what did you find about Qatol? I understand you are still trying to defend yourself, but some of the reasoning you keep wanting to look at Qatol.
Is it bad reasoning to be suspicious of you when twice you were mentioned and Bockit just turned the convo onto Rage or other thoughts he had. To add Bockit was Mafia
You are telling me with that information so far we shouldn't be suspicious of you?
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EDit: Well obviously suspicious. WHat i should say, be more inclined to consider you mafia then others with the information we have?
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On April 28 2009 04:37 Ace wrote:
Tricode you can't be serious.
Really JeeJee is right - just look at Qatols post. Look at how he became Mayor. Sure, no one with the exception of Caller and myself (har har) seemed to have run but look at how quickly Qatol got votes. In fact, Im sure some of those people that voted for him did it just because he was the first "candidate".
Now he's trying to push for a double lynch WHEN WE DO NOT NEED ONE. We don't even have 1 sure fire suspect so a regular lynch will barely do - why double lynch?
Lastly, he's trying to make himself look active by accusing people. It makes Qatol seem to be on one side of the "us vs them" paradigm - namely Townies vs Mafia. However people seem to forget that with Bockit dying on Night 1 it has revealed to us that it's more like "us vs them vs those other guys too". There is more than 1 mafia family, so even if JeeJee is guilty that doesn't mean Qatol isn't either. His interests are mafia motivated just as much as anyone he accuses or gets to flip red.
I never said Qatol is innocent, he could be mafia, for me I will just constantly observe even those who appear innocent now could turn up to be mafia later. Though I am seeing two side for the double lynch, I do agree, I don't think now is the time for that when we have no strong evidence like in chuiu's last game.
Though I don't think Jeejee's case should be dismissed. Maybe Qatols post are irregular, fine we should look into that, but it doesn't mean we should ignore Jeejee's case.
Either case, i'm sticking with this rule for now. Keep my friends close and my enemies closer. In either case I have to always keep my eye open.
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Edit: i have to go to class now, I'll be on later.
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On April 28 2009 10:21 Ace wrote:
But thats the thing - there is a lot of information in front of us. How can people vote for JeeJee and a double lynch and NOT QUESTION IT?
Hey you are really defending JeeJee hardcore. You are blowing off the evidence from the pms as if they were nothing.
I will say this, I don't really know anyone here so it makes it a lot more difficult to know how some of you guys really are during this type of game.
But if you are going to fight hardcore for jeejee, can you at least give me more then "JEEJEE is not mafia"
Seriously, all you been saying is "No" or "Yes" with little information.
I don't know you, I am not going to read your mind, and even though there maybe a good portion of vets or people near vet stage, there are those of us who need more then your word.
You mentioned Qatol's behavior and reasoning seem odd, fine. That's something I don't know cause I don't know how Qatol is in the games. But at least Qatol is giving information for me to use and information that I already noticed before he said anything.
If you are going to say the pm evidence between Bockit and Qatol are invalid, then give me some info please!
As far as voting goes, Qatol is the only one who really went all out in giving out reasons of why he should be mayor.
You just told us to trust you by looking at previous games. Sadly it's exam time and we don't got that time to spend, we in a spot where it is hard to trust people right now.
In the case, how do you know you or I are not mafia. We don't, so please don't just make decelerations with out backing it up!
I'm sorry if i missed some of your posts that in one or two cases do back up what you say, so if you do have some, please refer me to them so I can read.
I also don't assume I think we all juts trust Qatol like idiots. We are going with the best answer.
Either case, you seem to be dropping suspicion on Jeejee a bit to much in your defense for him. I can understand defending him, but do you even have a reason to almost ignore the possibly that he even mafia?
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On April 28 2009 10:56 Ace wrote:
I'm not defending JeeJee as much as you think I am. I've said he may be mafia, but Qatol may be also.
I have no reason to trust the PMs and I don't even really care because of the fact that Qatol is trying to push a double lynch on sketchy suspects. That raises a flag far more than some PM from Bockit that really doesn't mean shit at this point. You are trying to find some way of figuring out mafia by reading people's minds and behavior when you've got a big sign in front of you thats easier to deal with.
I've defended people plenty of times hardcore (see the mikeymoo incident with BC). It's not because I always think those people are innocent off the bat, but because I see a far more dangerous play being made ahead of time taking the town in the wrong direction. Me defending JeeJee has 0 bearing on my innocene - I pretty much do as I please without caring what any of you will perceive me as because:
A.) I know I'm innocent
B.) I know nobody can even come close to showing me as mafia
C.) I'm confident that if anyone dared to try I can out debate them and prove them wrong
^_^
See, it's easy to play reckless when you're innocent.
^I appreciate this more then when i read you declaring if we lynch Jeejee you will stop playing.
I can understand what you are saying, but like i said, 2 major flaws I have right now is that I am still kinda new to the game and second I don't really know any of you, so seeing something odd about Qatol is fine.
Either case I might abstain my vote for now but I don't think those pms should be ignored for now just like how you might not ignore the suspicion you have of Qatol for now.
With that being said, what do you think of the probable clue on Versatile? I noticed votes are being changed from JeeJee to versatile who was another suspect.
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Even so you say I have no influence. I don't have the ability to know right now if someone acts a certain way all the time or see if their behavior matches under certain circumstances from what they normally do.
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On April 28 2009 11:21 Vivi57 wrote:
Tricode, what's your plan if we do lynch jeejee and he turns up green
Who's the next person we lynch? Quickstriker? Qatol? Monoxide?
BloodyC0bbler! He is my whole reason to learn mafia and join the game. So that one day I may kill him.
I am not saying to lynch him, what I want is the evidence to not be ignored. It is something to keep an eye on. I never ever mentioned to lynch anyone.
I would like more evidence to be honest. What we have that has been brought out into the open isn't enough.
To me, JeeJee and Versatile maybe the highest suspects as of right now, with a few others not trailing hard behind.
But as i said, for now I abstain from voting. I am hoping maybe we can clear things up and someone might shed more light for us.
Either case if we did lynch Jeejee, i would say w/e happens, we should keep looking the clues and try our best to pick the best solution possible. Even if that solution is to abstain from voting with hopefully having the results of gaining more info later on and really hurting mafia.
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On April 28 2009 11:29 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 11:21 Vivi57 wrote:
Tricode, what's your plan if we do lynch jeejee and he turns up green
Who's the next person we lynch? Quickstriker? Qatol? Monoxide? MALONGOS INSTINCT SAYS TRICODE
Look man, I'm not interested. I know you want to do necrophiliac like things to my dead body but if i die, I'll have myself cremated.
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On April 28 2009 11:38 Vivi57 wrote:
tricode: vote for someone. by abstaining, you're essentially voting for jeejee and saying you want him lynched. If you believe someone else is more likely to be mafia, vote for them.
I'm going to take you abstaining as a weak vote for jeejee if we have to go back and analyze voting patterns
I am only abstaining right now so jeejee doesn't have my vote for now. I want to take careful consideration in who i vote for. If some reason I am to late, the two people i already said are on my top suspicion list were Jeejee and Versatile.
Anyways I am going to analyze the clues a bit more and some of suspects and what people think if i can. I am also hoping during that time, people will speak up and shed more light to some clues or evidence they have found.
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On April 28 2009 11:46 Versatile wrote:
oh god.
the majority of you are fcukin' morons and I hope the mafia wipes out the lot of you.
You guys say, "Oh, Versatile hasn't defended herself". Well, you blind bats, there hasn't been a SINGLE RESPONSE to what I said in defense of myself last night. If no one has any questions for me, why should I jump up and down screaming "I'm innocent!"? Especially if the votes are going the other way? Doesn't make any sense.
A few things before I'm lynched.
1. Qatol was super active and now that he is being accused, he's super quiet. You'd think there'd be a jump in his activity. And even IF he hasn't being accused, what the hell is the point of an inactive Mayor?
2. Ace is mafia. I'd bet my left tittay.
3. If Qatol is indeed mafia, him and Ace are in opposing families.
Kill me now, please and thanks, I'm irritated by the sheer idiocy and buffoonery in this here thread.
Damn, I would take that bet, but I have suspicions for now.
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I think it might be a bit to early to make any calls like these ones. We need to see what happens for a little longer.
Even then, lets keep going to the end.
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Look, right now we still have time to work together and pick the most logical person we can to lynch. We can't just stop discussing until Cob get's on and begins the night!
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Hey does anyone think the brown envelope that Nemy was gazing at, might be a clue?
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Edit: also the fact that one of the killers walked past him, stopped and snickered seems kinda odd as well =\ but i just might be looking into it to much.
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On April 29 2009 11:58 iLoveKTF wrote:
this has been a long day, no?
It's Mafia Daylights savings time.
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Hello is anyone there? Hello is anyone there? Hello!, hello!
BloodyCobbler needs to be hung on a flagpole by his underwear for taking forever ;p
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On April 30 2009 03:47 TruthBringer wrote:
I fixed my vote, so am now voting for Versatile. Qatol seems confident that Versatile is mafia, so I'd like to see if he is trustworthy.
You're bending what was said. He said we possibly can get the most info from Versatile, nothing guaranteeing that Versatile is mafia. Though we have our suspensions.
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On April 30 2009 04:23 Versatile wrote:
oh and, it's a great thing you're around to defend qatol, tricode. great thing indeed.
Hmm? Meh, I don't want words bent. Sorry for my accidental misspelling also.
What i meant by suspicions is, that there are those who are suspicious of Qatol, Ace, and you .Sorry if we are wrong, I promise to help avenge you if you turn green/blue ;p but if you're red, go and die for your sins.
I'll never go as hard as Ace into defending someone, but I find someone is using very bias words that could mislead people to what was actually said. Then I think i should try to correct it before confusion starts and we get lost in crap evidence instead of looking for has more merit in looking into.
And to finish this. I will always bitch at BloodyC0bbler. It is my past time lol j/k
Either case we all had an idea that the game will start off slow do to exam season, and Cob is busy with his Packing so i am just kidding around.
But yeah, guys let's give Cob a little break.
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