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On April 11 2008 08:31 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2008 08:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:On April 09 2008 11:09 fusionsdf wrote:
also
Main Entry: bay
Part of Speech: noun 1
Definition: water
Synonyms: anchorage, arm, back harbor, basin, bayou, bight, cove, estuary, fiord, firth, gulf, harbor, inlet, lagoon, loch, mouth, narrows, sound, strait
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Line 15 : [2,8]Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving strait into Mynock.
Line 65 : [4,33]An easy kill, thought Queasy, as he pulled out a knife and stabbed Showtime! strait through the heart. But that wasn't the end of it.
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funny how chuiu keeps making that typo huh?
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Line 99 : [2,50]Yogurt was just getting started as he approached Black Mamba and Eddie.
Quote : We are the Swarm, and we are becoming much, much more...for the final metamorphosis has only. Just. Begun. Art.ShaLLoW
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shallow? hmm.... low? ground?
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Shallow....This is pretty damning in my opinion...I imagine Chuiu knows how to spell straight... Edit: Confirmation on you knowing how to spell straight Chuiu? I still say vote for GeneralStan. Are you kidding me? Queasy is referred to in the clue about "strait to the heart", as he's the one doing it. He's dead and thus it can't refer to me. Yogurt was just getting started? Yogurt was a townie before he died; a Mad Hatter to be precise. Three different people, one a towny, one a confirmed mafioso, both of these two already dead.Yup, damning indeed. EDIT: What's this 12 clue anyways that's causing such a fuss?
So is Mynock's death...Strait is used instead of Straight...And the thing is...Anything said during night could be a clue....
And just because a line referring to Queasy killing someone was used doesn't mean it couldn't be a clue.....
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"Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving strait into Mynock."
He still misspelled the word straight and put strait there...
So either Chuiu doesn't know how to spell straight...OR...He purposely spelled it strait...
Maybe Chuiu can confirm that he can't spell straight correctly...
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One of the resons Im suspecting shallow (among others) is:
List:Mandalor - 37
ShaLLoW[baY]
qrs
clazziquai
ahrara_
Falcynn
ZBiR
unsoundlogic
BWdero
GeneralStan
Scorch
nemY
MidnightGladius
decafchicken
L
suresh0t
randombum
Lysithea
Artanis[Xp]
Ninja4ever.
Naib
SoleSteeler
RtS)Night[Mare
Jimtudor
GranDim
Alethios
0cz3c
Last Romantic
zeks
Unforgiven_ve
Energies
iNfuNdiBuLuM
SoMuchBetter
Camlito
fanatacist
ieatkids5
SonuvBob
Siefu
butidigress
Out of the 37 people that voted to lynch Mandalor, 10 are Mafia
Which means that everyone on that list has a ~27% chance of being mafia
how should we interpret the lines that dont mention mafia members?
and how do we deal with the repeat of unnecessary adjectives, like strait and gauged
obviously they arent bullet proof, but with the patterns we are following right now, we might as well look at everything.
Clues are going to repeat. Therefore, we should look for things that repeat. That has been my method.
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L is the 12th letter
its a stupid clue to follow anyways, cause you might as well just suspect wizard, since he is 12th in the player list.
The reason Im looking at unnecessary words so intensely, is
a) chuiu hasnt confirmed that every word in a sentence containing a mafia member is linked to that mafia member. Obviously, I agree that if it describes mr blonde as tall, then we should link tall to mr blonde. If on the other hand, it says Mr. blonde's victim ran down the alley where he ran into a wall, we shouldnt link running into walls with mr blond.
so how do we know whether running into walls is a clue, or just a story element? We look for it to repeat. If people keep running headfirst into walls over and over again, it becomes fairly obvious that chuiu isnt very imaginative, or that running into walls is a hint. And if that hint isnt always linked to mr blonde, we cant just ignore all the other instances because of an assumption chuiu hasnt confirmed.
2)
Look at Chuiu's wrap up from the first game.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66251¤tpage=155#3091
You'll see that clues are fucking dense. Like every sentence, sometimes twice a sentence.
for example:
The moon was fresh in the sky this eerily cold evening in the town of Liquidia, and the town quiet, not so much as a mouse stirring.(imDerek)
That sentence didnt mention any mafia member, yet it hid a clue.
Look at:
A mafia had been infesting the quiet town for the past decade taking up positions of importance and gaining trust through misguided joy (to miss the mark) and position.(Empyrean)
ONE Mafia is mentioned in this line, but there are TWO clues. This does not agree with the assumption regarding this game, that in a line mentioning a mafia member, all clues correlate to that specific member.
Look at an example:
As the clock came past 3:00am (eti307) they got started with the deeds.
The 3:00 AM was unnecessary. Why was it included? As a way to include a clue. In the same way, we should look at every single sentence for unnecessary words, and every paragraph for unecessary sentences. When they start to repeat, we have a good chance that its a clue.
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On April 11 2008 09:22 fusionsdf wrote:
L is the 12th letter
its a stupid clue to follow anyways, cause you might as well just suspect wizard, since he is 12th in the player list.
If L is mafia how do fuck do you make clues towards him then?
No quote, name mean nothing
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On April 11 2008 08:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2008 11:09 fusionsdf wrote:
also
Main Entry: bay
Part of Speech: noun 1
Definition: water
Synonyms: anchorage, arm, back harbor, basin, bayou, bight, cove, estuary, fiord, firth, gulf, harbor, inlet, lagoon, loch, mouth, narrows, sound, strait
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Line 15 : [2,8]Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving strait into Mynock.
Line 65 : [4,33]An easy kill, thought Queasy, as he pulled out a knife and stabbed Showtime! strait through the heart. But that wasn't the end of it.
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funny how chuiu keeps making that typo huh?
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Line 99 : [2,50]Yogurt was just getting started as he approached Black Mamba and Eddie.
Quote : We are the Swarm, and we are becoming much, much more...for the final metamorphosis has only. Just. Begun. Art.ShaLLoW
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shallow? hmm.... low? ground?
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Shallow....This is pretty damning in my opinion...I imagine Chuiu knows how to spell straight... Edit: Confirmation on you knowing how to spell straight Chuiu? I still say vote for GeneralStan.
I don't know how to spell and have a spell checker installed into everything. Too bad it doesn't check for context.
Strait = Straight in those posts, I'll go back and edit them.
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Also, could a mod or someone else change the thread title.
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On April 11 2008 09:01 fusionsdf wrote:One of the resons Im suspecting shallow (among others) is: Show nested quote +
List:Mandalor - 37
ShaLLoW[baY]
qrs
clazziquai
ahrara_
Falcynn
ZBiR
unsoundlogic
BWdero
GeneralStan
Scorch
nemY
MidnightGladius
decafchicken
L
suresh0t
randombum
Lysithea
Artanis[Xp]
Ninja4ever.
Naib
SoleSteeler
RtS)Night[Mare
Jimtudor
GranDim
Alethios
0cz3c
Last Romantic
zeks
Unforgiven_ve
Energies
iNfuNdiBuLuM
SoMuchBetter
Camlito
fanatacist
ieatkids5
SonuvBob
Siefu
butidigress
Out of the 37 people that voted to lynch Mandalor, 10 are Mafia
Which means that everyone on that list has a ~27% chance of being mafia
Further, since this was a single lynch, we know that these 10 did not vote for anyone else.
In other words there are 10 mafia members who voted for mandalor, and another 10 that didnt vote for mandalor in that lynching.
3 of the ten that didnt vote for mandalor are dead: mandalor, Queasy, d.arkive
That means that of the 17 mafia remaining, 10 are on that list, and only 7 are not
which means a 10/37 of mafia in the list. 27% chance of mafia
and a 7/63 chance of mafia when not on that list 10% chance of mafia
(63 = #of townies (83) + #of Mafia (17) - #of people on the list(37))
If I made an error, please correct.
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I thought Shallow this game is most blatantly NOT mafia. He's acting entirely differently since the last game and his psychological approach to this mafia game seems more suited to help us win.
Fusion, you think it's GeneralStan because of the army clues, right?
It seems convincing, but I think Plexa countered that by saying that the clues are all over the place (and Chuiu isn't setting up clues like that this game).
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On April 11 2008 09:31 Chuiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2008 08:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:On April 09 2008 11:09 fusionsdf wrote:
also
Main Entry: bay
Part of Speech: noun 1
Definition: water
Synonyms: anchorage, arm, back harbor, basin, bayou, bight, cove, estuary, fiord, firth, gulf, harbor, inlet, lagoon, loch, mouth, narrows, sound, strait
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Line 15 : [2,8]Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving strait into Mynock.
Line 65 : [4,33]An easy kill, thought Queasy, as he pulled out a knife and stabbed Showtime! strait through the heart. But that wasn't the end of it.
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funny how chuiu keeps making that typo huh?
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Line 99 : [2,50]Yogurt was just getting started as he approached Black Mamba and Eddie.
Quote : We are the Swarm, and we are becoming much, much more...for the final metamorphosis has only. Just. Begun. Art.ShaLLoW
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shallow? hmm.... low? ground?
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Shallow....This is pretty damning in my opinion...I imagine Chuiu knows how to spell straight... Edit: Confirmation on you knowing how to spell straight Chuiu? I still say vote for GeneralStan. I don't know how to spell and have a spell checker installed into everything. Too bad it doesn't check for context. Strait = Straight in those posts, I'll go back and edit them.
Woohoo, Chuiu proves my innocence!
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If L is mafia how do fuck do you make clues towards him then?
No quote, name mean nothing Posting behavior, blog posts, name, anything's up for grabs.
Additionally, chuiu uses wikipedia for quite a few of his clues, so looking at the history of the letter L in wikipedia shows
The letter L is derived ultimately from the Semitic crook or goad which stood for /l/. This originally may have been based on an Egyptian hieroglyph that was adapted by Semites for alphabetic purposes. The Greek letter Lambda Λ (upper case) or λ (lower case), as well as the equivalent Etruscan and Latin letters, represent the same sound as the Semitic letter. In reference, it is spelled el or ell. Crook, Lambda, excessive el, or ell sounds would all point to me. From Crook you can go to shepards/crime. From lambda you can go to wavelength or something similar.
You could also use when I joined, where i live, etc. We've already been over those, Cottonmouth doesn't connect to me on any ground besides some made up number game.
Again, i'll flat out ask that the jack check me. If you really think i'm mafia, that's cool. I'd just rather not have the town go and lynch another innocent member because you're trying your best to 'spice things up', as you put it.
Edit: Shallow looks innocent now  .
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On April 11 2008 09:29 HeRoS)Pink wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2008 09:22 fusionsdf wrote:
L is the 12th letter
its a stupid clue to follow anyways, cause you might as well just suspect wizard, since he is 12th in the player list. If L is mafia how do fuck do you make clues towards him then? No quote, name mean nothing
depends on whether chuiu is familiar with deathnote or not.
If he is, there are a ton of clues he could use.
Or, he could think of roman numerals and say L = 50
or he could talk about L = lambda and relate it to physics or half life (which he has, since we have physicist clues)
or, if we chose to go even more unlikely and exotic:
Used as a shield pattern by the Spartan army; it stood for Lakedaimon, the name of the region.
It could stand for Left.
it could relate to Big L
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_L
or computers
so we cant just assume which clue chuiu will use. We have to look for clues to repeat, and we have to see which suspect has the widest body of clues pointed against them. That way if we misinterpret one clue, we might still correctly interpret another and get a kill.
If you look at the last mafia game, just blindly following lone long-shot clues led the town nowhere.
I'm not saying L isnt mafia (he is on the mandalor list), but we dont have strong enough evidence, and should only go after him if we have no one with stronger clues linked to them.
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hmm
sorry shallow
the potential clues against you goes down a bit
(but youre still on the mandalor list)
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On April 11 2008 09:46 fusionsdf wrote:
hmm
sorry shallow
the potential clues against you goes down a bit
(but youre still on the mandalor list)
Fair enough, I just don't want to get falsely lynched because of recurring typos. If I'm getting falsely lynched, at least let the "clues" be good :p
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On April 11 2008 09:40 L wrote:Show nested quote +If L is mafia how do fuck do you make clues towards him then?
No quote, name mean nothing Posting behavior, blog posts, name, anything's up for grabs. Additionally, chuiu uses wikipedia for quite a few of his clues, so looking at the history of the letter L in wikipedia shows Show nested quote +The letter L is derived ultimately from the Semitic crook or goad which stood for /l/. This originally may have been based on an Egyptian hieroglyph that was adapted by Semites for alphabetic purposes. The Greek letter Lambda Λ (upper case) or λ (lower case), as well as the equivalent Etruscan and Latin letters, represent the same sound as the Semitic letter. In reference, it is spelled el or ell. Crook, Lambda, excessive el, or ell sounds would all point to me. From Crook you can go to shepards/crime. From lambda you can go to wavelength or something similar. You could also use when I joined, where i live, etc. We've already been over those, Cottonmouth doesn't connect to me on any ground besides some made up number game. Again, i'll flat out ask that the jack check me. If you really think i'm mafia, that's cool. I'd just rather not have the town go and lynch another innocent member because you're trying your best to 'spice things up', as you put it. Edit: Shallow looks innocent now .
By the way just for your information, Plexa asked us (townie) to find something with the number 12 + plexa is 2/2 @ finding mafia atm, I just did what plexa wanted us , feel free to call me retard again I dont really care but its not helping ur case. Im not trying to lynch innocent townie nor trying to spice things up, I dont thing the town can waste another lynch
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Also, I have some basic notes here:
http://massmirror.com/a9d17696f32ee9c48e9f48e04c361419.html
many of these (maybe even most of these) lead nowhere. I havent edited for probability, and this hasnt been updated since the 8th or 9th.
But it does contain summaries.
It contains
Day 1,2,3,4: Formatted clues from all games, includes [day,line] marking for easier reference and searching.
Remaining names: A list of all the players profiles, image descriptions, quotes birth-dates etc. Also contains synonyms for their names, potential words that could link to them etc, for easier searching and clue linking.
Clues Sorted: A listing of repeated adjectives and other words in the dialogues that could be potential clues. As mentioned before, take it with a grain of salt.
Attack Methods: List of all attack methods. If attacking is a clue, it should be used a lot, and therefore would be easy to see in the list. Note that as of now, this is just a listing, I have not derived clues from it.
Char List: List of all lines directly mentioning individual mafia members. Mr. Blue, Mr. Orange etc.
Match: Contains DT lists trimmed of all dead players. Ignore the extra stuff, they were things I was looking at at the very beginning. {The dialogues mention a "white van" [3,44], and MTF's profile has a picture containing a white van, Pink was a tentative link to Mr. Pink}
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After thinking over the evidence, I'm going to vote for suresh0t. I think he's the Wolf. Here are my reasons:
1) We don't know a whole lot about the Wolf, but one thing seems to be clear: he hits his targets (sure shot). Of course the most blatant example of that is: The Wolf interrupted him. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head and he convulsed as he dropped to the ground, dying less then a minute later. That's the only one I would regard as a strong clue, but looking at the other times we've met the Wolf, they check out as well:
The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head.
He met gaze with The Wolf who was carrying some more debris from the building. Caller rolled to his right trying to dodge an attack from The Wolf but wasn't fast enough and took a vicious blow to the chest. He rolled to the side and started searching around for a weapon of his own as he jumped up from the ground. Nothing around, Caller tried dodging the next attack but King Brown Snake was on him again and the blow pierced through his skull. note: King Brown Snake gets in Chuiu's way, but the attack is from the Wolf Neither Chuiu nor Caller can dodge the Wolf's attack. (The other mafia missed plenty, and sometimes the victims survive for a while.) As I said, though, it's the first quote which really stands out. A nail thrown down the hall, killing instantly? I mean, come on, if that's not a sure shot, than nothing is.
2) Someone pointed this out a long time ago: suresh0ts signature, "Please forgive me for questioning divinity, it's an ugly job but I think I'm up for it", fits with "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand." (faux-apologizing for attacking an authority-figure)
3) His posts? Pretty bland. His votes: goes with the bandwagon or abstains. Not proof of anything on its own, but certainly what I would consider consistent with a mafioso trying to lie low.
4) For what it's worth, he's on the Mandalor list.
5) This is the clincher. We've all been wondering about those nails, right? Check out what suresh0t is holding in his profile pic:
That's right. A hammer.
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No one finds it ironic that the suicidebomber killed our last detective?!
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On April 11 2008 10:01 qrs wrote:After thinking over the evidence, I'm going to vote for suresh0t. I think he's the Wolf. Here are my reasons: 1) We don't know a whole lot about the Wolf, but one thing seems to be clear: he hits his targets (sure shot). Of course the most blatant example of that is: Show nested quote +The Wolf interrupted him. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head and he convulsed as he dropped to the ground, dying less then a minute later. That's the only one I would regard as a strong clue, but looking at the other times we've met the Wolf, they check out as well: Show nested quote +The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head. Show nested quote +He met gaze with The Wolf who was carrying some more debris from the building. Caller rolled to his right trying to dodge an attack from The Wolf but wasn't fast enough and took a vicious blow to the chest. He rolled to the side and started searching around for a weapon of his own as he jumped up from the ground. Nothing around, Caller tried dodging the next attack but King Brown Snake was on him again and the blow pierced through his skull. note: King Brown Snake gets in Chuiu's way, but the attack is from the Wolf Neither Chuiu nor Caller can dodge the Wolf's attack. (The other mafia missed plenty, and sometimes the victims survive for a while.) As I said, though, it's the first quote which really stands out. A nail thrown down the hall, killing instantly? I mean, come on, if that's not a sure shot, than nothing is. 2) His posts? Pretty bland. His votes: goes with the bandwagon or abstains. Not proof of anything on its own, but certainly what I would consider consistent with a mafioso trying to lie low. 3) For what it's worth, he's on the Mandalor list. 4) This is the clincher. We've all been wondering about those nails, right? Check out what suresh0t is holding in his profile pic: That's right. A hammer.
Suresh0t is my 3rd suspect, after Siefu and L, all those things were said previously but the town is inactive as hell theres like 2-3 poeple finding clues and then we have out of nowhere (who doesnt post a lot) making post to defend themselves which is weird.
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