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On March 20 2008 09:33 HeRoS)Pink wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2008 09:30 ahrara_ wrote:Also, why is everyone so confident that Ace and randombum are clean? While Ace's plan is pretty good, that shouldn't guarantee his innocence. We're not, Ace is voted because he has a plan of action that will benefit the town even if he were say mafia. Bum is just voted to kick Emp off because of his irrational approach to being elected. I have a concern with Ace's plan:
suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages
then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard.
that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade. If the mayor is innocent, then he'll straight out deny the fake bodyguards, thus we have free mafia to kill without any wasted effort. This is the 3rd times already that im telling you to learn how to make a proper quote. Stop only quoting what a certain person wrote, Leave His NAME. What do you mean? what I mean is that its useless to quote what someone say if u remove his name, it could be a fake quote just to fuck everyone, i dont mean its what he's doing but it would be better to leave the name in the quote to avoid such thing
Ah sorry. Didn't know that's what you meant. There's so many posts going on, usually I just highlight relevant sections of a post I want to quote. Sorry about the confusion.
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Alot of people suspect me, and alot of clues seem to point to me. That's fine. Getting detectives to cross check each clue with me will take too long and wastes time.
For peace of mind of the masses, I agree to be lynched once Ace has killed all people on his suspect list, and the town is lacking a sure hit.
Reasons for this. I don't want to waste a towny lynch while there are confirmed suspects. But when there's no suspects, it's easier to kill me instead of detective checking a bunch of clues against me.
But for the meantime I'd like to stay alive.
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Of the roles, it seems vet is the hardest to disprove, followed by medic.
I don't know of any way a vet can prove he's a vet unless the town does something stupid like send a vigilante on him. It almost guarantees safety from lynching if they isn't any role clashing.
When there is a clash, you have a list of suspects but it is unfeasible to check.
Medic role claimers, from a mafia perspective, so long as they avoid the names they've been sent to protect, they strengthen the notion that they are legit medics.
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Do you have any alternate solutions then?
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The currently list nets half the Mafia. I believe working with that information is a good idea. Cross analyzing them will reduce the list down substantially.
Working on abstained voters, you can't really work on them can you?
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You can cross reference a fresh sample in the future, this split will also have useful information. Since Ace has surefire mafia targets right now. I'm uncertain about Wurm being a suspect, but if he has another situation like Mandalor, then a bandwagon vote will be best the next day. But that doesn't provide too much data, so splitting the bandwagon is better. When there are no more leads and the votes deviate then cross referencing comes into play.
In addition, any mafia that enters the split bandwagon will alter the mafia count, they can be quickly isolated. Any innocents that enter the bandwagon without altering the mafia count can be crossed off as innocent.
And your approach on the abstained can also be carried out at the same time as Ace's plan. I don't know how useful the information gained from it is though.
On March 26 2008 17:01 Alethios wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2008 16:52 Ghar wrote:
The currently list nets half the Mafia. I believe working with that information is a good idea. Cross analyzing them will reduce the list down substantially.
Working on abstained voters, you can't really work on them can you? On that point: Ace is not suggesting we Cross Reference. His plan involves splitting the list and re-checking numbers. Cross referencing is taking a new sample, and a new number... and seeing how many people are on both lists, how many people suddenly dropped out from voting. How many people aren't on either list and so forth. Working with abstained voters: Chuiu, can detectives check abstain lists?We can ask why they abstained, check the number of times they abstain, look for patterns of inactivity or unwillingness to vote... Suggesting that abstaining voters aren't able to be examined is highly flawed. (Remember inactive non-voters are kicked).
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Hey guys. How many of us post in the MMA and fighting threads? Would that tie up with the good fighter notion?
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On March 28 2008 11:44 Showtime! wrote:
I have a big fucking complaint which might get this game closed.
Our 'programmer' from Armenia decided to take it upon himself to infiltrate a chatroom where many of our key players were located. :. he knows many of our key players and this is just down right wrong. We might have to re-start the bloody game now. This is obviously against the rules. I'm down right pissed. Ban araav please you unethical bastard.
It's understandable that you're upset, but your demand is unreasonable. Chuiu doesn't provide for chatrooms. I also doubt that he would restart the game because of something that wasn't part of his plans.
What he did was wrong, though from a mafia perspective it's espionage. But your demands are unreasonable.
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Mafia had their own chatroom last game. They might in this one as well, someone could retaliate and infiltrate them.
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On March 29 2008 01:52 Showtime! wrote:I have an idea: For extra-motivation I would like to place bets with other regular townies. This is how it works: you place your wager, it can be anything!! i.e. paypal money bet, quote bet, profile bet, etc. Both betters must submit a suspect list of 20 players they believe to be mafia. At the end of the game when all the mafia are revealed, the person with the most correct wins. Fairly simple no? The bet is only valid if the two betters are townies. 
Interesting bet. I'd participate, but I don't have an impression of most people yet. And I fall into the stupid habit of becoming suspicious of people who don't agree with me. I couldn't get my mind around understanding anyone who wouldn't vote for me and Ace. Well, me, fair enough that I had clues pointing at me.
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What was your original intention with the double lynch if the second vote is to vote whatever? More detective data collection? I think it just made things a bit more confusing.
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Yes, but it seems that Chuiu combined the double lynch list together. Thus in effect, nullifying Ace's vote split between suspect 1 and 2 if we are to have them both killed by the end of today. Because people who cast their second vote on the other suspect will have a vote in both suspects.
If he only means to have one person of suspect 1 and 2 killed, then who's the second lynch for?
I might be confused, if I am, my apologies.
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On March 29 2008 03:49 Kau wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2008 03:03 Ghar wrote:
Yes, but it seems that Chuiu combined the double lynch list together. Thus in effect, nullifying Ace's vote split between suspect 1 and 2 if we are to have them both killed by the end of today. Because people who cast their second vote on the other suspect will have a vote in both suspects.
If he only means to have one person of suspect 1 and 2 killed, then who's the second lynch for?
I might be confused, if I am, my apologies. You're suppose to use your second vote on anyone but the original 4 (suspect 1, suspect 2, ace, randombum). I think the goal is to kill both suspects, so the second votes must be spread thinly enough so that this happens.
It makes more sense now that you put it as spreading the second vote out so that suspect #2 will take precedence over the second lynch, but then instructing people to abstain the second vote would be clearer, and less error prone.
I kept thinking of it as 2 separate lynchings, once one lynching is done, the slate is wiped clean for lynching 2, but if Chuiu is combining the vote count, then your solution would be the most consistent with his actions.
Thanks, that clears up alot.
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Yeah, I'm not blaming anyone. Now you guys just realized the mafia hunting, booze guzzling utopia you just missed out on.
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I lynch Tasteless, he is mafia
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I thought I would make a big impact on the game. Turns out I died early and everything's forgotten, but we still won.
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