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Steve, if you plan to use double lynches every day until you run out, I would be far more hesitant about accusing you and depriving town of that power; I already am, really, but I'm going to say what I think anyway. To wit, you have not stated any particular course of action you intend to take with them.
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Dr. Dragoon... seriously. How can I come to any conclusion but 'one of Dragoon and Shallow is scum'? If you flip town, I fully intend to persue Shallow. But... well.
Falcynn Said
Not entirely true, Shallows picture depicted you as being careless and being a bit foolish. So by trying to act like an oaf after Shallows post, many people probably began to suspect that there's a good chance that you really did send the PM. I actually do believe that people would've jumped on the bandwagon and accused you anyways, but if you would've tried to be more casual you might've had a better chance of getting away.
That puts it best, really, as to why I think you're a better bet than Shallow.
Man, think about how you'd react if it was someone else in that PM box. Someone you didn't know for sure was an alignment either way. I would have had a lot more respect for your arguments if they weren't punctuated with insults.
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Town lynches townies all the time. If they do, it either means some townies have dropped the ball, but it doesn't necessarily mean that anyone is a complete moron. What it does do is spread suspicion.
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On February 13 2008 16:32 Falcynn wrote:
ok, it was a drastic understatement, but my point is still valid.
You say that if I took a more casual approach, then I would have had a slightly better chance, but I probably would have been screwed anyways. Well, I'm still alive, so I think I did pretty good. I don't think anyone actively following the thread would have thought I'd make it past the first lynch.
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On February 13 2008 16:37 Tracil wrote:
Man, think about how you'd react if it was someone else in that PM box. Someone you didn't know for sure was an alignment either way. I would have had a lot more respect for your arguments if they weren't punctuated with insults.
Well, I'd act differently because I know that Shallow likes to make silly pictures accusing people. If it were two complete strangers, I doubt I'd really believe the PM to be real, but I'd want the person lynched anyways to take attention away from myself.
About the insults, I get tired being civil after 30 or so pages of nobody believing me. The clues don't indicate me, Shallow's accusation of me doesn't even sound serious, and there's the whole PM format problem.
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On February 13 2008 16:37 Tracil wrote:Steve, if you plan to use double lynches every day until you run out, I would be far more hesitant about accusing you and depriving town of that power; I already am, really, but I'm going to say what I think anyway. To wit, you have not stated any particular course of action you intend to take with them. <-> Dr. Dragoon... seriously. How can I come to any conclusion but 'one of Dragoon and Shallow is scum'? If you flip town, I fully intend to persue Shallow. But... well. Show nested quote +Falcynn Said
Not entirely true, Shallows picture depicted you as being careless and being a bit foolish. So by trying to act like an oaf after Shallows post, many people probably began to suspect that there's a good chance that you really did send the PM. I actually do believe that people would've jumped on the bandwagon and accused you anyways, but if you would've tried to be more casual you might've had a better chance of getting away. That puts it best, really, as to why I think you're a better bet than Shallow. Man, think about how you'd react if it was someone else in that PM box. Someone you didn't know for sure was an alignment either way. I would have had a lot more respect for your arguments if they weren't punctuated with insults.
you don't need to know when i'll use the double lynches
rest assured i'll use them appropriately to accomplish my own goals, but as long as you don't know what those goals are i'm unkillable
the only people who do know for sure what those goals are, are mafia
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In all honesty, I'd be inclined to lynch Shallow before Dr.Dragoon. I have a hard time anyone on TeamLiquid would indict themselves like that. If this were bghers.com, I'd go with dragoon, but I think (hope) we're better than that.
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On February 13 2008 16:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2008 16:37 Tracil wrote:Steve, if you plan to use double lynches every day until you run out, I would be far more hesitant about accusing you and depriving town of that power; I already am, really, but I'm going to say what I think anyway. To wit, you have not stated any particular course of action you intend to take with them. <-> Dr. Dragoon... seriously. How can I come to any conclusion but 'one of Dragoon and Shallow is scum'? If you flip town, I fully intend to persue Shallow. But... well. Falcynn Said
Not entirely true, Shallows picture depicted you as being careless and being a bit foolish. So by trying to act like an oaf after Shallows post, many people probably began to suspect that there's a good chance that you really did send the PM. I actually do believe that people would've jumped on the bandwagon and accused you anyways, but if you would've tried to be more casual you might've had a better chance of getting away. That puts it best, really, as to why I think you're a better bet than Shallow. Man, think about how you'd react if it was someone else in that PM box. Someone you didn't know for sure was an alignment either way. I would have had a lot more respect for your arguments if they weren't punctuated with insults. you don't need to know when i'll use the double lynches rest assured i'll use them appropriately to accomplish my own goals, but as long as you don't know what those goals are i'm unkillable the only people who do know for sure what those goals are, are mafia
Wait. Your goals are secret. Townies do not know your goals. However, the mafia does.
Uh, the only reason the mafia would know what your goals are and townies wouldn't would be.. because.. you.. are.. mafia and colluding with them.
Also, should your goals not be the same as everyone elses, i.e. *killing scum*?
'Unkillable' my ass, I'm voting for you as soon as day breaks. It's not worth leaving you in a position of power if you're going to rely entirely on your rank to keep you above the rope, and then rely on voodoo bullshit 'secret' plans to supposedly out the mafia.
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On February 13 2008 16:49 Tracil wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2008 16:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On February 13 2008 16:37 Tracil wrote:Steve, if you plan to use double lynches every day until you run out, I would be far more hesitant about accusing you and depriving town of that power; I already am, really, but I'm going to say what I think anyway. To wit, you have not stated any particular course of action you intend to take with them. <-> Dr. Dragoon... seriously. How can I come to any conclusion but 'one of Dragoon and Shallow is scum'? If you flip town, I fully intend to persue Shallow. But... well. Falcynn Said
Not entirely true, Shallows picture depicted you as being careless and being a bit foolish. So by trying to act like an oaf after Shallows post, many people probably began to suspect that there's a good chance that you really did send the PM. I actually do believe that people would've jumped on the bandwagon and accused you anyways, but if you would've tried to be more casual you might've had a better chance of getting away. That puts it best, really, as to why I think you're a better bet than Shallow. Man, think about how you'd react if it was someone else in that PM box. Someone you didn't know for sure was an alignment either way. I would have had a lot more respect for your arguments if they weren't punctuated with insults. you don't need to know when i'll use the double lynches rest assured i'll use them appropriately to accomplish my own goals, but as long as you don't know what those goals are i'm unkillable the only people who do know for sure what those goals are, are mafia Wait. Your goals are secret. Townies do not know your goals. However, the mafia does. Uh, the only reason the mafia would know what your goals are and townies wouldn't would be.. because.. you.. are.. mafia and colluding with them. Also, should your goals not be the same as everyone elses, i.e. *killing scum*? 'Unkillable' my ass, I'm voting for you as soon as day breaks. It's not worth leaving you in a position of power if you're going to rely entirely on your rank to keep you above the rope, and then rely on voodoo bullshit 'secret' plans to supposedly out the mafia.
The reason the mafia know my goals is that they know whether or not I'm mafia. Therefore, they know who I'm trying to kill. This is an inevitable truth.
If I'm not in the mafia, they know I'm trying to kill them. This ambiguity serves as a way to keep my methods of discovering them secret, as well as preserving my own hide. I don't know who is who, but the mafia do. But, I have a plan to find out, and this is part of it.
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This is pretty interesting. It's undeniable that by my actions, its impossible to tell which side I'm on.
So, despite that, you'll vote for me to be lynched as soon as possible. You shouldn't have any idea where my alliegance lies... unless you know something I don't. Considering what I've said, what does that mean?
Ladies and gentlemen, do we have our first mobster on our hands?
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Ngh. I see. Sort of. Ugh. I shouldn't be so hasty. @_@
I'll wait and see for now, I guess; I want to find out who dies overnight before rattling off other thoughts on the thread. I admit I'm being a bit overzealous on the 'don't keep secrets' front, apologies for that, there are good reasons to at times, even for town.
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In Eddie we trust. I believe FakeSteve is the perfect man for the job! Can't wait for the night post, when will it be up? Guess there'll be nothing going on while i'm at work once again :< stupid timezones!
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Shallow what program did you use to save your image and if paint what windows version?
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its still too early to draw any specific conclusions about anyone, tracil.
however, if you dont need to draw conclusions because they are already given to you via mafia list, then it would be reasonable to accuse someone of being something.
saying you would without a doubt vote for a coup this early in the game is pretty damning evidence of being mafia, if you ask me.
tracil, you are looking very suspicious right now.
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man, this game is eating up my life already, haha
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Zapling, I kinda backed off from Steve somewhat. I realised I was being hasty, and saw more in one of his posts than was actually there.
However, if I think he is acting in a scummy fashion, I will call him out on it. It's not like I haven't had reasons to be suspicious. I think everyone ignores the fact that I have reasons to act the way I do, and just goes 'oh no Tracil is trying to get people lynched'. I'm making educated guesses. Please try to understand.
We should all understand that we will never be totally sure whether or not someone is mafia barring detectives finding something out (which, by the by, we cannot count or rely on actually happening.) Despite that, I am not going to make arguments and clarify each and every one with 'but I might be wrong' or any of that. When I make assertations, it's because I believe them, and I'm trying to get other people to understand why.
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I vote to lynch Dragoon, as I think a person's initial response is the most indicative, particularly on the internet, than any subsequent, well-thought-out response. His first response was "nooooooooo" and then a mess of blubbering, which then transformed into a more rational response... but that's hours past the screenshot. As opposed to Shallow, who immediately jumped to a rational response. Maybe it was all a scheming by Shallow, thus resulting in his more prepared, rational response, but we'll find out soon enough, hey?
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The point is, why even make assertions, specifically against one of the major players right now, so early in the game? It would be much more benificial to just lay low for a while, wouldnt it? Or are you already afraid of losing majority for the lynching votes to the mafia?
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It is not beneficial to lay low, and in fact I am always scared of losing the majority of lynching votes to the mafia. It will not take very long, in fact, for them to make up numbers- not with seven kills per night. We have to do everything we can to try and catch them in order to curb their rampage.
What do you suggest? Staying silent? How does that help town? Is it not better to speak and be heard, and let your actions and voice prove your alignment? We learn more about people by two things in this game; the clues the mod drops (which are unreliable), and what they *say*. If we are passive- and in fact, if passivity is encouraged- it becomes very difficult to distinguish one townie from another. We'll wind up having no basis for lynches at all in future days. It's better for us to get started now.
I'd like to hear why you think laying low is a superior option; really, when you get down to it, mafia is a game of discussion and debate. Without that debate, what do we have?
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*kneels before fakesteve* oh great fakesteve, i am your most loyal servant, your trustworthy townie one man army. only eddie succeeds you in awesomeness. praise you, my lord.
may i, in all humbleness, propose to lynch dr.dragoon as fast as possible?
you may call me wormtail
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Hmm. Alright, Dr. Dragoon. Let's put it this way.
If Shallow fesses up and says that the picture actually WAS a joke, I'll reconsider my position. Fair is fair.
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