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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16976 Posts
November 03 2008 22:53 GMT
#721
If Folca is still in the lead, I would recommend everyone who voted for the third place candidate right now to switch to the second place candidate to ensure that we don't vote to lynch Folca yet.
Moderator
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
November 03 2008 23:04 GMT
#722
It's obviously not worth for a mafia to reveal himself to just kill a townie (esp. since blue percentage is quite low), so I think Folca is legit.

[b]## I change my vote from decafchicken to Ace.[\b]
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-03 23:21:56
November 03 2008 23:11 GMT
#723
Here's an updated list because I'm nice notes at bottom

decafchicken - 7
~OpZ~
Amber[LighT]
Alventenie
Scorch
xDark.Carnivalx
goldenkrnboi
KH1031

Folca - 16
Ace
decafchicken
Bockit
bumatlarge
MidnightGladius
RtS)Night[Mare
MTF
BloodyC0bbler
Camlito
Jimtudor
clazziquai
[GiTM]-Ace
aZnvaLiaNce
Mandalor

nemY
fusionsdf

Ace - 12
HeRoS)Pink
mikeymoo
Empyrean
araav
Artanis
G.s)NarutO
ShadowDrgn
Lenwe
ZBiR
fanatacist
Caller
Folca

Abstain -7
XCetron
KF91
wurm
Falcynn
SoleSteeler
iNfuNdiBuLuM

Super Drunk (probably made out with a transvestite too)
FakeSteve[TPR]

MidnightGladius
Plexa

JeeJee
Chezinu


The bolded area is the Folca train, namely, four consecutive folca vote posts without any justification at all. Perhaps more interesting is that two of them are on my clues list.

Italicized people are just general suspects of mine.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16976 Posts
November 03 2008 23:14 GMT
#724
So now the question is, do we want people to vote for Ace or decafchicken? We obviously don't want to kill off Folca, however small the chance is that he's detective. Both Ace and decafchicken are likely to be mafia, but who should we bandwagon on so that we don't accidentally kill a detective?
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Folca
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
2235 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-03 23:17:49
November 03 2008 23:14 GMT
#725
I change my vote to Ace
:edit:
The reason I change my vote is because I really do respect Chuiu's clues, and I figured it wouldnt be that damn easy to just give us "coffee" as DecafChicken, hes still very capable for Chuiu to come out with harder clues with
Dea : one time when he was playing vs the comps he asked me "how do I make that flying unit that makes the other stuff invisible" and I reply "ur playing terran zomg"
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16976 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-03 23:17:10
November 03 2008 23:16 GMT
#726
Ok, I might as well.

I'm voting for Ace.

Just to clear anything up.

EDIT: And if Ace happens to be green, our next lynch targets should be Folca, and then whoever behavior/clue analysis points to.
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
November 03 2008 23:17 GMT
#727
On November 04 2008 05:26 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
to all people abstaining, abstaining hurts the detectives' job. Please, i encourage to vote for either of the 3 prime candidates for lynching, with is Ace/Folca/Decaf. DT'S Cant check abstain lists, and splitting into to many candidates will make it useless.

if you want to really abstain vote for the lowest vote count candidate. Right now i think folca is most likely lynched so vote for ace or decaf

I guess you're right, I didn't think that the abstain list can't be checked. Fine. I feel bad for Chuiu, though, always re-counting votes.

I'm voting for Ace. Like I said, I didn't really want to vote, but since it really will hurt the town I guess... Here is my reasoning on all current suspects, hopefully many of you will take the time to read this and will agree:

1) Ace

Ace is smart, active, and a constant force in Mafia games. What does this mean? That he is always a threat to the opposite side. Other people have listed the possible motives or combinations of roles for the Folca vs. Ace collision, so I won't go too in depth on it. If he is Mafia, he is pretty fucking good at covering up his intent, or somehow making the Mafia's benefit seem like the town's benefit. I'm not 100% on his innocence (maybe like 50%). I am not 100% sure that it's a good idea to lynch a strong player like him, but I am 100% sure that he is capable of some shit like this. The clues pointing to him are interesting ones (the trusting authority being a possible connection to last game's mayor... it would be a great clue). Given that I assume he has the ability to trick us all and mislead us into doing Mafia's dirty work, I am voting Ace.

2) Folca

Folca had some good posts, some terrible posts (in terms of logic). Also his hyper-aggression is a bit unsettling, seeing as he only allegedly used one check and only one person... Who also happens to be one of the most useful players in the game. It would be very beneficial for the Mafia to kill off Ace even if he is just green at the cost of one of their own, because their killing power does not decrease, and on top of that the people Ace defended are now up for suspicion as well, diluting the list of actual Mafias on the suspect list. However, all this doesn't eliminate the possibility that he is just inconsistently smart and is actually a DT. If this is the case, then losing him would also damage the town, as losing a DT for a Mafia is not a fair trade, even if the town chooses to go after decaf or MG after and find them to be red. At this rate, we'd lose all our DTs pretty fast... I strongly advise all other DTs to not do what Folca did. This brings me back to the point that a good DT with the town's best interest in mind wouldn't act like he did, though he is like 15 (not that age matters, but it might) and inconsistently smart like I said, it makes his legitimacy suspicious to me. Maybe I am making a long stretch in this one, but I think it's interesting to find little clue connections like this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/24404.jpg?1162781569
^ From Folca's profile.
"Many in the crowd were excessively enthusiastic about the lynching and many were grave and quiet."

Doesn't that look like the cats in the picture? Oh well... Still don't want to risk losing a potential DT.

3) Decafchicken

I think that the evidence for him is ridiculous, and he has done absolutely nothing else incriminating otherwise. I don't see how people don't get that COFFEE DOES NOT ALWAYS = DECAF. Jesus, are chickens and coffee permanently taboo topics as long as decaf is in the game? We went over this in Mafia 2, this is just hot air to me. If Ace turns up red, I don't think his support of decaf is incriminating either, seeing as it is plain logical. Poor guy should just use a different name for Mafia games, seriously.

4) MidnightGladius

I find the clue pointing to him to be stronger than any indications from his behavior. However, he is not the town's focus right now, and rightfully so, since we only have one decent clue in his direction.

5) Plexa

Another strong player. The authority hint might point towards him, and like Ace I fully expect him to be able to twist shit to make us believe he is a townie. However, I can't say that I am too swayed in either direction about him simply because his views have been moderate and logical, as they always are.

6) MTF

Yet another strong player. Ironic, isn't it, how all the heavy hitters are instantly suspects? I don't know what to think about all of this, I don't see reasonable evidence for any of them as of now, but it is interesting. Maybe it's because Folca is accusing/incriminating those that are most logical (in my eyes, at least), because they are the most likely to eliminate Mafia as more clues arise? I wish I knew.

7) JeeJee

Lol.



So,

I vote for Ace.
Peace~
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 03 2008 23:20 GMT
#728
Swapping my vote to Ace as well.

updating list:
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
November 03 2008 23:31 GMT
#729
Lynching either Ace or Folca tonight is just a bad idea =/.
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 03 2008 23:41 GMT
#730
Caller...I don't understand.

I saw Nightmare's list of who should vote for Ace and who should vote for Folca.

I'm merely following directions lol
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 03 2008 23:44 GMT
#731
Man this could go either way and I'm scared of what could happen.

If Folca is really a detective we are safe.
However if he is a mafia claiming to be a detective and Ace is lynched, we could be fucked.
And I doubt that Folca is a townie and claiming he's detective. That's just...stupid

So it's highly likely Folca or Ace is mafia. One of them is lying ._.
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
Folca
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
2235 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-03 23:45:32
November 03 2008 23:44 GMT
#732
On November 04 2008 08:41 clazziquai wrote:
Caller...I don't understand.

I saw Nightmare's list of who should vote for Ace and who should vote for Folca.

I'm merely following directions lol

That direction is long dead.. We cant trust anyone
Just folow your instincts clazziquai, hope it turns out for the best yeah?
Take a risk clazziquai, believe in me, and you will NOT be disappointed
Dea : one time when he was playing vs the comps he asked me "how do I make that flying unit that makes the other stuff invisible" and I reply "ur playing terran zomg"
Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
November 03 2008 23:47 GMT
#733
I change my vote from abstain, and vote for Ace.

Just caught up with the reading, don't have time to update the blog so I'll just vote.
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 03 2008 23:49 GMT
#734
Okay then I didn't know that the list was dead haha.

Therefore:
I change my vote from Folca and now my vote goes to Ace
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
Folca
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
2235 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-04 00:00:14
November 03 2008 23:52 GMT
#735
Keep in mind people, if you really do believe that i am a Detective..
Ace is trying his best to discredit what im saying, contradicting myself
Dont fall into this, keep true to what you really think is the truth
:edit:
Ok god damn it
Dea : one time when he was playing vs the comps he asked me "how do I make that flying unit that makes the other stuff invisible" and I reply "ur playing terran zomg"
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20010 Posts
November 03 2008 23:55 GMT
#736
On November 04 2008 08:52 Folca wrote:
Keep in mind people, if you really do believe that i am a Detective..
Ace is trying his best to discredit what im saying, contradicting myself
Dont fall into this, keep true to what you really think is the truth


bolding random words, is AWESOME
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 03 2008 23:55 GMT
#737
By the way when does the Night results come out?
This is going to be so important ._. Folca I believe in you.
Don't disappoint me!
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-03 23:59:43
November 03 2008 23:59 GMT
#738
On November 04 2008 08:52 Folca wrote:
Keep in mind people, if you really do believe that i am a Detective..
Ace is trying his best to discredit what im saying, contradicting myself
Dont fall into this, keep true to what you really think is the truth

Keep in mind Folca that no one knows for sure that you are a detective so I don't see why anyone should believe you ENTIRELY. It is just as possible that YOU are MAFIA and want an important member of the TOWN dead, seeing as he is very useful even if he is GREEN, but if he is BLUE then you doubled your profits.

AM I CLEARER NOW?
Peace~
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 04 2008 00:01 GMT
#739
On November 04 2008 08:59 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2008 08:52 Folca wrote:
Keep in mind people, if you really do believe that i am a Detective..
Ace is trying his best to discredit what im saying, contradicting myself
Dont fall into this, keep true to what you really think is the truth

Keep in mind Folca that no one knows for sure that you are a detective so I don't see why anyone should believe you ENTIRELY. It is just as possible that YOU are MAFIA and want an important member of the TOWN dead, seeing as he is very useful even if he is GREEN, but if he is BLUE then you doubled your profits.

AM I CLEARER NOW?


That's the thing that I'm worried about. A mafia member sacrifice is very well worth it for someone like Ace dead. But I hope that this isn't a trick.
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
November 04 2008 00:04 GMT
#740
On November 04 2008 09:01 clazziquai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2008 08:59 fanatacist wrote:
On November 04 2008 08:52 Folca wrote:
Keep in mind people, if you really do believe that i am a Detective..
Ace is trying his best to discredit what im saying, contradicting myself
Dont fall into this, keep true to what you really think is the truth

Keep in mind Folca that no one knows for sure that you are a detective so I don't see why anyone should believe you ENTIRELY. It is just as possible that YOU are MAFIA and want an important member of the TOWN dead, seeing as he is very useful even if he is GREEN, but if he is BLUE then you doubled your profits.

AM I CLEARER NOW?


That's the thing that I'm worried about. A mafia member sacrifice is very well worth it for someone like Ace dead. But I hope that this isn't a trick.

I think that is what is on everyone's mind right now, I was just making it a point to Folca that he is not gaining anyone's confidence by making desperate emphasized posts, in fact he makes me doubt my vote for Ace even more... I really don't want to switch again but I might.
Peace~
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