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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 18 2008 22:21 GMT
#692
On March 19 2008 07:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
fusion, fusionfusionfusionfusion.
You'll have to try harder than that, son.


You should explain
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-18 22:25:50
March 18 2008 22:25 GMT
#700
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 18 2008 22:28 GMT
#706
On March 19 2008 07:26 bumatlarge wrote:
Well,then lynch me if you want. I'm only a townie and i'm not serving another purpose. My list of townies is correct as far as i can see.

CDRdude
Falcynn
More_Minerals
Aznvaliance
BumAtLarge (subject to change)
SonuvBob
LTT
Plexa
Pangolin
Ahara
xDark.Carnivalx
Chuiu (GASP)

If by the end, we find out that none of these are mafia, I won't say i told you so. Because I'm saying it now.

BTW, Bodyguard plan seems neato!


I'm innocent as well
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 18 2008 23:04 GMT
#735
On March 19 2008 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Time to prove my innocence.
+ Show Spoiler +
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Find The pattern
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(hear the patter?)
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 18 2008 23:45 GMT
#771
On March 19 2008 08:40 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I refuse to respond to PMs such as the one Artanis sent me, as I just KNOW he's going to doctor my response and post it.



lies

you already responded to mine
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 18 2008 23:47 GMT
#775
On March 19 2008 08:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2008 08:45 fusionsdf wrote:
On March 19 2008 08:40 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I refuse to respond to PMs such as the one Artanis sent me, as I just KNOW he's going to doctor my response and post it.



lies

you already responded to mine

Yeah, but you two are discussing mafia plans and I'm not allowed in :<


k
I pmed
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 19 2008 00:44 GMT
#824
On March 19 2008 09:42 Falcynn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2008 09:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 19 2008 09:32 Kau wrote:
On March 19 2008 09:12 Ace wrote:
On March 19 2008 09:04 qrs wrote:

Edit: @ Ace: He's saying that every bodyguard would get a PM. Their PM would list Mafia members as bodyguards. Each bodyguard's PM would list (the same) fake bodyguards as their colleagues. None of the bodyguards would know the difference.


They'd still be caught. Ok let's look at like this:


Scenario 1:

There are 7 bodyguards total. 2 Mafia members "fake" PM the BG's with a Mafia Mayor who also sends out the PM.

We will know how many BGs are there when the elections are over. The Mafia can't leave 2 of the real Bodyguards off the list because the 2 that didn't get a PM would speak up. They can't just add an extra 2 to the PM because any BG getting a PM from the Mayor with 9 names obviously means the Mayor is clearly not thinking straight and is fishy.

Scenario 2:


There are 7 bodyguards total. 2 Mafia members "fake" PM the BG's with an Innocent Mayor who also sends out the PM.

The PMs from the Mayor don't match those 2 "fake" PMs. Even better, the names of those 2 fakers never even appear in the Mayor's original PM and they just outted themselves as Mafia for a pathetic chance at confusion.

How can the Mafia possibly get away with faking any of it without drawing attention to their members?


Ace, I don't see how scenario 1 would happen at all. Unless I don't understand how the game works (which is a definite possibility), this is how I see it using your numbers.

What everyone knows:
There are 7 bodyguards.
Only the mayor knows which 7 people are bodyguards.

Now, we assume that the mayor is also mafia, so he can coordinate with other mafia members.

Since he knows who each bodyguard is, he will send each of the 7 bodyguards a pm. Each pm will have 7 people in it: 6 mafia and 1 bodyguard. Each bodyguard gets pm'ed back by the mafia members (6 different pm's for each bodyguard) and so they believe there are 7 bodyguards. No bodyguards are left out. Each list sent contains 7 people. Each bodyguard recieves 6 confirmation pm's.


As I had said earlier, once one bodyguard dies, the other bodyguards would find out that the one that died isn't in their list and would obviously protest. Mayor gets lynched and people get the list of a large portion of the mafia, plus the mayor.

I have to agree. In the long run this "hole" would actually benefit the town alot more than it would benefit mafia.


you would have to sacrifice the pardoner and the bodyguards in that event

ironically, there roles would be pretty much useless in that case anyways
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 19 2008 00:47 GMT
#829
On March 19 2008 09:45 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
fusion, I'm not answering PMs like that.


hahaha

your response is itself an answer

as was the intent
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 19 2008 00:50 GMT
#833
any messages can be forgeries

I have no interest in spin.

It is only necessary for my own self-interest
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 19 2008 00:52 GMT
#838
On March 19 2008 09:50 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2008 09:50 Falcynn wrote:
Shallow...if fusion posted any screenshots of a PM do you really think anyone would believe him after what happened last game? If anything fusion would just be getting himself lynched.


I know, but I'm not going to risk it.
Especially if he and Artanis are in it together, seeing as they've both sent me close to identical pm's


oh

hahaha
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 19 2008 01:24 GMT
#866
[image loading]
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-20 01:40:24
March 20 2008 01:39 GMT
#1181
any smart mafia will role claim towny

also:

Paramedics: Dont protect Empyrean. The reason should be obvious.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 20 2008 02:39 GMT
#1211
On March 20 2008 10:53 Empyrean wrote:
Confession.

Well it looks like I'm obviously not going to get an elected position.

I'm not a detective. I'm plain townie. You can get a detective or someone to check it out :/

Now. The only reason I posted that I was detective was to try and get the mayoral/pardoner spot, since the only way I will ever be sure (remember, I can't actually check people's roles) that we have a townie-aligned mayor/pardoner is if I were to be in office. So yes, I suppose it was a selfish move, but you'll have to believe me when I say that it was the best thing I could personally have done for the town, since I am a definite townie. I couldn't wait for the off-chance that someone else take the mayoral position and end up being a mafioso.

So you'll understand why I tried to force the town's hand.

And since I've revealed my true role, it's up to the mafia to decide if they want to waste their Suicide Bomber(s?) on a plain townie who's not likely to receive paramedic protection. Furthermore, it solves the problem of the saboteur issue. Why sabotage someone's "abilities" when they actually have none? All town detectives are at the moment unknown, and Ace's plan should proceed without impediment.


hahahahahaha
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-20 02:53:08
March 20 2008 02:46 GMT
#1212
On March 20 2008 11:09 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2008 11:02 GeneralStan wrote:
On March 20 2008 11:01 Mynock wrote:
Bah, another horrible move by Empyrean (assuming he is what he says he is). I was considering the chance that Emp was a townie, in which case what he was doing would have made some sense. First, he could draw the saboteur's ability away from the real roles, second, he might have wasted some of the mafia's killing power or even a suicide bomber.

Now, if he's indeed a townie he's made another crucial mistake, instead of confusing the mafia (and possibly sacrificing himself) he's confusing the town even further.

This is getting really weird now. But for now, I want to hear what others think tho.


You just confused me :\ If he was a vanilla townie then we could have been wasting mafia roles, but they might have realized and ignored Emp.

Or Emp really is a detective and he's trying to now avert attention from himself.


Heh. Think about it for a second - why would I make such a move to announce that I am detective so early on in the game? My only reason for doing so was to ensure a townie mayor. I've also confused some mafia, hopefully. If they still think I'm detective, they run the risk of wasting both their sabotage or their suicide bomber. If they think I'm vanilla townie, then, well, nothing special happens. All our detectives'll still be secret and safe.

Anyway, if you guys really want to see my role, you should just wait for Ace to announce the detectives' results.



why would you, since even if you got your way people would expect you to use your detective powers as mayor

and you wouldnt have powers

Whether you are mafia or townie, paramedics shouldnt watch, and here is why.

If you are mafia, you are safe.
If you are townie, It is in the mafia interest to keep you alive for as long as possible for two reasons: 1) As long as you are alive, you are suspicious. They might as well force us to waste a lynch. 2) Mafia know you are a towny. They would be better off excluding you, because with random chance, they now have a better chance of killing a special role.

If you do die, who cares? At best you are a detective plaing towny for safety - a move which makes you almost useless in that role; at worst you are mafia.

again

Paramedics should stay away from paramedics for the same reason, if he is a townie, you are better off protecting someone with a random guess, and hope its someone a) targetted by the mafia, b) special non-mafia role

On March 20 2008 11:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2008 11:28 Yogurt wrote:
how do we guarantee who the detectives are again?

imo if the mafia was smart, they would have 1 or two claim the detective roles to cause a lot of confusion and stall while townies died, even if they got lynched in the end


detective checks Ace, and then PM's Ace if ace is green/blue. so silence from detectives indicates that ace is not a mafia. from there ace builds the network, as he knows who the DT's are and so they can work through him without speaking in the open. If Ace is mafia (which would be awful for the town), detective has to speak up so ace can be lynched. then we are down a detective and a mayor, and in a tough spot indeed.

if the mafia are roleclaiming a detective, ace will know since there will be 5 detectives PMing him, unless a detective is inactive.

i think that's the plan, If I misunderstood something please someone correct me


so we just lynch detectives until we find out which one is mafia?

or do we have to coordinate the detectives somehow, which would tie them up another round? You would have to do a double check from what I see, which might take as long as two seperate nights.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 20 2008 03:35 GMT
#1232
lynching empyrean is the smartest thing to do

at best hes a townie
at worst hes mafia
in either way he creates confusion as long as he is alive
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 20 2008 04:29 GMT
#1264
On March 20 2008 13:26 Ace wrote:
{88}iNcontroL

jokes

he hasnt voted so hwe will get dropped anyways
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 20 2008 06:00 GMT
#1408
great....

should have lynched empyrean
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 20 2008 15:03 GMT
#1473
so......

we are lynching quiet people to force them to post?

Do you realize how useless a strategy that is?

We only get one/2 lynches a day....and you want to waste them like that.

First, its perfectly possible for mafia to post without seeming suspicious. So by forcing them to post you gain absolutely nothing.

Second, its possible for a townie to post suspiciously. By focusing on it, you confuse the town, and potentially waste future lynches.

Third, In this case, we knew that empyrean was at best a townie. Going after him offers better odds than lynching inactive posters. This was a very rare situatuion. In most cases, Its better to lynch based on clues

Fourth, by lynching based on clues, you narrow the pool of people that clue potentially refers to, and offer yourself the chance to isolate mafia based on clues.

I am glad you dont have control of future lynches. The reasoning for this one was flawed. Lynch because of clues, not posting activity.

This was a mistake
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 20 2008 15:11 GMT
#1476
On March 21 2008 00:07 Naib wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2008 00:03 fusionsdf wrote:
so......

we are lynching quiet people to force them to post?

Do you realize how useless a strategy that is?



No, no, no and again a NO! That is not a strategy! That is a strategy for the first lynch only and nothing else. I feel I explained it quite well, feel free to read it all again (Ace can back it up of course, I bet he can form better arguments seeing English is his first language, and not mine )


It doesnt matter what lynching it is

its still stupid

especially when you have a gift like empyrean
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 20 2008 15:33 GMT
#1487
On March 21 2008 00:18 Naib wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2008 00:11 fusionsdf wrote:
On March 21 2008 00:07 Naib wrote:
On March 21 2008 00:03 fusionsdf wrote:
so......

we are lynching quiet people to force them to post?

Do you realize how useless a strategy that is?



No, no, no and again a NO! That is not a strategy! That is a strategy for the first lynch only and nothing else. I feel I explained it quite well, feel free to read it all again (Ace can back it up of course, I bet he can form better arguments seeing English is his first language, and not mine )


It doesnt matter what lynching it is

its still stupid

especially when you have a gift like empyrean


A "gift" oh yeah. Definitely. I'd really suggest you to read through the thread again.


You obviously dont understand what is going on in this game, so you might as well stop this

If you had an argument you would offer it instead of useless sarcasm
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
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