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On March 14 2008 06:07 Fishball wrote: That is what Tracil did also. One of the players suggested using different Blog pages for each day/night instead. That's one of the things that I really really liked about Tracil's version. It seems like it'd be so much easier to find specific posts if the days and nights were broken up into different threads rather than having to sort through 200+ pages of posts. In a way the days and nights were broken up by having the day/night posts linked on the first page, but still...having that many pages seems like a pretty daunting task when looking for specific posts. Mynock has a pretty good point, however if someone's unwilling to lurk through a couple of threads, it seems doubtful that he'd be that much more willing to look through one huge ass thread. | ||
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On March 14 2008 09:55 Dapperdan wrote: "3. New rule, you must vote. Whether its 'I abstain from voting' or not you must cast a vote" With the creation of this new rule, I would seriously consider creating a new thread where all votes are cast. In this new thread, people would simply post like this: No other posting would be allowed in the topic. It would serve as an easier way to count votes, and as a reduction on all the spammy posts that include just voting which people would make -- letting people read through the topic easier, and significantly cutting down on the pages in the topic. Vote counts could be posted in either or both topics. What do you guys think? (I would certainly love this... it'd be so much easier for me to follow) That actually seems like a really good idea. It would also benefit town because it'd make it a lot easier to check up on somebody's voting record. | ||
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On March 14 2008 22:03 BWdero wrote: Just make sure you're active >.>Yes a new mafia game, and i'm in this time! This is gonna do wonders for my post count. ![]() Edit: and reading all of the new posts...how the hell are you guys accusing people of being mafia now? With the people who have already declared their candidacy, yes there's a good chance all of them will be chosen as mafia, but there's just as good a chance that all will be townies...It's all luck at this point, no matter how shady someone might be acting. Obviously the mafia would like one of their own as mayor, but if you take the fact that mafia still kicked our ass last game and the fact that even Chuiu himself (I"m pretty sure it was Chuiu, could've been Dapperdan) said that in all his games he's never seen a mafia mayor. Then you can see that's it's stupid to start listing people who could be mafia, especially before the game starts, just because they're running for mayor. | ||
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On March 15 2008 00:25 nemY wrote: Guys... lynch this mofo. He makes too much sense!!! ![]() ![]() Edit: Also just a random thought, wouldn't it technically be advantageous for mafia to not even try to run for mayor? I mean it seems like everyone here assumes that at least one person who runs for mayor HAS to be mafia. So if the mafia don't even bother to put a candidate up, then later in the game all those towny candidates will essentially end up being scapegoats for the lynchings. All I'm trying to say basically, is when we start lynching people...please come up with a better reasoning than "Well he ran for mayor and at least one of the candidates has to be mafia", because anyways...mayor seems to be useless to mafia. Besides the first lynching (which a towny mayor will probably get wrong anyways) the only powers the mayor has is his extra votes, which are pretty much useless if the town is even half decent (and if town sucks...then they REALLY don't need a mayor). As for the double lynching...well a mafia mayor would have to use his double lynchings in respect to the town's wishes anyways or risk being suspected as mafia. So in reality it seems that the wild goose chase that would ensue from not running for mafia would be more beneficial to them than the mayor or pardoner position would. I say the pardoner position is useless to mafia because then if he decides to pardon a fellow mafia without giving good reason then that guy will probably just be taken out by a vigilante at night. Afterwards the pardoner would be lynched by day giving the town two guaranteed mafia kills. | ||
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On March 15 2008 03:07 Dapperdan wrote: If that was directed at me, I know Wow, all of those rants were comletely unnecessary and useless. ;b ![]() Also I realize that mayor isn't completely useless to mafia and does give them a large advantage. What I'm trying to say is that it doesn't warrant such a large advantage that it's absolutely guaranteed that one of the candidates has to be mafia. | ||
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Also as for the voting system. If we do the separate blogs for voting we can make it so that every post made in their is required to be a vote, but you can still post your reasons in your post. For example... On March 18 2008 8:32 SomeRandomExample wrote: If anyone cares my reason for voting this way is because blah blah blah. I vote SomeExampleRandom or On March 18 2008 8:32 SomeRandomExample wrote: for my reasoning just look at my post on this link http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=12#223 I vote SomeExampleRandom It might be a nuisance having to look through all those links but it's still (imo) easier to keep track of votes and things like vote changes than looking through a huge thread to check peoples voting records. Especially considering that the way the votes are broken up will be like 1-3 actual votes for every 15 posts by some group of people arguing. | ||
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(from Chuiu's blog) On March 18 2008 12:58 Chuiu wrote: Closed! Sorry to anyone who didn't get in. You can always message me to get into the advanced wait list (before other people on the wait list) to get into the game if other players are inactive. Hopefully I'll have day started in the next two hours. I can't wait ^__________________________^ | ||
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On March 18 2008 15:44 CDRdude wrote: hey hey! no need to rush things, your hastiness seems pretty mafia-ish to me right now...Canidates, make your speeches. | ||
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Chuiu and DapperDan were betrayed by their own comrades, and now their lives hanged on the balance. "We don't like the way you're running things, and its time for change, either you submit and follow my leadership or you get to taste lead for dinner". Sidewinder stumbled forward trying to stop the inevitable. He jumped through the opening towards the door and was almost home free when he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed. He met him face to face halfway pushed King Brown Snake out of the way as he proceeded to the door again. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. "Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" Alright, I'm too sleepy to look through all 130 profiles, but these are the lines in the post that caught my eye the most. The bolded parts are things that I'm kinda thinking could be clues, and bolded+italicized are things that I'm pretty certain relate to someone. So if anyone has any free time (randombum, that means you) these lines could lead somewhere. | ||
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On March 18 2008 16:09 SonuvBob wrote: Works for me.My platform: Being less of a douche than Steve was. Too bad I already voted randombum though. (what? he sent me a PM personally and put that picture I made in his profile ^_^) | ||
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On March 18 2008 16:10 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: ehhh...not really. How would we know if the detective we're asking is really a detective? I mean noone's going to come clean about their roles this early in the game in fear of being killed by the mafia.Right, we can just ask a detective if the mayor is a mafia or not. This game just got easier Edit: However it would be in the mayor's best interest to follow the voice of the townies for the first few days, so a mafia mayor wouldn't be completely terrible. Edit2: Just read Ghar's post, makes sense now...actually he seems like a pretty cool guy, eh has a plan and doesn't afraid of anything. I might change my vote to him later. | ||
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a)it's easier to keep track of everything b)people who are too lazy to look through all the pages have a resource for all the important things they need to know, so it's not as overwhelming. Anyways, now that I've gotten that out of the way I'm also gonna join in on voting for Ace, since while any mayor should incorporate this plan. The fact that Ace brought it up shows experience, intelligence, and township (I mean it's doubtful a mafia would bring up a plan like this). | ||
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On March 19 2008 03:35 aZnvaLiaNce wrote: You're still allowed to change your vote.I just woke up to find the mayor race pretty tight right now. Empy, Ace, Sonuvbob, and Ghar in the lead? Nice But, seriously, Ace should be highly considered for the mayor position. I don't think many have complained about his logic yet and he doesn't seem to have any motives to sabotage the town. I'd like to vote for him but my vote already went to a god already ![]() I'm proud of you, Ace. Proud of you, boy. | ||
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On March 19 2008 03:41 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Hopefully if enough people PM what they think are important posts my blog will be able to summarize all the important aspects of the game so far.Can someone summarize the last 29 pages for me? /shameless selfpromotion. Seriously though, what I can remember off the top of my head, Ace and Ghar are in the lead for mafia. avaar (I probably misspelled it) is also kind of in the lead due to him using some linux script to simplify a list of everyone's sigs/birthdays/etc into one post. Empyrean told everyone he's a detective and people are suspicious of him. A clue in the day post in which Chuiu was surrounded relates to Ghar's sig maybe. | ||
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On March 19 2008 03:54 zeks wrote: To be honest the pardoner seems like a useless position for a towny until maybe really really late in the game. The only good thing that comes from granting someone Pardoner status is the bodyguard protection, so we don't really need a pardoner who works well with the mayor. We just need to put a towny that we want to keep protected.Isn't it more advantageous to have both the mayor and pardoner on the same "line"? Should we consider that when voting...like making a sure a pair of mayor-pardoner that can work together well? | ||
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On March 19 2008 05:09 Lenwe wrote: Only the mayor knows who the body guards are, even the bodyguards themselves don't know. So if a bodyguard doesn't get a message...he'll just assume that he's not a bodyguard.If there are 7 bodyguards and one doesn't get the message he will know something fishy is going on. | ||
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On March 19 2008 05:59 fusionsdf wrote: pffft. where have you been? Liquidia was over run by the mob a long time ago, this is Liquid City.This is our land. A land of peace and of plenty. A land of harmony and hope. This is our land. Liquidia. These are our people. The workers, the strivers, the builders. These are our people. The builders of our world, struggling, fighting, bleeding, dying. On the streets of our cities and on the far-flung battlefields. Fighting against the mutilation of our hopes and dreams. Who are they? | ||
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no, it's either one of the roles in Tracil's game, or one of the roles Chuiu was planning to use, but scrapped. This version has no SC influence so Dark Templar isn't in it. Unless he means vigilante which I believe is what the DT essentially is. | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:26 clazziquai wrote: Just read my blog! It's not very complete right now, but it should catch you up on the basics.Alright guys, just got home, got my role, and reading the 30 pages...-0- gonna be long /more shameless self promotion. | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:44 Wysp wrote: I can't find the post right now, but a quick summary is...http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=So no fek Enigma ran his hand through his hair and said "So we're going to gut this town clean and take it over, eh? No more of this bullshit protection, thats grand!" I looked at every profile picture, and his hair is the only hair that stands out. Not to mention he looks he looks 'enigmatic.' Nothing concrete, of course. Also, where can one learn what Dr.Dragoon did? In the last game, Shallow[bay] in MSpaint doctored up a screenshot of Dr.Dragoon PM'ing him something like "hey, I just heard someone say you're mafia. I'm mafia too! Who should we kill first?" Dr.Dragoons responce to this was "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo" so everyone thought it was real and voted to lynch Dr.Dragoon, who continued to defend himself/insult everyone else. Turns out Dragoon was innocent and Shallow was mafia. | ||
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On March 19 2008 08:40 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Why would he need you to reply to him to doctor it? It's not that hard to take any regular PM and switch the names/date/time/message/etc.I refuse to respond to PMs such as the one Artanis sent me, as I just KNOW he's going to doctor my response and post it. but I'm sure you know that already ![]() | ||
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On March 19 2008 08:41 HeRoS)Pink wrote: To be perfectly honest Ghar's move makes sense to me. I mean I'd assume most people running for mayor are running because they truly believe they could do a good job for the town. So if you're losing it'd make sense to endorse a more popular candidate who has similar ideas as you.Well even if empyrean is telling a lie he's more clean than Ace (for me), Ace was defending Ghar's point of view (another candidate) + Ghar have clues against him, and the mafia has probably sent 2 candidates for the mayor's position and that could be the reason why Ghar was ready to give up his votes to Ace Why would he do that if he really wants to be the mayor? Cuz they both think alike? I dont think so, they had almost the same plan which is another coincidence. So Don't start voting for Ace because he's accusing Empyrean of being too much unsafe for the town. -Pink | ||
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also so this post isn't a total waste. Here's the latest voting tallies. Mayor Elections Tally as of March 19 09:00 (TL/Korean time) Ace - (20) + Show Spoiler + Queasy,ahrara,Lenwe,MasterOfChaos,Fishball,Artanis[Xp],CDRdude,Joxxor,Ghar, spoinka,Hittegods,Hollander,Naib,useless,GeneralStan,Shadowdrgn,Falcynn,zeks, Mynock,Caller Empyrean - (18) + Show Spoiler + Heros)Pink,LucasWoJ,shallow[bay],LoStYouRSkiLLS,KH1031,LastRomantic,ImDerek, Meta,Eti307,Showtime,MTF,BloodyC0bbler,RST)Nightmare,NatsuTerran,Solosteer, JimTudor,nemy,decafchicken randombum - (10) + Show Spoiler + Lysithea,Drdragoon,Alethios,G.S)Naruto,Sadir,fanatacist,Bockit,GranDim,Ninja4ever, so no fek Ghar - (7) + Show Spoiler + TranceStorm,Ace,Pangolin,Mandalor,Amber[Light],rpf,Ziel araav - (8) + Show Spoiler + AcrossFiveJulys,SonuvBob,RowdierBob,Klive5ive,xdark,Neax,Energies,qsr Sonuvbob - (4) + Show Spoiler + Chezinu,LTT.wurm,bumatlarge fusionsdf - (3) + Show Spoiler + ~OpZ~ ,plexa,ZBIR plexa - (2) + Show Spoiler + ssj100,Seifu LastRomantic - (1) + Show Spoiler + aznvaliance | ||
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On March 19 2008 09:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: As I had said earlier, once one bodyguard dies, the other bodyguards would find out that the one that died isn't in their list and would obviously protest. Mayor gets lynched and people get the list of a large portion of the mafia, plus the mayor. I have to agree. In the long run this "hole" would actually benefit the town alot more than it would benefit mafia. | ||
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Edit: OH I KNOW! If a detective is forced to sacrifice himself I'll have a memorial "plaque" on my blog to commemorate their selflessness, and maybe someone can whip up a cool picture for them ^_^ | ||
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This does mean that the Pardoner is an easy kill, but hoping that we communicate and work together well as a town, we (again, hopefully) won't be in dire need of him. | ||
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On March 19 2008 10:14 wurm wrote: OH YEAH! Everyone loves the Falcynn!omg, 10 pages of bickering. I quit halfway through. Thank god for Falcynn's blog. | ||
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On March 19 2008 10:30 Kau wrote: I'd assume so. Basically we just lynch everybody that claims to be detective. So hopefully one detective will find the will to claim that the mayor is mafia and after that the rest of the detectives should not say anything, because everyone else will get lynched as well.We would only have to lose one detective. Ace said that if the detectives find the mayor is innocent, then they say nothing. If the mayor is mafia, then the detectives speak out. Now in the case the detectives speak out, we would first have to lynch the detective to see if he's an actual detective or mafia. If he's actual detective then we know the mayor is mafia. If he's mafia then we know the mayor is townie. Hmm... Actually, what happens in the case the mayor is mafia, and a mafia-detective points him out along with real detective. Would we have to lynch both to be sure? | ||
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On March 19 2008 10:34 goldenkrnboi wrote: Then when he pardons someone a vigilante takes that person out the next night. If the person who got pardoned is mafia, then we lynch the pardoner next day.what if the pardoner is mafia? ![]() | ||
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On March 19 2008 13:41 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: eh? I don't recall Tracil using <-> that many times in his posts...it would be annoying though.<-> <-> <-> wow it annoys me to type that, let alone read it. | ||
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On March 20 2008 01:13 Ziel wrote: WOW. This is a big flaw in the DT plan -_- And I dont see any way we can go around it if we have a mafia major. We need to seriously rethink what the mayor's backup plans are gonna be in his first 100 days in office! I'm starting to have suspicions with Ace, because despite his sound arguments right up to this post, he's persistent in that this flaw isn't even there (if Im correct from what I've read of his posts) :O And to the person that suggested the idea that we a detective should come up, WHO would the brave soul be? And we have no way of verifying it's true! (Unless more detectives come up..but that would be plain stupid). Though it seems its the most solid plan we have now, having to lose even one DT for this plan...The worst case scenario is that the mafias have taught out a real good plan to mess this up and we're not seeing it...Bah I dont even know if Im making much sense now...better reread some posts again. We've gone over this a bunch of times already. A detective will check out the mayor, if he's mafia then the detective will post his findings. After that we lynch the detective, if he turns blue then we lynch the mayor (we lynch the detective to deter mafiosos from spreading false rumors and declaring themselves detective). Edit: and dinmsab, you have to post your votes in Chuiu's blog, not here. | ||
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However we're pretty much forced to check if the mayor is mafia, because if we don't then he can seriously fuck up the townies through persuasion. So if we get a mafia mayor we're pretty much fucked and everything we do beyond that point is just damage control. | ||
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On March 20 2008 02:45 HotZhot wrote: Well judging from the votes, about 95 people have cast in their votes which equates to roughly 75%. So even if they're not posting, at least 75% of the people playing are at least reading the thread. It's not great, but it's much better than last game at least.Still many people inactive, I hope the important roles are all playing actively | ||
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On March 20 2008 05:09 Lenwe wrote: Noone's trying to get anyone lynched at this point. The only reason people are trying to figure out if Empyrean is mafia or not is because he's running for mayor and obviously a mafia mayor would be bad (and they're not even trying to be certain about his affiliation, only his likeliness of being mafia). All the other people interpreting clues aren't doing it because they're trying to get those people lynched, they're just getting some sleuthing started so that when more clues come in we can cross reference them with what we've already gathered. No harm in that.About that, I seriously don't see the reason why they would cheat in this game, so I vote we don't remove either of them from the game. And stop accusing people of being mafia, we can't tell so far who is and who isn't. The only reasons to do it now is to cause more confusion amongst the town members and that is something town members should not try to do. | ||
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On March 20 2008 05:27 BlindAlbino wrote: Then that person would be a greedy asshole and everyone will continue to insult him throughout the rest of the game, and through the rest of the next game if he plays there.yea but what makes you think they will call you out as mafia if they know that will happen? what if the detective knows you are mafia but just stays silent for his own greed? that is what im getting at. Plus, if they sacrifice themselves I'll photoshop a memorial plaque for them or something. ![]() | ||
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On March 20 2008 07:57 Lenwe wrote: Yeah, that seems like a pretty good starting point to me.By that reasoning everyone that voted for someone without giving a reason is suspicious. | ||
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http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=40#786 or any variation of that, then it's been discussed already and so far it's agreed that there is no flaw. | ||
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Also, being absolutely sure that our mayor isn't mafia is way more important imo than essentially wasting 3 role checks that wouldn't have needed to be used. So I encourage all detectives to use their role check if possible. | ||
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On March 20 2008 09:04 Caller wrote: The detective's supposed to investigate the mayor (if I understand correctly) and the detective will announce if they find the mayor to be mafia. At which point we lynch the detective first. If he turns blue, then we go after the mayor next.I have a concern with Ace's plan: suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard. that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade. A detective for a mafia sounds like a bad trade, but it's the best we can get if it turns out we voted a mafia in. | ||
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On March 20 2008 10:39 fusionsdf wrote: On the off chance that it isn't obvious enough. They'll probably sacrifice their suicide bomber to take out Empyrean+a couple of medics. Assuming that Empyrean really is a detective.any smart mafia will role claim towny also: Paramedics: Dont protect Empyrean. The reason should be obvious. | ||
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On March 20 2008 12:20 randombum wrote: suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuureNot me of course right? You mean a random townie, not the guy with random in his name correct? | ||
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On March 20 2008 13:08 Ace wrote: Yay! Rejoice!I just walked in the house guys, give me a sec | ||
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On March 20 2008 13:49 Showtime! wrote: I'm just gonna point out that's really suspicious. As has already been noted, it's doubtful that you have some inside information due to a role you might have seeing how noone's been able to use their roles yet, so the fact that you're witholding information shows that you have something to hide I'm not announcing it public. The fact of the matter is you could have killed 3 for the price of one if incontrol was even playing. We need another mad hatter. >.> <.< Edit: Saying that the mafia is posting privately is a crappy excuse. The mafia posts privately because it helps keep their identities unknown. Townies rely purely on discussion and information...which you seem to be withholding. | ||
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A) Mafia B) Really doesn't know anything, but wants people to believe he's clever. C) Really really stubborn. | ||
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On March 20 2008 14:05 qrs wrote: Agreed, put into context all of his ramblings make sense now.I think we have the explanation, guys. Nothing more to talk about. | ||
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On March 20 2008 14:39 aZnvaLiaNce wrote: Beer doesn't actually have a high enough alcohol content to light someone on fire, but I get what you're getting at.Or how about this? You smash a couple bottles of beer on yourself and I toss you a lit match. I think that's a much more sound solution. | ||
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On March 20 2008 15:00 rpf wrote: They mean they're planning on lynching someone who votes (so they don't get kicked from the game) but doesn't contribute anything discussion wise into this thread.What do you guys mean when you say you're going to "lynch a lurker"? I didn't play last round so I'm a little lost. T_T | ||
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On March 20 2008 15:17 rpf wrote: Then look at my blog!!!I haven't played before, and I'm sure as fuck not reading 72 pages of this thread to figure it out. ![]() /more shameless self promotion | ||
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On March 21 2008 00:39 Lysithea wrote: Yeah, Araav did it. It should be in my blog, the first link in the "Lists" section.Oh I forgot to ask, have someone googled/wikied about persons profiles etc and compiled it in a neat file or something? Just wondering cause I know I'll be too lazy to do it but it would become very handy later on. On second thought, if someone has, they're probably waiting for Ace to be cleared towny to then funnel the information through him to avoid being killed. For now, nevermind me. | ||
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Edit: fixed broken links Sonuvbob's list of people he thinks are mafia+his reasoning http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=57#1132 Shallow[bay]'s list of all the people that the code names can relate to http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=31#602 Reason people think Ghar could be mafia. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=20#391 IMO some pretty good interpretations by xDark.Carnivalx http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=23#456 More interpretations of what the code names could mean by Meta. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=20#392 Clues from ShadowDrgn, these deal more with the dialog/action of the day post rather than the code names. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=48#958 Sureshot posting some of his thoughts in a blog http://teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=68254 | ||
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araav? You got any special program that might be able to do that? ^_^ | ||
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On March 21 2008 03:49 Ace wrote: I have to agree. Even though it's doubtful that the mafia could screw up something so simple, there's still the small chance they'll screw up and we'll be able to weed them out. A small chance of catching mafia is better than no chance.this idea makes no sense. No PM also means Mafia members just never have to worry about contacting me, and then they also know that not every townie has PM'd me so it's easier for them to just lay low and not get caught lying. If everyone has to PM me, eventually I'll catch some role clashes and some lies. | ||
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On March 21 2008 04:15 Lysithea wrote: That is possible, but considering the amount of risk in trying to guess a role that happens to be inactive is too great it seems doubtful that they'd try it. That assumes no inactivees tho doesnt it? Say for example that mafia takes a chance on a blue role that happens to be inactive, before the 3day rule sets in they could've gotten alot of information. Also, that all people actually pm you... which I doubt will happen just because of lack of interest following this thread thoroughly. The only sure way to have the secure group... secure... is to systematically confirm their roles through various means... no? Or am I totally misunderstanding something here? Then again the amount of information they could get by getting into this network is probably worth more than one mafia's life so...ok I'm not really sure how to feel about this right now. | ||
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On March 21 2008 06:33 French_Toast wrote: errrr...actually the reason most people don't lose to that is because if you can see it coming (and usually from the first move you can) it's pretty easy to stop. (unless you're thinking of something else)I saw perfectly what happened. However this time people are no longer n00bs and are really into it. If you read some of the posts, some people claimed to have spreadsheets of people's names, sigs, possible themes, who they accuse, and who they voted for. The town doesn't need a cheap-ass strategy like this one. This game is supposed to be about fun, not just winning. Same thing with chess, there is a strategy called fools-mate that allows you to win in like three turns. However, most people would rather play an actual game then to fool their opponent into losing so quickly. The reason? It's a game, it's supposed to be fun and challenging. Anyways, it kinda sounds like someone's just sore that mafia is gonna lose ...hmmm? ![]() Also if we were doing anything illegal I'm sure Chuiu would've just stopped us, and it's not like this strategy is insta-win (far from it). If mafia is even slightly clever they'll be able to get around this. | ||
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On March 21 2008 07:18 decafchicken wrote: Whether or not that's his plan, it seems to be working =DI bet ace's plan is actually just annoy the mafia members into an outrage at how easy he makes it look for the town, giving themselves away. | ||
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On March 21 2008 07:26 French_Toast wrote: That's a horrible example. We're playing this game perfectly within the boundaries of the rules, for your analogy to make any sense we would've had to do something drastic like hacking into everyone's accounts and checking their PM's.Okay, first of all thanks for insulting me directly, now I have an excuse to put you down. Secondly, are you the type of n00b that when he gets a great game and plays it, he types in cheat codes automatically? Do you really like to replace skill with exploits? If so then games in general are not for you, especially StarCraft. Why do you think developers balance games out? StarCraft went through so many patches for that single purpose, that is why it's so competitive. And no, I don't want to lose, but I don't want to play unfair either! And if you were talking about cheesing for StarCraft, those aren't really exploits, they are valid strategies that can be countered. If you want to talk about SC examples. We're 4pooling you mafia guys, and you're complaining about how we're ruining the game because of a "cheap" strategy that you can't get around (it's not that hard). Edit: and obviously we're going to keep looking out for clues, but since there are like 130 guys, there are going to be times where clues point to more than one guy. So we need other tactics to narrow down the choices. | ||
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On March 21 2008 07:43 French_Toast wrote: I'm sure you guys will come up with something to counter this Of course you are playing by the rules, you just chose to go the wrong way to go about it. You are not hacking, or cheating, a better way to describe it would be glitching. Look, let's say everyone responds truthfully except for the Mafia. Unless the Mafia are stupid they will all claim to be townies. Now, what you have is, all special roles are safe and medics can be assigned via PM. Also you have 31 innocents and you know everyone's special role. So, then you could also coordinate attacks with vigilantes, investigations with detectives, and other stuff. HOW CHEAP IS THAT? You are pretty much assembling an organized army and reducing possible suspects by 31! This game is set for you! Unless the mafia are super awesome you are pretty much 4 pooling them. ![]() | ||
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However despite that, this plan isn't 100% fool proof like you seem to be trying to make it out to be. | ||
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On March 21 2008 08:15 French_Toast wrote: TBH mafia is originally supposed to be played without any clues and you usually win using strategies like what we're using (ok...not really like them, but close enough). Clues are only used for large internet games where it's hard to personally get to know people and understand their character.I think I already addressed this, whatever I'll say it again. In the previous posts I made, one of my arguments was that it would make the game less fun. Mafia is supposed to be about digging up clues and dirt on people, convincing your theory is right to other people, and having fun in general. These kind of games can become epic and fun to read, but if you use a cheap win you will lose all of that. | ||
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On March 21 2008 11:20 Lysithea wrote: That wouldn't work, because the detective's still gonna check him out.That's assuming mafia can't roleblock eachother.. can they? Nothing in the OP says they can't roleblock other mafias. Would be nice if Chuiu could answer this otherwise the grand plan could've been to roleblock ace for "proof" and therefore get a shitload of info on blues. Theorycrafting again, I'm pretty sure ace is legit myself, just getting my thoughts out there. I'd wait ~½-1day more before I'd completely trust him. | ||
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On March 22 2008 00:36 BlindAlbino wrote: The next time you have a question like this, you'd probably be better off PM'ing Chuiu. Because now, if you're not mafia, the mafia are going to probably guess you're a veteran.I was wonder, if mafia try hit me and i am "veteran" what happen? i dont understand | ||
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On March 22 2008 00:53 Showtime! wrote: I already figured that hence why I said "if you're not mafia..."Or perhaps he is mafia trying to pose as one. Misdirection leads to direction. | ||
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I asked Chuiu and he says if I die I can continue updating my blog as long as I keep it unbiased. So if you guys put a hit on me because of that, too bad. Even if you succeeded you wouldn't stop me ![]() ![]() Edit: still got 6 pages to read. | ||
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On March 22 2008 15:22 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Yeah, I'm sleepy and not thinking straight, and coming home to see all of this just kind of got me overexcited. I know I'm going to regret that post. Anyways, the mafia should already know that I was protected due to the fact that I'm not dead.well, now we know one person who was targeted that didn't die. this wasn't a very smart post of you to make IMO... it really seems out of character for you. it also seems to follow the trend that the mafia seem to be targeting active, thoughtful posters. although neax and goldenkrnboi are exceptions, perhaps they were killed to throw us off? i'm going to bed... will catch up on clues with you guys tomorrow. | ||
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On March 23 2008 01:28 ZBiR wrote: Yeah, it'd seem more plausible for the clue to be related to signatures than mood, because some people change their mood icons all the time. Also I guess I could just be defending it since I've had the same mood icon for the last 2~ years.yeah, you are ![]() And really, I don't think the mood icon could mean anything, it's much more probable that it links to quote or abundant smiley use in posts. | ||
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On March 23 2008 02:41 L wrote: Holy...shit. Nice find! Yeah, it's kind of obvious, but some of the clues from last game were blatantly obvious as well.I hope i don't mess up my image linking.. ![]() Now that I think about it. that's kinda blatant. | ||
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http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=20#391 makes me think Ghar should be a good candidate for lynching. The only thing I'm not sure about is why would Ghar try to enact that detective plan, because he would obviously be found out. Unless maybe he was sacrificing himself to rid the town of the mayor and possibly one or two detectives, and the ability to get rid of the bodyguards to get the pardoner. Seems like a pretty damn good motive actually...alright, I'm gonna put my vote for him and change it if something better comes up. | ||
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On March 23 2008 02:56 ZBiR wrote: oh shit, nice find! Could you point where is this post of Ghar located? Cause I read the whole thread, but don't remember that pic. EDIT: nvm, found it http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=17#324 Right there. Edit: awww too late. Oh, and it seems Ghar announced his candidacy before the game started, so in a way he was pretty much forced to continue his campaign no matter what or people would get suspicious. | ||
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On March 23 2008 05:10 SonuvBob wrote: Well we can at least dig up more dirt on people so that Ace might coordinate the vigilantes to kill them tonight if we find any really strong leads.We can't double lynch, Ace is roleblocked. =/ | ||
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On March 23 2008 07:02 SonuvBob wrote: Just a note: we need to kill 3 mafia before their killing power is reduced, so they'll still have (up to) 9 kills again tonight even if we lynch one. Getting the saboteur/suicide bomber early on would be pretty sweet though. Edit: nvm I'm an idiot. or two, I forgot if Chuiu rounds their killing power up or down. If he rounds it down then we might be able to reduce it for tomorrow with a successful vigilante kill. However we might want to save those for later in the game. | ||
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On March 23 2008 12:15 Ace wrote: Wait...I'm confused, does this mean that you want us to retract our votes from Ghar? I'm asking because that second part makes it sound like we're voting correctly, but you're telling us to withdraw...Also, I'm asking everyone that has voted so far to withdraw your votes. I'll be leaving sometime soon, but a Mafia member is getting lynched today for sure unless someone messes up. | ||
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On March 24 2008 04:08 BlindAlbino wrote: Of course you can't trust everyone, this is obvious. However by forcing everyone to PM him he's forcing the mafia to lie, chances are they'll just say they're regular green townies and we're back at square one. Or they might take a risk and role claim as a blue, at which point it'll be slightly easier to snuff them out. The point is there's really no negative aspect to this part of the plan and a small chance it could greatly benefit us.why does ace want us to PM role? you cant just trust everyone this is quite dumb. | ||
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On March 24 2008 05:04 LucasWoJ wrote: haha yeah, this is starting to look like a rare game where the town is actually more organized than the mafia, and they're panicking :DYeah, anyone pointing fingers at Ace is arousing my suspicions of being in the mafia. By not sending in the PMs, you're hurting the entire town. Anyone questioning Ace's trustworthiness should stop. If you haven't been following the thread and decided to read the last few posts, wrong move. Re-read the threat or go to falcyn's blog. Requesting that a detective speak is just plain stupid too...Reread the thread, all of this was covered already. Edit: also could Chuiu tell us if he'd be willing to extend day if we're not ready yet? | ||
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On March 24 2008 05:10 HeRoS)Pink wrote: I'm saying that because last game there was no deadline, chuiu kept day going until it seemed obvious that the town was ready. He only put the 48h cycle because townies were complaining that day took too long. So since he made that change because the town wanted it, maybe he'd be willing to extend it again if the town wants it.That would be stupid to extend since this is a 48h circle, why giving an extra day because the town isnt ready ? rofl. the only valid reason for extending would be : chuiu not able to (holiday) | ||
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On March 24 2008 05:28 HeRoS)Pink wrote: Chuiu said he'd answer detective questions ASAP. Seeing as how Chuiu seems to be online roughly every 5-8 hours, I believe enough time has passed to say that Ace is a towny.Or some answer from the detective, since chuiu might not have answered yet Edit: also if you want to retract your statement, just do like me and put at the bottom of/above your post "Edit: ignore this, useless info" instead of removing your post. Since that seems pretty suspicious. | ||
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I don't believe that Pink is mafia right now, but if he doesn't shut up I'm just gonna keep posting stuff like this. | ||
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On March 24 2008 05:38 HeRoS)Pink wrote: Let me guess...there are only 19 people on your list of people you trust?Well my post was useless thats the resaon I edited @ first since it wasnt related to what he said, I'm trusting nobody except a few (not gonna list them) lol I'll stop hassling you now. | ||
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On March 24 2008 05:46 Ace wrote: Wait...so now all of the DT's have no more role checks? I mean it's nice to have everyone confirmed, and I guess this is probably the best way to do it, but using up their role checks this quickly seems like it may cost us later. However if they/you use their other skills correctly I guess it shouldn't be a problem. Just voicing my concerns.ok guys here's the situation. I'm trying to confirm one of my DTs. So I asked the person to check out another person who's role I obviously already know. All my other DTs passed this test, so the last DT has to do this also. That person hasn't responded so I'm very close to lynching them because I think they can't figure out what it is (obviously because they aren't a DT). | ||
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On March 24 2008 05:49 Chuiu wrote: Ah, thanks for the confirmation. I guess in about 5-6 hours if Ace hasn't told us who to vote then we might just have to listen to ahrara and bandwagon Ghar.I don't know where you people are getting this 'mafia vote on who to kill' crap. Its the same as it was last game and its clearly written in the roles that they decide as a group who to kill. Night comes in about 7 hours. Tons of people were bitching about the game not moving fast enough and begging for 24h days and now you guys want 72 hours? I'm not extending it, if I do that then the 48h thing will mean nothing. But that doesn't mean I won't delay day or night due to personal reasons. | ||
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On March 24 2008 06:57 ZBiR wrote: I'm pretty sure Emp's just making fun of all those guys who seem to question just about everything.You know that there is no such thing as absolute proof in this game? (Well, except bodyguards being green, but that's given to mayor only) | ||
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On March 24 2008 07:05 Scorch wrote: *checks country* oh..Austria? Damn, could've sworn you were Romanian for a second.how often does this question need to be answered? no detective stood up against him after checking his role, so he is 98% innocent. | ||
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#2 is Pink (there's the obvious Mr. Pink, but then his profile picture shows a girl in a pink dress, a pink milkshake, and the girl sitting very very close "face to face" with the boy). #3 is French (no clues against him though). | ||
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On March 24 2008 10:24 BlindAlbino wrote: If anyone's confused, what has happened (or from what I can figure out) is that some people PM'd Ace claiming to be detective. As a test Ace had them all role check a guy whose role he already knew. Out of all the people that claimed to be detective, Mandalor was the ONLY one to get the role check wrong. Also as I've said before, Mandalor was on earlier (and made a post I believe) and he didn't even try to defend his case, meaning that he probably realizes he's been outed and is just gonna take his punishment like a man.what clue has been linked to mandalor? why so many vote? i still think str = mafia | ||
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right there Edit: fine, and I'll link the post where Ace claims Mand got the question wrong -.- ok, here's where Ace tells Mandalor he got the check wrong. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=111#2212 (notice that Manda's post I linked at the beginning of this post comes after Ace's) | ||
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On March 24 2008 10:47 Plexa wrote: Mandalor March 24, 2008 06:41 Thread: TL Mafia 2 [Day 2] Direct Link Well, I had some rl going and chuiu didn't reply within 2 hours of my pm sent. Sorry for that, I wrote you a PM now. Hope this clears things up. if not, gl town! that was his defense ![]() Look at my last post (bottom of the last page(page 116)). | ||
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On March 24 2008 12:10 ~OpZ~ wrote: Pink was right that Chuiu wouldn't extend day, but the hostility that he showed in this and preceding posts seems to question his affiliation."That would be stupid to extend since this is a 48h circle, why giving an extra day because the town isnt ready ? rofl. the only valid reason for extending would be : chuiu not able to (holiday)" I would like to call more attention to this post. It was made by heros)pink Wtf man, wtf. whoa...deja vu. | ||
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On March 24 2008 12:26 qrs wrote: As I've already mentioned, we acknowledge that we were in the wrong. The issue isn't that Pink was telling us we couldn't extend day, the issue is the way he said it which seemed to evoke a hostile/panicked tone.FWIW, I agree with Mr. Pink on this one. 48 hours a day is 48 hours a day--a rule is a rule. Why should the rules be bent to help the town? Some people are treating this like the town is somehow the "good" team that "should" win, but that's ridiculous. (And if you think a post like this is evidence that I'm Mafia, that's ridiculous as well.) Besides, personally, I'd prefer to see the game move along instead of dragging out. | ||
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On March 24 2008 12:28 HeRoS)Pink wrote: lol in forums where they have forum cash, the village idiot's role is to get himself lynched and if he succeeds he makes a predetermined amount of cash. ROFL, i used to play a game like this in real life and there was a role which was the *idiot of the town* his ability was if he's lynched by the town he have another life :D i would need a 2nd life atm :D | ||
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On March 25 2008 00:27 GeneralStan wrote: You do know that detectives are allowed to ask how many people voted for someone right?Out of the 58 people that voted to lynch Mandalor, 10 are Mafia That's a bold assertion. I'm curious how we know so certainly, as we certainly haven't had 58 detective checks. BTW Good job Ace. We're going to win this game. | ||
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On March 25 2008 00:39 LucasWoJ wrote: pffft, of course. Because this time we actually voted for a mayor based on his plans rather than "vote for me or else" :DAnd it gets slightly better too. If the mafia hits any of the guys who voted for mandalor, it becomes easier to find them. Even though I'd prefer to lose minimal townies, if that doesn't happen, we'll still be able to benefit in some way. The mayor is much better this game than last game. ![]() | ||
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On March 25 2008 00:51 GeneralStan wrote: For the most part nothing has changed between last game and this game. The only main differences are that mafia have special roles, and we have a good mayor.No That's an imba abilility Mafia watch out! We've got you in our crosshairs ^^. This is so different than the last game. I feel like the town has competent leadership, a plan, and that this time the mafia is on the run. | ||
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On March 25 2008 10:31 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: I think that's something he should PM to Ace instead of posting it publicly how can mafia quickly dispatch 6 bodyguards please? ![]() | ||
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On March 27 2008 13:47 xDark.Carnivalx wrote: yay!figured i'd re-quote this so i can get a yay or nay on it(and if someone else is already doing it) | ||
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On March 27 2008 14:14 randombum wrote: Just wondering...if you're going to pardon him, what's the point of double lynching?I got it ace. You double lynch I'll pardon ghar. Chuiu never changed OP to say how many we had. We have X number, and we all know X means unlimited. So do it!! | ||
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Well ok...it's pretty doubtful that someone would be a big enough douche to hack into a private chat room, but still... | ||
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On March 28 2008 12:55 bumatlarge wrote: Apparently he hacked into a private chat room that Ace had set up for people he had cleared 100% as being a blue townie.what exactly happened with araav that could drastically change the game? | ||
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On March 28 2008 22:58 NatsuTerran wrote: It's part of Ace's plan. 9 people voted for Mandalor last game, so now he's splitting up the people who for Mandalor to vote for either wurm or bumatlarge (was originally ghar though). Then he'll have detectives check those lists, and continue narrowing down the list until we have 9 guaranteed mafia.What is up with people voting for both wurm and ghar in the vote blog? The lists are getting so screwed up. | ||
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On March 30 2008 04:40 Kau wrote: Well the campaign picture wasn't his fault, and while wurm wasn't following orders I still don't think we should've lynched him. He claims that he protected me on night 1 and another medic also sent me a PM. The PM Chuiu sent me said that 2 medics protected me so the PM's I got from the two supposed medics all checked out. So unless Ace got a PM from another medic who claimed they saved me instead of wurm and the other guy, I see no reason to really put wurm as a prime suspect.This wouldn't have happened if wurm followed the plan and Ghar didn't draw his campaign picture haha. Of course I'm only saying that now after the revelation that Ace was wrong, still though, wurm hasn't given any cause for people to suspect him except that he didn't follow orders. And while people who don't follow orders can hinder our victory, we should wait 'til late game to take care of them. | ||
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On March 30 2008 05:03 Meta wrote: Good point, it's kinda doubtful that mafia would try to make a huge scene (well...except shallow from last game, but I'm sure the mafia this round has learned from his example). The people who are acting like douches are probably just bored townies.i say we start throwing down everybody we've had real, physical clues for and stop lynching people who are just annoying. the mafia isn't stupid enough to just be annoying, i'd bet most of them have barely talked all game. so we take people we've had clues for (bumatlarge, grandim), start lynching them, and see what happens. we're not gonna get anywhere like this. | ||
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On March 30 2008 06:48 Ace wrote: aww don't be like that. Like I said, most of us (or at least me) are just pissed off right now at getting this lynch wrong. Don't give up now. Also I haven't been keeping up with the thread as much as I'd like, so if I assumed a few things wrongly then sorry.1.) I also mentioned about 20 pages ago that the towel clue could have referred to wurm. 2.) The DT that was supposed to check the Ghar clue never did, and I wasnt around to make sure he could get pardoned. 3.) It was much more than wurm not cooperating, and I've explained this 1000 times. 4.) I'll probably just lay back and let you guys do as you please, I already know how to win the game but due to constant bitching I think I'll be silent and do things on my own. Have fun. | ||
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![]() oh and Ace, if you're still reading this, please don't give up on the town yet. People are gonna get pissed off when bad things happen, it's something that we all have to put up with, but we're (at least I am) sorry if our criticisms got to you. | ||
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On April 10 2008 11:29 CDRdude wrote: Same, when this game started I was able to lurk through this thread 24/7, however I don't have that much time now and have pretty much dropped out of this game =/Count me out for next game, I'm not doing much good here, and I'm not very active. I'll watch from the sidelines though. | ||
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On April 14 2008 01:16 Ghar wrote: lol? what tournaments were those from?I lynch Tasteless, he is mafia ![]() ![]() | ||
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Even though I died on like Day 4 or w/e I'm proud to be townie ![]() | ||
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