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Far behind Mynocks house Yogurt and Mandalor went clue hunting. They spotted a set of foot prints, which perked their curiosity since only one mafia was at the scene of the crime. Following the set downhill they came across two individuals. Before either towns person could inquire about their presence behind Mynocks house both individuals charged towards them. With no weapons between them two fist fights broke out. Yogurt tripped his opponent and went to grab him on the ground except his hand was burned by his opponent. Clutching it in pain his defense was down and he paid greatly for it. His opponent tripped him also to the ground and quickly got up to his feet, with time to spare he picked the best place to strike and crushed Yogurt's chest. Mandalor was having just as little luck with his opponent and things got worse when it turned into a knife fight. His agile opponent grabbed Mandalor on the shoulder and pulled him close as he plunged the dagger in one side of Mandalors stomach. To finish Mandalor off he pulled the blade all the way to the other end of his stomach.
so it looks like 2 mafia in one?
and something to do with fire or burning?
seems to have a lot to do with duality
(two sets of footsteps, knife on both sides)
or could this be 2 mafia?
one with fire, one with duality?
if its fist fights, we can assume they are humanoid, so while that doesnt rule out animal clues, it does mean they arent being used (probably) in this case.
the mafia who burned him (I dont think its going to be something as straightforward as fire) also appears to be very quick
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hmm
plexa should be back, so I'm interested to see his clue analysis
if hes mafia, hes in a tricky spot, because he knows I know him well enough to tell if hes misleading or holding back :D
edit: considering scorch has a sig, it seems a bit obvious for chuius style
but I really like the infundibwhatever interpretation. I cant guarantee hes mafia, but its pretty solid, and fits in with the type of clues I would expect chuiu to make
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On November 09 2008 17:04 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2008 16:59 goldenkrnboi wrote:
lol. time to find the people who were were oh so vigorously trying to defend decaf.
although i guess their reasons were justified enough.
but as i speak it is exactly 12:00 over here. i'll look over the day for some clues tomorrow.
I may be one of those. I wasn't defending him i was pretty much confused as to killing him on 1 clue... Yet that 1 clue actually was linked to him and he was red..
same
if coffee was the extent of his clue I'll be pretty surprised
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I can announce that I took a hit last night
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why would a vigi target me though? I'm not even a prime suspect
I would expect them to go after decaf,. midnight gladius or people like that
and the clue that points to scorch is the burn one
it seems to obvious, but after the apparent decaf clues some people think it has merit
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because scorch is a synonym for burn
not a very deep clue
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On November 10 2008 08:09 ShadowDrgn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2008 20:33 Scorch wrote:On November 09 2008 06:28 Mynock wrote:
Alright people, listen up: I've got information from a detective regarding the last vote tally, and it seems that out of the people who voted for decafchicken, 2 are mafia.
Another person should soon confirm the same message.
Now, we obviously can't be 100% that the information is correct, but I think it's somewhat safe to assume it is, since role-claiming, especially an important role like a DT, would be a pretty stupid move by mafia. That would be Mandalor
ZBiR
Artanis[Xp]
HeRoS)Pink
Amber[LighT]
Lenwe
BloodyC0bbler
Since Mynock is innocent too, his information seems quite reliable. A mafia could have claimed DT towards him, but that's very risky and thus unlikely. So we have a great 2 mafia out of 5 (40%):ZBiR
Artanis[Xp]
HeRoS)Pink
Lenwe
BloodyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler seems to be high on everybody's suspect list for various reasons, so he should be killed soon too. What doesn't make sense is why the mafia would kill 2 people on that list. Mandalor was making some good posts, but Amber? How about this scenario:
Mafia claims he's a DT and messages Mynock about the decaf list. Mynock posts the information he received and becomes an obvious target, hopefully drawing medic protection. Mafia takes a risk with the suicide bomber to get some medics.Now, how much of a risk is claiming to be a detective when you're going to kill the person you told the next night? It's extremely unlikely that Mynock was going to out the informant, and now he's dead. Although they're obviously hoping that Mynock doesn't just PM someone now. If I were mafia, I wouldn't take that chance. It would make sense that nemy suicided himself as part of a plan and not just as an opportunity, but perhaps the mafia thought the alliteration clues were going to nail him?
I agree with this interpretation (we still cant say for sure)
which is why I think we should avoid acting on that list if we have better alternatives
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IMPORTANT NEWS
someone has PMed me claiming to be a detective, and they used a role check on fanatacist
he is mafia
(if you believe the PM, which I do, since mafia doesnt gain a ton by faking it)
so do we switch votes tonight, or lynch midnight gladius and lynch fanatacist tomorrow?
tl;dr: fanatacist is mafia
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Im going over the clues looking for fanatacist interpretations, anyone who can help would be appreciated (Im looking at you MTF <3)
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###I change my vote to Fanatacist
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ps I have a backup plan, so even on the off chance the dt is fake, we will get another mafia in exchange
so its a lose lose play for mafia, which is why I believe its legit
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um
its not finger pointing
its a DT rolecheck. If its correct, you die and we are down a mafia.
If its a lie, I already have systems in place to make the name of the 'DT' public. In which case that mafia will die.
Either way, a mafia is dying tonight (probably) or tomorrow (if all else fails)
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well there is another factor which makes this unlikely, but I cant reveal it to town, because that would benefit mafia.
fanatacist, if a real DT PMed me a name, and I take that name and replace it with fanatacist, the DT can speak up and say a) this original target is mafia and b) fusionsdf changed the target, so he is mafia as well.
then we trade 2 mafia for a green and a blue
yeah
not a good deal for the mafia
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On November 10 2008 12:45 KH1031 wrote:
Hmm...
Am I missing something here?
From what I observed, I posted a possible clue on MidnightGladius and everyone jumped on the bandwagon. Then fusionsdf came out with some breaking news, then everyone switched again.
Also, it seems that no one has questioned fusionsdf's identity so far (Seriously, am I missing something here?)
Okay...case breakdown again:
Assuming that all of the following players are sane (Big assumption, I must say)
1. fusionsdf/fusionsdf got a PM from a DT, whom rolechecked fanatacist, and fanatacist is a mafia.
2. fusionsdf/fusionsdf got a PM from a DT, whom claimed that he rolechecked fanatacist, and fanatacist/fanatacist is not a mafia
3. fusionsdf MADE UP THE PM, and fanatacist/fanatacist is not a mafia.
4. fusionsdf MADE UP THE PM, and fanatacist is a mafia
5. fusionsdf got a PM from a DT, whom claimed that he rolechecked fanatacist, and fanatacist is a mafia.
It seems like most of the posts so far only considered cases 1 and 2. Unless you guys know some information that I don't, I cannot see why we should rule out the possibility of case 3.
Case 4 and 5 seems rather unlikely, but I think it's necessary to put it up here.
Edit:
Apparently my reply took a while to type up, and meanwhile more drama happened while I was typing this up.
I have to head to bed...maybe tomorrow I'll see what happens.
KH in case 1 its a mafia for free
in case 2 its a green for a red
in case 3 its a green for a red (or if you lynch me second, 2 greens for a red)
in case 4 ....well it makes no sense. Its either me a red giving up another red (for future influence?) or a green fooling around and giving up a red. But from my posting history, it should be pretty obvious that the second option is not realistic
in case 5 its 2 red for a blue
all of those benefit town
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On November 10 2008 13:00 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 12:55 Bockit wrote:On November 10 2008 12:51 fanatacist wrote:On November 10 2008 12:45 Bockit wrote:On November 10 2008 12:40 fanatacist wrote:On November 10 2008 12:32 fusionsdf wrote:
um
its not finger pointing
its a DT rolecheck. If its correct, you die and we are down a mafia.
If its a lie, I already have systems in place to make the name of the 'DT' public. In which case that mafia will die.
Either way, a mafia is dying tonight (probably) or tomorrow (if all else fails) And what if you are a Mafia and the name of the DT is another townie (hopefully a blue), so when I turn up green (since you know I'm not Mafia), you make everyone lynch the supposed DT, who will also turn up green/blue. Kind of a beneficial circumstance, especially if someone trusted you early on like they trusted Ace and PM'd you information on our roles. Here is what I suspect is happening: DT PMs fusionsdf, tells him he is DT. Tells him the roles of people he has checked. Whether he checked me or not is unimportant, fusionsdf knows that I am definitely green/blue because HE is Mafia. fusionsdf makes this post claiming that I am a Mafia. Everyone supports it because OH MA GAWD BANDWAGON BASED ON FUSIONS' WORD LAWL. I get lynched, turn up green. fusionsdf can't be blamed by the town, since he was just the mouthpiece, right? So, fusionsdf reveals the name of the DT, DT gets lynched. Turns up blue. The town realizes they have been fucked in the ass because they lost a DT and a townie in exchange for 1 Mafia, over a (probably, assuming no vigi intervention) 2 day period. Mafia has the same KP this whole time, whittling down the town. In the end, the town has wasted 2 lynches and killed only 1 Mafia. Mafia wins, gg no re. Are you all really so blind in your bandwagon that you can't see this? Except if the dt is legit and pm'd fusion and fusion is mafia then the dt is dead anyway as nobody knows his name for paramedics to save and mafia will definitely kill him tonight. If this is the scenario the dt is lost anyay so it's just tossing up between you and fusion. That said, this situation is so implausible it's not funny. Why would a REAL dt (because this situation you're describing requires a REAL dt) pm a random townie with FALSE information (which is what is required if you are green/blue as per the circumstances you describe), he is risking everything for NO GAIN (town lynches a blue/green instead of a red) and also his own life when he is so important. You misunderstand. A real DT PM'd him about some finding he had, trusting fusionsdf to be his mouthpiece (without rolechecking HIM first, obviously, kind of like how people PM'd Ace). Fusions is a Mafia, and finds out that _____ is a DT. He puts out false information to stall the town's lynches, get rid of a DT, and a green/blue (me) at the same time. After what happened with Ace, is it really so hard to imagine? Come on Bockit, I thought you would understand at least the theory behind this. I misinterpreted what you meant then. Except again, you're missing something important there. The real dt can now speak up. In fact, if this is the case (that fusion is a mafia and is putting forward the false name), I ask for the dt to speak up so that we don't lose a green/blue. If this is the correct scenario, you are going to die anyway (fusion is a mafia and you are now known as a dt). If this happens (the dt who pm'd fusion calls out fusion as a liar), you're clean fanatacist. I have my doubts at this stage. You probably wrote this as I made my edit above, so I will just restate that it is possible that the DT sent a list analysis and not a specific name. It was probably an incriminating analysis for a Mafia (fusionsdf) to pull this out of the hat, although like I also mentioned earlier, wasting time, greens, and a DT for the sake of ONE Mafia (while other suspects like MG and whoever is on this list keep on living) is more than worth it. There is no real reason for me to be a DT either, I don't see where you pulled that from. I am not a DT, I am not Mafia, I am just a townie who can see through the shit curtain being pulled down to cover up MG as soon as that bandwagon started rolling, probably clearer than many of you because I am obviously not going to be joining a bandwagon to lynch myself since I know I'm green.
if it was just a vague list check that I altered, I could kill the DT quietly instead
its the choice between getting a blue for free, or sacrificing a red for a blue and a green
doesnt make much sense
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On November 10 2008 13:06 ShadowDrgn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 12:40 fanatacist wrote:
Here is what I suspect is happening:
DT PMs fusionsdf, tells him he is DT. Tells him the roles of people he has checked. Whether he checked me or not is unimportant, fusionsdf knows that I am definitely green/blue because HE is Mafia. fusionsdf makes this post claiming that I am a Mafia. Everyone supports it because OH MA GAWD BANDWAGON BASED ON FUSIONS' WORD LAWL. I get lynched, turn up green. fusionsdf can't be blamed by the town, since he was just the mouthpiece, right? So, fusionsdf reveals the name of the DT, DT gets lynched. Turns up blue. The town realizes they have been fucked in the ass because they lost a DT and a townie in exchange for 1 Mafia, over a (probably, assuming no vigi intervention) 2 day period. Mafia has the same KP this whole time, whittling down the town. In the end, the town has wasted 2 lynches and killed only 1 Mafia. Mafia wins, gg no re. I don't think there's a DT involved at all. Fusionsdf is mafia, makes up the DT story (real original since it's already been used for real this game), and we're supposed to lynch the person he chose. After fanatacist turns up green/blue, we lynch the supposed DT, which is going to be another name fusionsdf makes up. Three days later, we kill him. Doing this makes perfect sense if MidnightGladius is actually mafia and fusionsdf is covering for him to buy time (and kills). I realize this is going to look really bad for me if fanatacist gets lynched and turns up red. 
ok well then kill me bofore you kill the 'DT' I don't really care that much
I'd like to stay alive, but if it means killing a mafia, 2 greens for a red is a good trade even if Im one of the greens involved.
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On November 10 2008 13:12 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 13:06 ShadowDrgn wrote:On November 10 2008 12:40 fanatacist wrote:
Here is what I suspect is happening:
DT PMs fusionsdf, tells him he is DT. Tells him the roles of people he has checked. Whether he checked me or not is unimportant, fusionsdf knows that I am definitely green/blue because HE is Mafia. fusionsdf makes this post claiming that I am a Mafia. Everyone supports it because OH MA GAWD BANDWAGON BASED ON FUSIONS' WORD LAWL. I get lynched, turn up green. fusionsdf can't be blamed by the town, since he was just the mouthpiece, right? So, fusionsdf reveals the name of the DT, DT gets lynched. Turns up blue. The town realizes they have been fucked in the ass because they lost a DT and a townie in exchange for 1 Mafia, over a (probably, assuming no vigi intervention) 2 day period. Mafia has the same KP this whole time, whittling down the town. In the end, the town has wasted 2 lynches and killed only 1 Mafia. Mafia wins, gg no re. I don't think there's a DT involved at all. Fusionsdf is mafia, makes up the DT story (real original since it's already been used for real this game), and we're supposed to lynch the person he chose. After fanatacist turns up green/blue, we lynch the supposed DT, which is going to be another name fusionsdf makes up. Three days later, we kill him. Doing this makes perfect sense if MidnightGladius is actually mafia and fusionsdf is covering for him to buy time (and kills). I realize this is going to look really bad for me if fanatacist gets lynched and turns up red. That's another possibility, probably even more probable, but less profitable for Mafia than if a DT is involved. ~Opz~, fusionsdf is on the same list, is it not possible that he was worried of the same and went out of his way to single me out? What if both him and Chezinu are Mafia; they kill Mynock, which instantly would throw suspicion onto them and myself. In order to get at least one mafia out of this list, they would scapegoat me.
Or maybe I was on the same list, got role checked and cleared and you got rolechecked at confirmed mafia?
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just want to bring up my anonymous interpretation again. decaf > mumyung > anonymous. So its possible the anonymous clue could have referred to him
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On November 11 2008 04:35 mikeymoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 03:44 MTF wrote:
If Fanatacist doesn't turn up red, I hope Fusion survives to tell us who the DT was. Fusion will tell us before the night cycle is finished, presumably.
I'll tell you before the day cycle i.e after the lynch, but before mafia can do hits
of course thats only if he somehow turns up green or something
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