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It is clear that "tracil" knows what he's doing, and his advice are extremely usefull for those who have never played Mafia before. He comes off as one who you could trust, and one who could lead you, especially if you're a beginner. Yet if he was a mafia, that could be used as a huge advantage for him. A high number Mafia game means a high number of mafia newbs, meaning there will be many gullible minds to fool into trusting him. As a towny, what he's doing is good for the town. As a mafia, what he's doing is even better for the mafia. But if you look at what he's saying, they are very useful, logical tips that would not benefit a mafia. If he was mafia, wouldn't he add in any misleading statements? Then again, perhaps not. IF he was mafia, trust is the first thing he would work at. As a experienced mafia player, he would know this, and know not to make any moves so early in the game that would cast any suspicion to him... If you take a look at the advice he's given, they are fairly basic, simple advices.... which means even IF he was a mafia, the advice he gives to the townies won't hurt him so much, because if it means he becomes mayor, the advantages of mafia becoming a mayor far outweighs the advantages of giving simple basic tips that anyone could figure out themselves. Personally, this inclines me to be very careful of Tracil. If he is one to trust, he is one to rally around. Yet because of this, he is someone you have to be even MORE aware of. <hr> Then there's SoMuchBetter. Relatively simple posts, nothing too informative, which leads me to believe that either he is not on the same side as Tracil, or he is playing a different strategy... of course, this is assuming that tracil is mafia... which is still up in the air. Posting a paint post is a trickly little move. Paint has beeing something of a special-TLnet-thing. We've had some fun threads with Paint, and to make a "vote me for mayor" using Paint means many people will look at it, smile or perhaps chuckle, and lean towards him. It would give him publicity. The rest of his posts, however, have been short lines, and mostly directed towards hints. However, the two posts I've read regarding speculations, have been a bit far-fetched, in my opinion. They are possibilities, but some how I doubt it would be so. This either means he is giving far-fetched clues to throw people off the track, or simply that he is just posting for the sake of making comments, not really thinking through his points. Either way, I am less suspicious of SoMuchBetter than Tracil. <hr> For now I reserve my vote until more has been known... but this is what I've analyzed. | ||
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My reason is that Tracil is a dangerous person. Both SMB and Tracil could be mafia, but I would rather have SMB be a mafia/mayor, than Tracil being a mafia/mayor. If Tracil becomes mayor and turns out to be mafia, he would be, in my opinion, a bigger threat to the town than SMB becoming mayor/mafia. | ||
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One of the mafia kicked down on one side of his chest, his muddy boots sliding off almost causing him to lose balance. My suspicion goes to wurm. "I'll take care of this, he's been a thorn in my side since the day I got here" Can't think of someone yet. "We knew there was a spy amongst us, but I never thought it would be you! Well you played a good game, but now its over and its time to meet your maker", My suspicion goes to JeeJee. "That was low, even for you" said another mafia. "Who cares where I stab him, all is fair" he protested, My suspicion goes to NotSorry, or ShaLLoW[baY] As if ceremoniously, one of the mafia bowed with an arm extended, and they departed as a group to get much needed rest for the day to come. Can't think of someone yet. | ||
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On February 12 2008 08:34 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I've been sitting here for 5 minutes trying to figure out how you've linked that clue with me, it doesn't make any sense :p low blow = you gotta be shallow to make a low-blow. :p A bit stretched, just a guess. | ||
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Let's take this and break it down (after I stop laughing) I think it's much more powerful that Dr.Dragoon is mafia than ShaLLoW[baY]. 1. If shallow was a mafia, he would never expose a fellow mafia. 2 .Photoshopping a message to frame someone is a very stupid idea, something that anyone with half a brain wouldn't do. Why? Because obviously the person who was being targetted would retaliate, reject that such a message was ever sent, and defend himself. 3. Dr.Dragoon's reply was On February 12 2008 09:17 Dr.Dragoon wrote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Clearly proving that he was mafia. If he was NOT mafia, his first reply would be "What the hell I never posted that!". I don't think we can lynch yet, but if we can, I vote we lynch Dr.Dragoon | ||
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He has NO REASON to reveal himself because 1. That would get him killed, and 2. Mafia's know who other mafia's are. @ Tracil: I am not trying to expose you. I simply saw that the community was reacting very positively to your post, and wanted to simply say "hey, slow down a moment... you could be heading straight for a trap". I am very tempted to trust you as well, but the fact remains true that you know what you're doing. It's only been day 1, the evidence is far too short to make any accusations on my part to catagorize you as mafia or townie. I am simply being cautious, and voicing my opinion. There is also a second motive, but that will be revealed soon. Right now my suspicion is very low on everyone except Dragoon. It's only Day 1, and we need far more clues and some misshaps like Dragoon's to really point fingers. | ||
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On February 12 2008 10:18 Tracil wrote: @ L2W: Hmm. Accepted that it's true townies shouldn't just blindly act in one direction. Still a bit miffed but I like your tone so far. However, I disagree that we should be focusing elsewhere; the Dr. Dragoon vs. Swallow thing wasn't just a 'mishap'; it was either a blatant mistake on Dragoon's part, or a stupid action on Swallows. I don't think we can really let this slide. The attitudes people take on this will be noted for future days- people should weigh in on it, and I know that if I'm elected mayor, I will likely use the instant-lynch to kill either Dragoon or Caller at this point (the latter because he said 'I am mafia', which is.. well.. dumb.) Oh of course not. I am 99% sure Dragoon is a mafia. He is going to get lynched no matter what. I was addressing to those who believe Shallow should also be lynched. In my opinion he has no reason to be suspected... everything he did makes logical sense, while Dragoon's actions makes no sense if he was a townie. | ||
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The top two are: Dr.Dragoon (99%) Caller (80%) The other's I am awaiting more clues. | ||
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On February 12 2008 10:43 JeeJee wrote: I was going to make an excel sheet of everyone's name, current sig, profile, and any interesting notes (such as the dragoon fiasco right now) but I got bored around member 30. Anyone want to do this? I really want to know what the hell it means to bow with one arm outstretched. It seems like the only clue that's not a red herring in the Day One post. yea I've been thinking on that for awhile, but I can't come to a conclusion yet. | ||
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On February 12 2008 10:42 Caller wrote: i'm not trying to change your mind or anything, but can i just see what your reasoning is for putting me up so high? Actually much of my suspicion is based on the fact that #1 is correct. If #1 turns out wrong then my entire theory falls. | ||
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On February 12 2008 11:06 dancefayedance!~ wrote: tracil after reading your posts i am seriously considering revoking my vote. I find that intriguing. My suspicion of Tracil has actually gone way down. | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:07 Dr.Dragoon wrote: Just so you all know, even if I die, I can still post here to taunt you all! I'll let you post. If you try to sway votes or do something a dead person shouldn't be able to do I'll have to bring out my hammer. | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:12 Dr.Dragoon wrote: Do something a dead person shouldn't be able to? the rule is if someone dies from mafia or gets lynched they shouldn't be able to post, since they might sway votes. But I think it'll be better if dead people still post, but nothing that would directly effect the game. | ||
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On February 12 2008 09:54 Live2Win wrote: LOOOOOL omg this is hilarious. Let's take this and break it down (after I stop laughing) I think it's much more powerful that Dr.Dragoon is mafia than ShaLLoW[baY]. 1. If shallow was a mafia, he would never expose a fellow mafia. 2. Photoshopping a message to frame someone is a very stupid idea, something that anyone with half a brain wouldn't do. Why? Because obviously the person who was being targetted would retaliate, reject that such a message was ever sent, and defend himself. 3. Dr.Dragoon's reply was Clearly proving that he was mafia. If he was NOT mafia, his first reply would be "What the hell I never posted that!". I don't think we can lynch yet, but if we can, I vote we lynch Dr.Dragoon Disprove all three points, and I will change my opinion | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:19 Alethios wrote: You mean affect. Psychoanalytically, your nervousness at being discovered to be a mafia hit man is manifesting itself in your choice of words. Lynch him! I suck at telling the difference on when to use which one. What nervousness are you talking about? Are talking to me or Dragoon? | ||
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On February 12 2008 13:53 mahnini wrote: To further elaborate on this, maybe someone photoshopped it, presented it to the mafia and they decided shallow should post it for whatever reason. His "habitual" .png saving doesn't make sense since his own paint picture is saved in .jpeg which he "left it on .jpeg", when in fact default the default save format for paint is .bmp (I said .gif earlier, my mistake). First of all, .jpeg is the default save format for Paint. Second, in my opinion you guys are thinking way ahead into this. The explanation "I saved in JPEG because last time I saved in .png people made a big fuss about it" is a perfectly good explanation, and I personally see no reason to be particularily suspicious about that. The Dr.Dragoon case, however, still has me convinced he should be lynched. | ||
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On February 12 2008 14:19 mahnini wrote: I just checked and recheck. Default image format is 24-bit .bmp. It makes zero sense to change a picture to .jpeg after posting a previous picture in .png since he already established that he did it habitually, which he now disproved by posting a .jpeg. This still doesn't change the fact that this could be an elaborate mafia plot to test the waters so to speak of how to get rid of someone. from the Windows program Paint? Every computer I've ever been on has always had JPEG as the default.  | ||
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On February 12 2008 14:47 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: The mafioso who killed Chuiu's name started with i. This leaves us with: -ieatkids5 -imDerek -ilovezil -infinity21 The prononciation of "iaaagh" implies that the "i" is clearly pronounced, leaving us with ilovezil, ieatkids5, and imDerek. Chuiu joined teamliquid in 2003, and has been "a thorn in my side since the day I got here". This implies that it has been a long time that Chuiu has been irritating the person in question. The issue arises here that the closest join date was that of ieatkids5, in September 2004. I'm still working out this clue, but I think it places ieatkids5 as a good suspect at this time, with ilovezil and imDerek close behind. [EDIT=Breakthrough] Depending on how Aepplet is pronounced, it could be taken as "i-pplet". Aepplet joined the site in 2003, mere months after Chuiu! [EDIT] wow, great catch right there.... Definately helpful. | ||
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On the other hand if I consider him mafia it everything makes sense. | ||
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On February 12 2008 18:39 MasterOfChaos wrote: You can easily see if a png is saved by paint. Normal pngs are much smaller, whereas paint .pngs are about the size of the bitmap. But faking screenshots using photoshop is stupid, when you can edit the html, which produces perfect screenshots. When posting screenshots of teamliquid I'd use png, no loss and as TL has large areas of the same color reasonably small. btw what is dragoons defence? That he did not send the PM or that he was testing shallow? out of curiosity, how does that work? I just clicked a random pm in my mailbox, hit "view source" and editted the text of the pm. I then saved the .txt to my desktop as .html, and then viewed it in a browser... it shows up parts of TL but most of it has image errors with [x] boxes. Do I need to save the .html in a specific directory for it to look like TLnet? | ||
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On February 13 2008 06:39 Amber[LighT] wrote: Something tells me that l2w and fakesteve couldn't pull this off. I wouldn't risk outting either of them yet, but keep your eyes on l2w he's been saying a lot  I would agree to kill Dr. Dragoon. hohoho I'm doing less talking and more observing atm. | ||
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I'd like to add some input but I want to see how my theories work out so I'm gonna remain shut for the night. My only hope is that one of the paramedics protect me tonight, as I'll probably be a mafia target. Especially if my theories turn out to be true. | ||
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On February 13 2008 12:45 Dr.Dragoon wrote: How come I'm not on your major suspect list anymore??? fixed. I thought u'd be dead right away. | ||
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Oh damn unless a paramedic protects me I think I'll be killed soon. I'm a at a dilemma as to whether I should spill out my theories right now or not. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=L | ||
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I'm not going to share all of my thoughts, for obvious reasons... so tonight, incase I die, I will direct my mind on our newly elected mayor. As with Tracil and many others, I suspect FakeSteve to be a mafioso. My reasoning, however, lies less with his actions before and after he became more, but more with the interactions of others. I first suspected FS during his campaign.. or rather, lack there-of. How many posts did FakeSteve make to campaign himself for mayor? Almost none. Yet he won the election. On the other hand our Pardoner, Tracil put a lot out there. He really shared his thoughts and gave out tips. Of course I initial pointed that as a suspicious move, but at this point I admit that my suspicion of Tracil has subsided substantially. Yet even with all of his, "campaigning" he just barely scraped in 13 votes. (Although that probably has a lot to do with my "don't trust Tracil" speech). Back to FakeSteve. There are two explanations as to why FS has gotten so many votes while doing virtually nothing. First is the obvious: FS is a mafia. If FS is a mafia then a good majority of his votes would be mafia's, which would, as stated earlier, explain why such little campaigning was needed. This makes sense to me because if FS's name was included in the list of mafia's, then it is obvious that he would play the role as "leader" of the mafia. It fits his nature, his position in TLnet, and most of all his character. The second explanation is the one that has been taken up by many of FS's voters. They vote FS because.... he's FS. He's a well-known rekrul-like figure at TLnet. He has a status at TLnet, much higher above the other candidates. This fact alone could easily explain why FS got so many votes. But to be honest, the second explanation doesn't make as much sense as the first. Would so many people really vote FS without giving it a second thought.... because he's FS? If FS was mafia, then him getting mayor powers would be extremely dangerous... more so because he's FS. This inclines me to believe that people would be MORE CAUTIOUS of voting for FakeSteve, rather than EAGER to vote for him. These voter's rather light approach to putting a potentially danergous man in office has me question their motives. If these voters were mafias, it would make sense. Also, a have a small list of suspects. I compared my list to the people who voted in the election... and guess what, a good chunk of them voted for FakeSteve. Now, FakeSteve is a smart man (all the more reason why he would fit the role of "leader of mafia"). He has given plausible explanations as to his actions after his election, and has thrown out information to get people to think before they accuse him. And because of this, most my suspicion, as I stated before, comes from the people around FakeSteve, and not FakeSteve himself. Thus it should be noted that I could be completely wrong. | ||
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On February 14 2008 18:20 MasterOfChaos wrote: I cannot imagine that that is within the rules. That is equivalent to showing ones card in a normal mafia game and would ruin the entire game. (i'm not playing) it's pointless since you can delete PMs. | ||
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I vote Dr.Dragoon to be lynched. (no offense Dr.Dragoon, I'm just not convinced of your innocence. >.<) | ||
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On February 16 2008 16:33 Dr.Dragoon wrote: DD is clearly Dapperdan. Tough luck Dapperdan! lol nice try. I'm assuming DD means Dr.Dragoon | ||
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On February 16 2008 16:02 goldenkrnboi wrote: hm.... i find it strange and interesting that during the day post, there was no mention of L2W at all, even though he brought up really good points. also, after looking back at the post, i realized that there were 6 deaths, although the maximum is 7. this could mean 3 things: (in order of most likely what happened/is going on) 1. Chuiu isn't telling us about paramedic saves. 2. 2-3 of mafia got lazy and just chilled 3. L2W is part of mafia and either predicament 1 or 2 Chuiu, are you allowed to tell us about successful saves? also, i'm voting for DD for reasons that i gave (some pages back) and reasons other people already gave. I'm not that suspicious of SMB that much anymore. I'm still not really convinced that you're not mafia, but, then again, you probably think the same about me, as does everybody else in this game about each other. I'm getting kicked off the comp right now, so i'll try to see what i can pick out from the day post fully tomorrow. I wasn't saved by a paramedic, because I didn't get this "PM" from Chuiu or Dapperdan. I have no reason to lie about this either, as the paramedic(s) can easily uncover my lie. However this puts me in a difficult position. The fact that the mafia didn't even attempt to kill me, means a few things: They want the towns people to suspect me and lynch me, or they want me to think I'm wrong and change my thoughts.... OR I am wrong and see no threat in me. I need time to think this through. | ||
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On February 16 2008 17:40 wurm wrote: Bah, everyone's voting to lynch Dr. Dragoon instead of analyzing the clues. I have two clues inparticular that point to one person. Since you people are already set on lynching Dr. Dragoon, i'd rather not put myself into a dangerous situation. 2 of the mafia went after Mahnini. QUOTED FOR PRESERVATION how do you know 2 of the mafia went after Mahnini? That should be confidential information that should kept only to the mafia and Chuiu/DapperDan! | ||
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Dr.Dragoon really surprised me. Man I owe that man an apology. | ||
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I believed in ShaLLoW[baY], and now I owe Dr.Dragoon one massive apology. | ||
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NOW GET OUT OF THIS THREAD OR I BAN YOUR ASS | ||
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"-Doesn’t mention last option-is mafiaso?" I guess you could think that. My defense is that I just didn't consider that an option. But that's just saying "I'm not mafia", which is something I can't prove until I'm dead. "-for an intelligent player this should have been obvious in the clues." If I was mafia I wouldn't have made this mistake at all. Actually I'm still puzzled at this question. There were 14 mafias, and 7 kills per night. Only 6 died. What if all 14 mafias voted someone different? Who dies then? Or what if 6 were voted by 2 mafias, and the other 2 mafias each voted somone separate, making it a total of 8 individuals (6 with two votes, 2 with 1 vote).... which one of the two would die? And thus this leads me to think, how do you know how many mafia votes a certain victim got? "-Stim pack? Say yes to stims?" This could point to me, I admit... although it can point to others. I'll have to do some digging to clear my name. T_T "Games of life…they maybe play to win? Live2win?" I think this is over-reaching. It's a vague clue that doesn't exactly point in a direction. Like House likes to say, "You see it because you're looking for it". Also, in our conversation, I made it clear that "Both could not be innocent". I also said it is highly unlikely that both were mafia, since it guarantees atleast one of them to be dead. So my conclusion was: If one of them is mafia, then the other is innocent. I wasn't convinced that "ShaLLoW[baY] was innocent".... rather, I was convinced that Dr.Dragoon was guilty. Tracil was convinced as well, and a few others were who I did not think were suspicious. As soon as Dr.Dragoon was found to be innocent, it was obvious that ShaLLoW[baY] was mafia. You might wonder why I didn't pounce on it right away then, but I was away this weekend and didn't ahve much time to spend on TLnet.... the little time I had on here I spent on looking up GSI results and Survivor/OSC results. (A poor defense I know, but it's the truth). To proove that I was not defending ShaLLoW[baY], but rather accusing Dr.Dragoon, here's a quote I said way back regarding Day 1 clues. On February 12 2008 08:38 Live2Win wrote: low blow = you gotta be shallow to make a low-blow. :p A bit stretched, just a guess. Here's my semi-accusation of Shallow[bay]. I dismissed this clue and went after Dr.Dragoon rather than Shallow[bay], simply because clues brought on by real reactions are much more reliable than clues created to be found. Lastly, about my position on Tracil. I tried to make this clear when I first posted about him, but I knew it wasn't clear enough. I was never convinced that Tracil was mafia, or never against him exactly. I was simply cautious of him. Here's a reply I posted in regarding to Tracil.... page 18, post 351 "I am not trying to expose you. I simply saw that the community was reacting very positively to your post, and wanted to simply say "hey, slow down a moment... you could be heading straight for a trap". I am very tempted to trust you as well, but the fact remains true that you know what you're doing. It's only been day 1, the evidence is far too short to make any accusations on my part to catagorize you as mafia or townie. I am simply being cautious, and voicing my opinion. " At this point I am still cautious of Tracil, but I'm also less guarded towards him. | ||
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That was created at the beginning of the game.... on Day 1 and changed on the early parts of Day 2. Half of those on my list were directed BASED on the fact that Dr.Dragoon was guilty. Since it turns out he's not, the list needs to be changed. Can't really remember which ones were based on that theory, so I have to look back a bit (FakeSteve is there for another reason). I can tell you caller, that the reason you were high up there is because you were one of the first to come to Dr.Dragoon's aid... and without much proof. It was early in the game, people were posting lightly without thinking of the concequences (if you notice people are careful to post now). As I mentioned before, since I considered DD guilty, I assumed the people who flew to his aid were his fellow mafias. Thus I made a list of those "suspected mafias". Since that theory turned out horribly wrong, (DAMN YOU SHALLOW[BAY]) I have to rearrange my list. | ||
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So yea, once I was pretty sure you were not mafia, I was going to change my vote... but before I could I had to take an exam that lasted longer than I thought. <hr> Since it's becoming more apparent that I'm going to get lynched (and that makes me sad) I am going to leave out a theory so that when I die, and when I'm proven innocent, it will hopefully steer your attention to another suspect: Caller. To begin with, I want to explain why I suspected Caller, and why he's high up on my list: 1.) His opposition against ShaLLoW[Bay]. Of course this reasoning is now thrown out the window since it turns out Shallow[bay] was mafia, and Dr.Dragoon was innocent, so I won't go into much detail. Basically he was against Shallow[bay], and since I was convinced Dr.Dragoon was mafia, I figured he must be protecting a mafia.... I was wrong. This reasoning is no longer valid. 2.) His allegiance to FakeSteve. I've explained in a previous post why I suspect FakeSteve. Therefor, anyone who supported FS I had an eye on... especially those who voted with little reason, as explained the link to my post. These are Caller's quotes regarding FS's nomination: On February 12 2008 04:41 Caller wrote: I vote for FakeSteve edit: on the grounds that he likes paint On February 12 2008 07:13 Caller wrote: don't vote for better and/or trucil, they're both mafiosos trying to corner the vote. a vote for fakesteve is a vote for honesty and arbitrary executions. On February 12 2008 21:06 Caller wrote: vote for fakesteve, at least if he's a mafiaso he'll be killing random people anyways On February 13 2008 02:30 Caller wrote: dont forget to vote against the mafia tyrrany that is somuchbetter and tyracil... vote for fakesteve On February 13 2008 07:05 Caller wrote: vote for fake steve u fools These posts give relatively weak reasonings as to why he would vote FakeSteve, or why we should vote for FS. Of course, this doesn't mean he is mafia. It was just enough for a red flag on Caller. 3.) His odd posts, as if purposely stirring up trouble when not needed. Here's a few quotes from Caller that had me thinking that: On February 12 2008 09:47 Caller wrote: Alright i give up im a mafiaso, lynch me please  This was pointed out by Tracil, but I'd like to emphasize that this short sentence makes almost no sense as a townie. On February 12 2008 10:20 Caller wrote: EDIT: It was a sort of reaction test to see what would happen. In this case, you had a strange reaction when I said that, which I thought was a bit odd. Hmm... On February 12 2008 10:30 Caller wrote: there was a smiley face for a reason lol. I thought it might trip up people whom weren't too cautious. Also, do any of the current clues have anything to do with me? Its not like i have a sig, nor is my name overly complicated. His original message was just a simple " ". But one has to wonder, why do this? He explains it's a "reaction test" yet he made no follow up to what he found out. I personally don't think this was a test, but a simple little trick to confuse people.4.) This one's new. It's a theory I've cooked up after the Shallow[bay]/Dr.Dragoon incident was cleared up. One thing that puzzled me was that no one tried to kill me the first night, or the second night. Here's a quote from a few pages back: + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2008 16:54 Live2Win wrote: I wasn't saved by a paramedic, because I didn't get this "PM" from Chuiu or Dapperdan. I have no reason to lie about this either, as the paramedic(s) can easily uncover my lie. However this puts me in a difficult position. The fact that the mafia didn't even attempt to kill me, means a few things: They want the towns people to suspect me and lynch me, or they want me to think I'm wrong and change my thoughts.... OR I am wrong and see no threat in me. I need time to think this through. Now first of all, this means that (assuming I'm a townie) none of the mafia tried to kill me. I'll admit at one point I was convinced that it's because I'm way off with my theories. But right now I'm seeing a possible, more ingenious reason: they can't, so they won't. Think about it: there are 4 paramedics, and there has been a few requests to protect me tonight, both by myself and a few others who trusted me. To the mafia, this guarantees that I will not be killed that night, unless more mafias attacked... yet with 4 medics, it is dangerous to attempt to kill me so early when there aren't that many people they trust to protect yet. In fact, if they attempted to kill me and I was saved, it would PROVE my innocence. The town won't know it, but the target (me) and the medic would both know, and they would let the town know. Once the town saw me as a target, they would assume I was innocent, and try to protect me. In the end the mafia won't be able to kill me until more medics were killed. So instead they're doing something different: they're trying to frame me. They first target the ones who have suspected me as mafia, making me look suspicious. Then they leave me untouched, making me look like a possible mafia. Then as the finale a mafia comes out and directs their finger at me, using the reasons listed above as proof. And who's finger is pointing at me? Caller. <hr> Now of course, some of you will simply look at this as a ploy of mine to stay alive. At this point I can understand how Dr.Dragoon feels. People are hopping on the lynch train simply because they don't feel like looking into the clues and coming to a conclusion themselves. They scan over someone else's conclusion, half-agree with it and lynch whoever that person lynch. I only ask of you, Liquidians, to not let that happen. If you must lynch me, look over Caller's posts, and my posts. Consider all possibilities and if you agree with him, then lynch me. Please don't lynch for the sake of lynching. | ||
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I vote to lynch Caller | ||
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However I am in danger of being lynched, I think it good for me to "over-reach" if it means keeping myself alive for the day atleast. As for whether I change my lynch vote, I'll have to give it some thought. Caller withdrawing his vote surprises me, and he does make a point is saying he wouldn't sacrifice himself to get me. (and I should really stop thinking like everyone's out to get me, lol) | ||
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On February 20 2008 15:44 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: so everybody just ignores the 'caller is a bodyguard' thing basically due to the ineptitude of you lot one of my bodyguards is fucked paramedics, save caller every night forever you have 2 more | ||
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Keeping this information no longer benefits me. It will be revealed anyways, and hopefully once my innocence is revealed, my previous accusations will be considered heavily. Also, I pubically request the pardoner, Tracil to pardon me. There's no point in PMing him, as he is against all PMs regarding the game. Some of you may see this as a desparate attemp by a mafia to stay alive. But this would be the same whether I was a townie or townie. If I die then that's it for me. I can do no more. Thus, I'm spilling everything I know for the town to use. Hopefully the town will use my previous posts and information to direct their attentions to someone else, someone who is hopefully a mafia. Others may wonder why I would risk a piece of information that guarantees death by the mafia, if not by the town. Again, because if I die then that's it. Even if this move keeps me alive for only an extra day, it will let me help the town. Another possibility is that another paramedic may keep me alive for the awhile, if they believe I'm innocent. There, I'm now naked in front of you all. I hide nothing. | ||
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On February 21 2008 12:14 Caller wrote: i figured as much... although i wouldnt pubically request anybody to do anything. that'd be kinda sketchy.  My only question for you is, why did u keep calling on medics to save you? because I can't save myself? I figured if the Mafia would target anyone in the first night, I would be one of them since I and Tracil talked the most. Tracil became Pardoner so he's safe, but I had no protection. So I asked to be protected. I will admit the very first night I protected ShaLLoW[baY]. This was night #1, when we were all convinced, especially me, that Dr.Dragoon was scum. Imagine how shitty I felt when I found out I wasted a night on a mafia. | ||
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Because there was no one I trusted enough to protect, nor anyone who I considered in grave danger. I also didn't have time to look into it. (night 2 and day 3 came pretty fast compared to day 2) | ||
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On February 21 2008 14:19 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: you couldn't tell the difference between your own ass and a hole in the ground, who are you to interfere with what i do the pardoner? His job description is to interfere with what you do, if he deems it wrong. | ||
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On February 21 2008 15:36 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: stop voting for caller retards if you voted for him, change it No. As far as I can tell you're even more suspicious than he. Plus the alternative is my death. :p | ||
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I change my vote from Caller to FakeSteve He has been a shady character from the start. But most of all he has been using force to sway the public. I'm afraid he may be too dangerous to keep. | ||
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Currently Tracil is in 2nd and myself in third. I obviously don't want to die yet, and I'm fairly convinced Tracil isn't a threat. Tracil has been the most involved in this game, so I think him dying would be a tragedy for the town, if he turns out townie. If he's mafia then yes, but right now I'm inclined to believe he's townie. | ||
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I find the clues pointing to him from Day 1 compelling. | ||
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When we "idiots" vote and the two leading candidates to get lynched are both townies. That's when he'd use his double lynch. If the top ones were mafia and townie, would he use his double? No. | ||
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On February 23 2008 13:04 SoMuchBetter wrote: me n steve are brothers till the end cmon steve, ill race you to the gallows I vote for the guillotine | ||
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It's quite simple actually. Someone ask for paramedic protection tonight, and I will save them for the night. The only way that fails is if I'm attacked and the one I'm protecting is attacked, or the one I'm protecting is attacked by multiple mafias. In this case we'd both die. So if you die and I die, then my identity will be revealed (too late though, since we're dead). If you die, and I don't die, then I'm mafia. AFAIK there is no way the mafia can kill someone I'm protecting without killing me. Of course this doesn't PROOVE I am a paramedic, since if the mafia just ignore us then the question still stands. But atleast this guarantees either your safety or my guilt. Because if YOU DIE, then my alligience is revealed. | ||
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On February 27 2008 12:08 CDRdude wrote: Oh! I get it now! What Tracil is saying is that to miss the mark is the mafia that keeps missing the mark with his poisonous solutions. It all makes sense now, how couldn't I have seen it earlier? It seems that there is no record of him voting at all though, so we can't base anything off of what he said. Also because of that, we don't know if he's inactive. But now that I think about it, that clue HAS to point towards to miss the mark I am changing my vote away from Romance_us to to miss the mark ==edit== to miss the mark just posted above me, so he is clearly not inactive. Then why hasn't he voted at all? that is a damn good guess. One of the closest next to Romance_us/Valentine. I think the lack of voting is a what the mafia is trying to do, lay low so they aren't targetted by suspicion, while killing at night. I vote To Miss The Mark Hopefully we won't miss our mark this time. | ||
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VOTE FOR TMTM PPL I HAVE A GOOD FEELING ABOUT THIS ONE! *if we "miss our mark" again I'll just have to jump in the river | ||
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Now Alventine's information is extremely useful. 5/9 are pretty good odds. Looking at Alventine's clues, I'd say the strongest suspect imDerek and Falcynn. I especially like the Falcynn one. When I read the Day 2 murder with the sleeping bag, it nagged me for awhile what it meant. But the idea of a "worm" being "preyed on" by a "bird" named mafia seems to fit in really nicely. I'd say our next target should be either Falcynn or imDerek. | ||
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.... cuz I protected Alventine last night. | ||
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I made a huge fucking mistake. I got a PM from Chuiu saying he didn't get any PM's from me. I was like wtf so I checked my sent messages and it turns out I PM'd Tracil of my Alventine protection instead of Chuiu. FUCKING SHIT Alventine might have been protected if I didn't make that mistake. I don't know how I ended up doing that ffs. Well this is it. My mistake probably cost us our "leader" detective and I deserve to get lynched for that. My only question is why didn't Tracil PM me back saying I made a mistake, or atleast post the PM publically which is what he said he'd do everytime someone PM'd him. If he just let me know I PM'd him I would have caught my mistake and PM'd Chuiu right away. | ||
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On March 01 2008 02:22 Falcynn wrote: Seriously, this is why we shouldn't have lynched Fakesteve. Previously I wanted a double lynch to get L2W and Vharox, but after L2W's latest comment I'm pretty much positive that either him or Tracil are mafia... Edit: wait, but how the hell do you "accidentaly" pm Tracil? I mean you either had to type his name in the "To" box, or click the PM button next to his name. and considering that Chuiu's the first poster it'd seem to make more sense to just go to the first page and click the PM button there.... seriously...wtf? I don't think Tracil is mafia, nor myself (obvioiusly)... I don't have any good reasons to suspect so, atleast. My guess as to why Tracil didn't PM me back is because he didn't think it was a mistake, but some kind of "trick" I was trying to use on him, so he was waiting and building up a case against me and was waiting to posting the PM until he had a solid case. | ||
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On March 01 2008 02:56 Fen wrote: Ok, assuming Live2Win is mafia, lets look at the game. - A reoccurring theme is that a mafia with a syringe is injecting people with a substance that seems like it is supposed to increase strength. It fits the description of a stim very well and the best fit is Live2Win's Sig. - He gets in trouble and is about to be townie lynched. He looks at the list, realises that there are 4 paramedic positions still alive. Chances are, one is not playing and he can assume that role. His move pays off. - After announcing to everyone that he is a paramedic, he is not attacked by the mafia. You would assume the mafia would want to take paramedics down as their power becomes greater as the townie numbers decrease. - After becoming the medic that is supposed to watch over the townies most valuble asset, he "accidently" sends the PM to the wrong person and the detective dies. This info is pretty solid against you Live2Win. I'm interested to hear your counterargument. EDIT: only to make it more readable Recurring theme - I can understand how that can lead to me. I was hoping the suspicion would die down when TMTM died, but apparently he wasn't the one the clues were pointing to. As soon as I saw Day 5's clues, I knew people would mention me once again. Pretending to be Paramedic - Far too risky. Pretending to assume a position means you WILL be uncovered eventually. It puts a timeline on your life. If I was mafia, my goal would be to stay alive until the end. I wouldn't assume a role unless I knew I could live it out. Of course, both cases have no proof to back them up. - Not attacked by mafia - I'm actually baffled by this myself. I figured by night 2 I was going to be a gonner. My only guess is that another medic protected me. If that's the case, I'm screwed unless that person reveals himself. If no one protected me... then perhaps the mafia knew I would get lynched eventually, succesfully making the town waste a lynch on me. - Accident - This one should be easy to defend. What good do I get out from making up this "accident?" If I was mafia, pretending to be medic, why would I even send out a PM to anyone? PMing Chuiu would do no good, and sending a "fake PM" and then posting it would only make me look suspicious. What motive do I have to intentially bring the suspicion back to me? If I was mafia being a paramedic, all I have to do is say I'm protecting someone and pretend to do so. But to intentionally do things that would bring suspicion to myself? Does that make sense? | ||
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We have 11 mafias and 28 townies dead. The vote count per night has gone down to 5. The mafia don't need to kill us all off, they just need to outnumber us, which means they have about 4 or 5 nights to do so. However if we get incredibly good at hitting our targets, while medics successfully protect their targets (unlike my dumbass) and vigilants pull at least 1 hit, we are likely to win this game. The next two day/night cycle plays a CRUICIAL role in this. Right now we HAVE to get a mafia kill. It will only bring the count down to 10 mafias, which is still 5 hits per night, but if we get a vigilante or another lynch successfully we will get down to 9 mafias by day 6, which means 4 hits and that'll be good for us. So this brings back to me. Again, I ask you all this question. WHY WOULD I DO THIS TO MYSELF IF I WAS MAFIA? I can't stress this fact enough. I have NOTHING TO GAIN by pulling this stunt. This is a lose-lose situation for me, no matter what I do. I realize as soon as I made this mistake I was in a horrible position. But I knew unless I came clean with it now, the situation was going to get worst if Tracil pointed it out instead. Please, someone explain, if I was mafia, what my intentions would be by pulling this stunt. | ||
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On March 01 2008 06:49 Empyrean wrote: I'm afraid that I'm going to have to vote for Live2Win. Why? I'm actually not basing this on the "clues", as as I've stated before, I'm never going to rely on the clues. They've gotten way too many of us killed. In fact, the only clue which actually led to a mafia death was the blatantly obvious one for to miss the mark. However, I'm going to go with the fact that he publically stated that he was a Paramedic and was expecting to die. However, he still isn't dead. And, coincidentally, NO ONE HAS RECEIVED PARAMEDIC PROTECTION. I would believe him if he publically announced who he was going to protect, but there has been no such announcement. And what do we get? An "accidental" death of our detective. Way to go. Of course, it is entirely possible that the mafia just didn't kill him so we suspect him. ...but I don't think that's very likely at all. I vote for Live2Win That's not true. I protected Alventine the first night. Before he came out and said he was a detective, (the 3rd night) he PM'd me and ask for parametic protection. That night I protected him, because this was the night I told you all I'd protect anyone who asked for it. Night 4 I was going to protect him again, when I made this really fucked up mistake. You see in Alventine's "I'm a detective" post that this was true. "So, that is what i have done the last 3 day/nights. I asked Live2Win to protect me tonight, but nobody targeted me (as i did not receive a pm if he protected me successfully, so im assuming i was not targeted) I am going to use my day/night 4 role later to determine more information, but we need to rule out people that we know are townies." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66251¤tpage=113#2254 I realize this doesn't prove my innocence, as I could have been pretending to protect Alventine the 3rd night and then had the mafia kill him on the 4th night (assuming I am mafia).... but why would I announce that I DID NOT protect him that night? Why would I dig my own grave? | ||
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On March 01 2008 10:08 Unforgiven_ve wrote: im 100% sure L2W or Tracil are mafia. my vote goes to Live2WIn I don't see how you can be 100% sure either of us are mafia. I obviously know I'm not mafia, but I don't suspect Tracil to being mafia. Guys, if I do get lynched tonight, PLEASE DO NOT START LYNCHING TRACIL WITHOUT GOOD REASON. THAT IS WHAT THE MAFIA WANTS. Unforgiven, I've been suspicious of you for awhile now. Explain the reason why you are 100% sure one of us are mafia. Because to me this sounds like a mafia trying to ensure the town lynching two townies over two days, giving the mafia a HUGE advantage. | ||
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On March 01 2008 11:06 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: Live2Win is Mafia! i know it because the letters in his name are red [/sarcasm] But I was a blue letter when the game started! This means I am the paramedic I announced myself to be! | ||
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On March 01 2008 11:37 Live2Win wrote: I don't see how you can be 100% sure either of us are mafia. I obviously know I'm not mafia, but I don't suspect Tracil to being mafia. Guys, if I do get lynched tonight, PLEASE DO NOT START LYNCHING TRACIL WITHOUT GOOD REASON. THAT IS WHAT THE MAFIA WANTS. Unforgiven, I've been suspicious of you for awhile now. Explain the reason why you are 100% sure one of us are mafia. Because to me this sounds like a mafia trying to ensure the town lynching two townies over two days, giving the mafia a HUGE advantage. this plus the reasons stated by others, I vote to lynch unforgiven_ve | ||
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If one of our vigilantes get a kill tonight the vote count will go down to 4! That will be pretty freaking amazing. | ||
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On March 03 2008 02:02 Empyrean wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm only posting this because I'm almost positive I'm going to be killed this night. I'd request for Live2Win to protect me tonight publicly. If he is a paramedic, then I'll be safe this night and we'll all know he is actually a paramedic. nemY is still voting for NotSorry. I have no clue why. He also posted, somewhat jokingly, that Unforgiven_ve shouldn't have been a mafia member. I have a few doubts as to what he may be. He seems to really like accusing other people on the stupidest of clues. Keep in mind, all the clues we've used so far have been blatant. To miss the mark's name was basically dropped inside a clue, as well as unforgiven's "You won't be forgiven". All of his wild accusations basically just cause townies to go against each other, which is EXACTLY WHAT THE MAFIA WANT. It's pretty obvious that the "You won't be forgiven" clue doesn't point to NotSorry, as it was directed at unforgiven. I don't really suspect NotSorry at the moment. So why would nemY still vote for someone who's pretty much confirmed not to be a mafioso? Now, of the fifteen people who voted for Unforgiven, keep in mind that it is entirely possible that some mafia members would vote for him in order to cast aside suspicion. Once they saw that Unforgiven was basically destined to be lynched, they quickly voted for him. Thus, I have some suspicion about some of the people who voted at the last minute or changed their vote to Unforgiven. Maybe after the fifth or so vote? In case anyone tries to use this against me, keep in mind that I was one of the first people to vote for Unforgiven. I've always held a sneaking suspicion of Falcynn, though it's not based on really anything. Most of it is from the clue that deals with "prey", though I admit it's a pretty bad clue. He's not really on my watch list at the moment, though, as he has a pretty consistent voting record for the townies. Fen has suddenly become very active recently, which I think is because of the townies actually making a comeback. He probably gave up earlier and just decided to come back. I don't really suspect him at all, but anything's possible. HotZhot we know is an elder. Live2Win, I'm hoping is a paramedic. I'm hoping that my public request for protection'll go answered tonight. If I don't die, then I'm just pretty much sure that Live2Win is a medic. This is good, since an active paramedic is certainly a great boon for our town. Has HotZhot confirmed his position yet? I recently sent HotZhot a PM with my mafia role in it, but he hasn't replied. If there were a detective alive, I'd ask him to verify my role :/ For paramedic strategy, I think we should have one paramedic protecting HotZhot at all times. So for the other paramedics besides Live2Win, it would be wise to protect the only confirmed "special" townie we have. Finally, I suspect zdd, if only for the clue about the pale hand. He's been countering his accusations, though, and seems like a concerned member of the town. He's second on my watch list. Summary: my suspicions = nemY and zdd. If anyone has the same thoughts, please post them. If anyone has contrary opinions, please post them too. It's best for the town's interest to stir up debate, as mafia members'll probably reveal themselves. EDIT: Fixed something minor. Check the timestamps to ensure that I didn't change my post in response to someone else's. I already sent in my PM to protect HotZhot I could change it, but maybe one of the other two medics could protect you? | ||
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After a vicious hydra vs speedzeal battle (and a sneaky dt with like 10+ drone kills) Live2Win emerged victor with macro that makes JaeDong cringe (lol w/e). Beaten, nemY reveals himself to be townie. Now the question is, was nemY man enough to keep his word, or did the scum inside him strip him of his honor? Only time will tell. Anyways I think we should push back nemY for now, and try to get others. If he flips scum then I'll ban him for lying to me! | ||
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He glanced at the gas and realized too late that he was low on gas... dangerously low. 10 miles... if only his Hyundai Accent could hold on for 10 miles.... but it couldn't. With a sickening stuttering noise the 2-door'd car came to a slow halt. L2W flew open the door and dashed down the road. He wasn't going to let a few miles prevent him from getting there. He had let the town of Liquidia down before. Revealing himself as paramedic before an angry town ready to hang him, Live2Win was able to convince his fellow Liquidians of his innocence, only to crush it the very same night for failing to protect the town's proven elder, Alventine. But through some miraculous event, Live2Win was spared once again by the town of Liquidia, as the town instead hung a man who was uncovered to be mafia. L2W had rejoyced with the town, but he knew, that once the party was over they would turn their eyes back at him... mercy was hard to come by in these times. Something needed to be done. And this was it. Chuiu, the man in charge of all things. Some call him god, others call him the master, but what is certain is that without Chuiu, Liquidia and mafia alike would be no more. During the night Chuiu had fallen ill of a painful kidney stone, and that is where Live2Win saw the opportunity. Determined to regain the trust of his fellow townies, Live2Win answered to the call for a paramedic and dashed off to save Chuiu, as well as his own reputation. The burning sensation crept up from the soles of his shoes. His feet were on fire and he was sweating like never before. But he could not stop. Chuiu was in agonizing pain, and Live2Win needed to be there for him... and for himself. Ignoring the blazing heat burning his body and the dust stinging his eyes, Live2Win finally saw what he had hoped to see.... his destination. Panting and heaving, Live2Win dragged his body to the doorstep, rang the doorbell and waited, crouched over with his hands on his knees for support. The door opened and Live2Win spoke before the man, "I got.... here as... fast as I can. Paramedic here.... to look after.....you.". He was too tired to even look up at Chuiu, so he just waited for him to invite him in. "Live2Win? What are you doing here?". Live2Win froze. Something was not right. He'd heard this voice before..... he looked up, and horror was in his eyes as he exclaimed, "NOT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Tracil stood there with a puzzled face, as Live2Win collapsed to the floor. | ||
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On March 05 2008 11:07 CDRdude wrote: That's because Live2Win isn't actually giving you oxycodone, he's faking it because he's a mafioso :-) read my story sir! I oxycodone were the least of my worries. | ||
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2 vigilantes dead? There's no way this is a coincidence. Information HAD to be leaked some way. | ||
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Before I begin stating my opinion on who to lynch, let me first bring out my latest defense. You guys all know what I've said before, so I can't go and say it again. So instead I'll turn to recent events. Please turn your attention to our last lynch. Unforgiven_ve was lynched and uncovered as mafia. Before he was lynched, he put out a defense. + Show Spoiler [nested quote] + On February 26 2008 08:39 Unforgiven_ve wrote: To alventeni, i like the idea of an Active Detective (FINALY YAY!) but you need to put a better use on your skill. 3 days and not even figured out a mafia is weak .i dont see how "stabbing a lot" points to "Unforgiven" and my little bunny ;D (FYI i uploaded the image few days ago AFTER the begining of the game, Day 2 i think or 3?, maybe an Admin or Mod. can comfirn this?)...but you got my vote about the other clues except randombum! he got a point there. now...do you remember how chicken´ was suspicious of L2W? and Voila! he's dead now, L2W says he's a doctor, but he hasnt saved anyone in all 3 days. and we got Tracil , not using his power a single time, not saying anything, not saving or beloved mayor, etc etc. but we should let him alive for a couple days more and see what happens, maybe we can put a good use to his power. nemy & NotSorry, keep pointing each other playfully, maybe they both are mafias so, My vote is for Live2Win + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2008 10:08 Unforgiven_ve wrote: im 100% sure L2W or Tracil are mafia. my vote goes to Live2WIn That's two nights in a row the man tried to get me lynched and killed. He also tried to get Tracil lynched a few times too. And in the last quote, he says he is 100% sure L2W or Tracil are mafia, meaning he is trying get us BOTH lynched. (ie, if we are both townies, and he convinces the town that one of us are mafia, he can get us to lynch one one day, and when he's found innocent the other gets lynched. Fortunately we didn't fall in his trap, and lynched him instead) And to prove that he wasn't "hiding me by jumping on the bandwagon" I made this reply to his post. On March 01 2008 11:37 Live2Win wrote: I don't see how you can be 100% sure either of us are mafia. I obviously know I'm not mafia, but I don't suspect Tracil to being mafia. Guys, if I do get lynched tonight, PLEASE DO NOT START LYNCHING TRACIL WITHOUT GOOD REASON. THAT IS WHAT THE MAFIA WANTS. Unforgiven, I've been suspicious of you for awhile now. Explain the reason why you are 100% sure one of us are mafia. Because to me this sounds like a mafia trying to ensure the town lynching two townies over two days, giving the mafia a HUGE advantage. This I think prove that was are NOT ON THE SAME TEAM. Since we know unforgiven was mafia, wouldn't that work in my defense? Next post will be regarding who I want to lynch. | ||
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On March 09 2008 14:24 Caller wrote: of course you may have realized this in advance and ordered him to point at you to exonerate you. We're doomed anywyas we might as well figure somethings out early. First of all, I don't think we're so doomed. We're on a tight string. If we can get the mafia killing power down to 4 very soon, we can still win. Remember, with each night passing by, and the mafia killing the townies, we have a better percent chance of hitting a mafia during the lynch. Second, that would make sense if he voted for me while he was getting lynched. But it was ME who was getting lynched first, then as I put out a defense and people turned their attention to other clues, they came around to Romance_ve and started lynching him. It wouldn't make sense to have him vote against me to save me, when there was no real reason why he would get lynched. And, he voted to lynch me TWICE in a row. | ||
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On March 09 2008 14:40 Dapperdan wrote: Yeah maybe we'll just not let you play next game since you plan on posting non-stop after you die and trying to instigate. :/ Like I said before, I'm allowing dead people to post as long as they don't directly effect the game. He's not pointing out clues or trying to save someone. To me what he's doing is ok. He only made one post before that I did not find appropriate for a dead person, and I editted that out (and he agreed too) and also made a copy of the post and sent it to Chuiu incase he thought otherwise. | ||
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On March 09 2008 04:37 Empyrean wrote: Hey guys: read the following clue: "As randombum ran, he could hear the man from behind him yell, "I'll save you! I promise!" with a hideously evil laugh following. It was at this time that randombum realized his own fate." To me, this sounds like Live2Win. Remember? He's promising to save us townies with his paramedic power, but never quite succeeds in doing it (because he's not a paramedic). Remember how he said he'd save our detective, alventenie? He promised to protect him. And how did that go? Right. He was probably laughing behind his monitor as alventenie revealed his detective secrets under the supposition that Live2Win was protecting him, only to be murdered the following night as the mafia probably realized they were about to be figured out (especially with the 5/9 clue). Any counters, L2W? EDIT for a little content, above. To ensure I didn't edit the post in response to anyone else, please verify the timestamps. Yes, though a weak one. However I do have a different candidate for the same clue, which will be posted in a separate post. For my defense, Chuiu had stated before that he would use clues that point to a person. I could see how this could point to my character, but it does not point to my account. What I mean is, his clues has always pointed towards a person's ID, quote, picture or signature. But your interpretation of this clue points to my action, not my ID... something that Chuiu doesn't do. Now I'll admit that's not a very strong defense, so hopefully my post where I accuse someone else will me convince you of my innocense. | ||
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On February 28 2008 00:28 Alventenie wrote: Tracil - 9 ZaplinG Southlight Fen Falcynn SiZ.FaNtAsY zdd MyHeroNoob Fact: Currently, 3 of these are mafia I am giving Falcynn the benefit of the doubt. He has come to both Tracil (who I believe to be innocent) and my defense a few times. This leads me to believe Falcynn is safe, because if he was mafia, he would add to the flame and try to get either me or Tracil lynched. Instead he picked out clues that lead to lynching a mafia. And he didn't bandwagon jump either. If you look at the post, he was the 3rd to vote for unforgiven to be lynched. If it was mafia jumping on board, then he would be on of the last. So my list looks like this: Tracil - 9 ZaplinG Southlight Fen SiZ.FaNtAsY zdd MyHeroNoob 3/6 of these are mafia to me. That's 50% chance of getting a mafia, on RANDOM CHANCE. Here's the other list from Alventine's post: FakeSteve[TPR] - 11 Live2Win Southlight demonic_phate dancefayedance!~ dinmsab 1/5 is mafia. To me, it is 1/4 since I know I am medic... and hopefully you will too after my defense. Now, let's look at Day 6 clues: + Show Spoiler [clazziquai] + Clazziquai was sound asleep as the cold night persisted. He then began to dream fantastical dreams. His thoughts were not random, but rather quite the contrary. He found himself to be in a vast field. Mountains protruded the landscape in the distance. It was snowing heavily, however there was no snow on the ground. Every time a flake touched the green grass that covered the earth, it dissolved instantly. Clazziquai looked to the sky only to see a glorious sun and not a cloud or mark of fog in sight. As he changed his view from the sky to ground level it appeared to snow only heavier. A wind arose and the precipitation moved through the air at a much more horizontal pace. Clazziquai began to walk forward, although he was not yet aware of his destination. As he continued, he began to hasten his pace in hopes of some direction. Yet, the faster he moved forward, the more blurred his surroundings appeared. He could hear thunder permeating the air. He saw no lightning. And suddenly, he realized only a short valley lay between him and the foot of a majestic mountain. He stopped for only a moment, but when he decided to move forward once more, his wishes were not granted. Five feet of snow now encompassed his being and lay upon what seemed like the entirety of the earth due to his limited view. He wriggled and writhed in attempts to free himself from the glacial tomb that now began to form. In admittance of his failure, he stopped moving. And now what had been flurrying snow over the last few moments transitioned to hazardous hail. Throughout the experience clazziquai felt his circumstances to be real, and he felt the most tragic emotions in his evident demise. But yet, in view was another man on the horizon; a man riding on a snowmobile speedily approached. Clazziquai yelled with joy, and called for help elatedly. He assumed the man coming was his savior. Gradually though, clazziquai was less and less inclined to have faith in the path that his supposed savior traveled. He was now neck deep in a thick snow and only held onto hope to keep his sense aligned. But inevitably, his senses dissipated as the snowmobile savior took too straight and too fast a line to safely procure clazziquai from the snow. Directly on line for clazziquai's head at top speed, he continued forward; the savior was but a slayer. Clazziquai woke up in a frantic state. His limbs moved especially freely; they felt as if they had just been weighed down for a long while. His teeth shattered; he felt abnormally cold for what he could see on a nearby thermometer was a moderate night. Clazziquai noticed his head felt unusually detached in a moment just there after. Someone with the power to make dreams all too real ended clazziquai's life on this night. I'd like to emphasize on the last part. "Power to make dreams all too real"... Clazziquai seemed to have a crazy dream here, much like a.... FANTASY. This clue leads me believe it's pointing at SiZ.FaNtAsY. + Show Spoiler [Goldenkrnboi] + Goldenkrnboi found his home in his basement on this night. He walked in circles feverishly. His almost-robotic, and precise killer, which the town had previously known, waited, crouched in the darkness. Another killer peered through a window looking down into the pitch. With their means prepared, the mafia sprung. Goldenkrnboi was not at all prepared as bullets began their firing at his feet. He hopped and jumped around hectically, even though the thoughts already entered his mind that he was already a dead man. He tapped and trotted in his attempts to dodge the ill-angled bullets. All the while the other predator moved in closer. He slashed the victim at the ankles. He then made the deadly incision in goldenkrnboi's upper back. This man undoubtedly had the makings of a successful prototype model for a cold-hearted killer. The mafia seems to have a special liking of his feet. They shoot at it, and then take a swipe at his ankles. When you think feet, you think the bottom part, below, under.... SOUTH? A bit far-fetched, but this has me suspicious of Southlight. + Show Spoiler [randombum] + Swimmers could now be heard crossing the river, and randombum knew he was trapped. He rose to his feet and ran in the opposite direction of the man in the white coat along side the river with all his speed and might. One mafia was able to stay on his tail. As randombum ran, he could hear the man from behind him yell, "I'll save you! I promise!" with a hideously evil laugh following. It was at this time that randombum realized his own fate. He was exhausted as the term allowed. He could not outrun his chaser, and he was tackled from behind viciously in a matter of time. He was unhesitatingly choked until he could breath no more. But yet, in view was another man on the horizon; a man riding on a snowmobile speedily approached. Clazziquai yelled with joy, and called for help elatedly. He assumed the man coming was his savior. Gradually though, clazziquai was less and less inclined to have faith in the path that his supposed savior traveled. He was now neck deep in a thick snow and only held onto hope to keep his sense aligned. But inevitably, his senses dissipated as the snowmobile savior took too straight and too fast a line to safely procure clazziquai from the snow. Directly on line for clazziquai's head at top speed, he continued forward; the savior was but a slayer. The second quote is from clazziquai's death. Many have thought this pointed to me. I've explained my defense in a previous, so I'll instead try to point at someone else from the list. MyHeroNoob. If you think about, it's pretty obvious. Both situations he is suppose to be the "savior", the "hero"... but he turns out to be mafia. Also, it matches with the trend of previous hints. Hints have usually referred to someone's ID or signature, not their actions or posts. This leads me to point my finger at MyHeroNoob. Now my next and last one goes all the way back to Day 1. + Show Spoiler [Day 1 & 2] + Chuiu had just finished writing his speech to be given out the following morning in the town square before the time for festivities of love when he heard the terrible roar of noise and footsteps. Evening fell on Liquidia and this Valentines day was one not to be forgotten. These two clues had us looking at Valentine and Romance_us. I put this aside for awhile, but I think it is time to look at it against since Romance_us is now dead, and flipped townie. <hr> So who do I vote for then? The mafia likes to bandwagon and lynch a fellow mafia who they know is going down to save their ass. So let's take a look at the mafias who we know got lynched. Unforgiven_ve - 15 Fen Vharox MyHeroNoob Live2Win dancefayedance!~ zdd Eti307 Of this list, MyHeroNoob and zdd both were the last few to vote for Unforgiven_ve, and are on the list of suspects. Meanwhile, southlight was on both FakeSteve's and Tracil's list. He also has a clue here that points to him, in my opinion. So my top suspects: MyHeroNoob zdd southlight valentine I vote to lynch MyHeroNoob | ||
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All right, that's enough. Shallow[bay] is generally posting without directly effecting the game. You're not even in the game and you're just kindling a small fight that has nothing to do with development of the game. This stops now. | ||
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cmon people let's make an epic comeback? | ||
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To be honest, most of what I post make logical sense, and if take a careful look I think most of you'd agree. | ||
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On March 10 2008 05:05 Empyrean wrote: The problem is, most of the arguments against you make logical sense as well. It's entirely possible that you're just doing some of the things you are to try and shift blame away from yourself. If it does turn out that you're townie, though, whomever you suspect will pretty much be under intense scrutiny. Since that's the case, I'd just recommend posting a "last will" of sorts while you're still alive. If you're townie, in death you'll be vindicated. Of course I'm doing this to take blame away, that's obvious whether I'm a townie or mafia. I'm still trying to get this game together, because I believe we still have hope. But if we waste a lynch on me, then our chances will probably drop drastically, especially with no vigilantes. I can counter most of these "arguments" with reason. Alventine's Death: Makes no sense if I was a townie. 1) why would I reveal my mistake if I was mafia? If I was mafia under fake alias, I would have Alventine killed, but have the town believe I tried to protect them, since after all, Chuiu said paramedics don't die even if their targets die. What would I gain by revealing my mistake? On the other hand, if I was a townie this was a MUST DO. Because I made the mistake by messaging Tracil, who had stated before that he would post all PMs that were sent to him. I feared that if he posted it before I did, then it would seem like I was trying to do something underhanded. To avoid that I decided to put it out myself. I knew people would still stay suspicious, but it was for damage control. Needle Clue: My only defense for this is that the needle does not do what stim does. The stim make is a "stimulant drug" which does just that, stimulates the muscles and mind of the victim. On the other hand this drug does nothing of the sort. It simply does all sorts of different things to them... Of course, one could argue that stim does take your life away, which is the similar effect in the clues, except there's no "stimulant" effect explained, which is the primary reaction to stimpack. "I'll save you, I promise!": I explained this before. This makes more sense if you point at MyHeroNoob than me. Especially because the clue follows previous patterns, which is that it directly relates to their name. On the other hand, the relation to me is my action and my post history, not my ID, profile or signature. On top of that, MyHeroNoob is on the list of possible mafias provied by Alventine, AND he's one of the last few who voted to lynch Unforgiven_ve, which could mean he was bandwagoning to make him look innocent. Uh.... what else is there? | ||
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are you the one who bitched about me editting Shallow's post because he crossed the line? I PM'd Chuiu the same message and he said it was all right that I removed it. But yes, I guess I missed that. Then w/e, lynch me. | ||
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I still want to know why no mafia went after me. Also a suggestion for the next game. We should have a "standby list", and when those who are participating go inactive, we switch the people. For example, if a mafia goes inactive, Chuiu sends them a warning message, and if they don't respond or reply that they don't have time to play the game, Chuiu will eject that person and add someone else from the "standby list" to replace them, taking their role. (the town will be informed of the switch, but without their roles being revealed, obviously) | ||
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On March 09 2008 15:51 Live2Win wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Long ass reasoning] + On February 28 2008 00:28 Alventenie wrote: Tracil - 9 ZaplinG Southlight Fen Falcynn SiZ.FaNtAsY zdd MyHeroNoob Fact: Currently, 3 of these are mafia I am giving Falcynn the benefit of the doubt. He has come to both Tracil (who I believe to be innocent) and my defense a few times. This leads me to believe Falcynn is safe, because if he was mafia, he would add to the flame and try to get either me or Tracil lynched. Instead he picked out clues that lead to lynching a mafia. And he didn't bandwagon jump either. If you look at the post, he was the 3rd to vote for unforgiven to be lynched. If it was mafia jumping on board, then he would be on of the last. So my list looks like this: Tracil - 9 ZaplinG Southlight Fen SiZ.FaNtAsY zdd MyHeroNoob 3/6 of these are mafia to me. That's 50% chance of getting a mafia, on RANDOM CHANCE. Here's the other list from Alventine's post: FakeSteve[TPR] - 11 Live2Win Southlight demonic_phate dancefayedance!~ dinmsab 1/5 is mafia. To me, it is 1/4 since I know I am medic... and hopefully you will too after my defense. Now, let's look at Day 6 clues: + Show Spoiler [clazziquai] + Clazziquai was sound asleep as the cold night persisted. He then began to dream fantastical dreams. His thoughts were not random, but rather quite the contrary. He found himself to be in a vast field. Mountains protruded the landscape in the distance. It was snowing heavily, however there was no snow on the ground. Every time a flake touched the green grass that covered the earth, it dissolved instantly. Clazziquai looked to the sky only to see a glorious sun and not a cloud or mark of fog in sight. As he changed his view from the sky to ground level it appeared to snow only heavier. A wind arose and the precipitation moved through the air at a much more horizontal pace. Clazziquai began to walk forward, although he was not yet aware of his destination. As he continued, he began to hasten his pace in hopes of some direction. Yet, the faster he moved forward, the more blurred his surroundings appeared. He could hear thunder permeating the air. He saw no lightning. And suddenly, he realized only a short valley lay between him and the foot of a majestic mountain. He stopped for only a moment, but when he decided to move forward once more, his wishes were not granted. Five feet of snow now encompassed his being and lay upon what seemed like the entirety of the earth due to his limited view. He wriggled and writhed in attempts to free himself from the glacial tomb that now began to form. In admittance of his failure, he stopped moving. And now what had been flurrying snow over the last few moments transitioned to hazardous hail. Throughout the experience clazziquai felt his circumstances to be real, and he felt the most tragic emotions in his evident demise. But yet, in view was another man on the horizon; a man riding on a snowmobile speedily approached. Clazziquai yelled with joy, and called for help elatedly. He assumed the man coming was his savior. Gradually though, clazziquai was less and less inclined to have faith in the path that his supposed savior traveled. He was now neck deep in a thick snow and only held onto hope to keep his sense aligned. But inevitably, his senses dissipated as the snowmobile savior took too straight and too fast a line to safely procure clazziquai from the snow. Directly on line for clazziquai's head at top speed, he continued forward; the savior was but a slayer. Clazziquai woke up in a frantic state. His limbs moved especially freely; they felt as if they had just been weighed down for a long while. His teeth shattered; he felt abnormally cold for what he could see on a nearby thermometer was a moderate night. Clazziquai noticed his head felt unusually detached in a moment just there after. Someone with the power to make dreams all too real ended clazziquai's life on this night. I'd like to emphasize on the last part. "Power to make dreams all too real"... Clazziquai seemed to have a crazy dream here, much like a.... FANTASY. This clue leads me believe it's pointing at SiZ.FaNtAsY. + Show Spoiler [Goldenkrnboi] + Goldenkrnboi found his home in his basement on this night. He walked in circles feverishly. His almost-robotic, and precise killer, which the town had previously known, waited, crouched in the darkness. Another killer peered through a window looking down into the pitch. With their means prepared, the mafia sprung. Goldenkrnboi was not at all prepared as bullets began their firing at his feet. He hopped and jumped around hectically, even though the thoughts already entered his mind that he was already a dead man. He tapped and trotted in his attempts to dodge the ill-angled bullets. All the while the other predator moved in closer. He slashed the victim at the ankles. He then made the deadly incision in goldenkrnboi's upper back. This man undoubtedly had the makings of a successful prototype model for a cold-hearted killer. The mafia seems to have a special liking of his feet. They shoot at it, and then take a swipe at his ankles. When you think feet, you think the bottom part, below, under.... SOUTH? A bit far-fetched, but this has me suspicious of Southlight. + Show Spoiler [randombum] + Swimmers could now be heard crossing the river, and randombum knew he was trapped. He rose to his feet and ran in the opposite direction of the man in the white coat along side the river with all his speed and might. One mafia was able to stay on his tail. As randombum ran, he could hear the man from behind him yell, "I'll save you! I promise!" with a hideously evil laugh following. It was at this time that randombum realized his own fate. He was exhausted as the term allowed. He could not outrun his chaser, and he was tackled from behind viciously in a matter of time. He was unhesitatingly choked until he could breath no more. But yet, in view was another man on the horizon; a man riding on a snowmobile speedily approached. Clazziquai yelled with joy, and called for help elatedly. He assumed the man coming was his savior. Gradually though, clazziquai was less and less inclined to have faith in the path that his supposed savior traveled. He was now neck deep in a thick snow and only held onto hope to keep his sense aligned. But inevitably, his senses dissipated as the snowmobile savior took too straight and too fast a line to safely procure clazziquai from the snow. Directly on line for clazziquai's head at top speed, he continued forward; the savior was but a slayer. The second quote is from clazziquai's death. Many have thought this pointed to me. I've explained my defense in a previous, so I'll instead try to point at someone else from the list. MyHeroNoob. If you think about, it's pretty obvious. Both situations he is suppose to be the "savior", the "hero"... but he turns out to be mafia. Also, it matches with the trend of previous hints. Hints have usually referred to someone's ID or signature, not their actions or posts. This leads me to point my finger at MyHeroNoob. Now my next and last one goes all the way back to Day 1. + Show Spoiler [Day 1 & 2] + Chuiu had just finished writing his speech to be given out the following morning in the town square before the time for festivities of love when he heard the terrible roar of noise and footsteps. Evening fell on Liquidia and this Valentines day was one not to be forgotten. These two clues had us looking at Valentine and Romance_us. I put this aside for awhile, but I think it is time to look at it against since Romance_us is now dead, and flipped townie. <hr> So who do I vote for then? The mafia likes to bandwagon and lynch a fellow mafia who they know is going down to save their ass. So let's take a look at the mafias who we know got lynched. Unforgiven_ve - 15 Fen Vharox MyHeroNoob Live2Win dancefayedance!~ zdd Eti307 Of this list, MyHeroNoob and zdd both were the last few to vote for Unforgiven_ve, and are on the list of suspects. Meanwhile, southlight was on both FakeSteve's and Tracil's list. He also has a clue here that points to him, in my opinion. MyHeroNoob zdd southlight valentine I vote to lynch MyHeroNoob 3 out of 4 of these guys were actually Mafia!!! ARGHGHH!!! | ||
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