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On October 26 2008 01:32 fusionsdf wrote: while the first ten names on the list are solid players, there are a lot of new players likely to go inactive and be replaced so you still have some hope if chuiu is subbing out inactives alot of us are players from the last round as well though | ||
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On October 26 2008 14:21 fusionsdf wrote: I'd feel bad if so many people didnt go afk the last two games at least with this 40 you know the majority will follow it daily or near daily, and keep up with votes etc. I guarantee a lot of the people who signed up would be inactive pretty much right away So true, and since theres no mayor this game, chances of people participating more outside of voting is higher as it isnt just the mayor and his few elite guard per se running the show. Should be a fun game | ||
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On October 26 2008 14:36 Plexa wrote: hey, i wasn't "elite guard" of the mayor  i was an independent townie out to expose the mafia. Towards the middle of the game me and ace finally joined forces. There was room for independents to do their own thing, just had to be willing to put in the hours. Don't get me wrong i do know there were independents, but at the same time, there were aloot of people who's only job was to vote, or await orders. It set the game up to be easier to win, but took out some of the fun as everyone was just going with the mayors decision. That being said, this game should be very interesting without someone who has auto immunity for a bit to lead the charge | ||
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As for me, when i get off work this afternoon i will start my analysis to help the town | ||
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Issue being, how do you prove who's legit. I have an idea which would kinda work possibly. First day of voting, rather than abstain, we pick two inactives and vote. numbers 1-26 vote for suspect 1 numbers 27-50 vote for suspect 2 now we take the numbers on our main list and number our detectives 1-3 based on who appears first on the list (ie they would know their number, no one else would) D1 and D2 checks how many mafia voted on list one, and D3 and possibly a jack checks the role of someone the town nominates to be safe. If that person is a blue or green, D3 says nothing, then D1 and D2 PM their lists to the safe person. This would give the townie or blue a two identical lists, which would show their innocence as detectives, which gives one person with the knowledge of two roles, and a third person who can then later admit his role as well, giving one person control of three detectives. Note: issue relies on person living through first night, and b) if people speak out against you to prevent this from happening, in the case someone speaks out against you saying your a mafia, we lynch the accuser, and if he turns up green or blue we lynch the person he accused. With all this said and done, it means we as a town, have a support per se, medics know one person they can protect, and then they need just prove they are who they are, same with vig's and jacks. Just means we have to keep that one person alive briefly, as the idea is once you have that one support structure, that group gets pulled together, not needing the one dummy head any longer, and you then change leadership to a veteran. I hope it makes sense, and yes i know there are some sketchy bits in there, but just throwing the idea out | ||
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On November 03 2008 11:27 Ace wrote: Bloody I understand EXACTLY what you are saying but the reason I didn't go with any idea like that: suicide bomber. If he dies, I say we go with that plan. My current plan is one in which the Mafia can't safely use their suicide bomber. Really, that role is the only reason we can't take leaps of trust and the fact that fake DTs will check stuff anyway). Fair enough, i see how that does destroy things, I am glad i didn't think of something overall retarded though. Guess we now have to find a way to lure the suicide bomber out then. | ||
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On November 03 2008 11:37 Ace wrote: I've been thinking about it, but can't find anything else. That's actually how I came about with my plan to give mafia a dilemma while still giving our lynchpin a chance to lure out the suicide bomber. Once he is gone, DTs and Jacks have a lot more freedom to act. Yeah, i do see what your saying, I'm currently trying to draw up some ideas to draw out the bomber, and potentially might have something, just have to flush it out a little bit provided i dont hit my own dead end. | ||
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On November 03 2008 12:28 Folca wrote: Ok, just asked Chuiu if this was possible, and its not against the rules, so here it fucking goes Im a detective, now dont stop reading this shit I just pmed chuiu my ability to see of Ace is the mafia Answer : Yes Now, Im not ganna keep this hiding, because Ace is a huge influence in this game, and im not ganna risk getting lynched by next morning to spit out the information Yes Ace could actually help the townies by targetting mafias, but im not ganna risk my death by next morning, so here it goes Now just like Ace said, I'll prove myself by sacraficing myself to see that im the detective If I am detective like I said, Take out Ace Townies, Special Roles, good luck killing the rest of the mafia Can chuiu verify that a detective can use their ability this quickly for the rest of the town, rather than taking your word on it. If he comes back saying its a legit rule, we can do the following. Another rolecheck Folca, then have one jack, and the last detective check the votes of day one on our two seperate votes to find out how many mafia voted for who. Next, last jack, Your job is to rolecheck someone we nominate. This gives two detectives with a day one lynch report, and a rolecheck on someone we vote for as a nomination. He turns green or blue you tell him who you are, and as before no one complains other detectives follow suit. I say only detectives, gives at least one night of planning and 3 people knowing who they are, and can then as a team work together and expand their group from there if possible. Now, to help with this, i propose this We vote to lynch ace as one of our targets, and an inactive as the other one or at this point, Folca depends on what people want. Also, if Folca dies tonight, ace dies tommorrow, if he lives, we lynch folca, if folca is blue we kill ace for via a vig that night. we may lose a detective, but we may also may get a mafia, and regardless we have an idea of how the mafia vote via the list, I'm kinda ranting, so ill try to flush this out a bit better, gimme a few | ||
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If Folca is a detective, we give another target or two to be the "heads" of the townie movement, the medics protect who them deem appropriate, and to get us all, would most likely require a lucky bomber placement, and wouldnt get all the medics | ||
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On November 03 2008 12:48 Ace wrote: That makes no sense. If you have a DT, and 2 "heads" of the town who do you honestly think is going to be killed? The DT. The "heads" can talk all day, but since they are not DTs they don't have 100% credibility on facts even if they are proven innocent. Their job is a head is only to get a large group of blues in contact with eachother, the head should only live 1-2 nights, at most to get people together, preferably a green gets the role as their death is meaningless. Their proved innocence gives them that, Innocence, and someone for people to rally behind. Gives a slight leadership advantage and starts to get a organized movement to fight the mob, Yes, a detective might die for that cause, but it gives a huge advantage still to town if we can get even 2-3 blues in contact with eachother and go from there with the prospect of more | ||
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On November 03 2008 13:24 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: listen to bloodyclover, i have a proposition to split the lists: splitting the lists is the smartest thing to do to help DT's. + Show Spoiler [people who should vote for folca] + 1. imDerek 2. fusionsdf 3. Jimtudor 4. decafchicken 5. Camlito 6. XCetron 7. BloodyC0bbler 8. mikeymoo 9. MTF 10. clazziquai 11. wurm 12. Caller 13. Chezinu 14. nemY 15. xDark.Carnivalx 16. Empyrean 17. fanatacist 18. RtS)Night[Mare 19. araav 20. JeeJee 21. SoleSteeler 22. aZnvaLiaNce 23. ~OpZ~ 24. bumatlarge 25. Mynock 26. iNfuNdiBuLuM + Show Spoiler [people who should vote for ace] + 27. Ace 28. MidnightGladius 29. Bockit 30. Folca 31. Alventenie 32. goldenkrnboi 33. Yogurt 34. Scorch 35. ShadowDrgn 36. ulszz 37. KH1031 38. Amber[LighT] 39. Fishball 40. Falcynn 41. Artanis[Xp] 42. ZBiR 43. Plexa 44. KF91 45. FakeSteve[TPR] 46. Lenwe 47. HeRoS)Pink 48. Mandalor 49. [GiTM]-Ace 50. G.s)NarutO As in terms of this i will vote for folca Everyone please follow this | ||
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On November 03 2008 13:57 Empyrean wrote: If we don't lynch Folca, will he have a chance to use his powers again and report them before he dies? If so, then I wouldn't advise lynching Folca. He'll die anyway, so in death he'll be vindicated. If no mafia target him to make him look suspicious, we'll all lynch him anyway. That's why I don't want to vote Folca. As for who to lynch, I still don't know if we can yet trust Folca (or he could be a mafia roleclaiming DT but Ace is also mafia...this way, Folca gains our trust while the mafia don't lose any killing power, and Folca can direct us to kill someone important later) since he's not dead, so because of this, I wouldn't vote for Ace either. I'll still stay with what few clues we have and vote to lynch decafchicken. I vote to lynch decafchicken. Also, has the town abandoned the Mandalor style plan I suggested earlier? If not, then we should probably coordinate first and second suspects. Also, when will Chuiu compile the vote list? We are all in agreement im pretty sure about having two lists to votecheck on, its more, who should be on those lists, and Ace and Folca seem to be those targets at the moment. if someone comes up with better targets im pretty sure the town is all ears for it. As a note, Folca was right, detectives can use their abilities anytime they want, just once a day. | ||
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In a traditional meal setting, as in a banquet or the like, you would have coffee after finishing the entire meal, as a finisher. Rather than just pin decaf as he fits the chicken = meal, and decaf = coffee Yogurt fits the mold by also being a food item, with a picture of it in his profile Falcynn has applesauce repeated as part of his profile Hero's pink has two people sharing a milkshake More than just one food connection, and as a final meal coffee makes sense, so not really a good lynch guys, lets think on it more You can thank me later decaf :p | ||
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On November 03 2008 15:03 Alventenie wrote: Incorrect, Folca will be lynched tomorrow if he is alive. We won't deviate from our path of killing accusers who role call detective. The fact that we are keeping him alive 1 extra day is to get more info before he dies, but die he will. Its the only way to 100% know if ace is mafia or not. Unless clues start to point towards ace after tonight, but that isnt likely to be easy to spot | ||
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On November 03 2008 15:07 goldenkrnboi wrote: ## I vote for decafchicken based on the clues and the arguments that several people have mentioned. Based on the clues? I destroyed them with facts that relate directly to FOOD INDUSTRY, coffee is a normal thing at the end of a meal, i also listed other names that are linked to a "meal" setting to begin with, ffs, they have been defeated, now new evidence is needed to continue the bandwagon | ||
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On November 03 2008 15:46 goldenkrnboi wrote: well i'm sorry if my internet sucks, i have homework left to do, and you guys are posting as if chuiu was going to move into night in 30 seconds. Sorry I just felt ignored. | ||
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On November 04 2008 10:07 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: I explained in an earlier post i thought. voting decaf= stupid might as well pick a number on the list and vote them if your gonna vote decaf. So that leaves ace of folca and well I believe ace more so im voting folca. If folca is DT we kill ace no biggie. If folca is mafia we get rid of 1 plus keep a strong player. If we do ace and ace is mafia folca is dead anyway. So either way folca is gonna die right. But there is still a chance at an innocent making it out of this without dying. people have ignored information that pretty well saves decaf, and have voted anyway, but the majority has been smart and kept to voting for folca and ace which are the two predominant suspects for day 1. The people who have voted for decaf will most likely keep the vote that way as they don't read clue analysis by the looks of it. | ||
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On November 04 2008 10:48 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: what if we lynch folca and hes regular towny? Then what will happen? we will be slightly annoyed and laugh it off, or think that a DT was speaking through him | ||
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On November 04 2008 11:50 decafchicken wrote: or the other DTs already used their ability, don't want to die, etc. or are saving their ability to vote check | ||
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On November 04 2008 14:37 Caller wrote: jawohl im way too overenthusiastic i'm definitely going to get owned tonight lawl Yay for death? | ||
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On November 04 2008 14:40 Caller wrote: I know there is absolutely no way of proving my innocence, and that this indeed could be seen as evidence. But if you have information you'd like to share, special roles and mafia, please send it to me, even if its by a proxy or something. I have nothing else to do and I have a long time. Also my brain is on hyperdrive right now. Share the wealth, I have all day tommorrow to come up with strategies as its my day off, and any decent information would help with that | ||
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On November 04 2008 14:49 clazziquai wrote: Ace prove me that you are innocent. Folca has done enough and he IS a detective. Was a detective, and pretty well no way he can prove he's innocent, so up to the gallows he goes. As a general note to the other two detectives, and for the jacks, please list check the ace and folca lists I believe there are two of each role atm, so i would ask D1 and D2(detective numbers as where they appear in the list first one being D1 and the other D2) check the folca list and the jacks J1 and J2 check out the ace list. With that information, gathered, either choose myself or caller if you trust either of us and give us that info, preferably both Jacks and both detectives to the same person, it helps prove who you are as you would have a list identical to eachother to prove your validiaty. | ||
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On November 04 2008 14:58 Ace wrote: <--volunteers to be a potential Sadly your on death row | ||
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On November 04 2008 15:00 Ace wrote: why? I didn't do anything except defend myself :/ The dead detective was honest about his role, and said he checked you and you came back mafia, which means well, a noose is being tied and waiting for tommorrow. Besides even you said earlier "one of us is guarenteed mob, and if he turns up blue, your mafia" No back tracking now, your turn is coming. | ||
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On November 04 2008 15:04 mikeymoo wrote: And if either of you are mafia? We don't want any info getting to the mafia, especially about who is a detective. All comes down to trust, i am far to well aware, It is basically up to people to decide if they want to do such a thing. I am saying im trustworthy and not a mafia, and volunteering for a position that will most likely get me killed tonight to prevent it from happening. Folca died to pin ace, and now we need a way to use our remaining DT's well, or if nothing else, in contact with one another. | ||
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On November 04 2008 15:08 Empyrean wrote: Don't try and draw the detectives into the open. If you're mafia, at least try to hide it somewhat. Honestly, to best utilize them, we should just suggest things for them to do, hope they read the thread and follow suggestions, then if anything major comes up, have them sacrifice themselves and use paramedics on them later if necessary (paramedic problem again...read my previous post). Vote checking the folca and ace lists are what they need to do, and if they stay quiet, they need to continue doing this constantly, building up a list and narrowing it down. Same with the jacks to an extent. Once theyr eally narrow it down they can rolecheck a player and see if its mafia or not, then link that person to who they were bandwagoning with the most, or who "swayed their vote" or who they defend and so on. They can do alot yes in secret, but if they can get together, they dont waste say a rolecheck on the same person, and are able to work more effectively. Honestly i would prefer only the DT's and Jacks knowing who each other are, and have the 4 of them work as an investigation unit, but it is wishful thinking. The issue comes into play, How do they present their findings later on without getting killed, as if we dont lynch the suicide bomber quickly, the DT's will die at night if they release their findings, and any medics who protect them will die to the bomber as well. | ||
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Only issue is proving validity of the lists, hense why id want both dts sending it to one central person, but i do see the issue with it a) that person dies right off and nothing is gained or b)is a mafia and has them killed. I am aware of the risks, at the same time, I don't want wasted role checks on one person and say they turn up blue or green, they get killed at night. I will try to flesh out a much more concrete way if i can of how to get people together at a low risk situation, if possible, I might not be able to do so, but i shall deff try. | ||
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a) Last Meal theme b)Pleading for life theme c)"Embrace the release that death brings you" d)Vengence theme e)“We can trust no mayor, no governor, no authority this day or the next. We must unite to take care of the problem ourselves. Mafia if you hear me then tremble because we are united in our cause and will strike with cruel precision to drive you from our town." Suspects for a) Decafchicken fits it by mentioning subway in his profile, as well as his obvious name attachment Yogurt fits the mold by also being a food item, with a picture of it in his profile Falcynn has applesauce repeated as part of his profile Hero's pink has two people sharing a milkshake Bockit mentions the word vegetable in his profile KH1031 – thanksgiving mentioned in profile which is a complete meal Fantacist dog eating quote in his profile suspects for b) Lenwe – really really fucking stretched here, but his comic in his profile, is like a plead for his gf or other half in life to not leave, hence in a way pleading for his life to stay the same. Suspects for c) Plexa – quote says ones spirit will set you free, ie embrace your death Aznvaliance for his quote in profile saying the loser or dead man is set free Suspects for d) Bockit – multiplish war quotes, one directly related to ww2’s nuke attack on japan, which was done as a retaliation for pearl harbor or otherwards done for revenge Suspects for e) Fakesteve – mod/list of mods loving his fanclub, quote advocates we don’t trust people of power Midnight Gladius – quote lists a general in his profile, generals are usually well trusted. This general is also advocating change which would relate to not wanting a mayor Ace – Ace was trusted as a leader last game as he was the mayor, slim link but still there Also as a seperate clue for ace, he was fingered by our now dead detective, who said he rolechecked him. Also feel free to agree/destroy my quickly done up compilation above, i will be working on it more, but that is my initial list of people connected via day ones shady clues | ||
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On November 04 2008 16:21 ShadowDrgn wrote: You guys that voted for Folca suck. It was something thought of earlier before Folca stood up, and he planned to die to the town to prove his innocense to take out ace. In a case of DT for a mafia is normally a bad trade but ace holds allllot of credibility normally, and well this is getting rid of a voice that could sway the town easily. The plan was as soon as this happened to purely vote for folca and ace, and have the remaining dt's votecheck the lists. | ||
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On November 05 2008 00:43 Empyrean wrote: After the Folca deal, We can all agree that Ace is mafia. 1. MidnightGladius keeps on saying he might hvae some clue interpretation coming up later. He never does it. He starts saying this as early as page 22ish I believe. 2. Ace is the first to vote to lynch Folca. Folca himself is the second. 3. MidnightGladius is the third. His reason: 4. RTS)Nightmare is the fourth to vote Folca. 5. Folca accuses MidnightGladius of being mafia based on his signature (clue) and behavior. 6. SoleSteeler abstains. 7. Heros)Pink is the first to vote to lynch Ace on Folca's word alone. 8. Jimtudor thinks Folca looks legit. 9. Alventenie: 10. Empyrean: 11. Alventenie tries to explain to MidnightGladius. Ace repeats MidnightGladius' argument, and a few posts later, Alventenie explains the same thing to Ace.: 12. Ace defends decafchicken like there's no tomorrow. He also says: 13. BloodyCobbler defends decafchicken. 14. decafchicken, in the middle of a "lynch Folca today or tomorrow" discussion, once again says that some people are going off a clue that is way too easy to be true. He does this so much it's almost annoying. 15. Ace points out the following: No one can prove that Folca is a legit DT and no one can get anything except coffee = decafchicken as their best clue. He points out BloodyCobbler's defense of decaf. 16. Caller: 17. Amber[light] suggests (laughably...what a horrible suggestion) that another DT step up and ask about Folca's role, thus leading to another DT revealing himself. 18. Alventenie repeats that lynching either Ace or Folca tonight is just a bad idea. 19. MTF (long post): + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2008 09:42 MTF wrote: Ok, since it seems theres a movement to lynch Ace tonight, which I think is faulty, I'll try to exemplify this for everyone: Reasons to Lynch Ace: Clues: + Show Spoiler + ""We can trust no mayor, no governor, no authority this day or the next." May relate to his role in the last game as an authority figure. Other: + Show Spoiler + He has been accused of a rolecheck by Folca, who has made several posts trying to provide information. Reasons to Lynch Folca: Clues: + Show Spoiler + "Many in the crowd were excessively enthusiastic about the lynching and many were grave and quiet." May be a reference to his profile picture. Other: + Show Spoiler + He has accused Ace of being rolechecked as mafia and implicated several other prominent players, myself included, with faulty and rushed reasoning. Overall View: Lynching Ace or Folca is a fifty/fifty gamble, which is better than can be said of lynching any other person in the game right now. That being said, Ace has been setting plans into motion from the beginning and engaging in active discussion with the people trying to organize town. This is a good thing, and Ace's plans have not been openly malicious and have helped move town along in discussion and avoid the mistake (ironically) of revealing DT's for the towns gain due to the suicide bomber. Now, this is not to say I believe Ace is town for sure, as what he has done is the only smart thing he could do given the previous game. Ace is not proven innocent by any means. Neither, however, is Folca. And Folca came out of nowhere with his accusation and proceeded to call out several people with absolutely no basis for most of it. Now, mafia or true detective, this was not a smart thing to do. Considering this, one must ask the origin of the actions' desperation: the only thing other than simple foolishness I can think of is that everything is less organized this early in the game. That can only benefit mafia, as they start off from the very beginning in a structured manner. Accusing key members early on would only benefit them. Now, assuming Ace's innocence, implicating and taking him out this early on would eliminate one of the strongest structures that town could organize itself around. This alone may be worth the attempt by mafia, especially if they're banking on him having an additional role, as nearly half of all of the town does. I can see it argued the other way around easily enough, though, and it is a fair view to have that doing this as a mafia member or a true detective doesn't make much sense this early on. But Folca has done it, and we can only prove the why by lynching one tonight. The evidence that either is telling the truth is about even. The matter of choosing is simply in the behavior, and the hoped-for outcome, as either way we risk losing someone of value. Personally, I think Folca is lying, and even if he weren't, town wouldn't get a proven DT the following day, because mafia would be insane to keep a revealed DT alive. So, there is only one argument for voting Ace over Folca: You believe Folca for whatever reason and want to make mafia waste a hit tonight. However, the same exact thing can be said of Ace, as if Folca is indeed red, then they wanted Ace dead early on, and will undoubtably use at least one hit on him tonight. I guess that about sums up my feelings on the matter. Ace is inherently more valuable as a structure than an unproven detective that has been revealed if he is indeed innocent. Edit: As I wrote this, Bockit essentially put it in a much more succient manner. :p 20. fusionsdf loves MTF's clue analysis <3. 21. Caller's general suspects: Ace, Decafchicken, MidnightGladius, ulszz, SoleSteeler. Also points out that GiTM-Ace, Aznvaliance and Mandalor bandwagoned on Folca in a row without any reasons why. 22. BloodyCobbler insinuates that people who voted for decafchicken aren't smart players and that they don't read clue analysis. Page 36, bottom 3/4 of the page. 23. Ace once again reiterates decafchicken's defense of himself. A page later, he bandwagons on one of BloodyCobbler's arguments against Empyrean. 24. Empyrean thinks that Ace has strong arguments and even if he -is- mafia, he'd still be an asset to the town for a few days because he'd have to act the townie part. My only defense of myself Emp is basically this: The clues linking to decaf were thin at best, I told people that they were bandwagoning on the wrong idea of "its unusual to have coffee" after a meal when its not, while also bringing up other possible suspects. I was ignored and people continued to bandwagon without real cause. Had anyone refuted any of my points i would have been completely alright for it, but bandwagoners who dont consider what all is said are just going to hinder the game. As for the rest of your analysis, good job on the compilation. | ||
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On November 05 2008 04:47 ulszz wrote: well, i mean there was more chance of ace being mafia than folca was. As said before, on day one with no definite clues pointing to people, we then got turfed into a person claiming DT and pointing a finger at someone who was insanely well respected and who if wasnt a mafia would be a huge benefit for the town. As such, lynching the accuser would prove if he was lying or not, which is what was done, now we have the next days lynch target. It sucks that we lost a DT for this, but it wasnt for nothing, we catch a mafia, as well as someone who could have seriously destroyed the town if he had been let to. Perhaps if we get really really really lucky is is also the suicide bomber | ||
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On November 06 2008 14:38 nemY wrote: I already used them fighting the zombies!!! I'm a d2 noob ok? (or I had just helped fcuk uber run; hopefully that's a good enough of an excuse) Its not | ||
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Anonymous Man Individual (nefarious) Neighbour Guess, we are trying to tie people to these names correct? My impression is Anonomyous is not ace as well, he is anything but that As for Neighbour, his bit ends with the words Nevermore This reminds me of two things, Dota which i doubt would be that obvious and Edgar allen poe's The Raven Who likes poe or is linked to a bird | ||
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On November 06 2008 16:25 Ace wrote: I can help BC ^_^ I'm sure you could, but you'd be throwing me offf hahaha I just hope that Chuiu is being as sly as ever with his clues, ie not glaringingly obvious Letter references to names | ||
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On November 06 2008 16:28 Ace wrote: I haven't lied yet, why would I start now  To save your friends from possible death? | ||
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On November 06 2008 16:31 fanatacist wrote: I've been looking at possible references for navigator (it seemed to stand out a lot), and I noticed that clazziquai has "sea.really" in his sig... Navigator + sea? It's a bit of a stretch, but that's all I have on that topic out of all the living users. Neighbour seems to me to have a reference (atm) to Poe's the raven also could be related to someone of power due to references of nukes and newbied Also read the other clues, They look poem formatish to me in a way also to make things as i see them Anonymous's clues stress towards movement in general, going from slow to fast to stop Man's clues reference alot of things towards stealth and violence individual clues stress towards intelligence and possibly arrogance or short tempered? | ||
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This method is one of many used highly in poetry | ||
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On November 06 2008 22:06 Amber[LighT] wrote: We all must be 13 and never used writing styles before... we're aware of this, but it wasn't the direct motive. Check Chezinu's post. I will analyze when I get to work. Man, not everyone has english as a first language here so this may not be something they know off hand? Untop of that, I can honestly say i haven't had to write in Alliteration in years, so its not exactly the first thing necessarily that would come to ones mind. | ||
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On November 07 2008 02:18 XCetron wrote: I think the clue in "Man" can be a possible connection to BloodyC0bbler, here are my reasonings: His user name is BloodyC0bbler, perhaps "man murderously mutilated Alventenie monstrously" is a reference to that. Also another phrase in the "Man" description: "as man made most merrily memories the milestone materializing". CB's quote says "Quote Sweet Water and Light Laughter" , maybe its connected, the merrily and laughter, as those two usually accompany each other. Also "Alventenie mindlessly massaged" perhaps he was in the bathtub, so "Sweet water" is linked to that. As fun as it would be to be mafia this game, sadly I didnt get the card. To help you understand my name Bloodyc0bbler is a sn ive used for ages which is a reference to a character from DnD's Ravenloft universe, named bloody cobbler. He is a character who's purpose is to find people who have strayed from their path in life, and help set them back on it in exchange for the soles on their feet. Sweet water and light laughter is also from DnD, it's way of saying "till we meet again" basically, as in have good times till we meet again. | ||
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On November 07 2008 02:29 XCetron wrote: You can still be mafia. as could you, or every other player here, I merely observed that due to the nature of my name, for your reasons the connection is slim. | ||
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On November 07 2008 02:35 Mynock wrote: Mandalor, your plan has a flaw in that if the random green townie dies before the DT, then the whole work is down the drain. There also other minor flaws in it that would make it difficult (like DTs using up checks on townies instead of suspects, the question of trust, etc...). The plan isn't bad PER SE, but needs modifications. Also, there are alternatives, like if a DT can pinpoint 3 or more mafia they come out and share their findings. We still have 2 detectives left, so that would be 6 dead mafia, add Ace, and we can cope with 3 more on our own. Also, about the alliterative clues: I highly doubt that the words appearing in the clues area are in fact meaningful by themselves, and what makes me think that, is simply the fact that Chuiu wouldn't want this lot of extra work for himself for no apparent reason. I'm inclined to think that the alliterations have more of a role in it, and it might not be the first letters of a person's name, but maybe the last ones, or just the person with most of those letters in it, or the first letter of their first posts, I dunno... Like I said, I'm not that good with clues interpretation myself, but MTF's interpretations seem a bit far-fetched. Taking me as an example, I could easily be connected to the "man" clue due to my profile picture, or the "nefarious" as a mynock is a malicious being, etc... Every word in those clues is so strange and specific by itself, that it could be interpreted as a clue. That is, because Chuiu had his work cut out already, trying to limit himself to certain letters. Im inclined to agree with you that the alliterations are more important for me i took it as a link to the general arts in general, ie music, poetry, music, acting. Last night before i hit the sac i did a quick scan of the profiles and the like of everyone in the game and came across this. "All the sounds of the Earth are like music" - Oscar Hammerfeld III from Infundibulum's profile, google the quote and you find out that he meant to quote Oscar Hammerstein II who was a writer, producer and director of musicals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Hammerstein_II As such, he is a suspect for me at the moment Infundibulum – reference to Oscar Hammerstein II | ||
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I'm off to work for 9 hours, be back later tonight to continue this. | ||
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ATM as no one followed the voting plan of who to lynch, i am going to vote for one of the many people being voted for in hopes of another tiny ass list to check if nothing else. i vote for Fusionsdf | ||
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On November 08 2008 09:47 Chezinu wrote: I change my vote. I vote for xDark.Carnivalx I think ace is on to something..lol because ace really is going to vote for his own buddies | ||
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On November 09 2008 15:30 Mynock wrote: OK Town, I did enough. Mop them up guys. Well, together with my remains... nice lure out of a suicide bomber dead man, we shall try to take your sacrifice and win this. | ||
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On November 09 2008 15:31 clazziquai wrote: Hmm Plexa has made it through Day 2 now. Medic protection or mafia? 5 dead townies, most likely he wasnt targeted this night | ||
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On November 09 2008 15:43 ~OpZ~ wrote: So.....How many vigis went out tonight.... Hopefully only the one who killed decaf. | ||
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On November 09 2008 15:43 fusionsdf wrote: so it looks like 2 mafia in one? and something to do with fire or burning? seems to have a lot to do with duality (two sets of footsteps, knife on both sides) or could this be 2 mafia? one with fire, one with duality? if its fist fights, we can assume they are humanoid, so while that doesnt rule out animal clues, it does mean they arent being used (probably) in this case. the mafia who burned him (I dont think its going to be something as straightforward as fire) also appears to be very quick seeing as well, two of the two dead mafia seemed to have rather, insanely strong clues pointed towards them, Scorch would fit the bill of a link to fire and burning and Midnight Gladius for a link to a knife as per his image in his profile or araav as he has a zealot in his profile, and we all know a zealot has two blades for the link to who killed bumatlarge, it seems to be that another martial artist fought him, and as i said, going by how the clues seemed to be obvious ones, id nominate naruto as well, naruto is a shinobi in a manga, who would have the ability to fight with martial arts edit: as per duality reference, infundibulum's profile has a dog with two tennis balls, and a link to a game called gladiatus hero of rome which would explain the knives | ||
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On November 09 2008 16:06 fusionsdf wrote: hmm plexa should be back, so I'm interested to see his clue analysis if hes mafia, hes in a tricky spot, because he knows I know him well enough to tell if hes misleading or holding back :D edit: considering scorch has a sig, it seems a bit obvious for chuius style but I really like the infundibwhatever interpretation. I cant guarantee hes mafia, but its pretty solid, and fits in with the type of clues I would expect chuiu to make I linked him in day two as well with Im inclined to agree with you that the alliterations are more important for me i took it as a link to the general arts in general, ie music, poetry, music, acting. Last night before i hit the sac i did a quick scan of the profiles and the like of everyone in the game and came across this. "All the sounds of the Earth are like music" - Oscar Hammerfeld III from Infundibulum's profile, google the quote and you find out that he meant to quote Oscar Hammerstein II who was a writer, producer and director of musicals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Hammerstein_II As such, he is a suspect for me at the moment Infundibulum – reference to Oscar Hammerstein II Edit: I understand how a few are a bit tooo transient on names, but the clues that seem to have linked decaf were very name specific, so possibly the same thing in this case. | ||
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On November 09 2008 16:39 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: not so fast, mafia killing power has been decreased only by 1. We can still lynch one of us and let the mafia have their 4 killings as well. Let's not get too coocky here :\ what he means though is, if we can lynch a mafia today, their killing power will drop to three, which puts us in a good position for day 3. | ||
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On November 10 2008 07:53 decafchicken wrote: Chuiu's obv going for the deep clues this game. /bitter k i'm done posting ~.~ N for NEMY! | ||
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I vote for infundibulum You can check me then and see my innocence. | ||
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On November 10 2008 11:57 ~OpZ~ wrote: My idea is being over used. I only said that idea so the detectives can find mouths so use to post their findings...you'll be a mouth if you do that as a proven townie. Detectives...question chuiu about his vote, then send your findings to him if he is townie. If he doesn't post your shit....we will know he's mafia and slay him with a vengeance. I have no issues being a mouth, untop of that, it narrows a list of people to look at from 5 to 4, giving a higher chance to nail the two mafia from the decaf day two list. It puts my ass on a huge line im aware, but at the same time, there are no more suicide bombers for me to worry about =) | ||
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and On November 10 2008 12:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: ace isnt dead yet? one thing at a time people you missed a day | ||
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On November 10 2008 12:23 clazziquai wrote: #I change my vote from Bloodyc0bbler to fantacist I guess at this point, we are pretty much ahead of the mafia. Even if fantacist flips out blue/green, we'd know that we would lynch the person who PMed fusion or lynch fusion as well | ||
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On November 11 2008 23:01 ZBiR wrote: Firstly, I was at my girl's place for last 40+ hours, so I wasn't checking TL Secondly, you have no power whatsoever to place me "next in line for the gallows" (unless you're mafia/vigilante, which I doubt) Thirdly, since I'm far from being a suspect I don't see why I would be forced to do such things, so I won't. And lastly, I will vote in a manner I choose myself. Don't even try to give me orders, Nightmare. Good that another mafia bit the dust, too bad I couldn't contribute to it ;] Your actually 1 of 5 suspects, and 2 of those 5 are mafia, so 20% chance. so a high suspect none the less | ||
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On November 12 2008 08:02 ZBiR wrote: Yeah, I'm on a totally unconfirmed list with 0 suspicious behaviour before and absolute zero clues (and, as Chuiu stated, those should be quite obvious as my profile contains almost no information that can be used to make clues). Yup, I'm so absolutely mafia it's not even funny. sorry for being hungover =( regardless, my bad. Still, your on a list that two people have mentioned you being on =\ rotfl yeah, 40% chance of me being mafia you should study mathematical statistics, I see future for you there :D | ||
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On November 12 2008 08:57 mikeymoo wrote: It's mikey. Everyone does it. Anyway. I believe that even the act of voting for someone nobody else did clears you, for now. No DTs have spoken up yet, leading me to believe you are green. For now. my apologies again, hungover me sucks at typing. Thanks for the confidence | ||
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Time to string up another one. | ||
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On November 12 2008 15:42 ShadowDrgn wrote: Sorry I didn't trust you Naruto.  We thought the alliteration clues being the first letter of mafia names was too obvious, but now we've killed an A, N, and I. All we're missing is an M, and Mikeymoo and MTF are the only ones still alive. Of course, Ace and iNfuNdiBuLuM might not have actually been the A and I mafia members... Also interesting is that the two people who were first to suggest this interpretation were decafchicken and fanaticist, both mafia members. Intentionally trying to throw the town off? I'm assuming that MidnightGladius was a vigilante kill. Oops. 8 Green townies alive so don't be surprised when mafia hits blues. We actually got lucky again tonight. As it looks like that someone with an M in their name is indeed mafia, i would suggest MTF as he has kind of faded from the game and activeness Also in the alley fight with bockit and azn, bockit fights someone who just defends, and doesnt seem phased by it. (see picture of turtle hiding in its shell in his profile, which is how it defends itself) the mafia then trips him and finishes him off while hes on the ground. (see his quotation: The self-righteously ignorant are the only ones who ever truly believe they've got everything figured out.) this to mean makes it sound like bockit was ignorant to the threat he was fighting then paid the price for it. As for who killed azn, it was someone who tried to provoke an attack, and attacked at the first opening, was someone who was really strong, more importantly though someone who had a very very strong head. For either of these i would recommend wurm or shadowdrgn as a wurm is another name for a dragon, and shadow is a dragon. both of which have insanely armoured and powerful heads, are really strong, and would have the skill to attack quickly to capatalize on its prey's weakness. I think midnight gladius was a vig kill not sure on the naruto kill | ||
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On November 12 2008 16:22 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: well i'll be dipped in shit gg bout fucking time, You were too easily linked on all counts | ||
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Mafia case for Plexa. Although it pains me to do this… I have to open discussion of this. Mafia case for Plexa! Quote: ~ Spirit will set you free ~ Pusan the Special Fireman fighting! Day 3 They spotted a set of foot prints, which perked their curiosity since only one mafia was at the scene of the crime. – Set of prints missing = a spirit? Yogurt tripped his opponent and went to grab him on the ground except his hand was burned by his opponent. – “ Special fireman “ Clutching it in pain his defense was down and he paid greatly for it. – Might relate to spirit toss. Day 4 Time wasn't wasted as the two men attacked aZnvaLiaNce and Bockit. The first took bold strikes at his opponent and did very little damage as Bockit defended himself against the attacks. – Does this remind you of a certain style of protoss? (Spirit toss – endless stream of zealots which eventually overwhelm the opponent) Bockit continued to follow his opponent further but soon stopped as he was tripped to the ground. – Spirit toss eventually starts overwhelming him. Bockit was quickly restrained and found his opponent wrapping something around his neck and tightening it, causing him to lose his breath. – Hose, LOL. (from fireman) Bockit struggled all he could but eventually suffocated to death. Spirit toss finally overwhelms him. In conclusion, [R]Plexa[/R], You’ve solved your last crime. Note: This isn’t final, just to promote thoughts on the subject. edit, sorry for the double post | ||
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On November 12 2008 18:12 Plexa wrote: Here's what has happened. On saturday i was preparing my OSL post when my dad suddenly collapses. One trip to the hospital later he gets given a mandate to either change his eating habits or die a painful death, he is still currently hospitalized. Needless to say mafia is my lowest priority at this moment. Thats rough man =( I went through the exact same thing in the spring. Hope hes ok. | ||
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In the way that naruto dies, in essence an ambush was set as the mafia tampered with naruto's vehicle, waiting till his was open to attack then came in from behind. Something a bandit would do is lay in wait with a trap set and attack from behind. Also from the previous day post, amber light saw two mafia tried to climb a wall, currently plexa and his fireman reference would explain this (climbing a ladder) and if Zbir was a bandit, he would have the tools and skills to climb the wall. Not sure how strong these are, but still, with his name meaning bandit, he can be linked to the game | ||
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Change my vote from MTF to Zbir edit: going to work, be back late tonight | ||
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On November 15 2008 16:27 ShadowDrgn wrote: It's a little too convenient that XCetron and Steve died in the same night. It's quite possible that we've got a leak... If there's another Jack out there, please please PM me. The chances of killing multiple blues now is insanely high remember. More of them than greens! so if my math is right, 3 more and game over? | ||
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Recuring themes in this for the remaining mafia Insanely strong Uppercuts someone who likes to set traps Ill do some more indepth looking, but those are 3 spots we should try to link to, as they have occurred a few times now | ||
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WIth your clue on him, and surprisingly plexa's and mine on mtf, rofl copter pwned? | ||
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On November 18 2008 17:12 Plexa wrote: So basically what happened was after Ace got lynched my dad collapsed and when i finally got back mafia were fucked. WHAT HAPPENED T_T! My perspective Basically it went like this. After day one analysis nightmare contacted me and told me he was a vig, and basically we took a huge risk on eachother betting the other was what he said he was. We both decided to work together, provided we lived the night. We lived the night, and due to a few things you posted right after around that night, nightmare concluded killing decaf would prove you were innocent, which i didnt really get at the time but rolled with. We lynched ace, vigi'd decaf, and mynock managed to lure out nemy. Then we were down 3 mafia. I then proved to nightmare that we had a sure kill mafia in infundbulum so he threw in his hit for him, and we had someone check and call out fanatacist who was lynched, infundi was killed and we were down to 5. we then used a list previously checked that had 2 mafia on a list of 5, we then lynched zbir who flipped green, and then two vigi's pwned lenwe and heros pink. Dropping you guys to three, we lynched mtf at yours mainly and a bit of a few of the rest of us clue analysis, and then it was down to two. We had alot of shit on you and then someone checked you and said you were red, giving you the lynch had we gotten there, then it was gonna be one left. Throughout this however, there were a few small groups that eventually kinda got together through 1 or 2 mutual people to work together to pass info. Sucks for you guys though, ace got nailed at the start, and your dads stuff happening taking you out briefly, sorry bud, better luck in aces game | ||
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and you were the best target. | ||
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On November 19 2008 05:47 MTF wrote: Mostly because you were attempting to organize town. We had a false security in thinking that town couldn't organize so early in a quiet way with no mayor. So, in our minds, people attempting openly to get everyone together should get killed off quickly. We were, y'know, wrong about the behind-the-sceneds whats better is that soon as nightmare and i got together, then mikey and a few others joined on as well, we like, all basically planned on dieing each night, and it ended up with us planning behind the scenes, and jumping on a bandwagon we knew had a high chance to kill, or would release info from a jack/dt to start said lynch. Basically our idea was as soon as nightmare used his kills, and we could then show the clues that point toward him in those ones, we use him as our rally point, as he was someone we could prove blue. I believe that got a few more people in our little group, but overall townies in general were doing some amazing analysis combined with our group mainly just killing people behind the scenes. Go vigi's. Good thing you thought we all were too dumb to organize | ||
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On November 19 2008 06:19 decafchicken wrote: sweet i got thrown under the train for no reason T_T How about A for ace M for MTF N for Nemy I for infundibulum | ||
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