EPTTL Mafia 3 [Night 5]
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On November 02 2008 04:14 Unforgiven wrote: hey guys, im not mafia this time!  i dont see you on the list of players o.O | ||
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On November 03 2008 00:53 fusionsdf wrote: we wont be lynching right away based on inactive but if its like 4hours away from the deadline and you still havent posted anything useful to the town, you are useless, so why should we keep you? Again, for the decaf clues: [C:\Files\tl\Day 4.txt] Line 5 : [4,3]Empyrean got up from his desk, thirsty, went to the break room for a cup of coffee. Line 25 : [4,13]He got up to go get some coffee himself when he noticed five nails on the ground, he walked slowly over to them to investigate. this is from last game. He was innocent. One mention of coffee is just not enough to go on right now. For the people on the list, just try to do something in the next couple of days as long as you arent the most inactive person in the town, you are safe While i agree with said clues about coffee, but, why would chuiu be drinking coffee, and eating his last meal, moments before they were going to lynch him? Seems kind of weird doesn't it? The clues from last game cannot be directly cited for his clue making abilities. Last game, in both of those instances, it was when people were making late nights and needed a drink to keep them going, it just fit in what they were doing. Chuiu drinking coffee before he is about to be lynched, does not "fit" the scenario. The way you look for clues is some of them seemed to be forced, or put in to where a scenario doesn't call for it. Mostly people saying things, items out of place, or words that seem to implicate something other than what it looks like. First sentence with "a moment before he was going to die". A moment is a few seconds, from the sounds of it, it was a few minutes before he was going to be lynched when that sentence was made. | ||
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A) kill him, to make sure he doesn't use any more abilities, or B) let him live, trying to cast suspicion on him making him seem fake. Instead we should try to find another mafia through the clues tonight. Once we lynch them (I am voting for decaf), tomorrow we lynch folca (if he is still alive, i believe he will be if we dont lynch him), that way he can use another ability tomorrow. If he turns blue, we vigi Ace so no one can save him, and with luck, drop the mafia kill count to 4 by tomorrow night. You guys are really charging into this without thinking of your options. Folca pretty much is sacrificing himself, but at least use him for as much as possible. By the town killing him tonight, we give the mafia an extra kill tonight that they wont waste, and it means we have more time to look for other mafia. Lynching him now would be foolish, wasting his potential where we could chance getting a mafia on day 1, not a blue. I vote for decafchicken ps. I believe midnightgladius and jimtudor are people we need to watch for. Midnight for his sig + extremely quick to lynch folca without considering the options. I also think Jimtudor should be watched due to that fact that he is almost certain folca is legit, even though he wouldn't know that by just reading folca (i believe folca, but i am not certain he is legit, so im using him to get the biggest gain for the town). Townies please reconsider folca's proposition of lynching him tonight. Let him live through the night with no paramedics watching him to see if the mafia truly wish to kill him. | ||
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On November 03 2008 13:58 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: i disagree with you alventenine. By lynching folca we gain valuable information. either he's mafia and we have 1 hit or he's blue and we have 2 prime suspects. In the end lynching any other wont give us information until later, and by this lynching we have 2 lists we can start analyzing asap No, you LOSE information by killing him now. Think, if you kill him now and he is blue, you lose another role check, or list check, and you are killing him for the mafia, as they want us to do. That is worst case scenario. We lose tons of information by lynching him. The 2 lists is moot because we can vote for any 2 people and both lists can be checked. If he is mafia, we gain NOTHING, because we are going to lynch him tomorrow if he is alive anyway, therefore it doesn't matter if he is mafia and we kill him now, their kill count for tonight is still 5, whether he is alive or dead. If you cant see that lynching him tonight is a bad idea, then you don't realize what him being alive will make the mafia do. They will have to kill him (which means they waste a kill and free up a lynch for us as well as sure fire kill Ace as mafia), or let him live, in which case we will just frag him tomorrow, after he has used another ability (if he is a detective) | ||
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On November 03 2008 14:09 Jimtudor wrote: No, I said it looks to me that he is legit. To me, that's another way of saying imho. Based on logic, it appears why would a mafia do this. He knows he will die first before ace. He dies, turns up red, ace lives. Mafia wasted a life, ace gains even more clout. What? Where's the strategy? But nethertheless, I really hope he turns up red and is just a mafia bluffing. Sorry, i read your post as you were 100% certain he was legit, which you shouldn't be unless you have role checked him/are mafia know he isn't mafia. | ||
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On November 03 2008 14:17 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Why are we voting for decaf? the last meal clue? The part where Chuiu drank coffee and his last meal before going to get hanged. It for the most part is out of place in context. Before execution they offer people lasts meals (generally, im sure there are plenty of times where they just said get up there and off with their head), but the fact that he stated coffee explicitly when it didn't seem to be needed makes it be more of a clue than just part of the story. | ||
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On November 03 2008 14:21 MidnightGladius wrote: Folca, why do you keep bringing up my contributions to the site? Chu has never set the precedent of doing that in the previous two games, and there's no reason why he should start now. It would make clue interpretation much too erratic and difficult both for him and us. He would have to read through 10 (+ vigil/jack) posting histories on a regular basis and assume that the town does so as well. Also, clues derived from posts would be very easy to see as red herrings. If a mafia mentioned physics, would it be referencing your blog, Empyrean's schedule that he posted in this thread, Chezinu's mad scientist profile, fanaticist's pool table photo, etc. Furthermore, there is no reason not to vote for you, given the claims you've made. Mafia's not going to kill you, since that would tip their hand either way and give the town tempo advantage. As is, the most efficient way to go about this would be to lynch you tonight. If you're red, you're red. If you're green, then screw you. And if you're confirmed DT, then town gets a confirmed kill through lynch, with maybe a second from clue analysis of the first night. Letting you get another cycle's worth of information would be nice, but the fast route is the only likely way the town has to reduce kill power, which is our top priority at the moment. Sigh, you are thinking so incorrectly, it furthers my belief that you are a mafia. You are pretty much charging in at first chance to lynch mafia, thinking only short term to get goals done. What you aren't thinking is long term. By lynching folca tonight, we lose his abilities for tomorrow, or we lose the play of forcing mafia to kill him. We also would be ignoring the entire day of clues, even if vague, at linking them to someone. Anyone voting folca obviously is just bandwagoning without thinking for themselves, meaning the mafia already have this game in control and will continue such a trend until the town is wiped out. Notice how no one until myself challenged lynching folca tonight instead of tomorrow. No one thought of what him being alive through the night does. The fast route to ONE mafia kill is to lynch him tonight. The fast route to multiple mafia lynchings is to lynch him tomorrow. Why? Because we pretty much are assured he will die, tonight (by mafia, wasting a kill they could of used on someone else if we lynch folca today), or tomorrow, when we lynch him. The fact that we should be looking for a mafia tonight is better than killing someone who has role called. Why? because if we kill said role call person, he flips blue, mafia kill 5, we then are lynching our first mafia, and then our vigilantes have ZERO targets until we analyze more clues, putting more townies to risk of dieing for being loud spoken. By lynching folca tomorrow, one of our vigi's have a confirmed mafia kill (if folca is detective and not mafia), and we put pressure on the mafia as to whether to let folca live or die tonight, or tomorrow. This gives us more information in the long run for finding mafia than lynching folca tonight. | ||
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On November 03 2008 14:31 decafchicken wrote: Reasons not to lynch me: 1) it fucks up the list between ace and folca, which we can use to determine mafia 2) You gain way more by choosing to lynch ace or mafi 3) All you have to go on me is a clue so strong its gotta be a red herring. 4) Empy = mafiascum! Also, this post here. Reasons not to lynch you? It shouldn't mess up any list considering no one should be voting for ace and the minority should be voting for folca. We gain less by choosing ace or folca actually, as stated before, folca will die tomorrow regardless of what happens tonight (unless of course people don't read and think for themselves and lynch him tonight like fools). As pointed out in all of Chuiu's games, he does not put any red herrings in the game, meaning you are defending a moot point on how someone read the passage, not what chuiu wrote. Even if Empyrean is mafia, we will find him sooner or later. | ||
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On November 03 2008 14:40 Ace wrote: Alventenie your thinking assumes mafia are 100% stupid. Mafia wouldn't kill Folca tonight. Leaving him alive forces the town to lynch him tomorrow. Whether he gets a role check in again or a vote check in again means nothing if there are only two lists to check. So you'd actually just be starting from scratch, and taking chances on decaf's unfulfilled clue. Thats the problem people have - your long term plan isn't really long term. You HAVE to lynch Folca tomorrow anyway and he can't do a vote check when he's dead can he? So you might as well go the sure fire route and lynch him today because between me and him, you KNOW one of us is mafia. Sigh, no, by lynching him tonight, we WASTE his ability. The fact that he can role check another person is nice considering he will be dieing anyway. Im not saying mafia are 100% stupid, but letting folca live is giving us more information than killing him right away. I can guarantee that if this was last game, you would be saying the same. Folca will die, im not saying he wont, but the fact that you are trying to get the town to rush into killing him tonight shows that you don't want him to give out more information than he has already. We know folca is dead, so, if tomorrow he is alive, he can openly state a list check or role check without any fear, giving us more information to look at. The fact is, mafia would be chancing letting him live and find another mafia with a role check, or wasting a kill. Either way that is good for the town and bad for mafia. It doesn't even matter if mafia are smart or not, they have to make a decision that on both sides is not as good for them than just getting the town to lynch him on day 1. You even know this, and the fact that you are pushing to lynch him today to prove that he is mafia (since you yourself probably will say you are not mafia). | ||
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On November 03 2008 14:52 decafchicken wrote: Did you read the part in this thread were he used the coffee/eating in last game when i WAS NOT mafia? Again, as i will point out in the previous posts to get rid of that. Both parts of said story last game were in context with the story. IE Empyrean last game was pulling a late night and needed coffee to stay awake, which is normal. Second scenario was also a late night, needing coffee to stay awake, again, normal. This time is was drinking coffee moments before someone is getting hanged. That isn't normal. | ||
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On November 03 2008 14:55 Ace wrote: someone address this issue please, because no one has explained yet how they are so sure decaf is going to flip red when we already have a collision going on. Because if he flips blue instead, we waste his ability. By holding off until tomorrow, we gain more intel if he is blue when he will be lynched. We have a collision, but since he is role calling detective, it is beneficial to keep him 1 day that doesn't affect mafia kill count (even if he died tonight as mafia, they still have 5 kills) to chance getting more intel. Decaf: Everyone has a last meal before execution, but how many do you know drink coffee with said last meal? | ||
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On November 03 2008 15:01 Empyrean wrote: Additionally, if we kill decaf and he is red, we will likely vote to lynch Ace instead of Folca next, since Ace is so sedulously defending decaf in the rare case the mafia don't target Folca and we have to choose between him and Ace. Incorrect, Folca will be lynched tomorrow if he is alive. We won't deviate from our path of killing accusers who role call detective. The fact that we are keeping him alive 1 extra day is to get more info before he dies, but die he will. Its the only way to 100% know if ace is mafia or not. | ||
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On November 04 2008 12:46 KH1031 wrote: So..2 more hours until night...Votes so far: 15 to 16, Ace to Falca. I'm assuming that Falca is not a townie. If Falca gets lynched, presumably the vigilantes will get Ace tonight. We have a dead cop/jack and a dead mafia. If Falca gets lynched, then Ace is likely to be innocent. However, this needs to be verified. --- If Ace gets lynched, then Falca is likely to be innocent. However, this needs to be verified. If Ace/Ace gets lynched, presumably the vigilantes will get Falca tonight. We have a dead innocent for a dead mafia. You can't use vigilantes til day 2, hence why lynching either ace or folca today doesn't really do anything amazing for us. Whoever we kill, the other will live until tomorrow. We could of just let them both live and if mafia didn't kill one we would have killed one/both tomorrow. | ||
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On November 04 2008 14:31 Caller wrote: 4. decafchicken 27. Ace 28. MidnightGladius these guys GOGO VIGILANTES Sigh, you cannot use vigilantes on night 1. Hence why lynching folca doesnt do anything except say, hey we lynch Ace tomorrow. | ||
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Lynches are better for the fact that we have a few days to post about them, coming up with analysis, counter points and so on until we have everything pretty much seen. You have 40+ people talking about a lynch, you have 1 deciding a vigi kill. Should save Ace for a vigi unless you cannot find a mafia from any clues (which i think you guys will find a mafia) | ||
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On November 05 2008 06:39 Mandalor wrote: I think Ace protected decaf and MidnightGladius because of common sense. The clues are waaaay too weak to justify us lynching them. Ace's plan was to gain the town's trust and he's done a good job at that (shit, fu Ace you had me  )Its not hard to win trust of many, considering what he did last game as mayor people were just like, oh its Ace, /follow. Im glad folca did what he did, but the town really could have gotten a better deal of day 1. We did the mafia's job for them, killing the DT, now freeing up an extra hit tonight that they would have used on folca to chance killing another blue. | ||
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On November 05 2008 09:32 Ace wrote: Why would you want to use vigi's to kill me? Might as well lynch, if you use the vigis it'll just leave clues to them. And you people have no idea what roles we know so far. lulz. Because we can talk about lynches, finding clues and stuff. Using a vigi on a kill that "might" do something, could kill a townie, and that clue gets in the way of mafia clues. If vigi's are predominately used on mafia, we can not look at clues from those sentences/areas due to the fact that we know its a vigi, and not mafia. Since we talk 48 hours about a lynch, we can put alot more thought into who gets lynched, and its not a one person says i want this guy dead and he dies. edit: you shouldn't know any more roles than we do, unless you are getting into people's accounts and looking at them, only people you know are mafia. If you know any others they could be lieing to you. | ||
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On November 05 2008 11:24 ZBiR wrote: One thing - Ace knew Folca was legit, and also knew that lynching him will reveal his identity. Why would he then want to rush his death? First possible reason is that he was just being dumb. I think we could exclude it, knowing Ace from previous game (although I would be far from calling it 100% true, cause he seemed to panic a bit after being confronted by Folca) The second reason - much more likely - is that he knew he's going to die so he didn't care about that, but killing Folca right now gave him (or rather the mafia team) additional benefit. That benefit would be saving other mafia member that was supposed to be lynched instead of Folca, namely decafchicken (or maybe Gladius, but he was really unlikely to die then). the main reason behind Ace wanting us to lynch folca is because he knew he was a DT. He didn't want us to let him live so the mafia would waste a kill on him. He figured the town would just follow along and lynch him, saving the mafia the trouble during the night. Even though i suspect decaf and midnight, I don't think they are surefire targets based on Ace's defense alone anyway. I just wanted to get the votes off folca/ace because killing neither was the best turnout for the town, it just didn't happen. | ||
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You guys should really kill Ace with a vigi tomorrow night. Use the 48 hours of day to talk about lots of clues to find a new mafia to lynch. | ||
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On November 13 2008 07:43 KH1031 wrote: I vote for KH1031. Note: I will make up my mind on who to vote in 24 hours. In the meantime, I am voting for myself so that people don't bitch me about abstaining. You cannot vote for yourself per rules: 4. You cannot vote for yourself or anyone dead or outside the game. | ||
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On November 13 2008 12:43 decafchicken wrote: Clearly points to me, LYNCH DECAF AGAIN. its in the correct context though! who really drinks coffee at break of dawn on their execution? but imo lycn decaf again np, make sure hes dead. | ||
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