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On December 31 2008 05:12 ShadowDrgn wrote:
You're an insane dt.... or mafia.
Or i am a regular DT and i just snagged a mafia in the first go. Everygame pretty well needs something to get the game started, but there is always someone who has to sacrifice themself to do this. I merely stepped up to the plate this game, and went for someone I knew was influential that most people forget about.
Every single game people will check out Ace and Ver, but they always forget about the people behind the scenes who help these games, in this game we have mynock, camlito and mikeymoo. Mynock in posting usually gives away he has a role, Camlito will post accordingly to his role, and mikey can hide decentlyish if he wants to. This makes him extremely dangerous, so i chose to check him.
As such I Rolechecked Mikeymoo He flipped Mafia. Now as i said, i could be the insane dt, or the sane dt. Either way, either another dt could come forward with a roleclaim on mikey(we have 3 uses each) or the jack could as if the game is like last, the jack is always sane. Or we can use our first day lynch to kill mikey, if he flips green im the insane DT, the other dts can then realize they are sane, and we dont bandwagon kill someone based off day 1 analysis, which is not the way to go usually.
So I stress, we can easily determine if I am a sane DT or an insane one, and that would be decided as soon as he is lynched, then that will free things up for the other dt's hopefully and get the ball rolling on the town getting organized.
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Caller, can you link to the voting thread? I've already snagged half a doze mafias. Now I need to get them lynched. Thanks!
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Yeh don't check me... bastard.
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Hell, let's just lynch mike and if he flips blue/green next time lets lynch cobber.
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On December 31 2008 05:49 Latham wrote:
Hell, let's just lynch mike and if he flips blue/green next time lets lynch cobber.
K mafia.
Has someone checked me yet? Sheesh I'm waiting you slowpokes.
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On December 31 2008 05:53 Ver wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 05:49 Latham wrote:
Hell, let's just lynch mike and if he flips blue/green next time lets lynch cobber. K mafia. Has someone checked me yet? Sheesh I'm waiting you slowpokes.
I'm not DT this time  .
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Canada7170 Posts
No need to check if you're insane. I'm blue.
Lynch BC.
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Lynch BloodyCobbler.
Or maybe he's the VI trying to get lynched? Ok I'm up for that too.
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The DTs should definitely be looking into BC, Ver, Ace, mm, and myself first. We need to figure out who the Insane DT is first though.
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Canada7170 Posts
Actually scratch that. Vigi BC because he could be VI. I somehow missed the VI role when scanning this game.
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On December 31 2008 06:04 mikeymoo wrote:
Actually scratch that. Vigi BC because he could be VI. I somehow missed the VI role when scanning this game.
Why would we risk vigi'ing someone who's a potential mafia when the mafia doc is around?
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On December 31 2008 06:05 Ver wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 06:04 mikeymoo wrote:
Actually scratch that. Vigi BC because he could be VI. I somehow missed the VI role when scanning this game. Why would we risk vigi'ing someone who's a potential mafia when the mafia doc is around?
Because BC's move is so retarded if he's mafia. Vigi hit misses, we lynch him the next day. I know from playing with BC that he's smart enough to figure things out. This move just reeks of Village Idiot. Or wait if we lynch him do we continue playing? Or is it Village Idiot wins?
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You keep playing if you lynch the VI. The VI just gets a MS paint in his honor for being lynched.
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On December 31 2008 05:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 05:12 ShadowDrgn wrote:
You're an insane dt.... or mafia. Or i am a regular DT and i just snagged a mafia in the first go. Everygame pretty well needs something to get the game started, but there is always someone who has to sacrifice themself to do this. I merely stepped up to the plate this game, and went for someone I knew was influential that most people forget about. Every single game people will check out Ace and Ver, but they always forget about the people behind the scenes who help these games, in this game we have mynock, camlito and mikeymoo. Mynock in posting usually gives away he has a role, Camlito will post accordingly to his role, and mikey can hide decentlyish if he wants to. This makes him extremely dangerous, so i chose to check him. As such I Rolechecked Mikeymoo He flipped Mafia. Now as i said, i could be the insane dt, or the sane dt. Either way, either another dt could come forward with a roleclaim on mikey(we have 3 uses each) or the jack could as if the game is like last, the jack is always sane. Or we can use our first day lynch to kill mikey, if he flips green im the insane DT, the other dts can then realize they are sane, and we dont bandwagon kill someone based off day 1 analysis, which is not the way to go usually. So I stress, we can easily determine if I am a sane DT or an insane one, and that would be decided as soon as he is lynched, then that will free things up for the other dt's hopefully and get the ball rolling on the town getting organized.
Well, I'd like to believe you because you are essentially sacrificing yourself. But I still can't clear you regardless if he turns red or green. Why? This is because there's isn't a really good way to confirm you without using other DTs/Jack's rolechecks. You can be:
1) DT, which is what you claim.
a) You are insane, other DTs don't know they are sane 100% until you die and your role is revealed.
b) You are sane, other DTs don't know if they are sane or not 100%, until you die and your role is revealed. Another way to get DT alignments... is all check the same person (i suppose in this case mikeymoo). If mikeymoo gets lynched and flips green/red, then you guys (DTs) can figure out who is sane/insane. Might be a waste of checks, but this clears up alignments really fast.
2) Meth Dealer
a) you are trying to draw a mafia hit onto you.
3) Any other town role (which after writing this I think this situation is garbage)
a) speaking on pure chance... which I don't think is the case
b) speaking for another role. But it's very hard to trust that other person at this point in the game.
4) Village Idiot
5) Mafia
a) attempting to gain town support.
Regardless of what color he flips, if mikeymoo goes down, I am still hard pressed to believe you until you die. The main problem is that I don't really find out anything until you (BC) die. Thus, I think the best plan would be 1) lynch mikeymoo. 2) lynch BC. Important information is revealed if you die. Obviously, a double lynch will speed things up, but I'm not sure that is quite necessary.
Worst case scenario is that BC is another random town role and mikeymoo is green >.>
I have no idea BC's behavior is pointing towards good or bad since I haven't played mafia with you guys (TL.net) but yeah, behavioral analysis... if you guys think he's clean based off behavior, I'd like to know via PM. Using BC's strategy, most likely both of them will die/be lynched otherwise.
Hopefully that made sense... God, i post so fucking slow (mikeymoo already has a response)
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On December 31 2008 06:09 mikeymoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 06:05 Ver wrote:On December 31 2008 06:04 mikeymoo wrote:
Actually scratch that. Vigi BC because he could be VI. I somehow missed the VI role when scanning this game. Why would we risk vigi'ing someone who's a potential mafia when the mafia doc is around? Because BC's move is so retarded if he's mafia. Vigi hit misses, we lynch him the next day. I know from playing with BC that he's smart enough to figure things out. This move just reeks of Village Idiot. Or wait if we lynch him do we continue playing? Or is it Village Idiot wins?
The issue comes down to this though. Anyone, including mafia will say they are blue to get the DT killed as well. As from playing previous games with you, you would do your best to keep behind the scenes and undermine the town if mafia or aid it if town. I have checked you and you flipped red, yes I could be insane, but you are deff not blue. Green or red is what you have, and as per how the green townie works, if you die to prove I am sane or not will be instrumental to the towns success
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why are you guys even listening to anything other than cold logic: Lynch BC first.
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On December 31 2008 06:12 JL13 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 05:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On December 31 2008 05:12 ShadowDrgn wrote:
You're an insane dt.... or mafia. Or i am a regular DT and i just snagged a mafia in the first go. Everygame pretty well needs something to get the game started, but there is always someone who has to sacrifice themself to do this. I merely stepped up to the plate this game, and went for someone I knew was influential that most people forget about. Every single game people will check out Ace and Ver, but they always forget about the people behind the scenes who help these games, in this game we have mynock, camlito and mikeymoo. Mynock in posting usually gives away he has a role, Camlito will post accordingly to his role, and mikey can hide decentlyish if he wants to. This makes him extremely dangerous, so i chose to check him. As such I Rolechecked Mikeymoo He flipped Mafia. Now as i said, i could be the insane dt, or the sane dt. Either way, either another dt could come forward with a roleclaim on mikey(we have 3 uses each) or the jack could as if the game is like last, the jack is always sane. Or we can use our first day lynch to kill mikey, if he flips green im the insane DT, the other dts can then realize they are sane, and we dont bandwagon kill someone based off day 1 analysis, which is not the way to go usually. So I stress, we can easily determine if I am a sane DT or an insane one, and that would be decided as soon as he is lynched, then that will free things up for the other dt's hopefully and get the ball rolling on the town getting organized. Well, I'd like to believe you because you are essentially sacrificing yourself. But I still can't clear you regardless if he turns red or green. Why? This is because there's isn't a really good way to confirm you without using other DTs/Jack's rolechecks. You can be: 1) DT, which is what you claim. a) You are insane, other DTs don't know they are sane 100% until you die and your role is revealed. b) You are sane, other DTs don't know if they are sane or not 100%, until you die and your role is revealed. Another way to get DT alignments... is all check the same person (i suppose in this case mikeymoo). If mikeymoo gets lynched and flips green/red, then you guys (DTs) can figure out who is sane/insane. Might be a waste of checks, but this clears up alignments really fast.
Remember that the chances of multiple insane dt's is extremely low, as it would really break the game so by mikey flipping red or green a) I am known to be sane if hes red, or b) insane if hes green.
That clears the other dt's and makes it so they know the role they are. Then one of them, or the jack can then check me and verify my role. Then we have the network of them all knowing if they are sane or not. Note that rolechecks are up to 3 this game, as opposed to having 2 like normal, so the one used check just puts us back to square one.
Also, there are more red roles this game, which means any red we kill could potentially one of the important mafia roles. It sucks that I had to jump out into the open, but with insane and sane dt's the faster we can verifiy ourselves, the better.
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Canada7170 Posts
Well I guess it comes down to who you can trust.
You say I'm green/red.
I say I'm blue.
Why lynch me if I'm green or red? More likely I am green and you are insane, so the lynch is a waste. Why not let mafia kill me and then you can check? This move is pointless for a DT.
If you rolechecked over 2-3 days and then shared your results, maybe the mafia would've hit one of your checks by that point, and you can prove whether you are sane/insane. But checking me now and being like ALARM ALARM mikeymoo is red is ridiculous. It makes no sense.
Thanks for the analysis JL13. Usually in games like this is you type a well thought out post about 6 people will ninja you.
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On December 31 2008 06:18 Ace wrote:
why are you guys even listening to anything other than cold logic: Lynch BC first.
Thats the same logic you used in game 3 to save yourself from being killed from folca's dt check. One that then and even now doesn't make too much sense.
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