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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 20 2008 09:01 GMT
#1161
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#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 20 2008 09:01 GMT
#1162
in any case there is an awful lot of final fantasy/rpg/anime/tv show references here. the top one may be more rpg like?
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TruthBringer
Profile Joined November 2003
United States578 Posts
November 20 2008 09:03 GMT
#1163
I realize that Versatile essentially called me a retard the last time I suggested this but I still think a sacrificial BG should be spokesperson and receive the roles via PM and tell the other BGs the roles before he dies. The spokesperson BG should assign the detectives their tasks, so they don't overscan or all fail to scan Caller.
Carbon FC
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
November 20 2008 09:04 GMT
#1164
Analyzing these clues will confuse me o.o..

gj ace.
sAviOr...
delanZia
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia34 Posts
November 20 2008 09:05 GMT
#1165
wow this clue list will take a while to digest, with its size it could be very easy to grasp at straws and get the wrong person by the neck
if not now then when?
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
November 20 2008 09:08 GMT
#1166
User name Ninja4ever. [ PM | Buddy ]
Photo
[image loading]

Joined TL.net Sunday, 2nd of March 2008
Birthday November 11, 1991
Country France
Quote "Live as if you were to die tomorrow, learn as if you were to live for ever."


Hmmm. It can't be this easy but someone's got to note it.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 20 2008 09:13 GMT
#1167
bluemanrocks has a yugioh reference (im ashamed) and there were some yugioh references in the characters, maybe he's rex?

also double d is edd, which is remarkably similar to ebb ( bit of a stretch but ace wanted to make clues hard?)

lakrismamma could be myr-looks at cars and people driving?

mandalor could be rex-rex is the clone trooper captain, and mandalorians came from clone troopers...?

this is wayyyy to obvious but ninja4ever has a picture of cloud in his profile.

tensai176 has an manga/anime drawer's name

yubee could be ebb too he hit his head he would be like that... lol
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 20 2008 09:14 GMT
#1168
On November 20 2008 18:03 TruthBringer wrote:
I realize that Versatile essentially called me a retard the last time I suggested this but I still think a sacrificial BG should be spokesperson and receive the roles via PM and tell the other BGs the roles before he dies. The spokesperson BG should assign the detectives their tasks, so they don't overscan or all fail to scan Caller.


i am really hesitant to use a bg right now, as we're doing clue analysis tomorrow. i will get back regarding this issue when i wake up tomorrow

but now, sleep!

don't go crazy while i'm gone
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
November 20 2008 09:15 GMT
#1169
also BB is like two Ds on top of two Ds so could be a Double D reference
delanZia
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia34 Posts
November 20 2008 09:28 GMT
#1170

Link: lol! Come on, let me kill them.


User name MyHeroNoob [ PM | Buddy ]
Photo None uploaded.
Joined TL.net Saturday, 24th of February 2007
Birthday October 18, 1991
Country Singapore
Quote Lawl?

hero name and quote both match link
if not now then when?
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
November 20 2008 09:35 GMT
#1171
On November 20 2008 18:28 delanZia wrote:
Show nested quote +

Link: lol! Come on, let me kill them.


User name MyHeroNoob [ PM | Buddy ]
Photo None uploaded.
Joined TL.net Saturday, 24th of February 2007
Birthday October 18, 1991
Country Singapore
Quote Lawl?

hero name and quote both match link

So what would his secret move be?
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
November 20 2008 09:41 GMT
#1172
EBB could be inertinept, he just drools and seems to be retarded in a way

User name inertinept [ PM | Buddy ]
Photo None uploaded.
Joined TL.net Friday, 23rd of May 2008
Birthday
Country Bangladesh
Quote 6dm7h u7d6udu nhdhjjd, dfodofo 45asdow gofgk!

It links to his quote being jibberish
sAviOr...
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
November 20 2008 09:50 GMT
#1173
On November 20 2008 18:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2008 18:28 delanZia wrote:

Link: lol! Come on, let me kill them.


User name MyHeroNoob [ PM | Buddy ]
Photo None uploaded.
Joined TL.net Saturday, 24th of February 2007
Birthday October 18, 1991
Country Singapore
Quote Lawl?

hero name and quote both match link

So what would his secret move be?


He does have a blog about having a deep dark secret
+ Show Spoiler +
It's liking Chinese chick flicks
...not really a move
delanZia
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia34 Posts
November 20 2008 09:56 GMT
#1174
secret movE (see what I did there?)

however I am certainly not going to throw my weight behind this accusation, it is more about putting him on my watch cautiously list
if not now then when?
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
November 20 2008 10:05 GMT
#1175
Weird, MyHeroNoob voted for Plexa but I guess it didn't get counted since he didn't put ##.
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
November 20 2008 10:24 GMT
#1176
We don't need to sacrifice a bodyguard, I put my full trust in Caller. My plan, while very good, is not as applicable to people who ran before roles were sent. Furthermore, behavior wise, Caller would be a really really awful mafia and that is just not conceivable for someone who thinks very logically and has helped me out a ton with my previous plans and outlines for the future.

Frankly I don't even think the DTs need to investigate him, but people probably won't feel safe pming him their roles until that happens so just follow what Caller said:

On November 20 2008 17:53 Caller wrote:
BY THE WAY DTS

SCAN ME FIRST PLEASE

IF NOBODY SAYS ANYTHING BY... 11AM EST, THEN PM ROLES TO ME


The most important thing is that we don't waste DT's today. DTs should ONLY be rolechecking Caller (even past the 11 am deadline if you feel insecure then do it anyway). And by only I mean don't rolecheck anyone else besides Caller, this is very important. We have to conserve DT power to get things going smoothly asap, as with only 1 votecheck, by far the best ability in the game, alive DTs cannot make up for dead DTs who couldn't use their votecheck (since some will likely die very early from 20 kill power, etc). If you feel safe with him without rolechecking and giving enough time for other DTs to work, then just pm him the role. If not, then go ahead and rolecheck then pm him. If you trusted him/waited, and didn't use your role, we have some things to look at that should get the town started off significantly well if DTs can conserve their powers.

In regards to clues:

We should be gathering profiles of the mafia, not trying to link them to people already. Ace, being part of the mafia last game that got screwed over by super easy clues that weren't even intended for the people who ended up dying, is not going to just hand us people for free. Furthermore, even on seemingly unsurmountable clue evidence, killing on early day clues alone while ignoring behavior has only lead to innocent deaths in mafia 1 and 2. Lastly, killing on first or second day clues is stupid, when several people have already outted themselves on behavior.

Instead, we want to accumulate the profiles over time, to be able to have an understanding of the patterns of each of the targets. Then we can combine this with vote lists, behavior analysis, and general suspects to narrow down mafia.

Clues are a tool to be used in conjunction with all the other means, which are more reliable too, not the only way to go.
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
November 20 2008 10:42 GMT
#1177
Yeah, if clues are worse than behavior and I've already been convinced that a medic was mafia... take everything I say with a grain of salt. I think I'm gonna step back and let the super sleuths find all I was capable of finding and more instead of wasting time I could be using to write the 4 essays and 4 tests I have over the next ten days.
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
November 20 2008 10:58 GMT
#1178
Well, this is certainly an entertaining posting style.

Keep in mind that, while I said this as mafia last game I played in, I mean it truly in a logical sense: we aren't going to find anything concrete against anybody off of the first days clues. I agree with Ver in that we should first build up profiles (much easier since every mafia has a name this game; thank you, Ace) and analyze the behaviors of people alongside them.

Also, maybe I'm mentioning this a little in advance, but as mafia start dying off we should be going back to the mayoral and lynching votes to see what they voted. Mafia will probably avoid bandwagoning together for the most part, but it's always possible they jumped into specific places for various reasons. Particularly true for the mayoral elections, as evident by TL Mafia 2 and the "Randombum train". :p

I'll make a post shortly that summarizes my initial thoughts on the mafia thus far.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
November 20 2008 11:41 GMT
#1179
The Yamaguchi-gumi Family:


Sephiroth
+ Show Spoiler +

- Calm and collected.
- Obviously the leader through his interactions with Cloud, Squall and Anti.


Cloud
+ Show Spoiler +

- Observant, curious, or simply confused. Note how he scans every face as he comes in and that every line of dialogue he's involved in but the first is a question.


Zach
+ Show Spoiler +

- Nothing subtle I can discern. Should look for future references clarifying his expertise in killing, as well as a pattern of food consuming and/or further relations with Serge.


Rourk
+ Show Spoiler +

- Intelligent person, unless the "sharp person" was a more subtle (or more obvious, depending on how you look at it) reference to something else.
- Young and/or possibly irresponsible/immature.


Zidane
+ Show Spoiler +

- "Even after all these years none of them are sure what he isn't capable of." The wording seems to suggest that, rather than be mysterious or ambigious, Zidane may have a rather eclectic personality/range of talents.
- Perhaps a former mafia player on the site, though I feel this would be too obvious. Should also keep in mind a distinct lineage or someone who fits a specifically strong family tie.


Anti
+ Show Spoiler +

- Possibly something hard to physically make out, as Cloud doesn't know what to think of Anti when he first sees him.
- Seems to be trusted or possibly a protector of Sephiroth, as seem by Anti sitting directly across from him/Sephiroth having Anti open the letter.


Roll
+ Show Spoiler +

- The only mention of Roll at all is that he is parking something. Perhaps this is too strong of a reference for Ace to fully flesh out any more at the moment.
- Should keep an eye out for a possible pattern of Roll not showing up directly in the coming Day posts.


Squall
+ Show Spoiler +

- I don't really see anything of note here. Perhaps his explosive entrance/informative approach.


Santa
+ Show Spoiler +

- His urgency about getting out of the area can signify many things. Too broad to interpret.
- May be insensitive to others, though I have a feeling his comment to Serge was more of a clue to Serge than Santa.


Serge
+ Show Spoiler +

- Possibly indecisive, weak-willed, or unfalteringly loyal. This is indicated by his wish to remain in position and wait for the coming back-up.
- His uncertain urination may possibly be further reference to the first two traits listed above or may be a set-up for Santa's comment.
- He may be a she or, more likely, an it. If Santa's comment was a clue to Serge, it may be a reference to Serge being some sort of object without gender.






The Lucchese Family:


Reign
+ Show Spoiler +

- Possibly confrontational and/or commanding.
- The device on his head should be noted, though it doesn't immediately signify anything to me.


Ryu
+ Show Spoiler +

- Doesn't speak. Not indicative of an inability to, but should be noted in case a pattern emerges.
- "As Ryu opens his mouth to start an explosion shakes the room!" I am confused about what Ryu is about to start, here. If this sort of description becomes a pattern, it'd be worth it to try to decipher it's meaning.


Link
+ Show Spoiler +

- Confident/cocky.
- Probably a subset of the above, but he seems a bit reckless, as seen by his interruption of his fellows actions. Perhaps he has a need to prove himself.


Smith
+ Show Spoiler +

- Succinct.


Rex
+ Show Spoiler +

- Seems to be the Lucchese leader.
- He's commanding remotely thus far.


Nelson
+ Show Spoiler +

- I don't notice anything other than that, in every line but his last, he curses at least once.
- Applesauce?


Ebb
+ Show Spoiler +

- Notice how Nelson says Ebb "acts immature". I think this may mean that Ebb isn't actually as stupid as he seems, just simply inane/childish in his nature.
- Also notice how Nelson and Ebb look at eachother after BB takes the laptop away and "decide it's time to get serious."


BB
+ Show Spoiler +

- Impatient around silly or generally abrasive behavior. Short fuse.
- Potentially somebody to be feared, as Nelson and Ebb change their attitudes when threatened by BB.


Myr
+ Show Spoiler +

- Seems to be a planning/organizing force. Suggested by the checking on the other members as they get into the van, Nelson's plea against watching Ebb, and the assertive nature about meeting up with/for Rex.


Cookie
+ Show Spoiler +

- Only mentioned by Myr looking at him, then responding to nothing spoken aloud. Perhaps Cookie communicates through a different means than by normal sound.
Think. :)
delanZia
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia34 Posts
November 20 2008 11:48 GMT
#1180
Hmm ill just gather up what appear to be the most obvious clues and briefly muse on them before I go to sleep

Serge

Zach. An expert killer. Eating some yellowish looking stuff that only Serge would cook.

seems to indicate that serge might be one of those people who does cooking blogs or something similar

Rourk

Next to him is Rourk, a sharp person but always drunk even though he's not 21 yet.

TO THE DRUNK THREAD! although seriously a lot of people on TL (myself included but not quite as publicly) get drunk, like the above clue is obvious in intent but doesnt narrow the scope down much

Zidane

Zidane. Even after all these years none of them are sure what he isn't capable of. The last remaining member of an old mafia family from his country.

Did the mafia end up winning any of the past mafia games? if so who was alive at the end
alternatively this could be a semi-pro startcraft player... which doesnt do much for the whole narrowing it down thing on TL

Anti/Cloud

Lastly, Anti is sitting directly across from Sephiroth's chair. Cloud doesn't know what to make of Anti, but just as he opens his mouth...

dont have a clue what this means but it feels out of place


anti/rourk

He throws it across the table to Anti who opens it cautiously.

Anti: It's not a bomb. It's an invitation...to the OSL finals.

Rourk: *burp*. Gotta admit, that's pretty good, least they didn't give you MSL tickets.

if there were bombers in this game for the mafia then I would swear that this would have placed anti as the groups bomb expect, as it is the only thing it points to is AoC.... a redundant role
Rourk prefers OSL over MSL, not useful in the slightest

Reign

Just then a guy with a weird device on his head comes up the stairs.

could be anything, could point towards bone breaker or it could be a standard clue

Link

As Ryu opens his mouth to start an explosion shakes the room! Link
Link: tada! I have arrived!
Link: lol! Come on, let me kill them.
Link: Oh man, you guys are so lucky. I was about to unleash my secret move.

see my other posts for my gut feelings on this, a secret move could be anything, the word choice used points to someone young and such but that could be part of the being link

Serge

Santa: Since when did you have a dick? Must be small...

could be plotfluff, could refer to.... I hope its plot fluff


Ebb

stop drooling on my fucking chairs!
Ebb: blaaaaaa
Ebb: grawwwwww
Nelson: sigh...and what the hell are you doing on facebook?
Ebb continues drooling on the monitor.

Ebb's a plexia zombie? facebook could be a reference to the facebook thread or plotfluff

BB

BB: Enough playing around, let's go. You guys are making me angry. And you won't like me when I'm angry.

hulk references aside nothing springs from this line apart from suspicious

Nelson

Nelson: Fine, but I got dibbs on the applesauce.

stands out, someone who likes food/occasions that call for applesauce (i haven't had the stuff since i was six)


Certainly i wouldnt vote for anyone to be killed without some more convincing (even my pet hunch escapes a vote from me this week).

I noticed MTF has done a better version of this just as I am about to post but i'll post this anyway as we have taken different styles (he is more feel orientated whereas i am more quote and keyword orientated
if not now then when?
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