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On February 16 2008 15:07 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
You're all voting so fast when we just got a new set of clues. Find something in the clues that points me out. All you're working on is a screenie from shallow and my "attitude"
Ill go with you being Dr.Dragoon (a Dr. or Doctor) using a "strange serum" from your coat jacket. Honestly, why would a randombum know how to make a serum??
I vote Dr.Dragoon to be lynched
On February 16 2008 17:03 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
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On February 16 2008 16:59 Southlight wrote:
I'll still be here giving reminders on how the townies screwed up.
If you have a counter argument as how a strange serum doesn't correlate to you, a Doctor, then by all means present it, otherwise the clue is one of the hardest clues pointed at you, because its a direct clue. Nobody else on the list jumps out at me when i look at it and compare that clue to the list aside from you. If you have a counter argument, present it, otherwise, you are just proving that you are guilty anyway and going to be lynched.
On February 16 2008 18:19 wurm wrote:
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A little more than a few hours later kAra was tossing in his sleep, artofmagic heard him from the next room and came in to see what was wrong.
Looks like a nightmare to me.
Don't forget the part with betaben:
betaben was in the kitchen mixing an alcoholic beverage for his enjoyment and the aid in his hopefully soon coming sleep allowing him to not dread his mind with the thoughts of Mafioso.
Also refers to a nightmare.
I think 2 clues pointing somewhat to RtS)Night[Mare should allow a double lynching today.
On February 16 2008 18:32 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
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On February 16 2008 18:28 Tracil wrote:
...you'd rather live and lose than die and win.
That's so fucking retarded and petty. People playing like this is the lamest thing you can do. It's not like you twist your ankle playing a game of soccer and proceed to punch every other player on your team in the nuts, and then give the other team performance-enhancing drugs just because you won't be kicking any goals, to provide an exaggerated analogy.
I can understand annoyance, but just stabbing Town in the face because you don't get your way is the ultimate lameness.
I think that's justified when your teammates are the ones who take your ankle and proceed to put you out of commission.
Sounds petty to me. Essentially you are saying even though your teammates are knocking you out of the race/game/whatever, you would rather watch them go down in flames, just because you can't be alive and win? That is extremely selfish imho, and to me it sounds like you never wanted the town to win, even when Shallow posted that PM, in all your defense, you continually tried to defend yourself, and then you voted for fakesteve, who by the graces didn't lynch you in the first place, and you still lived to day 2 because the mafia didn't target you (which could mean you are mafia, or they knew we would lynch you, so didn't bother killing you).
And now, you still continue your defense, this time saying you have information of mafioso for 100% guarantee and won't help your team out? Honestly I pretty sure people will be happy that you are lynched because of your bad attitude, rather than suspecting you being mafia. It's a game, and you are getting more worked up that people are lynching you in a game because of decent to good evidence against you, and rather than try and point to people who have more evidence than yourself, you just proceed to sit there and boast how you have information and won't post it unless you live.
On February 17 2008 09:24 ulszz wrote:
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On February 17 2008 02:21 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
I think you're getting a wrong lead on me. I believe clues lie within the way of the killing was made. The killing of mahnini mentions a needle and a strange substance. So i think the killing was made by
Dr. Dragoon. Why?
if you've read some of the posts mahnini made, there is some evidence pointing Dr.Dragoon as a suspcious character. Even though many people pointed him as mafioso, most did not bring up any evidence. Mahnini was one of the few. Since he didnt post too much i think he was trying to protect himself.
Dr.Dragoon could take some heat off him by killing one of his accusers that actually had evidence.
By the way, at the beggining of the game i thought Dr.Dragoon was indeed a townie, but he was just way too stupid. So maybe he'd be alive if he didnt argue as much as he did, all he did was bring so much attention to him. After a few pages, he become as much of a suspect of mafia. He hasnt brought any clues to any other guy that is mafia. Maybe because he's dead and wont give away a teammate?
Tracil, i voted for SMB because at the beggining of the game, you seemed like really helpful, but after reading L2W posts, i become suspicious of you trying to fool everybody into trusting you, so i could not risk voting you for mayor if you were mafia. SMB seems more like a politician and i thought he was safe.
I also am suspicious of fakesteve, because his first lynch was just aimed with revenge. Mafia behaviour is likely. Accuser with evidence -> Dead. However, i dont think that if fakesteve was mafia, he'd let them target one of his bodyguards.
L2W was providing very insightful clues, so i figured out he might die to a mafia attack, so i tried to encourage a paramedic to watch him.
Also, about the two mafias hitting on one person is not true. There were two mafias, but two targets as well.
Some of the tkillings seems so random. I wonder why they were killed. At the moment, im unable to find more clues. Thats my defense i guess.
I vote for Dr. Dragoon to be lynched.
I urge you guys to read what nightmare said here. He votes to lynch Dr. Dragoon. At the moment the double lynch is towards him and Dr. Dragoon. These leads me to belive that one of them is not mafioso. Why would a fellow mafioso vote to lynch another mafioso? Furthermore he actually says why don't the mods just ban Dr. Dragoon. I'm not saying nightmare isn't mafioso, he very may well be, but Dr. Dragoon may be innocent.
He could very well see that he is mafia and dragoon is innocent, or that they both are mafia, and he would rather sacrifice 1 mafia to live (which is smart). If they are both townies, then we have to review the clues that pointed to them and find others that fit the bill of clues.
Edit: my second vote is to lynch RtS)Night[Mare
On February 18 2008 07:58 chicken` wrote:
we should lynch alventenie, he's awfully quiet!
just because i don't talk at night doesn't mean that I am quiet. I posted multiple times during the day for lynchings, albeit i failed at getting them right.
"He started walking forward to do just that when his opponent violently kicked him in the chest sending him rolling down the stairs," - someone really likes kicking people in the chest (this is the 3rd night in a row someone has done that)
"Yogurt made his way to one of the exits at the bottom of the theater where two men stood in his way, one dressed strangely and the other with purpose in his eyes." - Dressed strangely, while not a repeat of any clues, it could also be a link to the bow from the beginning night.
"He spun around to retreat but he was knocked down and felt the cold piercing stab of a needle in his back." - Another needle, someone likes to play with poisons
"He was almost at the other bottom exit when he was met by a very unusual sight. A man with a knife smiling back at him. He gleefully stabbed Wizard in the stomach and left him to die as he backed up to the door to guard it once more." - Someone who wants to kill his opponents quickly, doesn't give them time to react/fight back?
"Behind him Seraphim came to a sudden stop after seeing this and turned quickly around to get away but someone was there to stop him. Seraphim jumped to the left, to the right, and back trying everything he could to get past this man but he met every move with speed and grace." - this mafia seems dexterous, possibly an athlete or person's name that refers to quick speeds
"When finally Seraphim decided violence would be the best bet here, and proceeded to strike the man only to have his blow countered viciously in the side of his chest with a small bat. The blow was enough to cause massive internal bleeding and if the man hadn't followed up with a brutal blow to the head Seraphim would have died anyway." - this person also doesn't fight fair lol.
"The man reached down and twisted Hittegods neck, killing him instantly." - Another neck breaking, someone is a strong guy out there :x
" "Its sad when a noble heart loses strength" said the mafia as he stabbed Puosu in the heart." - hmm, possibly looking down upon an elder, or someone of respected status, possibly linked to the mafia who scolded the others in the beginning night.
On February 19 2008 14:02 Caller wrote:
As for the kicking incident:
What kind of thing can't punch people? A Chicken.
edit: i would recommend that fakesteve do a double lynching today. Blues are dropping like flies and bodyguards may come next.
i agree with the chicken part, he randomly accused me, even though their is no evidence against me, or that even points to me. From my part that seems like he is just picking someone he knows that isn't mafia, because he knows them all. We can already see that he has clues that are loosely pointed at him.
I encourage another double lynch as well, and my first vote goes to Live2win, because of the multitude of the other reasons stated by caller.
On February 19 2008 14:06 randombum wrote:
Caller, your theory is great and all, but to my recollection didn't live2win say "say yes to stims" AFTER the first syringe clue?
not sure, but even still, its his quote now, and the clue applies to it vaguely, but he has more evidence than just that one to point to live2win.
A) a mafia, and he is covering up for you
B) a bodyguard, and possibly getting yourself murdered tonight for it =/
Night 1, i asked if i could see how many mafia voted for a mayor candidate, but was told i could not find that answer, so i used one of the clues of a strangely dressed man/bowing clue to see if it related to artofmagic, and got answered a no. Now remember, each clue can point to various people, so im pretty much guessing as who i would believe fit that role, since they're 71 people day/night 1, that means i have to see if a clue fits for all 71 people, which, when given up to 13 clues, is alot of clues.
Day/night 2, i asked if someone tossing in there sleep was related to RtS)Night[Mare, but i didnt wait for chuiu to respond before posting the clue, and thus got him lynched for no reason.
Day/night 3, This is where it gets interesting, instead of asking a clue as i had no idea who to link to clues, i decided to see how many mafia lynched FakeSteve. Here is the list of people who voted for FS:
FakeSteve[TPR] - 11
Out of all these people, ONE, yes ONE, was mafia. That means 10 townies lynched our mayor, and since this night happened:
Chicken`, Aeppelet both died, and are townies. but that means we know more people who are townies to not let them become lynch victims, and one of those are mafia, although im willing to spare 1 mafia to keep 8 townies alive for now.
So, that is what i have done the last 3 day/nights. I asked Live2Win to protect me tonight, but nobody targeted me (as i did not receive a pm if he protected me successfully, so im assuming i was not targeted) I am going to use my day/night 4 role later to determine more information, but we need to rule out people that we know are townies.
8 of the above are townies, i am a townie, and the remaining list is as follows:
14. dancefayedance!~ - voted for FS
16. CDRdude - voted for FS
22. dinmsab - voted for FS
38. Live2Win - voted for FS
51. ZBiR - voted for FS
57. Southlight - voted for FS
60. demonic_phate - voted for FS
69. Romance_us - voted for FS
70. to miss the mark
all the people who voted for fakesteve are a 7/8 possibility to be towny, 1/8 to be mafia (also, the elder that voted is unkown, but it isnt one of those 8).
Ok, now that ive posted that, and my role is known, im fairly certain that i will die tonight by mafia, and hopefully not by lynching.
to begin looking at the clues, i will start back at day 1, when people campaigned for mayor. I am assuming the mafia wanted a mafia in the mayor/pardoner position, and seeing as how we've lynched both the other mayor, and the 2nd runner up to mayor, who both flipped town, im going to presume tracil is mafia. Why you ask?
Well, here are some points:
He didn't like fakesteve, complained about his campaigning method, and when steve won, tracil said he wouldn't pardon anyone, meaning a lynch is almost always better than no lynch. He also didnt save fakesteve, which would of helped the town, alot, since we are now down 4 votes per day, AND 2 double lynches. We haven't targeted any mafia with our lynches! therefore we won't know if he has inconsistant behavior when we try to lynch mafia compared to townies.
With this nights clues, i believe here are some people to consider:
Unforgiven_ve: i believe he killed mini moose, because he was unforgiving in that he continued to stab mini moose, as well as his photo in his signature is a pink stuffed rabbit.
randombum: We have had clues towards him the entire game, muddy boots, kicking, and now we have him coming out of a bush, We haven't even attempted to lynch him yet, and i believe we have more than ample clues to lynch him now, or have a case to lynch him. Also, if that wasn't him in the bushes, possibly a vigilante, there was mud in the hallway as well, another clue to someone who isnt clean (a bum)
To miss the mark: Many shots fired that missed JeeJee?
Valentine: Honestly, im going for this one because its just TOO obvious, Valenties day, the season itself, and then a refreshing floral scent in jeejee's nose before dieing? a Rose scent possibly?
Empyrean: going out on a limb here for this one, but the strong man says "You will respect my friend here, he serves a greater purpose" after wurm spits in his face. Empyrean's sig says Dogma: I am God. refrence, possibly, but cant rule it out.
goldenkrnboi: #1 light hater, again, this is the 4th time we have seen the no lights situation, we are in a CELLAR, which is known for being dark, and normally has little light at all.
I will read more about clues/posts, but hopefully this will allow people to think more for themselves, rather than let tracil lead them on, because so far tracil has led us to lynch 3 townies
edit: i guess it isnt clear, i only get to ask ONE question per day/night cycle, so i dont have an infinite amount of questions i can ask, just 1 /edit
and honestly, day 1 and 2, there were 71, and 64 people respectively, to which i could link upwards of 7-13 clues per night, thats alot of clues and people!, my chances of finding a mafia of getting the clue right, AND the person right are slim.
Unforgiven: Even though you changed your avatar, Chuiu said a clue pertains to a person based on their posts/profile/name/etc, so if it was there before Chuiu started to make clues for this last night ending, it can be used as a clue.
I honestly dont think i will live through tonight, so even though im active, i dont think it will last long.
I also believe that all of the townies should vote, regardless of if the person being lynched is garunteed to be lynched or not, people will vote for anyone, and if we are all voting we can find out more of who is mafia/townies. We can't see who is a townie if you dont vote at all.
1) Lynch Tracil, I believe he is mafia, but i am not 100% sure. I am saying this because i am assuming a huge amount that a mafia would want to be mayor, so people would vote for a fellow mafia to become mayor (obviously not all of them voted though, since some that have died are townies and tracil didnt receive more than 13 votes). The second reason i have is that if he IS mafia, and will pardon mafia, then we would be wasting a lynch if we try to lynch a mafia, or wasting a lynch if we lynch tracil and he is townie. All i know though, is that we dont need pardons anymore, because if we lynch any more townies past today, the game will be pretty much impossible to win.
2) Lynch a mafia that has an obvious clue. I suggest to miss the mark, because it is the most OBVIOUS clue there is. Dr.Dragoon said it, Chuiu is handing us mafia, and he's right! there are completely obvious clues in that passage and we still are ignoring them. If tracil pardons to miss the mark because he is mafia then tracil would have a hard time saying he isnt mafia.
After the lynching today, both vigilantes have to do their best in killing mafia targets, and paramedics saving those who we think are going to be targets of the mafia, otherwise we are just prolonging the inevitable.