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On November 04 2008 11:46 Empyrean wrote:
The thing is, by roleclaiming DT, obviously some other DT would be suspicious and rolecheck him.
The fact that no other person claiming to be DT has spoken up saying that they investigated him and that Folca is mafia pretty much ensures that Folca isn't mafia. I'm pretty sure that once Folca roleclaimed DT, another one checked him out, found out he was DT, and decided to stay silent. They'd only pull the alarm if Folca were actually mafia.
Honestly. If any of you guys were DT and someone claimed they were DT and accused Ace, wouldn't your natural reaction be to investigate Folca and see if he were lying? Exactly. I'm positive that some other DT has investigated Folca, found him to be DT, and is thus remaining silent.
Or they could have figured out he was mafia, and are keeping quiet until tomorrow when they won't be targets and screw us over.
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On November 04 2008 10:39 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 10:04 Caller wrote:Here's an updated list because I'm nice  notes at bottom decafchicken - 8~OpZ~ Amber[LighT] Alventenie Scorch xDark.Carnivalx goldenkrnboi KH1031 iNfuNdiBuLuM Folca - 15Acedecafchicken Bockit bumatlarge MidnightGladiusRtS)Night[Mare MTF BloodyC0bbler Camlito Jimtudor
[GiTM]-Ace
aZnvaLiaNce
Mandalor nemY fusionsdf Ace - 15HeRoS)Pink mikeymoo Empyrean araav Artanis G.s)NarutO ShadowDrgn Lenwe ZBiR fanatacist Caller Folca Falcynn clazziquai ulszz Abstain -4XCetron KF91 wurm SoleSteelerSuper Drunk (probably made out with a transvestite too) FakeSteve[TPR] MidnightGladius Plexa JeeJeeChezinu The bolded area is the Folca train, namely, four consecutive folca vote posts without any justification at all. Perhaps more interesting is that two of them are on my clues list. Italicized people are just general suspects of mine. I think there is a name missing...
lol why do you suspect me?
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On November 04 2008 11:50 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 11:46 Empyrean wrote:
The thing is, by roleclaiming DT, obviously some other DT would be suspicious and rolecheck him.
The fact that no other person claiming to be DT has spoken up saying that they investigated him and that Folca is mafia pretty much ensures that Folca isn't mafia. I'm pretty sure that once Folca roleclaimed DT, another one checked him out, found out he was DT, and decided to stay silent. They'd only pull the alarm if Folca were actually mafia.
Honestly. If any of you guys were DT and someone claimed they were DT and accused Ace, wouldn't your natural reaction be to investigate Folca and see if he were lying? Exactly. I'm positive that some other DT has investigated Folca, found him to be DT, and is thus remaining silent. or the other DTs already used their ability, don't want to die, etc.
Think about this. If Folca were actually a DT and a DT investigated him and found that he was, then we'd have one dead DT, Folca.
If Folca were mafia and a DT investigated him, the DT would naturally speak up and say that Folca is mafia, and the other DT would die (to mafia). Either way, we have one dead detective. Besides, the DT also realizes how important a townie Ace could be, and would also naturally want to save Ace.
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On November 04 2008 11:53 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 11:46 Empyrean wrote:
The thing is, by roleclaiming DT, obviously some other DT would be suspicious and rolecheck him.
The fact that no other person claiming to be DT has spoken up saying that they investigated him and that Folca is mafia pretty much ensures that Folca isn't mafia. I'm pretty sure that once Folca roleclaimed DT, another one checked him out, found out he was DT, and decided to stay silent. They'd only pull the alarm if Folca were actually mafia.
Honestly. If any of you guys were DT and someone claimed they were DT and accused Ace, wouldn't your natural reaction be to investigate Folca and see if he were lying? Exactly. I'm positive that some other DT has investigated Folca, found him to be DT, and is thus remaining silent. Or they could have figured out he was mafia, and are keeping quiet until tomorrow when they won't be targets and screw us over.
The problem is, if they found Folca to be mafia, then they'd know that there'd be a high chance that Ace is townie. Now they would weigh Ace's death against their own DT life.
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On November 04 2008 11:50 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 11:46 Empyrean wrote:
The thing is, by roleclaiming DT, obviously some other DT would be suspicious and rolecheck him.
The fact that no other person claiming to be DT has spoken up saying that they investigated him and that Folca is mafia pretty much ensures that Folca isn't mafia. I'm pretty sure that once Folca roleclaimed DT, another one checked him out, found out he was DT, and decided to stay silent. They'd only pull the alarm if Folca were actually mafia.
Honestly. If any of you guys were DT and someone claimed they were DT and accused Ace, wouldn't your natural reaction be to investigate Folca and see if he were lying? Exactly. I'm positive that some other DT has investigated Folca, found him to be DT, and is thus remaining silent. or the other DTs already used their ability, don't want to die, etc.
or are saving their ability to vote check
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Or Emp, they could realize Folca was a DT but realized revealing themselves to Folca also makes bring them out into the open, and also questions whether they or legit or not. So they couldn't do that even if they wanted to, so what your saying is wrong.
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Anyway, one thing to be absolutely sure of: after tonight's deaths, analyze posting patterns. See who accuses whom, see who defends whom, etc. Posting behavior is a very good indicator of role. Put yourselves in mafia shoes and ask yourselves what you'd do in this situation when confronted by a new argument. I cannot stress that enough.
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On November 04 2008 11:57 Ace wrote:
Or Emp, they could realize Folca was a DT but realized revealing themselves to Folca also makes bring them out into the open, and also questions whether they or legit or not. So they couldn't do that even if they wanted to, so what your saying is wrong.
By saying Folca were actually mafia, they'd reveal Folca's guilt and your (ostensible) innocence.
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On November 04 2008 11:55 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 11:50 decafchicken wrote:On November 04 2008 11:46 Empyrean wrote:
The thing is, by roleclaiming DT, obviously some other DT would be suspicious and rolecheck him.
The fact that no other person claiming to be DT has spoken up saying that they investigated him and that Folca is mafia pretty much ensures that Folca isn't mafia. I'm pretty sure that once Folca roleclaimed DT, another one checked him out, found out he was DT, and decided to stay silent. They'd only pull the alarm if Folca were actually mafia.
Honestly. If any of you guys were DT and someone claimed they were DT and accused Ace, wouldn't your natural reaction be to investigate Folca and see if he were lying? Exactly. I'm positive that some other DT has investigated Folca, found him to be DT, and is thus remaining silent. or the other DTs already used their ability, don't want to die, etc. Think about this. If Folca were actually a DT and a DT investigated him and found that he was, then we'd have one dead DT, Folca. If Folca were mafia and a DT investigated him, the DT would naturally speak up and say that Folca is mafia, and the other DT would die (to mafia). Either way, we have one dead detective. Besides, the DT also realizes how important a townie Ace could be, and would also naturally want to save Ace. EDIT: Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 11:53 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 04 2008 11:46 Empyrean wrote:
The thing is, by roleclaiming DT, obviously some other DT would be suspicious and rolecheck him.
The fact that no other person claiming to be DT has spoken up saying that they investigated him and that Folca is mafia pretty much ensures that Folca isn't mafia. I'm pretty sure that once Folca roleclaimed DT, another one checked him out, found out he was DT, and decided to stay silent. They'd only pull the alarm if Folca were actually mafia.
Honestly. If any of you guys were DT and someone claimed they were DT and accused Ace, wouldn't your natural reaction be to investigate Folca and see if he were lying? Exactly. I'm positive that some other DT has investigated Folca, found him to be DT, and is thus remaining silent. Or they could have figured out he was mafia, and are keeping quiet until tomorrow when they won't be targets and screw us over. The problem is, if they found Folca to be mafia, then they'd know that there'd be a high chance that Ace is townie. Now they would weigh Ace's death against their own DT life.
But what is the advantage to sacrifice the DT if Ace is just a townie. Ace may be a great leader, but a detective who isn't known to mafia is slightly more valuable since Ace can't question the meaning of each Day/Night post.
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@mynock: my lynching conclusion is based on straight logic. I use that idea every game I play where on the first day someone claims to be a DT and there is no way to prove it.
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also if a dt did rolecheck folca and turns out to be red, why would he sacrifice himself to reveal the role of the player likely to be lynched today?
we would have killed 1 mafia and kept all 3 of our DTs
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On November 04 2008 12:00 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
also if a dt did rolecheck folca and turns out to be red, why would he sacrifice himself to reveal the role of the player likely to be lynched today?
we would have killed 1 mafia and kept all 3 of our DTs
Oh, this is a good point. Hadn't actually considered this.
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On November 04 2008 11:54 ulszz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 10:39 Fishball wrote:On November 04 2008 10:04 Caller wrote:Here's an updated list because I'm nice notes at bottom decafchicken - 8~OpZ~ Amber[LighT] Alventenie Scorch xDark.Carnivalx goldenkrnboi KH1031 iNfuNdiBuLuM Folca - 15Acedecafchicken Bockit bumatlarge MidnightGladiusRtS)Night[Mare MTF BloodyC0bbler Camlito Jimtudor
[GiTM]-Ace
aZnvaLiaNce
Mandalor nemY fusionsdf Ace - 15HeRoS)Pink mikeymoo Empyrean araav Artanis G.s)NarutO ShadowDrgn Lenwe ZBiR fanatacist Caller Folca Falcynn clazziquai ulszz Abstain -4XCetron KF91 wurm SoleSteelerSuper Drunk (probably made out with a transvestite too) FakeSteve[TPR] MidnightGladius Plexa JeeJeeChezinu The bolded area is the Folca train, namely, four consecutive folca vote posts without any justification at all. Perhaps more interesting is that two of them are on my clues list. Italicized people are just general suspects of mine. I think there is a name missing... lol why do you suspect me?
What? I'm not even quoting you.
I'm just saying there is a name not on the list... guess who?
Anyways, I think I'm just going to sit and watch how things turn out for Night 1/Day 2.
Unless there are two suspects/victims tied in votes and require an extra vote to decide 
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To be honest, I'm leaning more and more towards supporting Ace. He has very solid arguments and everything. It's hard not to agree with him.
Hell, even if he is mafia, he's still a great asset to the town if not for anything but his intelligence.
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On November 04 2008 12:07 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 11:54 ulszz wrote:On November 04 2008 10:39 Fishball wrote:On November 04 2008 10:04 Caller wrote:Here's an updated list because I'm nice notes at bottom decafchicken - 8~OpZ~ Amber[LighT] Alventenie Scorch xDark.Carnivalx goldenkrnboi KH1031 iNfuNdiBuLuM Folca - 15Acedecafchicken Bockit bumatlarge MidnightGladiusRtS)Night[Mare MTF BloodyC0bbler Camlito Jimtudor
[GiTM]-Ace
aZnvaLiaNce
Mandalor nemY fusionsdf Ace - 15HeRoS)Pink mikeymoo Empyrean araav Artanis G.s)NarutO ShadowDrgn Lenwe ZBiR fanatacist Caller Folca Falcynn clazziquai ulszz Abstain -4XCetron KF91 wurm SoleSteelerSuper Drunk (probably made out with a transvestite too) FakeSteve[TPR] MidnightGladius Plexa JeeJeeChezinu The bolded area is the Folca train, namely, four consecutive folca vote posts without any justification at all. Perhaps more interesting is that two of them are on my clues list. Italicized people are just general suspects of mine. I think there is a name missing... lol why do you suspect me? What? I'm not even quoting you. I'm just saying there is a name not on the list... guess who? Anyways, I think I'm just going to sit and watch how things turn out for Night 1/Day 2. Unless there are two suspects/victims tied in votes and require an extra vote to decide
i think he's referring to caller and why his name is italicized. though i don't see why he would quote you or include your quote.
it's nice to see that 45/50 people voted/abstained/stated that they're too drunk to vote. 
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Vote Count:
decafchicken - 9
~OpZ~
Jimtudor
Alventenie
xDark.Carnivalx
goldenkrnboi
Scorch
KH1031
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Mynock
Folca - 16
Ace
MidnightGladius
RtS)Night[Mare
BloodyC0bbler
Camlito
MTF
[GiTM]-Ace
aZnvaLiaNce
Mandalor
bumatlarge
Bockit
nemY
fusionsdf
decafchicken
wurm
Amber[LighT]
Ace - 15
HeRoS)Pink
mikeymoo
Empyrean
G.s)NarutO
araav
Artanis[Xp]
ShadowDrgn
Lenwe
ZBiR
fanatacist
Caller
Folca
Falcynn
clazziquai
ulszz
MidnightGladius
Plexa
JeeJee
Chezinu
imDerek
JeeJee
Abstain
SoleSteeler
KF91
XCetron
Super Drunk (probably made out with a transvestite too)
FakeSteve[TPR]
Will end voting in about two hours and then move to night.
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DONT LYNCH FOLCA
SOMEONE SWAP LOL
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So..2 more hours until night...Votes so far: 15 to 16, Ace to Falca.
I'm assuming that Falca is not a townie.
If Falca gets lynched, presumably the vigilantes will get Ace tonight. We have a dead cop/jack and a dead mafia.
If Falca gets lynched, then Ace is likely to be innocent. However, this needs to be verified.
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If Ace gets lynched, then Falca is likely to be innocent. However, this needs to be verified.
If Ace/Ace gets lynched, presumably the vigilantes will get Falca tonight. We have a dead innocent for a dead mafia.
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you can be the new ace if you want
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lol is true maybe i should change my vote
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