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Anyways I vote Tracil for Mayor | ||
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Talented people should make a flash/java/web version for a game like this. The pace would be a lot faster and I could play it all night The pace we have now is going to take up to a week to finish one game. I remember like 6-7 years back, the Japanese made a web based game on Battle Royale. People would sign up to play for a couple hours; It was fun as hell as you can do all the stuff like in the movie such as killing other people and fight for your survival. Tons of people would rush to sign up game after game since there was a player cap. I would totally worship that person for life if he could make my fantasy come true. Haha | ||
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Basically the whole period from initiate to finish. | ||
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I want something to do besides waiting for my death! Can I suicide? like lynch myself? | ||
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On February 14 2008 06:16 ZaplinG wrote: try to find out who is mafia with the rest of us! Well like I said before, take out Tracil and Fakesteve, and all of Fakesteve's followers. You can take me out in the process since I want to lynch myself, and my death wouldn't matter to the big picture anyways. Take out Tracil and Fakesteve's Council and victory will be ours! | ||
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I need to cast in my vote for the lynch! If I'm still alive that is. Also is there a specific TL time for day and night, or you just come in to move things along when you think it is appropriate? | ||
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On February 14 2008 07:34 KF91 wrote: It's not day yet (He hasn't posted the Day post yet) And I think he advances the day/night when everyone votes or after like 2 days (for day) and I don't know the limit for the night. Oh I know he didn't post yet. I was just wondering if it is going to be day yet, because I'm eager to know what happens next | ||
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On February 14 2008 14:20 Live2Win wrote: Since the night is coming close to an end, I think I'll share my thoughts (after observing for about 20 pages... holy shit guys, it's only been 1 mafia day and we're already at 53 pages). I'm not going to share all of my thoughts, for obvious reasons... so tonight, incase I die, I will direct my mind on our newly elected mayor. As with Tracil and many others, I suspect FakeSteve to be a mafioso. My reasoning, however, lies less with his actions before and after he became more, but more with the interactions of others. I first suspected FS during his campaign.. or rather, lack there-of. How many posts did FakeSteve make to campaign himself for mayor? Almost none. Yet he won the election. On the other hand our Pardoner, Tracil put a lot out there. He really shared his thoughts and gave out tips. Of course I initial pointed that as a suspicious move, but at this point I admit that my suspicion of Tracil has subsided substantially. Yet even with all of his, "campaigning" he just barely scraped in 13 votes. (Although that probably has a lot to do with my "don't trust Tracil" speech). Back to FakeSteve. There are two explanations as to why FS has gotten so many votes while doing virtually nothing. First is the obvious: FS is a mafia. If FS is a mafia then a good majority of his votes would be mafia's, which would, as stated earlier, explain why such little campaigning was needed. This makes sense to me because if FS's name was included in the list of mafia's, then it is obvious that he would play the role as "leader" of the mafia. It fits his nature, his position in TLnet, and most of all his character. The second explanation is the one that has been taken up by many of FS's voters. They vote FS because.... he's FS. He's a well-known rekrul-like figure at TLnet. He has a status at TLnet, much higher above the other candidates. This fact alone could easily explain why FS got so many votes. But to be honest, the second explanation doesn't make as much sense as the first. Would so many people really vote FS without giving it a second thought.... because he's FS? If FS was mafia, then him getting mayor powers would be extremely dangerous... more so because he's FS. This inclines me to believe that people would be MORE CAUTIOUS of voting for FakeSteve, rather than EAGER to vote for him. These voter's rather light approach to putting a potentially danergous man in office has me question their motives. If these voters were mafias, it would make sense. Also, a have a small list of suspects. I compared my list to the people who voted in the election... and guess what, a good chunk of them voted for FakeSteve. Now, FakeSteve is a smart man (all the more reason why he would fit the role of "leader of mafia"). He has given plausible explanations as to his actions after his election, and has thrown out information to get people to think before they accuse him. And because of this, most my suspicion, as I stated before, comes from the people around FakeSteve, and not FakeSteve himself. Thus it should be noted that I could be completely wrong. We think alike Although I'm way too lazy to word out everything like you If you look back at one of my posts, I mentioned lynching Tracil, Fakesteve, and all of Fakesteve's followers. Tracil is up there on my list not just only for shits and giggles, but we are able to make sure that neither our Mayor and our Pardoner are Mafia. We take out the 2 main guys with considerate power; They might not be Mafia yes, but is it worth the risk? As for Fakesteve's followers, I think you already explained that part for me already Another reason is I like doing crazy things. If it wasn't for the rules, I would be the town physco for sure, Haha. Hope you aren't a Mafia and pulling my leg here L2W, but if you die, that make us allies for sure | ||
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On February 14 2008 16:14 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: hahaha cool, yes it really is my birthday Ooo you're only 10 days apart from my brother's birthday, same year... and you're an Oiler fan too... That makes us cousins! | ||
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On February 14 2008 23:38 chicken` wrote: fakesteve's followers.. sounds like a dark cult or something where all the members wear black robes and hoods and worship the evil dark stevelord aiming for world domination just my two cents *puts on his black hood and floats away into the darkness again* edit: where=wear Hey, I'm the phsyco after all, right?! | ||
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If the Mafias were not trying to mislead us, then the following statement would be true. Two Mafias went after Mahnini, which means they believed Mahnini is either a Veteran or watched over by a Paramedic. In this case, I would say Veteran because Mahnini has no reason to be watched over by a Paramedic whatsoever. Of course they turned out to be wrong, but what does it mean?! What made them think that way?! I haven't think too much yet as I just woke up, but just wanted to point this part out My suggestion for now is to go for double lynch and take out two people from the general consensus. Then our "Vigilante" should take out two more from the following list, or whoever you think that is more appropriate. It's not that hard On February 16 2008 15:41 Yogurt wrote: my immidiate reads on the day: 1.Water was now boiling on the stove. betaben was clearly disillusioned as he woke up. NeoIllusions 2. This man had no intentions of absolving himself stealing sleeping bags was not the worst he had prepared. ?Drowsy 3.this Valentines day Valentine is playing. Romance_us is also playing. can't find any clues really in mahnini's death 4. The powers overseeing did not have first-rate plans for the residents of Krohms house on this night randombum? Other things to note: -second time someone has stepped out of the "darkness" may add more later If all goes well, we should be able to cut down half of the Mafia count... Oh, and I do think the clues on "Valentines day" is somewhat strong, although we do have two choices. | ||
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On February 17 2008 02:21 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: I think you're getting a wrong lead on me. I believe clues lie within the way of the killing was made. The killing of mahnini mentions a needle and a strange substance. So i think the killing was made by Dr. Dragoon. Why? if you've read some of the posts mahnini made, there is some evidence pointing Dr.Dragoon as a suspcious character. Even though many people pointed him as mafioso, most did not bring up any evidence. Mahnini was one of the few. Since he didnt post too much i think he was trying to protect himself. Dr.Dragoon could take some heat off him by killing one of his accusers that actually had evidence. By the way, at the beggining of the game i thought Dr.Dragoon was indeed a townie, but he was just way too stupid. So maybe he'd be alive if he didnt argue as much as he did, all he did was bring so much attention to him. After a few pages, he become as much of a suspect of mafia. He hasnt brought any clues to any other guy that is mafia. Maybe because he's dead and wont give away a teammate? Tracil, i voted for SMB because at the beggining of the game, you seemed like really helpful, but after reading L2W posts, i become suspicious of you trying to fool everybody into trusting you, so i could not risk voting you for mayor if you were mafia. SMB seems more like a politician and i thought he was safe. I also am suspicious of fakesteve, because his first lynch was just aimed with revenge. Mafia behaviour is likely. Accuser with evidence -> Dead. However, i dont think that if fakesteve was mafia, he'd let them target one of his bodyguards. L2W was providing very insightful clues, so i figured out he might die to a mafia attack, so i tried to encourage a paramedic to watch him. Also, about the two mafias hitting on one person is not true. There were two mafias, but two targets as well. Some of the tkillings seems so random. I wonder why they were killed. At the moment, im unable to find more clues. Thats my defense i guess. I vote for Dr. Dragoon to be lynched. Dragoon is pretty much dead, and for you, there is not enough evidence to justify me voting for you, therefore I'm not voting for anyone as of now. But if other people want to take you out, I'm OK with it | ||
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On February 17 2008 02:38 Dr.Dragoon wrote: Don't call me stupid. This game is basically the Salem Witch Trials. If someone says you're a witch, GG. Instead, I'll call you stupid for thinking I'm mafia. Also, for the people calling me petty, you guys are ridiculous. Basically you're either petty for voting me because of my attitude, horrible at this game for actually thinking I'm mafia, or you're a mafioso. Well too bad that IS how the game is played. People make their decisions based on what other people say and how they act. You don't have to sign up next round if you are so upset. This is a GAME after all. Edit: After you were accused Mafia, you never countered the accuse. You did not try to explain how the evidence is not pointed towards you, and other reasons why we should not believe you are Mafia. Instead you just went on a rant saying people are dumb, the game is dumb, people are just band wagoning you etc. That doesn't help your case much, does it? RtS)Night[Mare actually had a good long post up top saying why we should believe him, and I do think some people after reading his post would change their minds. Yes there is always a probability of you not being a Mafia, but that, we will find out after you are dead. | ||
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- All the suspects that Yogurt thought of are people who either voted for Fakesteve to become mayor, or people who didn't vote at all. - There is a possibility of 2 people that are related to the "Valentines" clue, but one of them voted for Tracil. That leaves us with one left. But keep in mind the clue itself might mean something totally irrelevant. I mean leaving a "Valentines" clue behind directly related to a person named "Valentine" is a little bit obvious, No? Or the other person might be just an Undercover-Mafia, staying out of our radars. - Like mentioned a couple times already, "A Mafia doesn't need bodyguards". - (Personal Gut Feeling) The majority of people who voted for Fakesteve arn't posting/talking much, with an exception of a couple. Don't want too much attention I guess? Yet again, there are a lot of people not posting too. - I have nothing to lose, kill me please . But clues are going to be left behind when I die. | ||
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If there is going to be a double lynch, it will be Dr. Dragoon and Falcynn Too bad so sad if you are a Townie Edit: Spacing | ||
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He closed the zipper and was complete in the capture of his prey. He then took the liberty of tossing Krohm out the window, and to his death. Falcons mostly "Dive/Drop" from mid-air to hunt their prey. They will sometimes drop their prey while flying to pass it onto another falcon. I just googled some info right now just to make sure... But like I said in my other post above, too bad so sad if you're a Townie. | ||
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On February 17 2008 05:04 Falcynn wrote: bah, my only hope right now is if a detective can check up on that clue and will hopefully try to defend my innocence. Yeah, Chuiu and Dapperdan's choice of words pretty much killed you right there. But you still have a big chance of living if Fakesteve doesn't use his double lynch, since most of the votes are already directed to Dr. Dragoon | ||
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On February 17 2008 05:13 Falcynn wrote: Alright, seriously if people are gonna start accusing me I seriously hope FS puts on double lynch because I don't want Dragoon to get away just because Vharox and Fishball are trying to make me look guilty. Edit; I mean that obviously only if I get a sudden rush of voters and people start changing their dragoon votes to me. You might be innocent, really. But since Dragoon didn't want everyone "Band wagoning" him, I decided to make my vote unique Vharox just brought that up at the wrong time I guess, Haha. Damn I really want to be the Vigilante of the game, so I could kill whoever I want, Mafia or Townie. | ||
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On February 17 2008 05:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: there is overwhelming support for both dr.dragoon and rtsnightmare to die i will exercise the use of one of my double lynches and vote for rtsnightmare (i cant be bothered to look up how those brackets work) with these two dead, townie or mafia, we have the beginning of the end of the mob. if they're both townies, then we know we have some work to do Hmm, I was going to suggest Tracil use one of his pardons for Nightmare, but I guess I'll just sit out and wait on this one. If Nightmare turned out to be a Townie, I think I'm heading at the right direction. If I'm still alive on Day 3 that is. | ||
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On February 17 2008 05:32 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Woah, double lynch already. If I understand this right, the two people with the most votes get lynched? Yes, but I think in this game 1 vote from Fakesteve = 4 votes "increased vote count (depending on the number of people in the game)" | ||
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On February 17 2008 05:52 Caller wrote: I vote for RtS)Night[Mare because Dragoon is obviously going to die anyways. No sense in a wasted vote for him, but now with the double lynch.... ^_^ Caller, hmm sounds familiar... Oh, one of the guys that voted for Fakesteve! | ||
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Dragoon has to be dead, innocent or not I will lay down all my thoughts and conclusions after next "Day". BUT If I die before I can make "Day", lynch Fakesteve, period. | ||
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On February 17 2008 15:19 Tracil wrote: Fishball: Why? If you're gonna tell us to lynch someone, you gotta say why... I'm guessing you did not read ANY of my posts at all in this thread. | ||
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On February 17 2008 15:50 Tracil wrote: I probably did and forgot it was you that said whatever it was. The thread is kinda huge, and with 60+ people playing still... Besides, no harm in reiterating. Not in the mood to do that now, sorry. Been up since 5 am and its 11 pm now... Considering that I've really posted a lot today, and me expecting you as a pardoner should be on top of your game, I thought you already knew what I am talking about. Feel free to read L2W's original suspect post, my response to his post, and all my after thoughts. Searching the term "Fakesteve and his followers" in TL and it should show you most of my posts in this thread. | ||
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On February 17 2008 16:00 Folca wrote: wow, clues really dont help us at all, all we've been doing is killing our own guys, wtf is this Hey, you can always kill me you know | ||
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On February 18 2008 04:34 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Or maybe that's not the reason at all? No point playing the game of words. Lets just lynch you and we'll find out, right or wrong | ||
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Remember the dead and fight for the living... | ||
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But whatever you do, please don't put me as a plain townie, again... | ||
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On February 21 2008 12:25 Live2Win wrote: because I can't save myself? I figured if the Mafia would target anyone in the first night, I would be one of them since I and Tracil talked the most. Tracil became Pardoner so he's safe, but I had no protection. So I asked to be protected. I will admit the very first night I protected ShaLLoW[baY]. This was night #1, when we were all convinced, especially me, that Dr.Dragoon was scum. Imagine how shitty I felt when I found out I wasted a night on a mafia. You should have protected me and I wouldn't have to die Apparently I know to much... or not? Come on guys, pick up the pace. People waiting for second game here! | ||
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Could we possibly use a voting system based on PM's to Chuiu instead? People can talk freely about what/whom they suspect and their thoughts but no public voting. Chuiu can give a list of votes made by the people after lynching. A doable alternative? No? | ||
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On February 25 2008 18:01 dinmsab wrote: The situation right now is getting desperate, and i believe that desperate situation calls for desperate action. Honestly speaking, this just isnt looking good for the townies.. if things carry on like this we ARE going to lose. We outnumber the mafia by 3:1, but the diference in numbers do not mean anything considering how the mafia are organized, while we are not. Im proposing something radical.. I think it IS possible for the townies to actually be organized, not all of us.. but only a small number that matters the most in the game. This small group will only receive orders by a single person who we are sure is a townie, this single person will be the "head" of the group, only he knows the members of the group and is responsible to coordinate and organize each action of its members. So you might be asking, who are the members? how are we going to make sure they are not mafia? Well, this is where this list plays a role. 2 of 3 Vigilante alive. 1 of 2 Detective alive. 4 of 4 Paramedic alive. 2 of 4 Elder alive. 3 of 4 Veteran alive. (i removed pardoner and bodyguards considering they COULD be mafia, correct me if im wrong) Yes, this list the key. These are the only people who are going to make a difference in this game for the townies. Im suggesting that these people will submit their names and roles to the appointed "head". From there this leader will be able to systematically organize and use any information and abilities gained from of its members. So some of you might ask, what if there's undercover mafia claiming any one of these roles? Well, lets say that 5 people claim to be paramedics, we know that there are only 4 paramedics out there , that means that 1 of them is a fake a.k.a mafia. Keep in mind, only the "head" knows all the information, no information is passed among members of the group.. effectively rendering any infiltration useless. Keep in mind, in this scenario the head will know there is a mafia within the paramedic group.. thus is his responsibility to investigate and figure out who is the mafia. Obviously it isnt very smart for the mafia to go undercover in this group since it will only get their names shortlisted. In order to select the "head", i believe it is wise to actually just to random on this.. the chances are still 1/3 that the person randomly selected is a townie, if not.. then we are screwed.. or we could just use a person that we all trust is a townie, which is definitely not wise since at this point, anyone could be mafia. I dont see any other way for the townies to make it out of this... feedback needed ASAP. We need to act fast before the next night comes around. People are still not clear about the rules and settings... why?... and you're not the only one. Pardoner can be Mafia. Bodyguards cannot. | ||
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On February 25 2008 22:29 dinmsab wrote: So once we get a hold of an elder, we probably would want all remaining paramedics available to protect him over the night... but is 4 paramedics enough? : ) Im unclear on this, can anyone explain? Yes it is enough. Unless 5 or more killing power is used on him, which means 10+ Mafias has targeted him | ||
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On February 26 2008 09:12 MidnightGladius wrote: Um, sorry, but I'm not in this game. LMAO joke of the month That's why we townies success! | ||
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I bet this will be a merry day townies. But Mafia's time to strike again... Lets see how good the Vigilantes are | ||
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Which means Mafias doesn't have to be active to be useful, but just to be alive. | ||
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On February 28 2008 13:53 randombum wrote: Jack does seem powerful, but the fact that he can only use one skill at a time limits him. He will likely not be able to use all 6, and if he starts using his detective skill (perhaps the best) he will likely get murdered. Well this is how I would use it. Be a detective one night, fine out who is/are Mafia(s), then switch to Vigilante another night and take them out. If you are smart enough, you can take out all the Mafias by yourself. | ||
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On February 29 2008 00:56 Chuiu wrote: I'm not going to ban anyone for that, I will kick them from the list however. And I don't want to incorporate any lame system forcing every player to post or vote every cycle, especially since some people have lives and can't make it to the computer for one reason or another. What I will do is move special roles from people who have shown themselves to be inactive after Day 2 to players who are active. Also, the mafia has its share of inactive people, so its not as one sided as you might think right now. I hope you give me some super power roles next game | ||
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Uh, what do you mean again. I didn't get any crap this game. | ||
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Vigilantes need to be more accurate/faster with their kills! | ||
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On March 01 2008 01:02 Live2Win wrote: I guess this means paramedics don't die when they protect someone .... cuz I protected Alventine last night. Nope, Paramedics won't die. As long as the killing power that the mafia used is greater than the number of people watching over the target, the target will die. Unless the role Suicide Bomber gets into play, which kills everbody including target and Paramedics. edit: and himself | ||
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On March 01 2008 02:03 Live2Win wrote: SHITTTTTT I made a huge fucking mistake. I got a PM from Chuiu saying he didn't get any PM's from me. I was like wtf so I checked my sent messages and it turns out I PM'd Tracil of my Alventine protection instead of Chuiu. FUCKING SHIT Alventine might have been protected if I didn't make that mistake. I don't know how I ended up doing that ffs. Well this is it. My mistake probably cost us our "leader" detective and I deserve to get lynched for that. My only question is why didn't Tracil PM me back saying I made a mistake, or atleast post the PM publically which is what he said he'd do everytime someone PM'd him. If he just let me know I PM'd him I would have caught my mistake and PM'd Chuiu right away. *Remains neutral with in game comments* Good thing I resisted posting my thoughts and edited this out, even though it was barely worth mentioning. Still, Rules are rules. But wtf L2W | ||
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I was laughing and banging my head at the same time Good thing you realize the flaw now. | ||
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On March 02 2008 17:07 Bockit wrote: It's great that you're getting involved and all, but does it need that many caps? haha... Exactly my thoughts but he is still young | ||
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Argh. Hope this game ends soon so I can play again. | ||
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On March 03 2008 11:30 qrs wrote: Maybe you should edit that post... your call, but it seems like you are giving information to the town. The post was directed to Shallow Bay and his joke. I don't see how clues could be given | ||
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Or not Because all Vigilantes are dead! Seems like it is GG. | ||
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On March 09 2008 04:20 JeeJee wrote: for the next large mafia game i suggest: since mafia #s scale with number of players in the game and since mafia killing power scales with number of players in the game why doesn't town lynching power scale with number of players in the game? think longterm, 280 people 55 mafia, 28 mafia kills daily, but one lynch T_T? Yeah I agree. I wouldn't want to be in a game that takes 3 months to end. Too slow, unexciting, and tiring if you have to read 1000 pages for clues -_- | ||
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At least 2 by default, and an extra 2 by powers of the Mayor. I'm regarding the case of 280 people and 55 mafias ofcourse. | ||
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On March 09 2008 04:26 Falcynn wrote: True, in a way I guess this is sort of offset by vigilantes and double lynches. However this is assuming that the townies use these powers wisely, and if we get way more people next game I don't think this is gonna be enough. Yeah. When there are a lot of people in the game, I can almost assure you that at least 1/3 of the people are either inactive/lazy-to-read-clues-and-analyze-things-themselves/bandwagoners/dumb. | ||
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Townies might have lost this game, but L2W is by far the best player for sure. | ||
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Most of the townies already gave up. Such as "voting for L2W because I'm curious" Oh, and I suggest making it a 24 hours cycle. | ||
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Been aching to do so the whole time. | ||
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Since L2W screwed up early, why would the Mafias waste a kill on him while he would just get lynched by townies? The longer they leave him alive, the more suspicious he becomes. As for the result, it is quite obvious... | ||
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There were 2 clues pointed towards him. Both really vague. Both clues telling you that the clock passed 3 am. (Hint: 307) | ||
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The solution that Fen offered on the Mafia side sounds fair enough and should be considered. | ||
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